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Had the CIA plotters planted photos of the real Oswald and phone conversations of a guy whose voice could pass for Oswald's in their Mexico City surveillance data, the FBI investigation would not have discovered the (fabricated) Oswald/Cuban/Russian conspiracy to kill the president.

I believe that the plotters intentionally used non-Oswald photos and phone transcriptions in order to tip off the FBI assassination investigation to the (fabricated) fact that Oswald was involved in a conspiracy. And that they used KGB officer Nikolai S. Leonov's photo to bolster the case for Russian conspiracy. They even had a Leonov look-alike (rather than an Oswald look-alike) appear at the Cuban Consulate to support the surveillance photo of him.

 

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On 1/11/2019 at 7:52 PM, James DiEugenio said:

BA:

There were three people who taped it.  One was Len Osanic.

He played one of his tapes, that of David Josephs, about ten days ago.

I think he will be playing them one by one over time.

Max Good also taped it, he may put his on Vimeo.  I will let you know if he does. 

 

PS: Robert, that article was written by John Newman in 2003.  

Thanks Jim.

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On this week's Black Op Radio, I comment on this issue briefly since Len was at the private Gary Aguilar seminar in San Fran and he previously played the David Josephs presentation.

 

I think I have said this before, but in a nutshell what I think David is ultimately going to do is redefine the whole Mexico City scenario.  He is going to do it based upon the latest documents that the CIA did not want to declassify.  I believe that in the end, these will be the new tenets of MC:

1. Oswald was not in Mexico City.

2. The short blonde guy did the charade.

3. Ochoa and Echeverria set up the phony transportation materials up and back.

4. Phillips worked on the tapes and transcripts  at the embassies, with Goodpasture covering up for him.

5.  Once Hoover finally did some work in this area, he understood that is was all a pile of paper mache.  He admitted this in private but not in public.

 

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On 1/16/2019 at 11:26 AM, James DiEugenio said:

On this week's Black Op Radio, I comment on this issue briefly since Len was at the private Gary Aguilar seminar in San Fran and he previously played the David Josephs presentation.

 

I think I have said this before, but in a nutshell what I think David is ultimately going to do is redefine the whole Mexico City scenario.  He is going to do it based upon the latest documents that the CIA did not want to declassify.  I believe that in the end, these will be the new tenets of MC:

1. Oswald was not in Mexico City.

2. The short blonde guy did the charade.

3. Ochoa and Echeverria set up the phony transportation materials up and back.

4. Phillips worked on the tapes and transcripts  at the embassies, with Goodpasture covering up for him.

5.  Once Hoover finally did some work in this area, he understood that is was all a pile of paper mache.  He admitted this in private but not in public.

 

Now with those fascinating bullet points Jim, if we could narrow down the focus to what Morales/Harvey/AMOTS (basically JM/WAVE/FBI, etc) were specifically up to down there we’ll have an even clearer picture. I also listened to your BlackOpRadio audio. Good listening as always. You and Len actually have me laughing out loud sometimes while out and about.

Edited by B. A. Copeland

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On ‎1‎/‎5‎/‎2019 at 11:05 AM, François Carlier said:

I read a lot about conspiracy theories. I always find the same kind of flawed reasoning with other subjects.
- you find all kinds of "problems" with the Kennedy assassination investigation
- likewise, other authors find all kinds of "problems" with the 9/11 investigation
- likewise, other authors find all kinds of "problems" with the Marylin Monroe simple death
- likewise, other authors find all kinds of "problems" with the nazi death camps shoah (have you read books or articles by people who claim that the gaz chambers never existed ? It's the same kind of James DiEugenio's style of arguments. Go ahead, check for yourself.)
- likewise, other authors find all kinds of "problems" with the moon landing
- likewise, other authors find all kinds of "problems" with the death of Nicole Brown (they even claim that they can "prove" that OJ was innocent. I can assure you, when I listen to them, they talk exactly like you)
- likewise, other authors find all kinds of "problems" with the TWA 800 flight that exploded
- etc, and so on, so forth…

Francois,

of course you forgot to put on your list "conspiracy theories" that DID turn out to be true.

Such as:

- the NSA spying on Internet users

- Iran/Contra

- Propaganda Due

- Operation Gladio

- MK/Ultra

- etc.

or my personal favorite: how NATO tried to kill Qaddafi and accidentally shot down a passenger jet killing 80 innocent people. --> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/28/italy-ustica-plane-crash-missile

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/world/europe/itavia-flight-870-ruling-adds-support-to-a-theory.html

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2 hours ago, Mathias Baumann said:

Francois,

of course you forgot to put on your list "conspiracy theories" that DID turn out to be true.

Such as:

- the NSA spying on Internet users

- Iran/Contra

- Propaganda Due

- Operation Gladio

- MK/Ultra

- etc.

or my personal favorite: how NATO tried to kill Qaddafi and accidentally shot down a passenger jet killing 80 innocent people. --> https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jan/28/italy-ustica-plane-crash-missile

https://www.nytimes.com/2013/02/11/world/europe/itavia-flight-870-ruling-adds-support-to-a-theory.html

Agree - painting all conspiracies with the same brush is a mistake. No one here thinks moon landings were faked (I hope). I would go further and add a conspiracy theory of my own, which is that obviously ridiculous theories are created in order to obscure conspiracy fact. 

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"the TWA 800 flight that exploded"

Carlier, find us some accounts of other modern passenger jets that spontaneously "exploded" in mid-air, absent a bomb or missile.

Edited by David Andrews

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Let's not forget the Abraham Lincoln assassination, which was not only a conspiracy, but featured an assassin that couldn't wait to take credit for his crime.

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How about all the Presidential assassinations, along with the ex's, and done by the same group?

I think Knight of Malta William Casey had an extreme effect on our own FC.

https://ibb.co/gSDxTqX

Casey may have been taken out himself because of having a big mouth.

 

 

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https://ibb.co/G5gcjg9

3) spreading “disinformation” to news agencies.  (first paragraph)

So let's add Operation Mockingbird to the list.

“Now along comes Bill Casey, the doddering CIA director, with the argument that the government has the right to mislead the public by planting phony stories in the press.” 

Casey's not only arguing for his disinfo campaign, but also for the govt's right to wage it

I find one strange thing about this website.  Why do you guys put faith in the FBI investigation of JFK?  I can't contribute to this site, because i don't believe a word the FBI says, and you guys are always talking about depositions, and of course, that's your perfect right.

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A Prayer for All LNers

Lord god, I am at a loss for words.  I’m not sure how to pray for this difficult situation, but I know you promise that you hear our prayers, so I want to start praying now.   Please help FC to see the truth, and if he’s shilling, then bring your wrath until he stops shilling.  Please help us overcome all that the LNers try to throw our way.  Thank you for not allowing any of us to become mentally ill while debating the nonsense of the WC.   Amen

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Francois arguments go like this:

I know there was no conspiracy or coverup because (any one of the following):

  1. ....the people allegedly involved say so.
  2. ....a certain smart person says so.
  3. ....I believe so.

He seems to be fully incapable of critical reasoning.

 

Edited by Sandy Larsen

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The conspiracy that's garnered the most mainstream acceptance -- CIA drug smuggling.

 

Edited by Cliff Varnell

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BTW,  recall that Mark Lane wrote that at a debate at UCLA, Phillips said when the record was finally compiled, there would be no evidence that Oswald ever was at the Russian embassy in Mexico City.

 

Has anyone ever located this tape?  Or perhaps heard it?  Where is it?

Edited by James DiEugenio

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1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

BTW,  recall that Mark Lane wrote that at a debate at UCLA, Phillips said when the record was finally compiled, there would be no evidence that Oswald ever was at the Russian embassy in Mexico City.

 

Has anyone ever located this tape?  Or perhaps heard it?  Where is it?

No answer to that, but I’d like to add that there are Russians at the MC embassy who swear Oswald was there. Personally I think they are lying, which would be an important puzzle piece if so. Why lie in support of a CIA fabrication? 

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