Who Hated JFK in 1963?

[François Carlier]

1 hour ago, David Andrews said:

Robert had a jailhouse conversation with Lee.  Nobody imagines those to be "intimate."

"Brother, you won't find the truth in there."

OK, it was not "intimate", according to your definition of the word and I can accept that. But at least you'll admit they were speaking to each other just the two of them and Robert was able to look into his brother's eyes.

[Mathias Baumann]

19 hours ago, François Carlier said:

Sir, thank you for your answer. OK, in order to try not to get lost in the different directions or the amount of information, let’s stick to specific items.
Let’s focus on the number of shots, please.
I had asked you this : « Let me ask you a precise question : how many shots were fired that day ? I say three. How many, according to you ? »
Your answer to me is (I quote) : « So as many as 5 shots may have been fired in total. »
Then, may I ask :
-why do you think that only four of the five shots were « heard » on the dictabelt and spotted by the Weiss & Aschkenasy team ?
- how is it that people who are supposedly experts on the Kennedy assassination, such as Robert Groden, talk about six, seven, and even more shots ? How is it possible ? I mean, supposedly the acoustics evidence shows four shots. Then you say five. And other conspiracy believers say six or seven. I mean, there’s a problem, somewhere, wouldn’t you think ?

Well, first of all you have to keep in mind that what the researchers found were sonic shock waves that occur when a bullet breaks the sound barrier. So they wouldn't have found a bullet that traveled below the speed of sound, such as a small caliber bullet.

Secondly, in the reenactment they only test fired rifles from the book depository and the grassy knoll, not from, say, the County Records Building. Without material to compare them to it was not possible to positively identify other sound events as rifle shots.

But 4 shots is enough to show there was a conspiracy.

[Ron Bulman]

10 hours ago, Mathias Baumann said:

Well, first of all you have to keep in mind that what the researchers found were sonic shock waves that occur when a bullet breaks the sound barrier. So they wouldn't have found a bullet that traveled below the speed of sound, such as a small caliber bullet.

Secondly, in the reenactment they only test fired rifles from the book depository and the grassy knoll, not from, say, the County Records Building. Without material to compare them to it was not possible to positively identify other sound events as rifle shots.

But 4 shots is enough to show there was a conspiracy.

Hmm.  Four shot's on the dictabelt breaking the sound barrier, but Blakey said he could only sell three.  One to JFK's back to the right of the third thoracic vertebrate that went in only a inch and fell out on somebody else's stretcher.  At least one to JFK's head.  At least one hit Connally.  One missed and a shard hit Tague.  But first a small caliber entry wound in JFK's throat as Dr. Perry said that afternoon, below the sound barrier, the first shot multiple people thought was a firecracker.  That's five.

If there was a corresponding head shot, more than one hit Connally, or, another miss... Six.

[Mathias Baumann]

On ‎11‎/‎15‎/‎2018 at 4:48 AM, Ron Bulman said:

But first a small caliber entry wound in JFK's throat as Dr. Perry said that afternoon, below the sound barrier, the first shot multiple people thought was a firecracker.  That's five.

But the shot from the front (the grassy knoll) was found on the Dictabelt - so it was a high-powered, supersonic bullet. That is not consistent with what the doctors at Parkland Hospital found, is it?

[Ron Bulman]

1 hour ago, Mathias Baumann said:

But the shot from the front (the grassy knoll) was found on the Dictabelt - so it was a high-powered, supersonic bullet. That is not consistent with what the doctors at Parkland Hospital found, is it?

Yes.  JMO, there were two shots from the front.  First, small caliber, sub supersonic, not on the dictabelt, to the throat, the "first shot" "firecracker" sound heard by multiple witnesses.  Second, head shot, high caliber.

[François Carlier]

On ‎11‎/‎17‎/‎2018 at 5:35 PM, Mathias Baumann said:

But the shot from the front (the grassy knoll) was found on the Dictabelt - so it was a high-powered, supersonic bullet. That is not consistent with what the doctors at Parkland Hospital found, is it?

(Sorry, I was away for some time.)

You MUST watch this very interesting video :

Charles Rader - the acoustic evidence

(please listen to him carefully)

Edited November 23, 2018 by François Carlier
correction

[Jake Hammond]

35 minutes ago, Rich Pope said:

The better question is....Who didn't hate JFK?

Sorry to be obtuse but did JFK also hate JFK. ? 

Had he thought ( perhaps subconciously)  that by martyring himself he could achieve  more long term. I mean ..., his presidential actions were a mixed bag at best and he was a serial cheat, on a few different medications and had a pretty dodgy back . Did he have a sort of morbid wish for all this ? He just seems to have been incredibly maverick with who he pissed off  and the inferences he made in speaches.

just a thought.  

[Jake Hammond]

On 11/17/2018 at 4:35 PM, Mathias Baumann said:

But the shot from the front (the grassy knoll) was found on the Dictabelt - so it was a high-powered, supersonic bullet. That is not consistent with what the doctors at Parkland Hospital found, is it?

What do you think of officer Mclain’s interviews. He calmly laughs it off and explains it all. Also the Bill Decker statement which is known to have come later ... seems debunked to me and pretty flimsy to start with. 

 

[Joe Bauer]

We have a police tape recording of Joseph Milteer talking about specifics in plans to assassinate Kennedy just 13 days before Dallas on 11,22,1963.

Milteer described to police informant plant Willie Somersett these incredibly accurate predictive specifics:

That Kennedy's killing plan was currently operational "it is in the working" and included getting him ( JFK ) "with a high powered rifle from an office building" ... and this last remarkably accurate prediction statement... that after such a shooting of JFK ... "they will pick someone up within hours afterwards ( one individual ) to throw the public off."

Milteer wasn't some poor, little and on his own nobody .  He was very well off and highly connected and involved with other JFK  hating segregationist individuals and groups through out the South.

The fact that a very large city police department would take the time and effort to plan and carry out such an involved covert, secret meeting taping of this one man tells you they took this man to be a serious threat in trying to kill the president.

Just mentioning this documented reality to highlight the fact that many JFK haters ( groups and individuals ) did hate him to this ultimate degree.

 

Edited December 27, 2018 by Joe Bauer

[Ron Ecker]

Gerry Patrick Hemming said, "You had so many people planning the Kennedy thing, it was bound to happen."

 

 

[Joe Bauer]

15 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

We have a police tape recording of Joseph Milteer talking about specifics in plans to assassinate Kennedy just 13 days before Dallas on 11,22,1963.

Milteer described to police informant plant Willie Somersett these incredibly accurate predictive specifics:

That Kennedy's killing plan was currently operational "it is in the working" and included getting him ( JFK ) "with a high powered rifle from an office building" ... and this last remarkably accurate prediction statement... that after such a shooting of JFK ... "they will pick someone up within hours afterwards ( one individual ) to throw the public off."

Milteer wasn't some poor, little and on his own nobody .  He was very well off and highly connected and involved with other JFK  hating segregationist individuals and groups through out the South.

The fact that a very large city police department would take the time and effort to plan and carry out such an involved covert, secret meeting taping of this one man tells you they took this man to be a serious threat in trying to kill the president.

Just mentioning this documented reality to highlight the fact that many JFK haters ( groups and individuals ) did hate him to this ultimate degree.

 

You'd have thought the FBI and SS would have HAMMERED Milteer. 

Even taken him into custody.

Here they have a major city police department tape recording of a known and serious JFK threat individual describing the JFK murder "exactly as it played out" and "just 13 days before "..and they don't think this guy is worth grabbing and grilling for at least 2 or 3 days?

Anyone would have jumped on Milteer's recorded "it's in the working" comments to Somersett to find out what this involved and who was involved in it.

Milteer's detailed JFK killing method prediction would be considered way too close to real knowledge versus some simple boasting coincidence by any highly trained and competent police agency investigators. Especially considering the crime was one of the most important in our history.

But, according to agent Don Adam's account, his agency basically downplayed Milteer and didn't seriously investigate him.

The retired Miami police officer directly involved with the undercover Milteer JFK killing taping ( Detective Everette Kay) was obviously upset by this non-action as shown in his interview in the documentary " The Men Who Killed Kennedy."

Edited December 27, 2018 by Joe Bauer

[James DiEugenio]

I have said this before.  According to Don Thomas, the acoustics experts found five shots, and Blakey said he could only sell four.

 

According to John Newman, by the end of 1962, everyone hated Kennedy.  Everyone.  This is why he was implementing so much stuff through his brother.

[Robert Card]

Jesuit Father, ArchBishop Cardinal Francis Spellman.  Couldn't have JFK interfering in Cardinal Spellys War.

BTW, only the Black Pope could sign off on the killing of a U.S. President.

Lincoln, too, and possibly some others.

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Not much info available on the President Carter assassination attempt.   I think they just sent him a message, as it's really messy taking someone out JFK/Nixon style.  They had Obama tied down with the phony birth certificate , so if he stepped off the reservation, they could've had him out in 24 hours, no questions asked.   Trump is tied down with some questionable loans he has out there, again, gone in 24 hours if need be.

Naval officers like Carter really hated Israel because of the USS Liberty debacle.   Admiral Morrison was closest to the Liberty,  and his flat top loaded with fighters ready to take off and pound those Israelis, but John McCain Sr., head of naval operations for Nato, nixed it.  Admiral Morrison continuously called for air strikes and condemnation of Israel, and was making a nuisance of himself.  His son, Jim Morrison of The Doors died under mysterious circumstances.  A message?

http://www.hugequestions.com/Eric/TFC/FromOthers/Jim-Morrison-update-2016.html

But anyway, with big fanfare, an assassination attempt against President Carter occurred about 3 months after the HSCA report was released.   Nothing ever came of it, the charges were immediately dropped against the perps, Raymond Lee Harvey, and Osvaldo Espinoza Ortiz,  and just as fast as the attempt came up, it disappeared with the judge dismissing the charges.

Let's look at those names again......Raymond Lee Harvey Osvaldo Espinoza Ortiz.  Yep, Carter got the message and did an abrupt change after this, but he was still taken out with the Iran hostage crisis.

Don't mess with the nutwork.

[Joe Bauer]

Don't forget Ross Perot.

He got out near the end of his run citing security concerns for him and his family.

Perot was going to go after what he termed the biggest problem within our government.

Lobbyists,( and the real wealth power behind them ) and how they basically have our legislators in their back pockets.