Guest Tom Scully Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) A short synopsus; an Irish immigrant named John K. O'Doherty settles in River Forest, IL, via Brooklyn, NY, and eventually manages an insurance agency. He has a sister, Gladys Corser, who lives in Houston, TX and is employed by the IRS. Two or their brothers, Vincent and Eugene, do not emigrate from Ireland for a number of years. John K. eventually sponsors Vincent, who initially comes to live with John in River Forest and works for several years for a major lumber supplier there. The other brother, Eugene, is sponsored by their sister Gladys Corser in Houston, where he meets and is employed for a short time by photography studio owner Jack Nichols Payton, the head of the local John Birch chapter and a friend of General Edwin Walker. Eugene soon moves to the town in Ohio near where his brother Vincent lives. Vincent has moved from River Forest to Ohio by 1963. Vincent tells the FBI when he is contacted by them after an operator overheard a suspicious conversation conducted between Eugene in Ohio and Jack Payton in Texas, shortly after Ruby shot LHO, that Eugene had returned to Texas to work for Payton early in 1963 and had been introduced to General Walker by Payton. Vincent related that Eugene had conducted an interview of Walker approved for publication by Walker, but Eugene had yet to find a paying publisher of the Walker interview. Eugene had returned to live in Ohio a second time, just weeks prior to the shooting attempt against Walker. It also just so happened that their brother John's daughter was married in the same small RC church as Tony Accardo's daughter was, just months apart. So was the daughter of a friend of JR Willens who accompanied Willens on a 1956 trip to the Soviet Union. It also happens that Vincent O'Doherty likely sold lumber to River Forest home builder, JR Willens, a man who happened to move right next door to Tony Accardo in River Forest, and had a son, Howard, who happened to design the organizational structure of the Warren Commission, and to set and direct the WC's investigative priorities. There would have been a disincentive for Howard Willens, especially since a 1964 CIA report also described him as head of the DOJ criminal division, to insist on a thorough investigation of Eugene O'Doherty and his brothers, John and Vincent because Howard Willens probably considered it irrelevant that John O'Doherty was a parishioner of the same church as Tony Accardo, that Vincent probably knew Willens's father when Vincent was a River Forest lumber salesman, and because the detail of Willens's father moving in next door to Tony Accardo seems not even known to the CIA at that time. So, there is a reasonable possibility that there were conflicting interests at the WC blocking as thorough an investigation of Walker, Payton, and the four O'Doherty siblings and the odd telephone call between Payton and Eugene O'Doherty that had aroused a telephone operator to the extent she listened in on and then reported the call for further investigation, as might have taken place if Howard Willens had not had the WC responsibilities he later testified as having, or if the O'Dohertys had had no ties to River Forest. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=145523&relPageId=395 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=145523&relPageId=396 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=145523&relPageId=397 ...Vincent (O'Doherty) said that Eugene had not returned to Texas since coming to Columbus, Ohio. however, Eugene has called their sister, Gladys Corser, on a number of occasions.. ...Vincent said that Eugene had informed him that he had met and talked with General Walker in Walker's home in Texas. he said Eugene may have met General Walker through Peyton. Eugene, ????? between August, 1962, and April, 1963, actually interviewed General Walker, and as a result of that interview.... Links to last two pages: http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=145523&relPageId=398 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=145523&relPageId=399 Jack Nichols Payton agreed to pay for the call from Eugene O'Doherty, a man with one brother, Vincent in the lumber business in River Forest, IL, at the same time JR Willens was building a large number homes in the area, and another brother, John K. O'Doherty, who had sponsored Vincent's immigration from Ireland, lived and worked in River Forest, and was a parishioner in the same St. Luke's catholic church as Tony Accardo just happened to be. John K. O'Doherty and Tony Accardo were fathers of daughters who were both married in 1961, six months apart, in St. Luke's church.: Marriage Announcement 13 -- No Title - Chicago Tribune - Apr 30, 1961 St. Luke Catholic church, River Forest, will be the for the October of Miss Barbara Ann O'Doherty, daugh- ter of Mr. and Mrs. John K. O'Doherty, ACCARDO ASKS MOB TO PARTY - Chicago Tribune - Apr 20, 1961 The ceremony will be in St. Luke's at 528 Lathrop av., River Forest. The church is a half mile from Accardo's home at 915 Franklin av., River Fores\, ... http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=GE8_AAAAIBAJ&sjid=t1AMAAAAIBAJ&pg=3067,105327&dq=wedding+missing-cars&hl=en ['rime Syndicate Branches Out .Trace Missing Cars To... Windsor Star - May 30, 1961 And on April a wedding was held at St. Luke's Roman Catholic Church in River ... The- link between the missing autos and the marriage in River —the crime ...girl being married was Linda Lee Accardo...Police were outside the church checking on the guests. The found a surprising num- ber were driving cars missing from the Sterling-Harris auto agency on Cicero Avenue..... The federal government, operating under orders from the attorney-general, Robert P. Kennedy, formed a special prosecuting unit in Chicago last week and the Sterling_Harris case was put on the top of its agenda... (Oh, Really...."on the top of its agenda?"} Out on bail pending appeal from an income tax evasion conviction, G-Man Howard Willen's father lives next door, Richard Cain is soon to be his or Giancana's plant in the Sheriff's office, and his guests are driving extremely hot stolen cars to the church. Look at that smile, does he look like a man under siege, or a man with no worries?: http://books.google.com/books?id=p08EAAAAMBAJ&q=wedding#v=onepage&q=wedding&f=true http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62264&relPageId=159 The FBI exhibits no interest in even asking about Eugene O'Doherty's interview of Edwin Walker or in the story O'Doherty wrote about Walker, which Eugene's brother Vincent told the FBI had been approved by Walker for publication.: http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62264&relPageId=165 By 1958, wouldn't someone have to either be crazy or hooked up, to move himself and his wife into the house next door neighbor of Tony Accardo? https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=van+corbin+former+neighbor&btnG= Family Affair: Treachery, Greed, and Betrayal in the Chicago Mafia books.google.com Sam Giancana, Scott M. Burnstein - 2010 - 294 pages - Google eBook - Preview ...Specifically, close to fifteen years earlier, when Accardo was suspected to have ordered a murder contract on a man named Van Corbin. A builder, part-time thief, and former neighbor of the don, Corbin had been hired by the Accardo ... https://www.google.com/search?q=van+corbin+IRS&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a#pq=van+corbin+irs&hl=en&ds=n&cp=78&gs_id=1b&xhr=t&q=%22been+extremely+nervous+recently+because+of+his+talks+with+the+IRS+about+his*%22&tok=qlXtDQcWaQzw3Orxe7IVCg&pf=p&sclient=psy-ab&client=firefox-a&hs=8ek&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aunofficial&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&source=hp&pbx=1&oq=%22been+extremely+nervous+recently+because+of+his+talks+with+the+IRS+about+his*%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=be59eea957654fe1&biw=1280&bih=781 LINK TALKS WITH IRS IN GANG SLAYING - Chicago Tribune - Jul 21, 1966 Friends of Corbin told police he had been extremely nervous recently because of his talks with the IRS about his tax re- turns and those of people for whom had built homes. ... http://books.google.com/books?id=GFYEAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA3&dq=%22neighbor+of+accardo#v=onepage&q=%22neighbor%20of%20accardo&f=false Reunion on the gangland beat - Apr 21, 1967 - Page 3 books.google.com LIFE - Vol. 62, No. 16 - 136 pages - Magazine The Gangland Beat ....... "Don't follow the Runyonesque bit too far," says Smith. "These people are not just lovable rogues with funny nicknames. I remember one guy they killed by impaling him on a meat hook and torturing him for three days. And the neighbor who let me use his house to watch the Accardo party had his factory bombed a few days later. These people are a threat -- one the public doesn't really appreciate.".... https://www.google.com/search?q=van+corbin+IRS&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=R2P&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aunofficial&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&source=hp&q=accardo+fence+neighbor&pbx=1&oq=accardo+fence+neighbor&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=335118l335308l10l336792l5l1l0l0l0l0l313l313l3-1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=be59eea957654fe1&biw=1280&bih=781 Underworld Doss Lives In Lavish .Mar . St. Joseph News-Press - Jul 10, 1958 At one of these parties— held in 1955— reporters peering through h the fence spotted Accardo in shorts carrying on an animated conversation with his cronies ... Rackets Figure . Spokesman-Review http://www.aarclibrary.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0273a.htm CE 2094 - FBI report of interview conducted on November 25, 1963, of Jack Nicholas Payton at Bellaire, Tex. (CD 301, ...). https://www.google.com/search?q=Jack+Nichols+Payton++&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aunofficial&tbm=bks&source=hp&q=%22*Senator+from+Arizona+and+for+your+Founder%2C+Barry+Payton%22&pbx=1&oq=%22*Senator+from+Arizona+and+for+your+Founder%2C+Barry+Payton%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=15567l15567l7l16564l1l1l0l0l0l0l146l146l0.1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=460d130ed75b57e9&biw=1280&bih=781 The White book of the John Birch Society for ... books.google.com John Birch Society - 1961 - ...Sincerely, Our Youngest Honorary Member Named for the distinguished Senator from Arizona and for your Founder, Barry Payton was 4 1/2 months old when this picture was taken a month ago. He is the son of Mr. and Mrs. Jack N. Payton, of Austin, Texas, Mr. Payton being Chapter Leader of our Chapter No. 444 in that city. And, if we all do our job well enough, Barry Payton will -- as his father says live to see the day when we will have less government, more responsibility, and a much better world. (quote)http://www.joplinglobe.com/obituaries/x1910033953/Jack-Nichols-Payton June 11, 2010 Jack Nichols Payton The Joplin Globe BASTROP, TX — Jack Nichols Payton passed away on June 8, 2010, at 10:34 a.m. at the age of 91, at his home in Bastrop, Texas. He was born in Joplin, Mo., Aug. 30, 1918. He was third child of George Warren and Letha Nichols Payton. Jack graduated from Joplin High School in 1937, and attended junior college in Joplin. In 1941, Jack joined the Army before war broke out. He knew war was inevitable. Three days later he volunteered for the Army Air Corps. Jack served four years in the 8th Air Force stationed in Texas, Kansas, and England, with the 44th Bomb Group. He was a trainer and crew chief on a B-24 Liberator Bomber and flew 31 daytime missions before returning to Joplin in November 1945. Because of his war time service he was awarded the Good Conduct Medal, Air Medal with three Oak Clusters, the Distinguished Flying Cross and a Bronze Star. After the war, Jack began work as a professional photographer, developed a unique system and moved his fledgling company to Houston, Texas, where he met and married the love of his life, Nancy Mackey. They married Dec. 22, 1951, in Austin, Texas. Jack and Nancy developed a process oriented high volume photography system and founded the original baby boomer photographer business which was the concept forerunner of the baby portrait industry of today. Jack was preceded in death by his two sisters and brother, Virginia Unger, Jean Klein and George Warren Payton Jr. Jack is survived by his wife of 58 1Ž2 years and his six children, Jack Nichols Payton Jr., Patricia Butler Spiers, Baron Welch Payton, Sarah Payton Gehmann, Joseph Mackey Payton and Paul Daniel Payton. He is also survived by his 12 grandchildren,...(/quote) More, here: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18446&view=findpost&p=240539 Edited March 5, 2012 by Tom Scully Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) ... So, there is a reasonable possibility that there were conflicting interests at the WC blocking as thorough an investigation of Walker, Payton, and the four O'Doherty siblings and the odd telephone call between Payton and Eugene O'Doherty that had aroused a telephone operator to the extent she listened in on and then reported the call for further investigation, as might have taken place if Howard Willens had not had the WC responsibilities he later testified as having, or if the O'Dohertys had had no ties to River Forest. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=145523&relPageId=395 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=145523&relPageId=396 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=145523&relPageId=397 ...Vincent (O'Doherty) said that Eugene had not returned to Texas since coming to Columbus, Ohio. however, Eugene has called their sister, Gladys Corser, on a number of occasions.. ...Vincent said that Eugene had informed him that he had met and talked with General Walker in Walker's home in Texas. he said Eugene may have met General Walker through Peyton. Eugene, ????? between August, 1962, and April, 1963, actually interviewed General Walker, and as a result of that interview.... Links to last two pages: http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=145523&relPageId=398 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=145523&relPageId=399 Tom, according to the interesting FBI links you shared, EUGENE was the most radical rightist of this Irish group, and he believed in the McCarthyist line of Communists in high places in the USA, so he liked General Walker's writings on this topic, and met with Walker on occasion. I would like to see his published interview of Walker. Nevertheless, I quote from the final pages of those FBI files you shared: "EUGENE felt that Texans did not care for President KENNEDY. In addition, EUGENE had expressed the belief that President KENNEDY's trip to Texas would be a failure, but EUGENE didn't make any mention or reference to any violence in connection with that trip. VINCENT said he is sure that EUGENE didn't envision the assassination of President KENNEDY. VINCENT is quite sure that his brother EUGENE wasn't implicated in any way with the assassination of President KENNEDY and, to his knowledge, none of EUGENE O'DOHERTY's associates was implicated in any way...VINCENT has no knowledge whatever concerning the FPCC, and to his knowledge, his brother EUGENE has no knowledge or association with that group." Based on this, I would describe the O'Doherty brothers as two among ten thousand Edwin Walker fans in Texas. The Briscoe Center archives preserve many hundreds of letters of fanmail for General Walker, encouraging him in his excesses, and sending him small cash donations. Many of them were members of the John Birch Society, and many of them expressed violently hostile attitudes toward President Kennedy. Yet finding the smoking gun -- that's the problem. The phone call phrase, "good thing they got him before we were implicated" is indeed suspicious, but at the very worst it suggests a JBS connection with the JFK assassination -- a connection already implied by Jack Ruby's explicit testimony. Yet no smoking gun or further details were found by the FBI. It is interesting -- yet since it does not link Walker to Oswald or to the FPCC, what did we learn here? We learn mainly that the FBI was interested in interviewing General Walker's associates with regard to the JFK assassination. The fact that they came up with so little to give to the Warren Commission is surprising to me. Attorney Liebeler found that Walker's phone call to Germany, to Helmut Muench at 6:30am on the day after the JFK assassination, was very suspicious. This is because Muench told the FBI that Walker said that Oswald was both JFK's shooter and his own shooter on 4/10/1963. Walker -- who hated Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren, and so had no respect for the Warren Commission, blatantly lied to Liebeler, and said that the German newspaperman simply guessed out of thin air on 11/24/1963 that Oswald was the 4/10/1963 shooter, even though Marina Oswald did not tell the FBI about this until December. Around 11/25/1963, Bob Schmidt, the brother of Larrie Schmidt, confessed that he and Larrie and Oswald all three tried to kill Walker on 4/10/1963, as reported by Dick Russell (TMWKTM), and the FBI had these reports, but did nothing at all about them. The FBI never found Larrie Schmidt (to the best of my knowledge) and the Warren Commission never questioned him, either. Nobody ever heard from Larrie Schmidt ever again after the JFK assassination. Yet Dick Russell said that Larrie and General Charles Willoughby were behind the OVERSEAS WEEKLY attacks on General Walker in early 1961, causing Walker to be removed from his Command. I am keenly interested to find any connection between General Walker and radical Cuban Exiles -- or any of his attacks on the FPCC, or anybody who can connect Walker with the Cuban Exiles or the FPCC. The FBI was willing to interview random associates of General Walker -- but they never dug deep enough. I personally don't see a smoking gun with the O'Doherty brothers. Am I missing something? Best regards, --Paul Trejo Edited March 5, 2012 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 Maybe a few things but not enough to not support your hypothesis. One thing I wonder if it has been clarified. When it was said they got him who is it that they got before they could be implicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Root Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 ...If Walker was on public record before the JFK assassination, of believing that the Kennedy brothers had taken out a contract on him, and attempted to shoot him, that should have made Walker the prime suspect in the eyes of law enforcement after JFK was assassinated... Richard, I've already shared three documents from General Walker's archives that deliberately seek to link himself with Oswald and JFK. (1) I shared Walker's last known article on this topic, from November, 1991, which he claimed the DPD arrested Oswald on 4/10/1963, but RFK demanded his release that very night. (2) I shared an excerpt from a longer article from April, 1967, by Walker, which also claims that Oswald was "picked up by the law enforcement agency between 9pm and 12 midnight...He was released...The pickup was withheld from the public." (3) I shared Walker's interview with the German newspaper, Deutsche NationalZeitung, less than 24 hours after the JFK assassination. That article, published the following Sunday (11/29/1963) also claimed that Oswald was arresed for the April shooting at Walker on 4/10/1963, but was released by RFK. Tonight I'd like to share two more articles from Walker's archives on this same topic. (4) In a four page lambast of the Kennedy legacy, dated 6/12/1968, one week after the assassination of RFK, Walker as usual writes of himself in the third person: "If authority, in the hands of the Attorney General and the Justice Department, had not seen fit to free Oswald and his associates in the attempted assassination of Edwin A. Walker -- there is no reason to doubt that President John F. Kennedy and Senator Robert F. Kennedy would be alive today." (5) In 1975, Senator Frank Church's Committee proposed re-opening the JFK assassination case. In a single page, typed letter to Senator Church, dated 6/23/1975, Walker writes: "Dear Senator Church: The Warren Commission found and concluded that Lee Harvey Oswald attempted to assassinate the undersigned at his home, at 9pm on April 10, 1963. The initial and immediate investigation at the time of the incident reported two men at my home, one with a gun, seen by an eye-witness -- a neighbor. Within days I was informed by a Lieutenant on the Dallas City Police Force that Oswald was in custody by 12pm that night for questioning. He was released on higher authority than that in Dallas. There were two men, not a 'Lonely Loner.' Please inform me if the CIA was involved in this attempted assassination. Yours Sincerely, Edwin A. Walker" On his typed copy, Walker writes in his own handwriting: "No reply." So, there we observe two more examples of General Walker's curious claim that Oswald had been arrested by the DPD on April 10, 1963, and RFK demanded his release. Three newspapers (to my knowledge) repeated that tale: The Deutsche NationalZeitung on November, 29, 1963, the National Enquirer on May 17, 1964 (though they refused to name their source) and the Kerrville Daily News on January 19, 1992. I myself find nothing credible in that story -- but that is what makes me suspicious. Given that this story is an obvious fiction, why in the world would General Walker try to spread it around; not only the day after JFK was killed, but again and again, decade after decade? It seems to me that this fabrication was intended to confess and even boast about something (i.e. a direct link between Walker, Oswald and the JFK assassination), as well as to misdirect attention from something (e.g. being a conspirator) to something else (e.g. being a victim). This Big Myth by General Walker might possibly be a veiled confession. Otherwise, why in the world would he continue to push this false tale for the rest of his life -- especially since nobody in the world was paying any attention to him anymore? It's suspicious to me. Now, if somebody were to say that General Walker believed it because he was suffering from paranoid delusions (as RFK himself suspected) then that would not absolve General Walker from suspicion, rather, in my opinion it should increase our suspicions that he was capable of concealed activity such as a conspiracy. Just a theory - admittedly - but it continues to intrigue me. Best regards, --Paul Trejo Paul I wish I easily find posts that I formally made on this site that deal with some of the research you have done and the theories you suggest. Without that at my fingertips I will try to review some of the information that I have gathered 1) Walker was traveling in Europe at the same time that Oswald defected to the Soviet Union via Helsinki, Finland. I have shown how they could have been on the same plane at the same time during this travel which could explain why the Warren Commission Report neglected to "share" the passenger lists that were available at the time of the inquiry into the death of the President. We know that the day prior to Oswald's arrival in Helsinki, the American Ambassador had sent a note to the State Department that outlined what a person would need to do to receive a visa into the Soviet Union within 24 hours....Oswald followed these instructions....did someone provide the information to him? If someone (Walker) did and as a result the Paris summit failed (as Oswald talked about at Spring Hill College) could Oswald have believed that the man who provided him with the information necessary to enter the Soviet Union was a man who did not want peace between the two countries (just as Oswald was reputed to have said about Walker)achieved? 2) I have identified several specific missions that Walker led during WWII that were of special interest to John J. McCloy and carried a very heavy level intelligence importance. (Capture of the Radar installation on the Island of Kiska, movement of Nazi loot from Merkers Mine, Operation Stella Polars). Not to mention his selection by General Maxwell Taylor to handle the prisoner exchange at the end of the Korean War, the First Straits of Taiwan Crisis and Little Rock, Arkansas integration of school (Walker was very well connected and I doubt seriously if he was a complete idiot). 3) Walker's troubles with the publication of the Overseas Weekly article and the assignment of a female reporter to investigate the allegations about Walker's Pro Blue Program began just after, if you believe Oswald, Oswald's first letter requesting to be allowed to return to the US. To myself it makes sense that IF Oswald wanted to return to the US and Walker could be identified by Oswald as the man who had provided him with the information necessary to enter the Soviet Union (and IF Oswald had provided information that helped down a U-2 thus scuttling the Paris Summit) the political assassination of Walker may have been a must. Pro Blue had been up and running for years prior to the Overseas Weekly article. 4) How did the German publication know that Walker was staying at the Captain Shreve Hotel in Shereveport, LA the morning after the assassination? IF Walker recognized Oswald from the news about the assassination of Kennedy and IF Walker recognized Oswald as the young man he had given information too in 1959 I believe it is not a great leap to understand why Walker would want to distance himself from Oswald and may have realized that it could have been Oswald who had taken a shot at him in April. I can also understand why Walker would continue to beleive and continue to suggest that there were people in Washington who would have known that it was a good chance that it was Oswald that did in fact shoot at him and that those same people did not arrest or prosecute Oswald (perhaps because it may have blown the covert activities that Oswald had been involved in with or without his own knowledge). 5) If you look at the time line, as you suggest, the monitoring of Oswald's movements begin shortly after the assassination attempt on the life of General Walker. Agent Hosty suggests that the event that led to the monitoring of Oswald (passing out pro Castro leaflets in Dallas) never took place. IF Hosty is right then the monitoring of Oswald was began because of some other reason that, since Richard Helms would be receiving the reports on Oswald's movement" was of interest to the CIA.... such as the assassiantion attempt on Walker. 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Paul Trejo Posted March 5, 2012 Share Posted March 5, 2012 (edited) Paul I wish I easily find posts that I formally made on this site that deal with some of the research you have done and the theories you suggest. Without that at my fingertips I will try to review some of the information that I have gathered 1) Walker was traveling in Europe at the same time that Oswald defected to the Soviet Union via Helsinki, Finland. I have shown how they could have been on the same plane at the same time during this travel which could explain why the Warren Commission Report neglected to "share" the passenger lists that were available at the time of the inquiry into the death of the President. We know that the day prior to Oswald's arrival in Helsinki, the American Ambassador had sent a note to the State Department that outlined what a person would need to do to receive a visa into the Soviet Union within 24 hours....Oswald followed these instructions....did someone provide the information to him? If someone (Walker) did and as a result the Paris summit failed (as Oswald talked about at Spring Hill College) could Oswald have believed that the man who provided him with the information necessary to enter the Soviet Union was a man who did not want peace between the two countries (just as Oswald was reputed to have said about Walker)achieved? 2) I have identified several specific missions that Walker led during WWII that were of special interest to John J. McCloy and carried a very heavy level intelligence importance. (Capture of the Radar installation on the Island of Kiska, movement of Nazi loot from Merkers Mine, Operation Stella Polars). Not to mention his selection by General Maxwell Taylor to handle the prisoner exchange at the end of the Korean War, the First Straits of Taiwan Crisis and Little Rock, Arkansas integration of school (Walker was very well connected and I doubt seriously if he was a complete idiot). 3) Walker's troubles with the publication of the Overseas Weekly article and the assignment of a female reporter to investigate the allegations about Walker's Pro Blue Program began just after, if you believe Oswald, Oswald's first letter requesting to be allowed to return to the US. To myself it makes sense that IF Oswald wanted to return to the US and Walker could be identified by Oswald as the man who had provided him with the information necessary to enter the Soviet Union (and IF Oswald had provided information that helped down a U-2 thus scuttling the Paris Summit) the political assassination of Walker may have been a must. Pro Blue had been up and running for years prior to the Overseas Weekly article. 4) How did the German publication know that Walker was staying at the Captain Shreve Hotel in Shereveport, LA the morning after the assassination? IF Walker recognized Oswald from the news about the assassination of Kennedy and IF Walker recognized Oswald as the young man he had given information too in 1959 I believe it is not a great leap to understand why Walker would want to distance himself from Oswald and may have realized that it could have been Oswald who had taken a shot at him in April. I can also understand why Walker would continue to beleive and continue to suggest that there were people in Washington who would have known that it was a good chance that it was Oswald that did in fact shoot at him and that those same people did not arrest or prosecute Oswald (perhaps because it may have blown the covert activities that Oswald had been involved in with or without his own knowledge). 5) If you look at the time line, as you suggest, the monitoring of Oswald's movements begin shortly after the assassination attempt on the life of General Walker. Agent Hosty suggests that the event that led to the monitoring of Oswald (passing out pro Castro leaflets in Dallas) never took place. IF Hosty is right then the monitoring of Oswald was began because of some other reason that, since Richard Helms would be receiving the reports on Oswald's movement" was of interest to the CIA.... such as the assassiantion attempt on Walker. Just thoughts, Jim Root Jim, What a number of interesting approaches to the Walker-Oswald puzzle. I'm only beginning my research into this mess, but I believe I can contribute something to the discussion because I have access to the Briscoe Center for American History, which recently released its Edwin Walker Collection. With the timeline I have garnered so far, and with my impressions from covering about half of the 80 boxes of (mostly unprocessed) archived material at the Briscoe Center, along with biographical information, I would like to offer my current opinions of your five approaches: (1.0) Oswald boards a plan to Helsinki on October 9, 1959. At this point in his career, Major General Edwin Walker is at the top of his game. He is flying high as a newly appointed Commander of the 24th Infantry Division - more responsibility than he ever had, and he loves it. A victorious war hero in World War Two, and a highly decorated artillery officer at Korea, he now had his own Command and he planned to implement his Pro-Blue program of rightist propaganda on his 2,000 or so Troops in Augsberg, Germany. Walker wasn't considering any plots against Government at this time, because he was happier with his prospects than ever before. So, even if Oswald and Walker were somehow on the same plane, I don't see any motive for a General to liaison with this ex-Marine at this time. (1.1) Yes, it is remotely possible that, because Walker was rabidly Anticommunist, that he could have been involved in a plot to infiltrate the USSR using Oswald as a spy; but that theory is unnecessary to adequately explain the subsequent events. (2.0) I am increasingly impressed by Walker's accomplishments in World War Two. (I've formally requested his entire Service Record from the Military Records Office.) Walker was one of the first Commandos (before the Green Berets). That is, he was in Special Ops. He was given lots of responsibility because he was on the fast track to becoming a General. HOWEVER, he was widely known as a man of ACTION, rather than a man of LEARNING. In his West Point Class of 250-or-so students, Walker finished around 215. (Walker wasn't a valedictorian like General Douglas MacArthur.) His speech-writing skills show the spelling and grammar of an average high-school student, said one critic. His reading was almost entirely confined to right-wing pulp pamphlets. Also, Walker believed what he read from Dan Smoot, H.L. Hunt, Clarence E. Manion, Charles B. Hudson, Robert Welch, Joe McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover, Billy James Hargis and that lot. This was gospel for him. If they said that there are Communists in the US State Department, they by gawd they exist and so the American Public and Press must be utterly fooled, or conspirators in this Communist plot! This was not rhetoric for Walker. It was the Truth (3.0) I don't have enough information yet to confirm my suspicions, but I believe Walker's troubles with the Overseas Weekly began with his relationship with the segregationist Texas preacher, Billy James Hargis. Hargis recommended many books to Walker for his Pro-Blue program, and they both hoped to get rich when (and if) the USA chose to reproduce their program for the entire USA Military. But Walker was also very religious, in his own way, and he would get carried away with this. He referred to the Overseas Weekly as the Oversexed Weekly, mainly because that newspaper would feature bikini models on every other page. I believe this is what he referred to when he complained to the Army that the Overseas Weekly was "immoral". (3.1) Not in any kind of disrespectful manner, but in a purely psychological approach, I believe we should consider the fact that General Walker was a life-long bachelor, and that his archives show no evidence of any fiance or lady friend of any kind at any time. The only hint we have of his gender preferences (that I have been able to find so far) is gleaned from a couple of arrests, later in life, for public homosexual offenses. (3.2) Remember, this was the Army in 1959. If we have problems with homosexuals in the Military in 2012, we can imagine the problems they had in 1959. It was not acceptable even in Civilian life to be a homosexual. It meant immediate Court Martial to be a homosexual in the Army. And a General?! It would have been an international scandal. His mother would possibly have died of shame. (3.3) Nevertheless, we probably have no choice over our gender preferences, and if so, then Walker was no exception. He may have had to "hide his love away" so to speak, but it would leak out in various ways. In such repressed conditions, a person may be likely to adapt by becoming a notable prude. I believe it leaked out with General Walker in his continual complaining about the Overseas Weekly being made available to the 24th Infantry Division in Germany -- which was supposed to be his Division! (3.4) Walker made himself so annoying to the "regular guys" at the Overseas Weekly newspaper for nearly a year and a half, that they finally got fed up in 1961 and directed an attack on General Walker that was calculated to cause a scandal that would reach the White House. (3.5) Dick Russell (TMWKTM) tells us that the elderly General Charles Willoughby, and his twenty-something protoge, Larrie Schmidt, were the active elements behind the scenes to remove Walker from his post. Willoughby was a rightist himself, but he wasn't a prude, and he wasn't a narrow-minded John Bircher, either. (I would like to confirm Russell's position on this if possible.) (3.6) Anyway, under the influence of Billy Jame Hargis, and his own prudish tendencies, General Walker attacked the Overseas Weekly first for many months, before they finally shot back so effectively. Walker was moved to a harmless desk job the very next day to avoid an international scandal. (3.7) This moment, April, 1961, was the moment when General Walker's world first came crashing down. He would never forget this moment for the rest of his life. He would write speech after speech, defending himself against the Overseas Weekly many years after the event, unable to let it go. He lost everything, really -- because he so much loved being in Command of the 24th Infantry Division; he finally felt he had a large family of his own, perhaps. Losing his Command over the 24th Division broke his heart - and it soured him for life. (3.8) Walker's suspicion of Kennedy started with rightist propaganda. But Walker's hatred of Kennedy started with his removal from Command. (3.9) Therefore, Jim, because our evidence shows Walker spending almost all his time promoting his Pro-Blue propaganda program, and the possible fame and fortune that he might obtain through it, I find insufficient evidence to link General Walker with any plots of any kind at all until April, 1961. In April, 1961, Oswald was only now meeting Marina, and asking her to marry him. (3.10) Finally, in this regard, the confession of Bob Schmidt to the FBI, that he and Larrie and Oswald tried to kill Walker on 4/10/1963, is more interesting because it brings Larrie Schmidt (and by proxy, General Charles Willoughby) back into the picture. (3.11) But why would Oswald want to kill General Walker at all? The reason was already supplied by George DeMohrenschildt in his WC and HSCA testimonies, especially in his booklet, I'm a Patsy! I'm a Patsy! in which George confesses that he and Volkmar Schmidt first made Oswald aware of General Walker in late 1962. George and Volkmar hated General Walker for his embarrasing role in the Oxford, Mississippi riots against racial integration. George confessed that he and Oswald started calling General Walker, "General Fokker," with a demeaning sneer. (4.0) How did the Deutsche NationalZeitung know that Walker was staying at the Captain Shreve Hotel in Shereveport, LA at 7am on 11/24/1963? (4.1) I am convinced, based on the FBI evidence, that General Walker first called the Deutsche NationalZeitung at 6:30 AM or earlier. (4.2) The call from the Deutsche NationalZeitung which came at 7am wasn't from Helmut Muench, but from Haslo Thorsten, a reporter. (4.3.) The FBI records, however, were from interviews with Helmut Muench, who suggests that Walker called him first, and they set up the interview. In that first call, said Muench, Walker blurted out that the same shooter at JFK was the same shooter at Walker on 4/10/1963. One gets the impression that Walker was very excited about it, and quite proud of it. (4.4) Your theory, Jim, has the advantage of showing how General Walker could immediately recognize Oswald from a past encounter. (4.5) However, without that past encounter, we must somehow explain how Walker recognized Oswald so quickly - and also connected Oswald with the Walker shooting of 4/10/1963. (4.6) My best guess comes from Warren Commission testimony of George DeMohrenschildt combined with Dick Russell's research. DeMohrenschilt admitted than when he obtained grounds (on the night of 4/13/1963) to suspect Oswald was the April shooter, he told his friends, Mr. and Mrs. Igor Voshinin. They, in turn, immediately told the FBI. (4.7) If so then the FBI would have immediately told General Walker. So, General Walker would have drawn his conclusions by that very week. (4.8) This means that Walker would have known about Oswald's participation (and DeMohrenschildt's silent complicity) only a few days after the event. (4.9) Walker would have blamed the Kennedy Administration for all this. He would have thought this was a plot by RFK to kill him. That is in fact what Walker told the world for the rest of his life. (4.10) I believe my theory has an edge, Jim, because I'm able to link up testimony from other witnesses to the Warren Commission. This is smooth and needs very little outside speculation. (5.0) So, if Hosty began his tracking of Oswald here, Jim, we know the FBI was lying when they told the Warren Commission that they never suspected Oswald as a Walker shooter until they were told about it from Marina Oswald in December, 1963. (5.1) Yes, the CIA was interested in Oswald - but why and how is a closely guarded secret. We can only speculate upon the facts. (5.2) I speculate as follows: because Walker was an officer in DePugh's Minutemen organization of a US rightist militia, and furthermore, Guy Banister was also an officer in DePugh's Minutemen, it is no accident that Lee Harvey Oswald is rushed from Walker/Dallas to Banister/NewOrleans in just a few days time. (5.3) The transfer of Oswald from Walker to Banister is the same as the transfer of Oswald from Dallas to New Orleans by April 25, 1963. (5.4) The FBI would have known this, because Banister was also FBI. (5.5) The CIA would have known this, because Banister was working with the Lake Pontchartrain training ground for Cuban Exiles, run by the CIA. (5.6) Gerry Patrick Hemming claimed that he saw Lee Harvey Oswald at Lake Pontchartrain. (5.7) Gerry Patrick Hemming claimed that he saw General Walker at Lake Pontchartrain. (5.8) In my opinion, Jim, tracing the whereabouts of General Walker from May, 1963, to October, 1963, is almost impossible in the archives I've seen so far. (5.9) I keenly seek all the Walker connections with Cuban Exiles and Minutemen and John Birch Society from May, 1963 to October, 1963. If there is a smoking gun here, Jim, I would not be surprised to find it in the briefcase of General Edwin A. Walker, but mainly in this time period. Best regards, --Paul Trejo, MA <edit typos> Edited March 5, 2012 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Root Posted March 5, 2012 Author Share Posted March 5, 2012 Hi Paul Thanks for the quick response...much better at that than I. Just a quick note and I will try to respond futher tomorrow. GP Hemming sent me an email where he said that I was right that Walker was a part of the team that infiltrated Oswald into the Soviet Union in 1959. Hemming began corresponding with me when I pointed out that he was training under Walker when he had admitted that he was recruited into intelligence. Hemming is the one person that we can show knew both Walker and Oswald and it is not to much of a stretch to, if you believe Hemming, believe that Oswald may have received information about entry into the Soviet Union from Walker that had been sent by John Hickerson, whom Walker had to deal with while in command of the First Special Servises Force during WWII. The information that was sent in that note was revealed during the HSCA but Oswald, it seems, followed the instructions to the letter and received his visa into the Soviet Union within the 24 hours Hickerson said could be done. If you locate Walker's Cullum Number you can easily request his military record, which I have done, from West Point. Within it you will find an interesting letter from John J. McCloy written, I believe in June of 1963. While it seems remote the subject matter deals, weird coincidence perhaps, with a man whose military career was sealed in concrete after an event that occured on November 22. Walker also had independent commands prior to the 24th Infantry Division (including the famed 101st Airborne Division) and I have interviewed a man that ran the Pro Blue Program for Walker while in Hawaii in the 1950's. You will also find that Walkers attendance in the Command and General Staff programs took place at a time that the Cold War Strategies that the US would implement for the next 30 years were being developed. Walker is a very interesting person and is, in my opinion, a key figure needed to understanding how the assassination plan may have unfolded. I, personally do not believe that Walker was involved in an assassination plot but do believe he knew immediately that there was a plot orchestrated by the highest eschelons of power to assassinate the President and that he could be implecated if a trial went forward with Oswald testifing. More thoughts.... Jim Root Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Root Posted March 6, 2012 Author Share Posted March 6, 2012 (edited) Jim, What a number of interesting approaches to the Walker-Oswald puzzle. I'm only beginning my research into this mess, but I believe I can contribute something to the discussion because I have access to the Briscoe Center for American History, which recently released its Edwin Walker Collection. With the timeline I have garnered so far, and with my impressions from covering about half of the 80 boxes of (mostly unprocessed) archived material at the Briscoe Center, along with biographical information, I would like to offer my current opinions of your five approaches: Several years ago I was allowed access to the Walker Papers at the Univ. of Texas at Austin (Briscoe Center). At the time I was told that there was one box but learned that the collection was much more than I had been told. Would love to return and see more since my time was limited when I was last there. Perhaps we could correspond on some things that I have found in other collections which might be found in this one as well (1.0) Oswald boards a plan to Helsinki on October 9, 1959. At this point in his career, Major General Edwin Walker is at the top of his game. He is flying high as a newly appointed Commander of the 24th Infantry Division - more responsibility than he ever had, and he loves it. A victorious war hero in World War Two, and a highly decorated artillery officer at Korea, he now had his own Command and he planned to implement his Pro-Blue program of rightist propaganda on his 2,000 or so Troops in Augsberg, Germany. Walker wasn't considering any plots against Government at this time, because he was happier with his prospects than ever before. So, even if Oswald and Walker were somehow on the same plane, I don't see any motive for a General to liaison with this ex-Marine at this time. Pro Blue had been implimented for several years in places where Walker had independent command. I had the opportunity to interview a man who was incharge of the troop instruction for Pro Blue in Hawiaii. He made it clear that while the Pro Blue Program was a part of Walker's command and came under his jurisdiction and control his actual hands on oversight was very limited due to the vast responsibility of command that would limit the time that could be spent on any one program. When you get into the Walker papers you will find a great deal correspondence between Walker and others where he is trying to understand exactly what happened with the Pro Blue flare up. IMHO he understands that he is being "burned" by the CIA but has no understanding of why. This is the reason that I went into the background of the Overseas Weekly investigation and even interviewed a person involved for background. The fact that the investigation can be tied to Oswald's decision to return to the US provides a plausible explanation of why Walker would be "burned" (my word) by people in intelligence. (1.1) Yes, it is remotely possible that, because Walker was rabidly Anticommunist, that he could have been involved in a plot to infiltrate the USSR using Oswald as a spy; but that theory is unnecessary to adequately explain the subsequent events. My theory suggest nothing having to do with Walker's political beliefs. When you get into his military record you will find a man who follows orders with blind obedience. When he took command of the FSSF, 3rd Regiment, just prior to the Aluetion (sp) Island campaign he had to be jump qualitied. He had a soldier strap him into a parachute, boarded a plane and without any training jumped out. It is reported that he then told the soldier something to the effect, jump qualified, CHECK. he did not need to be involved only following orders as he did throughout his military career. (2.0) I am increasingly impressed by Walker's accomplishments in World War Two. (I've formally requested his entire Service Record from the Military Records Office.) Walker was one of the first Commandos (before the Green Berets). That is, he was in Special Ops. He was given lots of responsibility because he was on the fast track to becoming a General. HOWEVER, he was widely known as a man of ACTION, rather than a man of LEARNING. In his West Point Class of 250-or-so students, Walker finished around 215. (Walker wasn't a valedictorian like General Douglas MacArthur.) His speech-writing skills show the spelling and grammar of an average high-school student, said one critic. His reading was almost entirely confined to right-wing pulp pamphlets. Also, Walker believed what he read from Dan Smoot, H.L. Hunt, Clarence E. Manion, Charles B. Hudson, Robert Welch, Joe McCarthy, J. Edgar Hoover, Billy James Hargis and that lot. This was gospel for him. If they said that there are Communists in the US State Department, they by gawd they exist and so the American Public and Press must be utterly fooled, or conspirators in this Communist plot! This was not rhetoric for Walker. It was the Truth The Cold War was a War against Communism and Walker was a foot soldier in that war that believed in what he was doing. As I stated before he was blindly obedient. (3.0) I don't have enough information yet to confirm my suspicions, but I believe Walker's troubles with the Overseas Weekly began with his relationship with the segregationist Texas preacher, Billy James Hargis. Hargis recommended many books to Walker for his Pro-Blue program, and they both hoped to get rich when (and if) the USA chose to reproduce their program for the entire USA Military. But Walker was also very religious, in his own way, and he would get carried away with this. He referred to the Overseas Weekly as the Oversexed Weekly, mainly because that newspaper would feature bikini models on every other page. I believe this is what he referred to when he complained to the Army that the Overseas Weekly was "immoral". I believe it began with Oswald's first letter requesting to return to the United States. The timing is factually perfect and must be considered when looking at the whole picture of defection, return, FBI tracking, assassination, Raleigh Call, etc. (3.1) Not in any kind of disrespectful manner, but in a purely psychological approach, I believe we should consider the fact that General Walker was a life-long bachelor, and that his archives show no evidence of any fiance or lady friend of any kind at any time. The only hint we have of his gender preferences (that I have been able to find so far) is gleaned from a couple of arrests, later in life, for public homosexual offenses. Like you, I agree that Walker's gender preference played a major role in his life. I have found a reference of a West Point classmate that suggested that Walker was married for a least a brief period of time at some point but have never been able to comfirm that. The use of homosexuals in intelligence positions seems to be a normal aspect of intelligence and Walker may have very early in his career been identified as homosexual. I intereviewed a family friend in Kerrville, Texas that suggest that the reason Walker's father sent him to a military school for HS was to change his gender preference....I have more but would rather not discuss that here at this time. (3.2) Remember, this was the Army in 1959. If we have problems with homosexuals in the Military in 2012, we can imagine the problems they had in 1959. It was not acceptable even in Civilian life to be a homosexual. It meant immediate Court Martial to be a homosexual in the Army. And a General?! It would have been an international scandal. His mother would possibly have died of shame. I believe his mother did know! And can you imagine the power people would have over him if they knew his secret? (3.3) Nevertheless, we probably have no choice over our gender preferences, and if so, then Walker was no exception. He may have had to "hide his love away" so to speak, but it would leak out in various ways. In such repressed conditions, a person may be likely to adapt by becoming a notable prude. I believe it leaked out with General Walker in his continual complaining about the Overseas Weekly being made available to the 24th Infantry Division in Germany -- which was supposed to be his Division! (3.4) Walker made himself so annoying to the "regular guys" at the Overseas Weekly newspaper for nearly a year and a half, that they finally got fed up in 1961 and directed an attack on General Walker that was calculated to cause a scandal that would reach the White House. Not sure he was there for a year and a half before the investigation began. From the person I interviewed the story is a little different...but we can differ. (3.5) Dick Russell (TMWKTM) tells us that the elderly General Charles Willoughby, and his twenty-something protoge, Larrie Schmidt, were the active elements behind the scenes to remove Walker from his post. Willoughby was a rightist himself, but he wasn't a prude, and he wasn't a narrow-minded John Bircher, either. (I would like to confirm Russell's position on this if possible.) (3.6) Anyway, under the influence of Billy Jame Hargis, and his own prudish tendencies, General Walker attacked the Overseas Weekly first for many months, before they finally shot back so effectively. Walker was moved to a harmless desk job the very next day to avoid an international scandal. The timming is a little different than the very next day but I do believe Walker was "burned" by others and his days in command were numbered. (3.7) This moment, April, 1961, was the moment when General Walker's world first came crashing down. He would never forget this moment for the rest of his life. He would write speech after speech, defending himself against the Overseas Weekly many years after the event, unable to let it go. He lost everything, really -- because he so much loved being in Command of the 24th Infantry Division; he finally felt he had a large family of his own, perhaps. Losing his Command over the 24th Division broke his heart - and it soured him for life. Agreed...at least till the assassination occured and then I believe Walker understood a lot more! (3.8) Walker's suspicion of Kennedy started with rightist propaganda. But Walker's hatred of Kennedy started with his removal from Command. Hate is a strong word....read Walker's last interview. (3.9) Therefore, Jim, because our evidence shows Walker spending almost all his time promoting his Pro-Blue propaganda program, and the possible fame and fortune that he might obtain through it, I find insufficient evidence to link General Walker with any plots of any kind at all until April, 1961. In April, 1961, Oswald was only now meeting Marina, and asking her to marry him. Respectfully disagree with you that he spent "almost all his time promoting his Pro-Blue propaganda program...." He had many other issues to deal with while in command of the 24th ID. (3.10) Finally, in this regard, the confession of Bob Schmidt to the FBI, that he and Larrie and Oswald tried to kill Walker on 4/10/1963, is more interesting because it brings Larrie Schmidt (and by proxy, General Charles Willoughby) back into the picture. (3.11) But why would Oswald want to kill General Walker at all? The reason was already supplied by George DeMohrenschildt in his WC and HSCA testimonies, especially in his booklet, I'm a Patsy! I'm a Patsy! in which George confesses that he and Volkmar Schmidt first made Oswald aware of General Walker in late 1962. George and Volkmar hated General Walker for his embarrasing role in the Oxford, Mississippi riots against racial integration. George confessed that he and Oswald started calling General Walker, "General Fokker," with a demeaning sneer. George DeMohrenschildt's brother Demitri was a very close associate of Whitney Shepardson. Together they startedd Radio Free Europe (Radio Liberty)and Shepardson was a founder of Secret Intelligence (appointed by John J. McCloy). Shepardson and McCloys association was long and strong.....DeMohrenschild believed that Oswald had shot at Walker and soon after this event George leaves Dallas and the Richard Helms via the FBI begings monitoring the movement of Oswald. Helms was SI assigned to Stockholm during WWII and worked closely with Shepardson. I have some great coorespondence between Helms and Shepardson form June of 1959 when they were discussing what one person discribed as an off track mission that was being planed through Helsinki in the "near future." (4.0) How did the Deutsche NationalZeitung know that Walker was staying at the Captain Shreve Hotel in Shereveport, LA at 7am on 11/24/1963? alker(4.1) I am convinced, based on the FBI evidence, that General Walker first called the Deutsche NationalZeitung at 6:30 AM or earlier. (4.2) The call from the Deutsche NationalZeitung which came at 7am wasn't from Helmut Muench, but from Haslo Thorsten, a reporter. (4.3.) The FBI records, however, were from interviews with Helmut Muench, who suggests that Walker called him first, and they set up the interview. In that first call, said Muench, Walker blurted out that the same shooter at JFK was the same shooter at Walker on 4/10/1963. One gets the impression that Walker was very excited about it, and quite proud of it. Agreed! Why did Walker want this story out so quickly....I suggest because he recognized Oswald and realized he was in a very difficult position....knee jerk reaction that is consistant with his getting the autograph of the airplane pilot to prove that he was on a plane rather than in Dallas. (4.4) Your theory, Jim, has the advantage of showing how General Walker could immediately recognize Oswald from a past encounter. (4.5) However, without that past encounter, we must somehow explain how Walker recognized Oswald so quickly - and also connected Oswald with the Walker shooting of 4/10/1963. (4.6) My best guess comes from Warren Commission testimony of George DeMohrenschildt combined with Dick Russell's research. DeMohrenschilt admitted than when he obtained grounds (on the night of 4/13/1963) to suspect Oswald was the April shooter, he told his friends, Mr. and Mrs. Igor Voshinin. They, in turn, immediately told the FBI. (4.7) If so then the FBI would have immediately told General Walker. So, General Walker would have drawn his conclusions by that very week. (4.8) This means that Walker would have known about Oswald's participation (and DeMohrenschildt's silent complicity) only a few days after the event. My theory is much simpler....but we may differ and is supporte by one interesting detail....the passenger lists from Oswald's travel from London to Helsinki were never made public....what was intentionally being hidden? A question that must be asked...especially since Walker was also traveling in Europe in this time frame. (4.9) Walker would have blamed the Kennedy Administration for all this. He would have thought this was a plot by RFK to kill him. That is in fact what Walker told the world for the rest of his life. In my theory Walker would have had to say that he knew who was responsible for the assassination of JFK....doubt he would go there without implicating himself....especially with the McCloy letter in his Cullum File, in his papers at Austin and in McCloy's papers at Amhurst. (4.10) I believe my theory has an edge, Jim, because I'm able to link up testimony from other witnesses to the Warren Commission. This is smooth and needs very little outside speculation. I believe that I can link the downing of the U-2 and the failure of the Paris Summit, as Oswald mentioned in his own words at Spring Hill College, to an event that John J. McCloy wanted to happen. When Kennedy went for the Limited Test Ban Teaty of 1963...McCloy resigned....Kennedy is assassinated and McCloy is positioned to cover it up as a member of the Warren Commission and is also returned to the position of lead arms negotiator.McCloy had motive and achieved what he wanted with the assassination of JFK. (5.0) So, if Hosty began his tracking of Oswald here, Jim, we know the FBI was lying when they told the Warren Commission that they never suspected Oswald as a Walker shooter until they were told about it from Marina Oswald in December, 1963. Don't believe the FBI knew Oswald was the shooter....belive Richard Helms wanted Oswald tracked and that he knew via information supplied by George De. (5.1) Yes, the CIA was interested in Oswald - but why and how is a closely guarded secret. We can only speculate upon the facts. Agreed but if you believe G P Hemming....Oswald was inserted into the Soviet Union with the help of Gen. Walker which would make him of interest to the CIA....read Oswald and the CIA for more background. (5.2) I speculate as follows: because Walker was an officer in DePugh's Minutemen organization of a US rightist militia, and furthermore, Guy Banister was also an officer in DePugh's Minutemen, it is no accident that Lee Harvey Oswald is rushed from Walker/Dallas to Banister/NewOrleans in just a few days time. (5.3) The transfer of Oswald from Walker to Banister is the same as the transfer of Oswald from Dallas to New Orleans by April 25, 1963. (5.4) The FBI would have known this, because Banister was also FBI. (5.5) The CIA would have known this, because Banister was working with the Lake Pontchartrain training ground for Cuban Exiles, run by the CIA. We differ on reasons (5.6) Gerry Patrick Hemming claimed that he saw Lee Harvey Oswald at Lake Pontchartrain. (5.7) Gerry Patrick Hemming claimed that he saw General Walker at Lake Pontchartrain. Already stated my correspondence with Hemming (5.8) In my opinion, Jim, tracing the whereabouts of General Walker from May, 1963, to October, 1963, is almost impossible in the archives I've seen so far. Walker's earlier career is easier to track and much more interesting! (5.9) I keenly seek all the Walker connections with Cuban Exiles and Minutemen and John Birch Society from May, 1963 to October, 1963. If there is a smoking gun here, Jim, I would not be surprised to find it in the briefcase of General Edwin A. Walker, but mainly in this time period. Best regards, --Paul Trejo, MA <edit typos> Jim Root Edited March 6, 2012 by Jim Root Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 (edited) I believe that I can link the downing of the U-2 and the failure of the Paris Summit, as Oswald mentioned in his own words at Spring Hill College, to an event that John J. McCloy wanted to happen. When Kennedy went for the Limited Test Ban Teaty of 1963...McCloy resigned....Kennedy is assassinated and McCloy is positioned to cover it up as a member of the Warren Commission and is also returned to the position of lead arms negotiator.McCloy had motive and achieved what he wanted with the assassination of JFK. Jim, I place a high value on the testimony of GP Hemming, as awkward as it sometimes sounds. (He was protecting his friends, so he often had to mince words.) Insofar as GP Hemming sent you an email affirming your theory that Walker was a part of the team that infiltrated Oswald into the USSR in 1959, I will change my theory accordingly. Hemming's confirmation makes it easier to accept that General Edwin Walker supplied special information to Lee Harvey Oswald to help him quickly get a Visa for the USSR. Now, did I understand you correctly, Jim; did you say that GP Hemming himself had trained under Walker? This is startling to me. Did GP Hemming have an opinion for or against Walker? Pro-Blue? The 24th Infantry Division? The Overseas Weekly? Larrie Schmidt? General Charles Willoughby? The Deutsche NationalZeitung? Dr. Frey? Hemming's first-hand reports would be most interesting. When I get Walker's military records, I will seek that letter you cited from John J. McCloy about the man whose military career was sealed in concrete after 11/22/1963. I look forward to reading about Walker's additional triumphs in the Army. Since he was a Major General, I'm not surprised that Walker would attend General Staff programs regarding long-term US Cold War Strategies. We agree that Walker is a key figure in any complete theory of the planning of the JFK conspiracy. Now, you say that you don't believe that Walker was involved personally, and I admit that I have no solid evidence that links him -- yet. But I believe I found some circumstantial evidence in his archives. (I would enjoy telling you about that over time.) You do believe, Jim, that Walker knew that there was such a plot and that it was "orchestrated by the highest eschelons of power." But knowing about such a plot and not reporting it to the President makes Walker an accessory, doesn't it? You also believe, Jim, that Walker could have been implicated if Lee Harvey Oswald had gone to trial -- so that again suggests an accessory relationship at the very least. OK, let's look at some of your direct feedback to my proposals: (1.0) The Briscoe Center last year opened up 48 boxes from the Edwin Walker Collection. Also, this year they opened up a further 32 boxes from the Collection of Walker's secretary, Julia Knecht. That's 80 boxes total. I will briefly describe what I've seen so far. The boxes are still grocery boxes - large and clumsy. Possibly a quarter of their contents consists of newspaper clippings. Another quarter consists of fan mail. We also have the expected: scrap books from his World War II triumphs, and some memorabilia of his Korean battles. There are letters from his mother, also, and his family. It is in Julia Knecht's Collection that we find the many completed speeches that he would deliver nationwide, and the pamphlets for sale that were largely repetitions of his speeches. (In his personal boxes we have fragments of speeches in process, all marked up.) There are multiple copies of his court case aginst API, suing them for portraying him in a leading role in the Mississippi riots of 1962. (1.1) On the darker side, we find many issues of newsletters from racists and anti-Semites, e.g. Charles B. Hudson's newsletter, and two complete books by Hillman Holcomb, and sundry newsletters berating Negroes, with special attention to Martin Luther King and Malcom X. (1.2) There is next to nothing in the way of personal correspondence between Walker and Robert Welch, for example, or Billy James Hargis, or even his long-time benefactor, H.L. Hunt. I get the impression that the this large Collection has been sanitized over the years. (2.0) The Walter Lord Papers (from the Kennedy Center) contain a lot about General Walker and his Pro-Blue program. Lord's conclusion was that Walker considered Robert Welch to be a slow-moving piker in the game of Anticommunism, and in fact Walker had been building his Pro-Blue program for years before he implemented it in Germany. So, this apparently agrees with your research, too, Jim. (2.1) I have seen some letters revealing the worry of what would happen to Pro-Blue once Walker was removed from his Command in Augsberg. The Army assured Walker that Pro-Blue was not a problem at all -- it was officially not a JBS spin-off. But the reality of the matter was different -- without Walker the Pro-Blue program died on the vine. (2.2) In my reading, he believes he is being burned by the Kennedy Administration (not the CIA) and he is very certain about the reason why. Just as Joe McCarthy claimed in 1951, there have been Commuists in the White House since FDR. According to Robert Welch, Eisenhower was *certainly* a Communist. Therefore, Kennedy should be expected to behave like a Communist. And he did, according to General Walker and the extreme right-wing. (2.3) Jim, I am still unclear about your theory regarding how the Overseas Weekly investigation links in with Oswald's decision to return to the USA. General Walker writes a lot about the fall of his Pro-Blue program; he repeats that the Kennedy Administration (not the CIA) along with its brazenly open support of Communism was to blame - as expected, because the Communists were afraid of the super-warriors he would be creating with the Pro-Blue program. (2.4) Jim, we encounter a sharp break between our theories insofar as you see nothing suspicious in Walker's political beliefs. I agree that Walker was once a man who blindly (loyally) followed orders, period. That was in World War Two. In the Korean war, as he says in many places, his opinion changed because he was so frustrated with this "no-win" war. (2.5) In Korea, said Walker, Eisenhower supported the Communists by advancing then retreating, advancing then retreating. This is abnormal, and Walker just hated it. He made a promise to himself that he would never again sign up for a "no-win" war. (2.6) Walker's heart was in the World War Two era. Yet the Cold War was nothing at all like World War Two. This was where Walker (and millions like him) got confused. (2.8) In 1961 a new Military bulletin regarding Cold War education superseded the 1958 Military bulletin. He told Congress in 1962 that his Pro-Blue reading program was based on the 1958 Bulletin, and he insisted on following that, despite what the new Military bulletin said. So, he was no longer blindly obedient where Pro-Blue was concerned. (2.9) Also, when the Army gave him a promotion and assigned him to a Command in Hawaii in late 1961, he did not accept it. He said that it was only one step from Hawaii to Vietnam, and he swore he would never fight another "no-win" war. That was when he QUIT the Army. (2.10) Now, he could have retired with a full pension. He had served 30 years, and was a highly decorated General. It was nothing less than insolent for him to QUIT and renounce his Military Pension in protest. Protest of a promotion to a Command in Hawaii? (2.11) No - it was in protest of losing his Command of the 24th, and the Pro-Blue program that was so beautiful to Walker throughout 1960. (2.12) So, no, Jim. The Cold War against Communism was no ordinary War, and Walker was no foot soldier in the Cold War. He wanted to be a General in the Cold War, and to start calling the shots himself. He was prepared, he believed. To prove it, he would run for Governor of Texas. He believed (along with H.L. Hunt) that Douglas MacArthur should have been our next great President. He was convinced, along with H.L. Hunt and all extreme rightists, that the White House and State Department were secret Communsits. Therefore true loyalty to the USA meant smashing the power of the White House and the State Department. In 1962 the life of General Walker looked more and more like a scene from Doctor Strangelove. (2.13) And although the timing is perfect -- Oswald's return to the USA corresponds with the fall of the Pro-Blue program -- I still don't see a direct connection between the events, Jim. Perhaps you can clarify that for me. (3.0) Jim, your intereview of a Walker family friend in Kerrville, who suggested that Walker's father sent him to a military school to change his gender preference is core material for a historical biography. You can't just announce that and forget it. That's journalistic gold. (4.0) As for the 'burning' of Walker in 1961, I am interested in the conspiratorial side of things. The Anti-Semitic literature that Walker kept in his possession (as found in his archives) suggests that he also might have turned by his association with ex-Nazi Germans in Augsberg from 1959-1961. (4.1) Remember in his interview with Haslo Thorsten around 7AM 11/24/1963, he ends the interview with a special greeting to "Dr. Frey." This Dr. Gerhard Frey, editor of the Deutsche NationalZeitung, a former Nazi and well-known anti-Semite. (4.2) Less than 24 hours after the JFK assassination, Walker called his friends in Germany. This is an interesting act. (4.3) Now, you believe that Walker promptly told the Deutsche NationalZeitung that Oswald was his April shooter "because he recognized Oswald and realized he was in a very difficult position." I am still unclear about what that "difficult position" would be. My theory is much simpler...and is supported by one interesting detail... the passenger lists from Oswald's travel from London to Helsinki were never made public... what was intentionally being hidden? A question that must be asked... especially since Walker was also traveling in Europe in this time frame. It was because Walker flew on the same airplane as Oswald in 1959? In my theory Walker would have had to say that he knew who was responsible for the assassination of JFK.... doubt he would go there without implicating himself... especially with the McCloy letter in his Cullum File, in his papers at Austin and in McCloy's papers at Amhurst. So, let's review. Since Walker flew in an airplane with Oswald, people would have demanded Walker to take the witness stand. On the stand, Walker would have to confess that he knew all about the JFK assassination plot. Is that correct? If so, Jim, then I disagree for three reasons. (4.3.1) Walker was going to be called to the witness stand anyway. He said hateful things about JFK during the Mississippi riots. On 26Sep62, the same day that Walker went on KWKH radio in Shreveport to call for "thousands" of angry protestors to join him in Jackson, Mississippi, Walker also sent an Open Letter to JFK, lambasting him for his weakness in dealing with Cuba. Also, in his many speeches with Billy James Hargis after the Mississippi riots, Walker continued to say that the White House and State Department are taking a course of TREASON in their national policy. (4.3.2) Walker also said hateful things about JFK on October 23, 1963, in a speech to prepare crowds to heckle Adlai Stevenson who was to appear in that same autitorium the very next night! When Adlai showed up, not only did the crowd heckle, they also saw for the first time a mass distribution of the famous poster: "WANTED FOR TREASON: JFK". Walker's modus operandi was all over that poster. (4.3.3) Walker had preached for years that Supreme Court Justice Earl Warren should be IMPEACHED. Walker detested Warren and his Commission. Why in the world would Walker feel obligated to tell the truth to Earl Warren's Commission? He surely would not. Your theory is more elaborate, Jim, yet I believe my key suspicions should be answered before proceeding with another CIA theory. (5.0) You noted that after George DeMohrenschildt suspected Oswald shot at Walker, the FBI begins monitoring Oswald. I raise a point from Dick Russell, here: the business-partner of Walker and part-owner of the American Eagle publishing company was Robert Allen Surrey, who also testified for the Warren Commission. Russell's point is that Robert Allen Surrey played Bridge on a regular basis with James Hosty. (5.1) I believe that Walker and Hosty knew that Oswald was the April shooter, but special plans were being developed in Lousiania for the punishment of Lee Harvey Oswald. After only two weeks of the April shooting, Oswald moves to Louisiana. (5.2) Now, I do believe GP Hemming, so I will also say that Oswald infiltrated the USSR with the help of General Walker. Yet I can easily imagine that the CIA were already aware of this. (5.3) GP Hemming (thanks in part to your interviews of him) told the world that he saw General Walker at Lake Pontchartrain. What was Walker doing consorting with all these Cuban Exiles? I want to know! Best regards, --Paul Trejo <edit typos> Edited March 10, 2012 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Hocking Posted March 6, 2012 Share Posted March 6, 2012 Some excellent information in this thread. I want to thank Paul Trejo and Jim Root for sharing their work and contributions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 (edited) I finally obtained a copy of that Open Letter of 26Sep62 by former General Edwin Walker to President Kennedy. I reproduce it here in full. (For ease of reading I placed each sentence in its own line and I marked the paragraph divisions with this marker "=*=".) Bear in mind that the very same day that Walker sent this to the White House, he also made an interstate broadcast on KWKH radio calling for a thousand patriots from every State in the Union to join him in Jackson, Mississipi, to angrily confront Federal Marshals and protest the forcible entrance of James Meredith into Oxford University. This was a red-letter day in the life of General Edwin Walker. --Paul Trejo <edit typos> ------------------------ BEGIN ATTACHMENT --------------------------- EDWIN A. WALKER 4011 TUTLE CREEK BLVD. DALLAS 19, TEXAS September 26, 1962 The President The White House Washington, D.C. Mr. President: It is obvious to millions of concerned and informed Americans that idle talk and rocking chair action can not cope with the Russian-Cuban threat. The Joint Chiefs of Staff, our highest military tribunal, have informed your administration that Cuba is a threat to the United States. The actions of the State Department are completely incompatible with military judgment and with our policy and traditions, upon which all freedom-loving countries rely for their protection and security. America is now the laughingstock of the world to both friend and foe. Our military men watch a German lad die -- with utter disgust for a policy of centralized Sovietized paralysis that censors their every move. There is widespread bewilderment throughout the nation at the audacity of Castro-Cuba and our obsequious policy of vying for favor in assisting our enemies, which is now realistically exposed and shorn of enchantment. =*= The Monroe Doctrine is more than an expression of National Policy. It is an expression of unity in cause and purpose in the Union of States. Harboring and shielding Communist Cuba in our midst is a direct threat to the State of the Union. Americans, civilian and military -- regulars, reserve, and guard, including state and local police -- are closely unified and oriented at the community level. They recognize demagogic power and action with centralized police state methods (as being used by Federal law enforcement agencies in Mississippi) as an internal policy which is corroborating and reciprocative in purpose with the enthronement and escalation of Moscows Cuba. =*= I will lay off Berlin if you will lay off Cuba is no doubt an expression of blackmail with which you are familiar from your early Summit meeting with a typical communist maestro. There is wide public concern for the freedom and custody of your office with possible resulting inhibitions in national policy and security. Public opinion can be right or wrong but nonetheless dangerous as reflected in the highly volatile, belated and moratory pronouncements of the Fulbright Memorandum. Public concern is not allayed or reduced by the sophisticated utterances of your associates and press. The UN has proved itself too deceptive and un-American in Cuba, Goa, the Congo and Laos to add one iota of confidence to a situation which you have described as Dire Peril. =*= I urge you now and in haste, in view of the steadily deteriorating situation and the ill will that bodes no good, to take such measures that will invoke the Monroe Doctrine and reassure the prevailing lack of confidence at home and abroad. This would establish a modicum of respect for America throughout the world. =*= If an aggressive economic and military blockade is not now made assuredly successful in its essential offensive quality, disposition and determination to free Cuba, a volatile and dangerous public opinion will reflect its angry mood toward losses to Communism throughout the entire world. Without a modicum of respect, such a mood could rebel in revulsive repudiation of its traditional bounds against the untraditional escalation of intrusive and compulsive accommodation. Respectfully, Edwin A. Walker --------------------- END ATTACHMENT ----------------- Edited March 10, 2012 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hogan Posted March 7, 2012 Share Posted March 7, 2012 I finally obtained a copy of that Open Letter of 26Sep62 by former General Edwin Walker to President Kennedy. I reproduce it here in full. (For ease of reading I placed each sentence in its own line and I marked the paragraph divisions with this marker "=*=".) Bear in mind that the very same day that Walker sent this to the White House, he also made an interstate broadcast on KHYH radio calling for a thousand patriots from every State in the Union to join him in Jackson, Mississipi, to angrily confront Federal Marshals and protest the forcible entrance of James Meredith into Oxford University. This was a red-letter day in the life of General Edwin Walker. --Paul Trejo ------------------------ BEGIN ATTACHMENT --------------------------- EDWIN A. WALKER 4011 TUTLE CREEK BLVD. DALLAS 19, TEXAS September 26, 1962 The President The White House Washington, D.C. Mr. President: It is obvious to millions of concerned and informed Americans that idle talk and rocking chair action can not cope with the Russian-Cuban threat. The Joint Chiefs of Staff, our highest military tribunal, have informed your administration that Cuba is a threat to the United States. The actions of the State Department are completely incompatible with military judgment and with our policy and traditions, upon which all freedom-loving countries rely for their protection and security. America is now the laughingstock of the world to both friend and foe. Our military men watch a German lad die -- with utter disgust for a policy of centralized Sovietized paralysis that censors their every move. There is widespread bewilderment throughout the nation at the audacity of Castro-Cuba and our obsequious policy of vying for favor in assisting our enemies, which is now realistically exposed and shorn of enchantment. =*= The Monroe Doctrine is more than an expression of National Policy. It is an expression of unity in cause and purpose in the Union of States. Harboring and shielding Communist Cuba in our midst is a direct threat to the State of the Union. Americans, civilian and military -- regulars, reserve, and guard, including state and local police -- are closely unified and oriented at the community level. They recognize demagogic power and action with centralized police state methods (as being used by Federal law enforcement agencies in Mississippi) as an internal policy which is corroborating and reciprocative in purpose with the enthronement and escalation of Moscow’s Cuba. =*= “I will lay of Berlin if you will lay off Cuba” is no doubt an expression of blackmail with which you are familiar from your early Summit meeting with a typical communist maestro. There is wide public concern for the freedom and custody of your office with possible resulting inhibitions in national policy and security. Public opinion can be right or wrong – but nonetheless dangerous – as reflected in the highly volatile, belated and moratory pronouncements of the Fulbright Memorandum. (bold added) Public concern is not allayed or reduced by the sophisticated utterances of your associates and press. The UN has proved itself too deceptive and un-American in Cuba, Goa, the Congo and Laos to add one iota of confidence to a situation which you have described as “Dire Peril.” =*= I urge you now and in haste, in view of the steadily deteriorating situation and the ill will that bodes no good, to take such measures that will invoke the Monroe Doctrine and reassure the prevailing lack of confidence at home and abroad. This would establish a modicum of respect for America throughout the world. =*= If an aggressive economic and military blockade is not now made assuredly successful in its essential offensive quality, disposition and determination to free Cuba, a volatile and dangerous public opinion will reflect its angry mood toward losses to Communism throughout the entire world. Without a modicum of respect, such a mood could rebel in revulsive repudiation of its traditional bounds against the untraditional escalation of intrusive and compulsive accommodation. Respectfully, Edwin A. Walker --------------------- END ATTACHMENT ----------------- In the above letter, reproduced by Paul, General Walker refers to the Fulbright Memorandum. That memorandum has been discussed before on this Forum. In his book J. William Fulbright, Vietnam, and the Search for a Cold War Foreign Policy, author Randall Bennett Woods provides some interesting back story on Fulbright and that memorandum. http://books.google.com/books?id=Jtfq2gDSVRoC&pg=PA36&dq=freedom's+judas-goat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OdhXT8uUBKrA0AHz7JDDDw&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=freedom's%20judas-goat&f=false Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted March 8, 2012 Share Posted March 8, 2012 In the above letter, reproduced by Paul, General Walker refers to the Fulbright Memorandum. That memorandum has been discussed before on this Forum. In his book J. William Fulbright, Vietnam, and the Search for a Cold War Foreign Policy, author Randall Bennett Woods provides some interesting back story on Fulbright and that memorandum. http://books.google.com/books?id=Jtfq2gDSVRoC&pg=PA36&dq=freedom's+judas-goat&hl=en&sa=X&ei=OdhXT8uUBKrA0AHz7JDDDw&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=freedom's%20judas-goat&f=false Thanks, Michael, for highlighting this historical document. Here's a quick summary for those new to this thread. In June, 1961, Senator J.W. Fulbright, chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, wrote a 22-page letter to JFK and Secretary of Defense Robert McNamara (today called the "Fulbright Memorandum") complaining that official Military education programs promoted as Anticommunism [like the Pro-Blue program of General Walker] were widely being exposed as political partisan propaganda in the service of the radical right-wing. It's interesting, too, than in his testimony before the Senate Subcommittee on Military Cold War Education, General Walker cited the Fulbright Memorandum as an example of the Liberal and neo-Communist attack on his "ultra" or "superpatriotism". Best regards, --Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Trejo Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 (edited) ... My theory suggest nothing having to do with Walker's political beliefs. When you get into his military record you will find a man who follows orders with blind obedience...He did not need to be involved only following orders as he did throughout his military career. ... The Cold War was a War against Communism and Walker was a foot soldier in that war that believed in what he was doing. As I stated before he was blindly obedient. ... Jim Root Jim, as I believe Walker's Open Letter to JFK on 26Sep62 showed, Walker was also capable of harshly criticizing those in the highest offices. To emphasize my point, I want to share something I recently found in the Julia Knecht Collection of the Briscoe Center for American History. (Julia Knecht was General Edwin Walker's secretary.) On that very same day, 26Sep62, General Walker went on KYKH radio in Lousiana and delivered the following public broadcast advertisement, calling for a massive march against JFK's deployment of Federal Troops at Oxford University in Mississippi to enforce the law allowing a qualifying black American to attend a traditionally all-white college: ------------- BEGIN ATTACHMENT ----------- "Mississippi: It is time to move. We have talked, listened and been pushed around far too much by the anti-Christ Supreme Court! Rise...to a stand beside Governor Ross Barnett at Jackson Mississippi! Now is the time to be heard! Thousands strong from every State in the Union! Rally to the cause of freedom! The Battle Cry of the Republic! Barnett yes! Castro no! Bring your flag, your tent and your skillet. It's now or never! The time is when the President of the United States commits or uses any troops, Federal or State, in Mississippi! The last time in such a situation I was on the wrong side. That was in Little Rock Arkansas in 1957-1958. This time -- out of uniform -- I am on the right side! I will be there! Unconstitutional -- as it was in Little Rock in 1957-1958 -- there is no law for forced integration! Only the Congress could make it -- it has not! The 10th Amendment precludes rights reserved to States. Oaths have been abided -- up to 1933 -- by Presidents. The Monroe Doctrine is more than an expression of National Policy. It is an expression of unity in cause and purpose in the Union of States. Harboring or shielding communist Cuba in our midst is a direct threat to the State of the Union! Fulbright has said that there is no need for the public to know about our National Policy or Communism. Is this why? Who is mad at the wrong time? I hear no statements from him on Cuba. Where are all these liberals that are screaming about Military supremacy? Who is using the Military for his own supremacy? You don't have to be in uniform to be a dictator; or in this case, I would say your Commander-in-Chief has donned a uniform to establish a Military dictatorship! The liberals are frustrated! They are acting like rats on a sinking ship since Castro came aboard! --------------------- END ATTACHMENT --------------------- It seems to me, Jim, that one of the reasons that Walker quit the military (and forfeited his pension) was because he wanted to stop being a loyal foot-soldier taking orders from the likes of Eisenhower (whom Robert Welch 'demonstrated' was a full-fledged Communist) or especially the likes of JFK, who was widely regarded to be on the left of Eisenhower. Best regards, --Paul Trejo Edited March 10, 2012 by Paul Trejo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Dolva Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Walker was never '' blindly obedient '' . He he denied his sexual orientation, it remained as an influence in how it expressed itself. He regretted his Little Rock role. He disobeyed the Commander in Chief. He was an insurrectionist. He wasn't even obedient to himself. He was an egomaniac who through his complex personality was a perfect candidate for a controlled middleman who organised the assassination for his masters and therein his conflicted self found some role that assuaged whatever awareness of his conscience he had and ensured his perpetual cooperation in the coverup. Any statement that the enemy is without, not within, is flawed in the sense that people like Walker will always blame the without in order to avoid the inner self. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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