Bush not in Dallas- He is dead

[Cliff Varnell]

55 minutes ago, Ron Ecker said:

I tuned in to the Colbert show tonight, and saw the actor who would be perfect to play Poppy in a movie. Jeff Daniels actually looks like him (much moreso than that guy in Dealey Plaza). Unfortunately any movie about Poppy would be a total bore, since he denied everything that would make such a movie interesting.

Focus on Bush's activities on behalf of the CIA in the 50's and early 60's with Zapata Off-Shore.

Bush had a perfect opportunity to smuggle dope off his sea-borne mobile oil drilling platforms.

Treat the George DeMoh/Clemard Charles meeting in New York in the spring of '63 with Bush's right hand man Thomas Devine as an initial meeting to set up a dope smuggling operation thru Haiti.

 

[Ron Ecker]

3 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Focus on Bush's activities on behalf of the CIA in the 50's and early 60's with Zapata Off-Shore.

Bush had a perfect opportunity to smuggle dope off his sea-borne mobile oil drilling platforms.

Treat the George DeMoh/Clemard Charles meeting in New York in the spring of '63 with Bush's right hand man Thomas Devine as an initial meeting to set up a dope smuggling operation thru Haiti.

 

Poppy as a drug smuggler makes perfect sense. I wondered where that nickname came from.

 

 

[Paul Brancato]

7 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Focus on Bush's activities on behalf of the CIA in the 50's and early 60's with Zapata Off-Shore.

Bush had a perfect opportunity to smuggle dope off his sea-borne mobile oil drilling platforms.

Treat the George DeMoh/Clemard Charles meeting in New York in the spring of '63 with Bush's right hand man Thomas Devine as an initial meeting to set up a dope smuggling operation thru Haiti.

 

I don’t think you can separate dope smuggling and weapons sales. So I would look at weapons dealers and CIA proprietaries and assume the dope follows. The thread on Gene Wheaton mentions that Interarmco supplied weaponry to the CIA/anti-Castro operations. Apparently WU, as in WUBRINY-LPDICTUM, the CIA cryptonym for whatever it was that DeMohrenschildt was involved with and meeting about in NYC and DC with DUBRINY 1 and 2 (Thomas Devine and ?), refers to CIA proprietaries. Interarmco was linked to Merex, a post war Nazi run arms dealer based in Berlin. I think this links the Skorzeny Network to the anti-Castro CIA operations. 

On May 16, 1963, an unnamed CIA Officer interviewed a Cuban exile named Jose Antonio Casas Rodriguez. I posted this on a thread called Interesting Interview with a Cuban Exile (or something similar). On page 11 he mentions that someone he only knew as ‘Gonzalez’ was in contact with Otto Skorzeny in Madrid and Belgium, presumably involving weapons sales. Could this Gonzalez be Captain Eduardo Perez Gonzalez, aka Eddie Bayo of the infamous Bayo- Pawley raid? 

[Ron Ecker]

On 12/6/2018 at 3:15 AM, Ron Ecker said:

I tuned in to the Colbert show tonight, and saw the actor who would be perfect to play Poppy in a movie. Jeff Daniels actually looks like him (much moreso than that guy in Dealey Plaza). Unfortunately any movie about Poppy would be a total bore, since he denied everything that would make such a movie interesting.

 

 

Hey, how about Daniels as VP Bush teaming up with Jim Carrey as Ronald Reagan in a new version of Dumb and Dumber?

There could be a scene where Reagan is meeting with his men to plot Iran/Contra. While Reagan tries to stay awake, Bush gets up to go to the bathroom, so he can claim he was "out of the loop." Bush goes and sits on a toilet and communicates with the others at the meeting by radio. Of course those at the meeting have to listen to flushing and other sounds while they're communicating with Bush.

There could be another scene where Reagan and Bush meet with the generals to plan the great invasion of Grenada. Bush says, "If I'm ever president, what I want to do is invade Panama."

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited December 8, 2018 by Ron Ecker

[James DiEugenio]

This is a pretty decent overview of Bush considering its The Nation.

 

https://www.thenation.com/article/george-h-w-bush-icon-of-the-wasp-establishment-and-of-brutal-us-repression-in-the-third-world/

[W. Niederhut]

3 hours ago, Ron Ecker said:

Hey, how about Daniels as VP Bush teaming up with Jim Carrey as Ronald Reagan in a new version of Dumb and Dumber?

There could be a scene where Reagan is meeting with his men to plot Iran/Contra. While Reagan tries to stay awake, Bush gets up to go to the bathroom, so he can claim he was "out of the loop." Bush goes and sits on a toilet and communicates with the others at the meeting by radio. Of course those at the meeting have to listen to flushing and other sounds while they're communicating with Bush.

There could be another scene where Reagan and Bush meet with the generals to plan the great invasion of Grenada. Bush says, "If I'm ever president, what I want to do is invade Panama."

You missed your calling, Ron... 🤣

You should have been a comedy writer for SNL.

I remember watching that famous "I was out-of-the-loop" GHWB interview by Dan Rather in 1988. 

 

[Pamela Brown]

OK.  Bush 41 is buried. The gloves are off (again).  

From my personal standpoint, not only did 41 enable the invasion of Kuwait,  he sent a family member of mine who was a decorated hero from Desert Storm and was in the Air Wing, across the pond on a whim after the First Gulf War, when Saddam Hussein was not doing what 41 wanted him to.  The USS John F. Kennedy was on a training cruise and had docked in the Virgin Islands when 41 sent them out to sea with only about 4 hours notice.  Many crew members were left stranded, and the ship suffered at least three accidents that included fatalities.  It was a terrible cruise, and to my thinking, a gross abuse of power.  

Though it is, in a sense, a unifying thing to have a state funeral for a President who has lived a long, full life as 41 did, seeing all the pomp and circumstance, not to mention all the accolades, was unsettling.  The most difficult thing for me to watch was the beautiful, immaculate train that carried the casket from Houston to College Station.  It was even his train, with the number "4141'.  

Was he trying to outdo RFK's last train ride?  It certainly did not work for me.  

 

 

Edited December 9, 2018 by Pamela Brown

[W. Niederhut]

23 minutes ago, Pamela Brown said:

OK.  Bush 41 is buried. The gloves are off (again).  

From my personal standpoint, not only did 41 enable the invasion of Kuwait,  he sent a family member of mine who was a decorated hero from Desert Storm and was in the Air Wing, across the pond on a whim after the First Gulf War, when Saddam Hussein was not doing what 41 wanted him to.  The USS John F. Kennedy was on a training cruise and had docked in the Virgin Islands when 41 sent them out to sea with only about 4 hours notice.  Many crew members were left stranded, and the ship suffered at least three accidents that included fatalities.  It was a terrible cruise, and to my thinking, a gross abuse of power.  

Though it is, in a sense, a unifying thing to have a state funeral for a President who has lived a long, full life as 41 did, seeing all the pomp and circumstance, not to mention all the accolades, was unsettling.  The most difficult thing for me to watch was the beautiful, immaculate train that carried the casket from Houston to College Station.  It was even his train, with the number "4141'.  

Was he trying to outdo RFK's last train ride?  It certainly did not work for me.  

 

 

 

       There was certainly a lot of GHWB mythologizing in the mainstream media this week, and nothing in the MSM about the 1963 Hoover memo about "Mr. George Bush of the CIA," (publicized by Joseph McBride.)  Nor did I read any MSM articles about GHWB's ambassador to Iraq telling Saddam Hussein prior to the Gulf War that the U.S. would not interfere in Iraq's border disputes with Kuwait.

      Most of what I know about the real "Mr. George Bush of the CIA" comes from reading Russ Baker's book, Family of Secrets, (and Kevin Phillips' American Dynasty) and Mr. Baker published three excellent articles recently at WhoWhatWhy.org about the non-mythological GHWB history.

https://whowhatwhy.org/2018/12/03/george-h-w-bush-shaped-history-but-not-the-way-were-told/

https://whowhatwhy.org/2018/12/04/elite-secret-society-tied-bush-to-circles-of-power/

https://whowhatwhy.org/2018/12/07/bush-41-the-triumph-of-manners-over-truth/

Edited December 9, 2018 by W. Niederhut

[Ron Bulman]

I tried to ignore most of the news and week long entombment.  I figured it would be what it was, from the little I did see.  Though the Nation article did mention the Hoover - Bush memo.  I was turned off by his image years ago, before I learned anything about his history or policies.  A "Texan", thus inferring the Alamo, ridn hosses and ropin cows, western toughness, independence, etc.  He came to Texas from the East Coast Establishment with Daddy's Money after attending Yale and being a Skull and Bones member to further family interests in the oil bidness, eventually all the way to the Saudi Arabian government.  That's why he first went to the oppressive heat, winter "Norther's", and desolation of Midland/Odessa Texas, the actual production capital of Texas oil.  Then he moved to the oil processing and shipment center, as well as one of two money centers (Dallas being the other), Houston.  Ran for Congress, after all Daddy had been a Senator.  And of course they both knew Texas held 36 electoral votes, a nice start.  Daddy of course realized this as a primary early backer/sponsor/mentor of unknown first term congressman from California with 55 electoral votes Richard Tricky Dick, Nixon.

 https://www.bing.com/images/search?view=detailV2&ccid=dIU2MUBq&id=2D5F387649D6BAA828CB077769F748647EF26711&thid=OIP.dIU2MUBq4sfOw4f4SIg25gHaHa&mediaurl=http%3a%2f%2fimgc.allpostersimages.com%2fimages%2fP-473-488-90%2f67%2f6728%2fONPA100Z%2fposters%2fsenator-prescott-bush-presents-a-new-straw-hat-to-vice-president-richard-nixon.jpg&exph=473&expw=473&q=prescott+bush+richard+nizon+picture&simid=608008737275251379&selectedIndex=0&ajaxhist=0

Edited December 9, 2018 by Ron Bulman

[François Carlier]

On ‎12‎/‎6‎/‎2018 at 12:58 AM, James DiEugenio said:

Francois;

I guess you have not read my book, The JFK Assassination: The Evidence Today.

In that book I prove the actual factual basis of those accusations I made about the evidence in the Kennedy case.

For the information about CE 399 being the wrong bullet, see pgs. 88-92.

For the wrong rifle being in evidence today, see pgs.80-87.

For the brain not being Kennedy's, see pgs 160-65. 

So unless you can prove that those arguments about the evidence are wrong or false, then I see no point in debating you and I will dismiss your threats about destroying me as utter bombast, which is what your side specializes in, see Vincent Bugliosi.

Concerning Bush, as CIA Director, he did help crush the Church and Pike Committees as I have sourced here before.  He also helped assemble Team B to run to the right of the CIA on the estimates of the Soviet threat. Which turned out to be wrong.  I sourced that also.  Bush also lied about not being associated with the CIA prior to his service as Director.  Again, if you want to honor a guy like that, be my guest.  It fits your personal profile. 

I must admit that I do not own your new book.
That's funny : I have about 200 books at home on the Kennedy assassination, plus countless documents and another fifty books on the Kennedy era and American history… but I do not have YOUR last book (I do have another book by you), so you decide that I have no right to have a debate with you ????????????
OK, if you say so.
I'll buy your book in the future.
May I suggest something ? How about being humble ? How about having your book peer-reviewed ? How about having your conclusions double-checked ? How about admitting that you may be wrong and you should at least listen to those who disagree with you ? I mean, your "the-bullet-is-not-the-bullet-and-the-rifle-is-not-the-rifle-and-the-brain is not the brain" theory might sound a little farfetched to some people, wouldn't you think ?

[François Carlier]

Mundane explanations for seeming inconsistencies.
That is what most conspiracy believers don't grasp.

[Cliff Varnell]

2 hours ago, François Carlier said:

Mundane explanations for seeming inconsistencies.
That is what most conspiracy believers don't grasp.

Francios Carlier can't grasp a "mundane explanation" for JFK's T3 back wound so he makes up a big whopping lie about the movement of his own clothing.

What sort of person does that?

[Joseph McBride]

François Carlier is one of those obvious disinformation specialists

whose job is to disrupt a forum such as this by making ridiculously

untrue statements that people feel compelled to answer, thus distracting 

us from more important topics. Ignore him (as I fail to do here).

[Cory Santos]

6 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Francios Carlier can't grasp a "mundane explanation" for JFK's T3 back wound so he makes up a big whopping lie about the movement of his own clothing.

What sort of person does that?

He didn’t make it up.  Cv don’t give credit where none is due.  

[Cory Santos]

7 minutes ago, Joseph McBride said:

François Carlier is one of those obvious disinformation specialists

whose job is to disrupt a forum such as this by making ridiculously

untrue statements that people feel compelled to answer, thus distracting 

us from more important topics. Ignore him (as I fail to do here).

Correct professor. Cheerios.