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18 hours ago, Mark Knight said:

You do realize, I would hope, that the more you directly respond to DVP, the more you contribute to taking the thread off-topic.

That, I believe, is his game: to bait the original poster, and then sit back and chuckle (or perhaps guffaw) when the OP goes off-topic to respond. Then DVP responds, then the OP rebuts, and the longer this goes on, the more DVP "wins" the discussion...At least in his own mind.

You have been played. You're not the first, you won't be the last.

What in the world do you think I've been saying for the past month?  I painstakingly went through this thread and explained the first four pages until DVP showed up with his usual personal attack.   Look at how things were previous to this, they were great.

Look at the Marina thread going on right now......beautiful.   Lots of friendly posting, and they don't all agree with one another.  the attempt by FC to derail the Mexico city thread almost worked, but then he backed off.

All they have is disruption, personal attacks, and cherry picking of evidence.

To tell you the truth, I'm beginning to wonder about you in this regard.

I'm exposing them, not being played by them.

 

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This is a conversation I picked up in a dream last night.  It's weird.   It has no relation to anyone in this forum, and to no one imparticular, it's fiction, and any similarity to anyone living or dead is just a coincidence.

DVP:  Card is on to us.

FC:  I agree.

Lance:  If you had backed off like I did right in the beginning, he'd be gone, and we wouldn't be in this mess.  As soon as he mentioned the Vatican, I knew he was going to destroy our disinfo.  Why didn't you two bozos listen to me?

Jesuits of Marquette:  Yea, as soon as I saw him slap down Bugliosi, I knew we were in trouble.  Card is no dummy.  

FC:  If Card's research gets out, it can really hurt us, and destroy decades of disinfo.

DVP:  Not only that, I'd hate to lose my paycheck.

Lance:  ohmygod FC: i need the money.  DVP:  this is going to kill my retirement.

Jesuits of Marquette: SHUTUP, all of you!!   Let me think.  So who do we have in admin, anybody?

DVP:  We have a neighbor of mine, a mod that's currently defending me, as well as ridiculing Card as a dupe.

FC:  It looks a little weak.  It won't hold.  I'm just playing jester, myself.

DVP:  Card did mention that he's looking for the pictures of the limo being washed down by the Secret Service, and then he would leave.

Jesuits of Marquette:   We went through some trouble removing those from the net, I can't let Card have evidence like that.   I had to pull some strings to have them removed from Mary Ferrell.  Can you get Card banned from the site?

FC:  Not likely, the owners are CTers, and lean towards freedom of speech.

Jesuits of Marquette:  Alright, listen up.   For now, I want you to lay low, and back off, Card has basically blown the whole operation, and DVP, you dumbass, quit making the personal attacks so obvious.  Keep working on getting Card banned.  Try not make anymore mistakes, and hopefully this will blow over.

 

 

 

 

 

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4 hours ago, Robert Card said:

I realize you would have more knowledge of the nuances of inner labels, but take a look at this search page for 'cia agent'.  I think you would agree after reading it, that you would understand why a layman would say 'agent'.

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why am I only allowed 80kilobytes to post files?   is everybody like this?  that's nothing.

that search link  doesn't work, WHY????????  you'll have to do your own search on 'cia agent'.

Robert,

I understand it is a common misunderstanding.  Let me give you an example.  Let's say you are someone in Russia who I believe has information the United States would be interested in.  As an Operations Officer, I would befriend you, build-up trust with you and then flip you to give that information to me.  That makes YOU, the agent.  I'm still the Operations Officer, but the moment you give me that information and betray your country, you become an "agent" of the CIA.  Does that make sense?

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3 hours ago, Rich Pope said:

Robert,

I understand it is a common misunderstanding.  Let me give you an example.  Let's say you are someone in Russia who I believe has information the United States would be interested in.  As an Operations Officer, I would befriend you, build-up trust with you and then flip you to give that information to me.  That makes YOU, the agent.  I'm still the Operations Officer, but the moment you give me that information and betray your country, you become an "agent" of the CIA.  Does that make sense?

yes, it makes sense, a little, anyway.  what i was trying to do is to portray Jackie as a full-time employee, rather than some pretty girl with some contacts within the CIA.  So she had this camera, and was walking around asking questions, and met a lot of people in Washington.

later on, after she had more fame, she was walking down the street and this papparazzi was bothering her, so witnesses say she used some kind of judo flip, and knocked him on his ass.  wonder if she learned judo in the CIA.  pretty tough for a petite woman to knock a big guy down like that.

 

 

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11 hours ago, Robert Card said:

yes, it makes sense, a little, anyway.  what i was trying to do is to portray Jackie as a full-time employee, rather than some pretty girl with some contacts within the CIA.  So she had this camera, and was walking around asking questions, and met a lot of people in Washington.

later on, after she had more fame, she was walking down the street and this papparazzi was bothering her, so witnesses say she used some kind of judo flip, and knocked him on his ass.  wonder if she learned judo in the CIA.  pretty tough for a petite woman to knock a big guy down like that.

 

 

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It would be interesting to find out there was a 201 file opened on Jackie.  If so, then your theory has footing.

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I think it would be more telling if there was NOT a 201 file created on Jackie.

Let's take LHO.  His 201 file was not created until over a year after 'defecting' to the Soviet Union.  When interviewed by the HSCA Richard Helms admitted that anyone who defected to the Soviet Union had a 201 file opened on them.  Ann Egerter maintained the 201 file on LHO, so nothing goes in or out without her permission.  She first refused to testify before the HSCA, but then after being threatened with a subpoena, she agreed.  Her testimony is still classified to this day, so we don't know why some of the documents in LHO's 201 file are missing.

Helms appears to be baffled as  to why LHO did not have a 201 file created sooner even though the CIA knew that he threatened to divulge U-2 radar secrets.  Helms told the HSCA: “I can’t imagine why it would have taken an entire year. I am amazed.”   (haha)

So why all the mystery about LHO not having a 201 file created?  Is it because the CIA knew that LHO was not really a defector, and was not needed to be watched as he was a CIA asset?

So is there a 201 file on Jackie?  I have no idea, but if there's not one, could it mean she was a CIA asset, and not someone that needed to be watched?

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On ‎1‎/‎14‎/‎2019 at 12:40 PM, Robert Card said:

I think it would be more telling if there was NOT a 201 file created on Jackie.

Let's take LHO.  His 201 file was not created until over a year after 'defecting' to the Soviet Union.  When interviewed by the HSCA Richard Helms admitted that anyone who defected to the Soviet Union had a 201 file opened on them.  Ann Egerter maintained the 201 file on LHO, so nothing goes in or out without her permission.  She first refused to testify before the HSCA, but then after being threatened with a subpoena, she agreed.  Her testimony is still classified to this day, so we don't know why some of the documents in LHO's 201 file are missing.

Helms appears to be baffled as  to why LHO did not have a 201 file created sooner even though the CIA knew that he threatened to divulge U-2 radar secrets.  Helms told the HSCA: “I can’t imagine why it would have taken an entire year. I am amazed.”   (haha)

So why all the mystery about LHO not having a 201 file created?  Is it because the CIA knew that LHO was not really a defector, and was not needed to be watched as he was a CIA asset?

So is there a 201 file on Jackie?  I have no idea, but if there's not one, could it mean she was a CIA asset, and not someone that needed to be watched?

A 201 file is a way that spies spy on fellow spies.  If Jackie were acting as an agent for the CIA, there would be a 201 file on her.  It's simply how the agency works.

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3 hours ago, Rich Pope said:

A 201 file is a way that spies spy on fellow spies.  If Jackie were acting as an agent for the CIA, there would be a 201 file on her.  It's simply how the agency works.

Of course, she had a 201file on her, probably begun when she worked at the CIA, or at the latest, when she began her relationship with JFK.

But if she didn't have one, that would be prime proof that she worked at the CIA.  Same reason LHO didn't have one when he defected to Russia.

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4 hours ago, Rich Pope said:

A 201 file is a way that spies spy on fellow spies.  If Jackie were acting as an agent for the CIA, there would be a 201 file on her.  It's simply how the agency works.

What ?????????????????

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On 1/14/2019 at 1:39 PM, Robert Card said:

 

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A CIA Judo Flipping First Lady ... strewth ... I reckon she could have broken Jack into a thousand pieces with moves like that

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4 hours ago, Tony Krome said:

A CIA Judo Flipping First Lady ... strewth ... I reckon she could have broken Jack into a thousand pieces with moves like that

Now that you brought it up, did Jackie have anything to do with the assassination?  Gore Vidal says that Jackie was Jewish through her mother, Mrs Hugh D Auchincloss.   Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion stated in his resignation that he couldn't get along with JFK over the nuclear weapons plant at Dimona.   Did Jackie do it?  She was supposedly enraged and humiliated by his extra marital affairs.

One thing bothers me about her, you can see in all the different versions of the Zapruder film that she seems to raise something with her right hand, and it's shiny metal.  What was that?

Before this, her head is right next to JFK's as he gets his head blown off, and she doesn't seem to even bat an eyelash.

Was that shiny piece of metal a pin that opened a trap door with the real assassin in the trunk of the car?   (haha, I don't believe that.)

 

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9 minutes ago, Robert Card said:

One thing bothers me about her, you can see in all the different versions of the Zapruder film that she seems to raise something with her right hand, and it's shiny metal.  What was that?

 

My take on that is it's her right hand glove making one of those super quick movements similar to Connally as he emerges from behind the Stemmons sign. And I don't mean Judo quick, I don't believe the Z film is .... how can I say ... completely accurate ;) 

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14 hours ago, Robert Card said:

Of course, she had a 201file on her, probably begun when she worked at the CIA, or at the latest, when she began her relationship with JFK.

But if she didn't have one, that would be prime proof that she worked at the CIA.  Same reason LHO didn't have one when he defected to Russia.

LHO's defection was part of the CIA's false defector program.  Other young men "defected" to Russia as part of this program as well.  Every person who does covert activity for the CIA gets a 201 file.  If Jackie didn't have a 201 file, she wasn't spying for the CIA.  The CIA opened a 201 for LHO when he participated in the false defector program.  And of course the Soviets watched Lee's every move, all the time.  

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59 minutes ago, Rich Pope said:

 Every person who does covert activity for the CIA gets a 201 file.  

The question is not that LHO had a 201 file, as he certainly did.  The question is about the timing of when his 201 file was started.  Why did it take so long for LHO to get a 201 file when he had threatened to divulge U-2 radar secrets?  Is it because he was a CIA operative, and was already vetted?

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1 hour ago, Robert Card said:

 The question is not that LHO had a 201 file, as he certainly did.  The question is about the timing of when his 201 file was started.  Why did it take so long for LHO to get a 201 file when he had threatened to divulge U-2 radar secrets?  Is it because he was a CIA operative, and was already vetted?

It was opened in 1960.  He "defected" in October of 1959.  It didn't take a long time.  Oswald wasn't a case officer.  The interview process for that is 9 months, then you spend 6 months in training at The Farm.  A 201 file doesn't take long at all to start.

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