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On ‎6‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 2:53 PM, Evan Marshall said:

the names of the actual gunmen is relatively useless unless you know who hired them. I've felt from the very beginning if you know the why, you'll know the who-the plotters were.

 

You are right.  William Harvey was tasked with that job.  I'm sure QJ/WIN was part of the selection process as well.

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On ‎6‎/‎20‎/‎2018 at 11:00 PM, Paul Brancato said:

Rich - I never asked you to reveal your sources. I asked you, as others have, to name the shooter. You’re the one who claimed you knew his identity. I did however, say that you cannot garner respect by claiming you have inside information. You have deflected from the real question, which is not how you know what you claim to know, but precisely WHAT you claim to know. How can you on one hand claim you are here to mutually examine with sympathetic minds the truth of Dealey Plaza, while on the other hand say you know something we don’t? You withhold that information and then say you are going elsewhere (you’ve said that previously too on another thread) where you think you ill find another place where people will treat you more kindly. That’s a fantasy. You’re the one who said you were once employed by the CIA, showing us proof of that, and then followed that up by saying once CIA always CIA. 

I communicated with you directly, and found you unable to respond in kind. I did read your bio before I questioned you. I never accused you of lying. I  just tried to hold you to account. If you have something to share, share it. If you want respect tnreat us with respect. 

 

Let me explain it again.  My father listened into telephone conversations between LBJ and his attorneys as well as J. Edgar Hoover.  Prior to this, my father was a very happy, easy going guy.  We have home movies of him acting down-right silly, smiling and horsing around.  After he heard (by accident) who shot JFK, he became the most serious person I ever met.  He would always say to us, "Keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut."  I don't know what precipitated the next event in our lives but a family moved in across the street and the man was a CIA officer.  His name is Ricardo Paz Treviño and you can read about him here...http://www.griffincap.com/english/bios.html

He quickly befriended my father as his wife became best friends with my mother.  His job was to find out what my father knew and to see if he could keep his mouth shut.  After 2 1/2 years of this, Mr. Paz gave the CIA the green light concerning my father and my father quickly shot-up to eventually become the President and CEO of Southwestern Bell Telephone Company, and Vice Chairman and CFO of SBC (the parent company).

E. Howard Hunt's death bed confession was genuine.  LBJ passed the idea of Executive Action to his attorney Edward Clark.  Clark agreed to the idea so LBJ contacted Cord Meyer.  Cord Meyer recruited David Morales as well as Bill Harvey.  Bill Harvey recruited David Atlee Phillips.  Bear in mind that Robert Kennedy got into a colossal stand-off with Bill Harvey and his self-insertion into the Bay of Pigs fiasco.  The outcome was that Bill Harvey was put out to pasture in Rome, Italy.

Harvey offered the contract to kill Kennedy to Christian David, the leader of the Corsican heroin network in South America.  David refused the contract but Lucien Sarti accepted it.  Sarti recruited Francois Chiappe, Jean-Paul Angeletti and Jean Soutre.  A safe house was set-up in Maryland and Chiappe, Angeletti and Soutre were flown to the safe house, Sarti made his way into the the US via Mexico.  

If you want to know who delivered the final head shot, you are looking for two names because one hit JFK's head from behind while the other, almost simultaneously hit from the front.  The shot from the back the hit Kennedy was delivered by Charles Nicoletti and the last shot to the head came from the Grassy Knoll.  The shooter was Lucien Sarti. 

Of the four Corsicans, three vanished from the face of the earth after being escorted to a private plane at a Dallas area airfield about 2:30 on the afternoon of November 22.  They were accompanied by (redacted) and were informed they would be flown first to (redacted) where the pilot, (redacted) was based.  They climbed into a two-engine aircraft and never seen again.  They were flown back to the safe house in Maryland where they were murdered, cut-up and used in crab traps as bait.

Lucien Sarti, the man who fired at Kennedy from nearly point blank range and blew out the presidential brains, decided to work his way back to Marseilles on his own.  For some unknown reason, he took a commercial bus to Mexico, and from there he ended up in Barcelona, Spain.  All that is known of him is the name he used on his passport:  (redacted).

In a Russian report on the matter it reads..."It is understood that the actual assassins were subsequently removed in a wet action but that one apparently escaped and has been the object of intense searches in France and Italy by elements of the CIA.   In April 1972, Sarti was shot to death in Mexico City during a raid of a drug trafficking ring by the Mexican federal police.

You can thank Richard Nixon for locating and having Sarti killed in his "War on Drugs" policy he spoke of one year prior.

 

 

 

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56 minutes ago, Rich Pope said:

Let me explain it again.  My father listened into telephone conversations between LBJ and his attorneys as well as J. Edgar Hoover.  Prior to this, my father was a very happy, easy going guy.  We have home movies of him acting down-right silly, smiling and horsing around.  After he heard (by accident) who shot JFK, he became the most serious person I ever met.  He would always say to us, "Keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut."  I don't know what precipitated the next event in our lives but a family moved in across the street and the man was a CIA officer.  His name is Ricardo Paz Treviño and you can read about him here...http://www.griffincap.com/english/bios.html

He quickly befriended my father as his wife became best friends with my mother.  His job was to find out what my father knew and to see if he could keep his mouth shut.  After 2 1/2 years of this, Mr. Paz gave the CIA the green light concerning my father and my father quickly shot-up to eventually become the President and CEO of Southwestern Bell Telephone Company, and Vice Chairman and CFO of SBC (the parent company).

E. Howard Hunt's death bed confession was genuine.  LBJ passed the idea of Executive Action to his attorney Edward Clark.  Clark agreed to the idea so LBJ contacted Cord Meyer.  Cord Meyer recruited David Morales as well as Bill Harvey.  Bill Harvey recruited David Atlee Phillips.  Bear in mind that Robert Kennedy got into a colossal stand-off with Bill Harvey and his self-insertion into the Bay of Pigs fiasco.  The outcome was that Bill Harvey was put out to pasture in Rome, Italy.

Harvey offered the contract to kill Kennedy to Christian David, the leader of the Corsican heroin network in South America.  David refused the contract but Lucien Sarti accepted it.  Sarti recruited Francois Chiappe, Jean-Paul Angeletti and Jean Soutre.  A safe house was set-up in Maryland and Chiappe, Angeletti and Soutre were flown to the safe house, Sarti made his way into the the US via Mexico.  

If you want to know who delivered the final head shot, you are looking for two names because one hit JFK's head from behind while the other, almost simultaneously hit from the front.  The shot from the back the hit Kennedy was delivered by Charles Nicoletti and the last shot to the head came from the Grassy Knoll.  The shooter was Lucien Sarti. 

Of the four Corsicans, three vanished from the face of the earth after being escorted to a private plane at a Dallas area airfield about 2:30 on the afternoon of November 22.  They were accompanied by (redacted) and were informed they would be flown first to (redacted) where the pilot, (redacted) was based.  They climbed into a two-engine aircraft and never seen again.  They were flown back to the safe house in Maryland where they were murdered, cut-up and used in crab traps as bait.

Lucien Sarti, the man who fired at Kennedy from nearly point blank range and blew out the presidential brains, decided to work his way back to Marseilles on his own.  For some unknown reason, he took a commercial bus to Mexico, and from there he ended up in Barcelona, Spain.  All that is known of him is the name he used on his passport:  (redacted).

In a Russian report on the matter it reads..."It is understood that the actual assassins were subsequently removed in a wet action but that one apparently escaped and has been the object of intense searches in France and Italy by elements of the CIA.   In April 1972, Sarti was shot to death in Mexico City during a raid of a drug trafficking ring by the Mexican federal police.

You can thank Richard Nixon for locating and having Sarti killed in his "War on Drugs" policy he spoke of one year prior.

 

 

 

Did you ever read my JFK trading cards? Anyway, thanks for sharing that story. 

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11 hours ago, Rich Pope said:

Let me explain it again.  My father listened into telephone conversations between LBJ and his attorneys as well as J. Edgar Hoover.  Prior to this, my father was a very happy, easy going guy.  We have home movies of him acting down-right silly, smiling and horsing around.  After he heard (by accident) who shot JFK, he became the most serious person I ever met.  He would always say to us, "Keep your eyes and ears open and your mouth shut."  I don't know what precipitated the next event in our lives but a family moved in across the street and the man was a CIA officer.  His name is Ricardo Paz Treviño and you can read about him here...http://www.griffincap.com/english/bios.html

He quickly befriended my father as his wife became best friends with my mother.  His job was to find out what my father knew and to see if he could keep his mouth shut.  After 2 1/2 years of this, Mr. Paz gave the CIA the green light concerning my father and my father quickly shot-up to eventually become the President and CEO of Southwestern Bell Telephone Company, and Vice Chairman and CFO of SBC (the parent company).

E. Howard Hunt's death bed confession was genuine.  LBJ passed the idea of Executive Action to his attorney Edward Clark.  Clark agreed to the idea so LBJ contacted Cord Meyer.  Cord Meyer recruited David Morales as well as Bill Harvey.  Bill Harvey recruited David Atlee Phillips.  Bear in mind that Robert Kennedy got into a colossal stand-off with Bill Harvey and his self-insertion into the Bay of Pigs fiasco.  The outcome was that Bill Harvey was put out to pasture in Rome, Italy.

Harvey offered the contract to kill Kennedy to Christian David, the leader of the Corsican heroin network in South America.  David refused the contract but Lucien Sarti accepted it.  Sarti recruited Francois Chiappe, Jean-Paul Angeletti and Jean Soutre.  A safe house was set-up in Maryland and Chiappe, Angeletti and Soutre were flown to the safe house, Sarti made his way into the the US via Mexico.  

If you want to know who delivered the final head shot, you are looking for two names because one hit JFK's head from behind while the other, almost simultaneously hit from the front.  The shot from the back the hit Kennedy was delivered by Charles Nicoletti and the last shot to the head came from the Grassy Knoll.  The shooter was Lucien Sarti. 

Of the four Corsicans, three vanished from the face of the earth after being escorted to a private plane at a Dallas area airfield about 2:30 on the afternoon of November 22.  They were accompanied by (redacted) and were informed they would be flown first to (redacted) where the pilot, (redacted) was based.  They climbed into a two-engine aircraft and never seen again.  They were flown back to the safe house in Maryland where they were murdered, cut-up and used in crab traps as bait.

Lucien Sarti, the man who fired at Kennedy from nearly point blank range and blew out the presidential brains, decided to work his way back to Marseilles on his own.  For some unknown reason, he took a commercial bus to Mexico, and from there he ended up in Barcelona, Spain.  All that is known of him is the name he used on his passport:  (redacted).

In a Russian report on the matter it reads..."It is understood that the actual assassins were subsequently removed in a wet action but that one apparently escaped and has been the object of intense searches in France and Italy by elements of the CIA.   In April 1972, Sarti was shot to death in Mexico City during a raid of a drug trafficking ring by the Mexican federal police.

You can thank Richard Nixon for locating and having Sarti killed in his "War on Drugs" policy he spoke of one year prior.

 

 

 

Rich, I am trying to understand what I am reading. The first two paragraphs, italicized, are written in the first person. The rest is not written in the first person. Are you the author of the above? Are the redactions yours? Do you know what names are hidden by the redactions?

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I've been hearing names bandied about for decades without any evidence that they actually had any skill with a rifle. As Ruby showed, any slug-with police assistance-can jam a gun in somebody's gut and  pull the trigger, but do you really want to be bet on some one who's never hit an animated targets that is moving in a vehicle?

As I tried to get the feds to understand that I trained for 5 1/2 years that the guy with the AK 47 and suicide vest is hardly going to be some one who included in the long term planning of ISIS.

Professional hit men? Met a few Mafia members with such responsibilities and one South African. Unlike the fictional writers frantic  delusional scribbling about muscular dudes from Delta or one of the Seal Teams that have beautiful woman following them around, this guy looked like an elementary school teacher, but he was the real deal. Rhodesian SAS, Selous Scouts, and African Reconnaissance Commando and no I'm not going to mention his name or anybody else.

As I said I'm not collecting dues or charging admission and having satisfied my own curiosity I'm content to read others opinions. A bud in 22 SAS commented that who the men were actually pulled the triggers, they're back home raising a crop and playing with their kids and grandkids.

Steely eyed killers? Don't make me laugh! We had one guy in my dept that had been involved in 24 fatal shootings and you would have passed him by without a second glance.

The point is that there were no Mafia members at the autopsy or on the Warren Comission and besides having the EXPERIENCE AND SKILLS, the ability to lead a long and normal life without ever telling anyone is critical too.

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11 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Did you ever read my JFK trading cards? Anyway, thanks for sharing that story. 

Paul,

No, I haven't.  Where can I read them?

Rich

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20 minutes ago, Michael Clark said:

Rich, I am trying to understand what I am reading. The first two paragraphs, italicized, are written in the first person. The rest is not written in the first person. Are you the author of the above? Are the redactions yours? Do you know what names are hidden by the redactions?

The first two paragraphs were written by me, just from memory.    The rest is taken from what I wrote down in my notes so I wouldn't forget them.

Yes, the redactions are mine and yes, I know that names of the people who are redacted.

Rich

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1 hour ago, Rich Pope said:

Paul,

No, I haven't.  Where can I read them?

Rich

Coup D’Etat - the Assassination of JFK trading cards. Maybe EBay. Only mentioned because one of the 36 cards is Sarti. Written about 1990, would certainly change things if I rewrote them now. Btw Souetre is the correct spelling as far as I know.

your story of the change in your father is interesting and must have been difficult. 

I think some of the names provided by David have been proven impossible. But I don’t discount outsourced assassins or Harvey at all.

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I'm sorry, but no amount of assurances or protestation will get me to accept Charles Nicoletti as one of the riflemen.

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5 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:
5 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Coup D’Etat - the Assassination of JFK trading cards. Maybe EBay. Only mentioned because one of the 36 cards is Sarti. Written about 1990, would certainly change things if I rewrote them now. Btw Souetre is the correct spelling as far as I know.

your story of the change in your father is interesting and must have been difficult. 

I think some of the names provided by David have been proven impossible. But I don’t discount outsourced assassins or Harvey at all.

. Maybe EBay. Only mentioned because one of the 36 cards is Sarti. Written about 1990, would certainly change things if I rewrote them now. Btw Souetre is the correct spelling as far as I know.

your story of the change in your father is interesting and must have been difficult. 

I think some of the names provided by David have been proven impossible. But I don’t discount outsourced assassins or Harvey at all.

What "David" are you speaking about?  What names have been discounted?  Also, I did find your cards on ebay and bought them.

Rich

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5 hours ago, David Andrews said:

I'm sorry, but no amount of assurances or protestation will get me to accept Charles Nicoletti as one of the riflemen.

Why not?  Nicoletti was a Giancana hit man.  I mean, that was his JOB for crying out loud.  Johnny Roselli backs-up the research that claims Roselli was a shooter from the 3rd floor of the Dal-Tex Building.  If he didn't have anything to do with the assassination, why was he murdered in Chicago right before he was supposed to appear before the Select House Committee on Assassinations?  The Mafia code of silence would have prevented Nicoletti from implicating others but what if he wanted to just come out and confess his role in the shooting?  There's no code against that.

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Again waiting for evidence of any rifle skills and talk to any big city homicide dick about "Mafia Silence",  It's a joke.

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5 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Coup D’Etat - the Assassination of JFK trading cards. Maybe EBay. Only mentioned because one of the 36 cards is Sarti. Written about 1990, would certainly change things if I rewrote them now. Btw Souetre is the correct spelling as far as I know.

your story of the change in your father is interesting and must have been difficult. 

I think some of the names provided by David have been proven impossible. But I don’t discount outsourced assassins or Harvey at all.

Paul,

It's not that it was difficult but it was odd at the same time.  My father had the reputation in the corporate world as someone you didn't xxxx with.  But when he came home from work, he would take-off his suit and lay on the couch watching tv.  Ed Whitacre the former CEO of AT&T and General Motors had this to say about my father in his book, American Turnaround Reinventing AT&T and GM and the Way We Do Business in the USA."  "Another great boss was Bob Pope...Bob was not what you'd call a "people person," but he was a very astute observer  of people and particularly corporate politics...Bob was an engineer by training, but his real talent was problem solving:  He could dissect a problem faster, and cleaner, than just about anybody I've ever met...Part of being a good boss means you have to be firm, but fair...Being firm doesn't mean you bully people or treat them disrespectfully.  Bob could be a very tough taskmaster--he had pretty high standards.  But he was fair with his people."  

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7 minutes ago, Evan Marshall said:

Again waiting for evidence of any rifle skills and talk to any big city homicide dick about "Mafia Silence",  It's a joke.

The very fact that the CIA and the Mafia worked together in those days is proof enough of the Mafia's assassination skills.  The way it worked is that assassinations done inside of the United States was taken care of by the Mob and anything outside of the nation was done by the CIA.  Mob lawyer Frank Ragano wrote a book , Mob Lawyer, in which he shared that at lunch on July 23, 1963 Hoffa told Ragano, "something has to be done...The time has come to kill John F. Kenney."  On the Monday following the assassination, Ragano was in Jimmy Hoffa's office in Washington, D.C.  As the meeting broke up, Hoffa pulled Ragano to one side.  "I told you they would do it," he said,.  "I'll never forget what Carlos and Santo did for me."  Santo was seventy-three years old and on his death bed.  He confessed to Ragano, "We shouldn't have killed JFK.  We should have killed Bobby."

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7 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

If you want to know who delivered the final head shot, you are looking for two names because one hit JFK's head from behind while the other, almost simultaneously hit from the front.  The shot from the back the hit Kennedy was delivered by Charles Nicoletti and the last shot to the head came from the Grassy Knoll.

Rich, this is all you offer on Nicoletti. You don't even have this statement couched in one of your redacted sources. You are not claiming that you got this from your CIA experience or sources. You don't say that it came from your father or his neighbor. You are just providing speculation that has been offered before.  Nicoletti would have been way to highly connected to try to carry a rifle into the Dal-Tex, try to get out, withoud being seen and without risking bringing a world of hurt down on the Mafia. It is ludicrous to offer this without providing anything more to stem incredulity.

And your reply to David....

32 minutes ago, Rich Pope said:

Why not?  Nicoletti was a Giancana hit man.  I mean, that was his JOB for crying out loud.  Johnny Roselli backs-up the research that claims Roselli was a shooter from the 3rd floor of the Dal-Tex Building.  If he didn't have anything to do with the assassination, why was he murdered in Chicago right before he was supposed to appear before the Select House Committee on Assassinations?  The Mafia code of silence would have prevented Nicoletti from implicating others but what if he wanted to just come out and confess his role in the shooting?  There's no code against that.

... is brimming with logical fallacies and non-sequitors. As a man who claims to have a number of college degrees you must know the weakness of your arguments and, also, that, on this forum, you are dealing with intelligent people who can see straight through your claims.

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