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Talk about a great cliffhanger whilst reading documents.....can anyone shed any light on what those "high level" individuals showed Weiss that "scared the sh*t" out of him??I am referring to the document produced by the ARRB titled "Intial Conversation With Stephan Weiss Of The 112th M/I Group" and am absolutely curious but definitely understand that he most likely never, ever revealed it to anyone :(...According to the documents, what scared him was info relating to the Warren Commission (I assume from his use of "WC"). Thanks to Uncle Malcolm and Barto, document can be found here:

http://www.prayer-man.com/gifts-from-uncle-malcolm-part-6/

 

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This is absolutely fascinating and I lost just a teenie bit of sleep just wondering what in the hell could it have been....I couldn't find any topics concerning Weiss here so I thought this could server as one for sure and if one is ever officially created of him, this can be merged. Great small set of documents on Weiss and the 112th.

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Has Malcolm verified that he really was a Lt. in the 112th and if so where was he stationed?  I know the ARRB interviewed a number of officers out of the Dallas office and I think Amarillo as well as the headquarters.  Certainly they went to considerable length to locate and interview former members so if he was on record they should have been looking for him after this correspondence even though his information doesn't appear to actually have anything to do with that organization or 1963.  His Army service record should have been available to them.

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2 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

Has Malcolm verified that he really was a Lt. in the 112th and if so where was he stationed?  I know the ARRB interviewed a number of officers out of the Dallas office and I think Amarillo as well as the headquarters.  Certainly they went to considerable length to locate and interview former members so if he was on record they should have been looking for him after this correspondence even though his information doesn't appear to actually have anything to do with that organization or 1963.  His Army service record should have been available to them.

It’s amazing to me that Crichton and the 488th MID is never mentioned in all this. But about the 112th, Colonel Robert Jones was shown to be lying about his position. That’s huge in my opinion. Steve Thomas and I found out that he was officially commanding a Unit in Germany in 1962-63. Where is his bio info? There is more secrecy surrounding Military Intelligence units than CIA. I’m hoping that Bill Simpich has dug up something about DPD detectives and local military intelligence units.

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4 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

Has Malcolm verified that he really was a Lt. in the 112th and if so where was he stationed?  I know the ARRB interviewed a number of officers out of the Dallas office and I think Amarillo as well as the headquarters.  Certainly they went to considerable length to locate and interview former members so if he was on record they should have been looking for him after this correspondence even though his information doesn't appear to actually have anything to do with that organization or 1963.  His Army service record should have been available to them.

Larry,

 

I'm not 100% sure this is the same unit, but I think it is:

HEADQUARTERS 112TH MILITARY INTELLIGENCE BRIGADE

https://history.army.mil/html/books/060/60-13-1/cmhPub_60-13-1.pdf

pp. 222-223

 

LINEAGE:

(inactive)

Constituted 10 May 1946 in the Army of the United States as the 112th Counter Intelligence Corps Detachment. Activated 21 May 1946 at Dallas, Texas. Allotted 26 February 1951 to the Regular Army. Re-designated 1 August 1957 as the ll2th Counter Intelligence Corps Group. Re-designated 25 July 1961 as the 112th Intelligence Corps Group. Re-designated 15 October 1966 as the ll2th Military Intelligence Group. Inactivated 30 June 1974 at Fort Sam Houston, Texas. Re-designated 1 July 1987 as Headquarters, 112th Military Intelligence Brigade; concurrently transferred to the United States Army Training and Doctrine Command and activated at Fort Devens, Massachusetts. Inactivated 30 January 1993 at Fort Devens, Massachusetts.

 

Steve Thomas

 

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That's the same unit Steve,  in 1963 the unit was regional and headquartered at Fort Sam Houston but with offices around Texas and in New Mexico and Louisiana as well.  One of the reasons for that was that it was tasked with doing  background checks on both Army and civilian personnel employed by the Army and that covered a lot of territory.  That's also one of the reasons personnel were authorized civilian apparel for some activities.

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9 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:

That's the same unit Steve, 

Larry,

 

That being the case, here's their coat of arms:

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Steve Thomas

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22 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

Larry,

 

That being the case, here's their coat of arms:

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Steve Thomas

I think the 11th's shoulder patch is cooler.

 

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PS: And completely off-topic:

Who is Mike Flynn?

"Flynn served as the Assistant Chief of Staff, G2, XVIII Airborne Corps at Fort Bragg, North Carolina from June 2001 and the Director of Intelligence, Joint Task Force 180 in Afghanistan until July, 2002. He commanded the 111th Military Intelligence Brigade from June 2002 to June 2004, and was director of intelligence for Joint Special Operations Command from July 2004 to June 2007..."

http://www.allgov.com/news/appointments-and-resignations/director-of-the-defense-intelligence-agency-who-is-michael-flynn?news=844368

 

Steve Thomas

Edited by Steve Thomas

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Larry I am not sure if Malcolm ever verified if Weiss was a Lt. in the 112th. Investigating that would probably reveal newer leads.

Edited by B. A. Copeland

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“It was the end of an era… or was it?

The 112th began its existence way back in 1946 as the 112th Counter Intelligence Corps detachment in Dallas, Texas and was assigned to the Fourth Army. At the time, the detachment consisted of 16 officers, six warrant officers, and 26 enlisted men.”

https://www.army.mil/article/118745/112th_mi_brigade_inactivated_29_january_1993

 

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On 9/4/2018 at 3:38 PM, Steve Thomas said:

“It was the end of an era… or was it?

The 112th began its existence way back in 1946 as the 112th Counter Intelligence Corps detachment in Dallas, Texas and was assigned to the Fourth Army. At the time, the detachment consisted of 16 officers, six warrant officers, and 26 enlisted men.”

https://www.army.mil/article/118745/112th_mi_brigade_inactivated_29_january_1993

 

Steve Thomas

Obituary posting by Jeff Wentworth September 23, 2014

San Antonio, TX.

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/jones-belcher-obituary?pid=172521142

 

“Jim Belcher was a civilian working for the US Army in Region II HQs of the 112th Intelligence Corps Group in Dallas, Texas, for the two years that I was assigned to that HQs office (from 1963-l965). He was a meticulous supervisor to all the US Army counterintelligence agents in Dallas who were conducting background investigations on active duty military personnel who were being considered for Top Secret security clearances due to their need for access to classified information.”

 

Obituary posting by Ann and James Markiewicz September 22, 2014

New Braunfels, TX

https://www.legacy.com/obituaries/name/jones-belcher-obituary?pid=172521142

 

“Please accept our condolences and sincere sympathy for the loss of our friend who always remembered us with thoughtful cards, and his joyful presence. We knew him through our association with the Army Counterintelligence units of which he was a member.”

 

Steve Thomas

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On 8/31/2018 at 3:39 PM, Steve Thomas said:

HEADQUARTERS 112TH MILITARY INTELLIGENCE BRIGADE

https://history.army.mil/html/books/060/60-13-1/cmhPub_60-13-1.pdf

pp. 222-223

 

LINEAGE:

(inactive)

Constituted 10 May 1946 in the Army of the United States as the 112th Counter Intelligence Corps Detachment. Activated 21 May 1946 at Dallas, Texas. Allotted 26 February 1951 to the Regular Army. Re-designated 1 August 1957 as the ll2th Counter Intelligence Corps Group. Re-designated 25 July 1961 as the 112th Intelligence Corps Group.

Steve Thomas

 

See:

http://www.cultor.org/Documents/Baia%20dei%20Porci/NSC9.pdf

pp. 14-27

Especially pp. 18+

Region I   112th Intelligence Corps Group, San Antonio, TX

“Cuban Officer Training Program”

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

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14 hours ago, Steve Thomas said:

See:

http://www.cultor.org/Documents/Baia%20dei%20Porci/NSC9.pdf

pp. 14-27

Especially pp. 18+

Region I   112th Intelligence Corps Group, San Antonio, TX

“Cuban Officer Training Program”

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

Very juicy. Will dig down soon...

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Oh, now this is interesting:

http://brinvest.ch/2017/11/a-look-at-new-jfk-documents-and-new-thoughts-on-fletcher-prouty-on-the-ochelli-effect-mike-swanson-10312017/

 

Subject: Interview with William McKinney (Colonel)
Body: CALL REPORT: PUBLIC Document’s Author: Christopher Barger/ARRB Date Created: 05/02/97

 

"However, he (McKinney) said that when he reported to the 316th in January 1964, he found that “there were still people who were upset…angry…or just unhappy, that the 112th… had been told that perimeter security wasn’t needed by them.” (Col. McKinney wasn't in Dallas, or even in Texas in November, 1963.)

 

https://www.army.mil/article/118745/112th_mi_brigade_inactivated_29_january_1993

The 112th changed names a few times after that, becoming the 112th Counter Intelligence Corps Group in 1957, the 112th Intelligence Corps Group in 1961, and the 112th Military Intelligence Group in 1966.

 

112th Military Intelligence Group

https://army.togetherweserved.com/army/servlet/tws.webapp.WebApp?cmd=PublicUnitProfile&type=Unit&ID=66135

Members who served in this unit:

 

  • Albrecht, Kenneth, CW3,(1969-1989)

  • Magnanelli, Frank, SP 5,(1967-1970)

  • Mason, Edward, SPC,(1986-1996)

  • Niedenfuehr, Richard, SSG,(1967-1971)

  • Norton, Larry, CPT,(1970-1971)

  • Ogan, Dexter, SGT,(1967-1970)

  • Rosario, Ruben, CW3,(1966-1991)

  • Teetz, Robert, MSG,(1960-1980)

  • Woodings, Michael (Mike), LTC,(1966-1996)

 

   

McKinney, Henry, MSG

Service Details:

 

Current Service Status
USA Retired

Current/Last Rank
Master Sergeant

Current/Last Service Branch
Military Intelligence

Current/Last Primary MOS
97B-Counterintelligence Agent

Current/Last MOS Group
Military Intelligence (Enlisted)

Primary Unit
1990-1992, 97B, 650th Military Intelligence Group

Previously Held MOS
97B-Counter Intelligence Agent

Service Years
1964 - 1992

(father and son? uncle and nephew?)

Steve Thomas

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The King Alfred Plan and the 112th Military Intelligence Group'

March 28, 2011

http://coldcaseupdate.blogspot.com/2011/03/king-alfred-plan-and-112th-military.html

SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS Friday, February 26, 1971
By ALICE MURPHY

"If Military Intelligence is maintaining a card file on all members of the First Unitarian Church of San Antonio, Church President Glenn Grimes said members have nothing to hide. He said Unitarians are individually controversial and some have taken part in "peaceful demonstrations."

The possibility of such a card file came up when Houston State Rep. Curtis Graves told a Congressional committee Thursday he learned from Walter Birdwell, a former agent of the 112th Military Intelligence Group in San Antonio, that he had not only been a snooping target himself for the past 10 years, but the 112th MI Group had a "card file on every member of the Unitarian Church in San Antonio."

Major Stephen Weiss, public information officer for the 112th, said he had been advised, politely, to have all calls on the matter referred to the Information Office of the Department of the Army in Washington, and gave two telephone numbers there. Neither answered Thursday evening."

 

Steve Thomas

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