Guest Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Ran across this just now, thanks to Malcolm Blunt. From the Harry Livingstone archives. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 6 hours ago, B. A. Copeland said: Ive read that Kaminsky noted (and cleared) TSBD personnel exiting the bldg. I’ve also read before that LHO’s name was at the top of that list... B.A., If you are thinking of the list of TSBD employees that comprise CE 2003, I don't think that is the list of names Kaminsky was writing down. I say that because there are several names of people on that list who were outside during the shooting and were not allowed back in the building. I don't know what happened to Kaminsky's list, and I still don't know where the 605 Elsbeth St. address came from. Warren Commission Exhibit 2003, located in (24H259) is a list submitted to Captain Gannaway through Lieutenant Jack Revill of Texas School Book Depository employees. It is dated November 22, 1963. Heading that list is Harvey Lee Oswald at 605 Elsbeth. Page 3 of CE 2003, found on page 260, is signed by R.W. Westphal, Detective, Criminal Intelligence Section and P.M. Parks, Detective, Administrative Section. R.W. Westphal and P.M. Parks were both Detectives in the Special Service Bureau. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=277&tab=page Though that list of employees is dated 11/22/63, in Westphal's interview with Larry Sneed in No More Silence, he talks about going home, and then returning to his office at the Fairgrounds to write up his report of a man at the Trade Mart with a “Free Cuba” flag. So, I'm not sure what time of the evening that list was actually typed up. While he was writing his Report, Captain Gannaway called and asked him to check the names of the TSBD employees against the Department's Intelligence files. Westphal said, “We had handwritten, partial lists; some of them, you couldn't read the names”. You can see this reflected in the list in the entry in CE 2003 for Marg Lee Williams (actually, Mary Lee Williams) In the DPD Archives, there is no interview or affidavit for Ms. Williams, just a handwritten note with her name and address. DPD Archives, Box 3, Folder# 17, Item# 7 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm Westphal did recognize the name of one man, Joe Molina however. Gannaway instructed Westphal to “bring the entire file down to his office” https://books.google.com/books?id=7uT-47ysB5MC&pg=PA326&lpg=PA326&dq=Dallas+%22+Roy+Westphal%22&source=bl&ots=eii6yRhLo8&sig=nr0C2_dukxaBfdcQiFnDLg3ugKM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjt-9Xpi8nRAhVpwFQKHZBBDX0Q6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=Dallas%20%22%20Roy%20Westphal%22&f=false V.J. Brian testified to the Warren Commission on May 13, 1964. He told the Commission that he was a “detective in the criminal intelligence section”, as was Roy Westphal. When the shooting occurred, he was at the Trade Mart. He said that, “...four of us detectives down there got in a car and we went to the Book Depository and we arrived there a short time, I don't know what time it was, a short time after the shooting occurred. Mr. RANKIN. Who were the four you are describing now? Mr. BRIAN. Lieutenant Revill, myself, a detective, O. J. Tarver, and a detective, Roy W. Westphal and we gave a man a lift, and I don't remember whether he was a CID, I don't know the man, I don't remember whether he was a CIC agent or a CID or OSI, he was some type of, as I recall, Army intelligence man. He only describes searching the TSBD and said, " in fact, I didn't have time to (write a report of the Hosty/Revill conversation) because when I got back there (to the second floor office of the Special Service Bureau, located directly below Captain Fritz's office on the third floor ) they had a list of names they were going to start checking out and they handed me six of them and says, "Start going and checking here and here and here and checking these people." https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40#relPageId=57&tab=page (5H33) http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/brian.htm I thought it would be interesting to cross reference the employee with the person who interviewed them, and to see if they were actually interviewed, or just had an affidavit taken. Most of the interviews were conducted by Detectives in the Special Services Bureau, Batchelor Exhibit 5002 p. 3. Page 120 of the pdf file. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf although James Leavelle, Guy Rose, and E.R. Beck were Detectives in the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, Captained by Will Fritz. Batchelor Exhibit 5002 p. 28. Page 145 of the pdf file. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf The list of employees is arranged in three columns. The first column is an employee name. Some names are misspelled. The third column had their address and phone number. The second column is headed, “REF.INT.” Almost all of the names in that column have the word, “NONE” in that entry. Two names: Joe Molina and Mrs. J.E. Dean (Ruth Dean) have the letters, “INT” and a number. I believe that these are people who were listed in the Police Department's Intelligence Files, as described by Roy Westphal to Larry Sneed. And V.J. Brian in his WC testimony. If what I believe is true, I noted a couple of things: Harvey Lee Oswald was not in the DPD Intelligence Files Charles Givens, who had a record of narcotic arrests; and as such, would fall under the purview of the Special Service Bureau is listed as NONE. Is this possibly an indication that Givens was an undercover informant to the Criminal Intelligence Section of the Special Service Bureau? There is no record of an interview of Buell Wesley Frazier. There is an affidavit, but no record of this arrest by the Irving Police Department, or of the hours he spent in the Dallas Police Department Headquarters. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 36 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said: Ran across this just now, thanks to Malcolm Blunt. From the Harry Livingstone archives. Bart, You can find these memos in the DPD Archives, Box 4, Folder# 2, Item #'s 48 and 49. http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box4.htm There is a follow up interview conducted a couple of days later by Biggio and Carroll in Item# 50. What's more interesting to me is that in an interview condudcted by Biggio alone on January 31, 1964, he learned that while there was no application by Oswald in the month of November, there was a job application for former TSBD employee, Fred Kaiser in the first two weeks of December. See Box 18, Folder# 7, Item# 33. http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box18.htm Didn't Kaiser have something to with a clipboard that Oswald was supposedly using on the 22nd and was supposedly found a couple of weeks later? Look at Kaiser's references. Also, in Box 18, Folder# 7, Item# 34, we learn that Jack Ruby parked his car in the Allright Parking Garage at 1308 Commerce on a monthly basis. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) I have scanned in almost 9,000 pages so forgive me for not noticing..... Franklin Kaiser indeed Edited February 19, 2019 by Bart Kamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. A. Copeland Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) 3 hours ago, Steve Thomas said: B.A., If you are thinking of the list of TSBD employees that comprise CE 2003, I don't think that is the list of names Kaminsky was writing down. I say that because there are several names of people on that list who were outside during the shooting and were not allowed back in the building. I don't know what happened to Kaminsky's list, and I still don't know where the 605 Elsbeth St. address came from. Warren Commission Exhibit 2003, located in (24H259) is a list submitted to Captain Gannaway through Lieutenant Jack Revill of Texas School Book Depository employees. It is dated November 22, 1963. Heading that list is Harvey Lee Oswald at 605 Elsbeth. Page 3 of CE 2003, found on page 260, is signed by R.W. Westphal, Detective, Criminal Intelligence Section and P.M. Parks, Detective, Administrative Section. R.W. Westphal and P.M. Parks were both Detectives in the Special Service Bureau. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1140#relPageId=277&tab=page Though that list of employees is dated 11/22/63, in Westphal's interview with Larry Sneed in No More Silence, he talks about going home, and then returning to his office at the Fairgrounds to write up his report of a man at the Trade Mart with a “Free Cuba” flag. So, I'm not sure what time of the evening that list was actually typed up. While he was writing his Report, Captain Gannaway called and asked him to check the names of the TSBD employees against the Department's Intelligence files. Westphal said, “We had handwritten, partial lists; some of them, you couldn't read the names”. You can see this reflected in the list in the entry in CE 2003 for Marg Lee Williams (actually, Mary Lee Williams) In the DPD Archives, there is no interview or affidavit for Ms. Williams, just a handwritten note with her name and address. DPD Archives, Box 3, Folder# 17, Item# 7 http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box3.htm Westphal did recognize the name of one man, Joe Molina however. Gannaway instructed Westphal to “bring the entire file down to his office” https://books.google.com/books?id=7uT-47ysB5MC&pg=PA326&lpg=PA326&dq=Dallas+%22+Roy+Westphal%22&source=bl&ots=eii6yRhLo8&sig=nr0C2_dukxaBfdcQiFnDLg3ugKM&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjt-9Xpi8nRAhVpwFQKHZBBDX0Q6AEIHDAA#v=onepage&q=Dallas%20%22%20Roy%20Westphal%22&f=false V.J. Brian testified to the Warren Commission on May 13, 1964. He told the Commission that he was a “detective in the criminal intelligence section”, as was Roy Westphal. When the shooting occurred, he was at the Trade Mart. He said that, “...four of us detectives down there got in a car and we went to the Book Depository and we arrived there a short time, I don't know what time it was, a short time after the shooting occurred. Mr. RANKIN. Who were the four you are describing now? Mr. BRIAN. Lieutenant Revill, myself, a detective, O. J. Tarver, and a detective, Roy W. Westphal and we gave a man a lift, and I don't remember whether he was a CID, I don't know the man, I don't remember whether he was a CIC agent or a CID or OSI, he was some type of, as I recall, Army intelligence man. He only describes searching the TSBD and said, " in fact, I didn't have time to (write a report of the Hosty/Revill conversation) because when I got back there (to the second floor office of the Special Service Bureau, located directly below Captain Fritz's office on the third floor ) they had a list of names they were going to start checking out and they handed me six of them and says, "Start going and checking here and here and here and checking these people." https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40#relPageId=57&tab=page (5H33) http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/brian.htm I thought it would be interesting to cross reference the employee with the person who interviewed them, and to see if they were actually interviewed, or just had an affidavit taken. Most of the interviews were conducted by Detectives in the Special Services Bureau, Batchelor Exhibit 5002 p. 3. Page 120 of the pdf file. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf although James Leavelle, Guy Rose, and E.R. Beck were Detectives in the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, Captained by Will Fritz. Batchelor Exhibit 5002 p. 28. Page 145 of the pdf file. https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh19/pdf/WH19_Batchelor_Ex_5002.pdf The list of employees is arranged in three columns. The first column is an employee name. Some names are misspelled. The third column had their address and phone number. The second column is headed, “REF.INT.” Almost all of the names in that column have the word, “NONE” in that entry. Two names: Joe Molina and Mrs. J.E. Dean (Ruth Dean) have the letters, “INT” and a number. I believe that these are people who were listed in the Police Department's Intelligence Files, as described by Roy Westphal to Larry Sneed. And V.J. Brian in his WC testimony. If what I believe is true, I noted a couple of things: Harvey Lee Oswald was not in the DPD Intelligence Files Charles Givens, who had a record of narcotic arrests; and as such, would fall under the purview of the Special Service Bureau is listed as NONE. Is this possibly an indication that Givens was an undercover informant to the Criminal Intelligence Section of the Special Service Bureau? There is no record of an interview of Buell Wesley Frazier. There is an affidavit, but no record of this arrest by the Irving Police Department, or of the hours he spent in the Dallas Police Department Headquarters. Steve Thomas Great read Steve. Anything that helps clarify is most welcome. Appreciate the response. Also appreciate your (and Blunt’s) scanning and sharing Barto! Edited February 19, 2019 by B. A. Copeland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 (edited) From Malcolm Blunt and no I have no idea where page 2 is. If I get it or find it I will add it. These look like HSCA notes. I hope these get your blessing Steve Edited February 19, 2019 by Bart Kamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 19, 2019 Share Posted February 19, 2019 Ok this ought to keep you busy for tonight at least heh. All from Malcolm, it does include the above 4, but amounts to 4 pgs and 71 pgs. Enjoy. HERE and HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Bart Kamp said: From Malcolm Blunt and no I have no idea where page 2 is. If I get it or find it I will add it. These look like HSCA notes. I hope these get your blessing Steve Bart, Thanks for these. You helped me understand a little bit of something I've been puzzled about; I think... In your first image, way over on the left, it shows the 112th being assigned to the 4th Army. But, in articles in the San Antonio Express dating from the 1970's, it shows the 112th belonging to the 5th Army: The King Alfred Plan and the 112th Military Intelligence Group' March 28, 2011 http://coldcaseupdate.blogspot.com/2011/03/king-alfred-plan-and-112th-military.html AN ANTONIO EXPRESS, Wednesday, March 4, 1970 Army's Civilian Spying Said Ended “The 112th Military Intelligence Group is located here and was the operation which relayed information to the Data Bank for the 112th Army area although it is not part of the 4th Army. The fact the San Antonio-based 112th was among those units feeding information on the political activities o f civilians from San Antonio was confirmed by Army General Counsel Robert E. Jordan III*, at the pentagon.” San Antonio Light, October 6, 1972 “Lt. Col. Mark A. Miles has been awarded the Legion of Merit upon his retirement at Headquarters, 5th Army. The medal cited Miles' service since April 1970, as deputy commander of the 112th Military Intelligence Group at 5th Army.” I think, when redesignated in 1966, it was also transferred from the 4th Army to the 5th Army, but that's just a guess on my part. HEADQUARTERS 112TH MILITARY INTELLIGENCE BRIGADE https://history.army.mil/html/books/060/60-13-1/cmhPub_60-13-1.pdf pp. 222-223 LINEAGE: (inactive) Constituted 10 May 1946 in the Army of the United States as the 112th Counter Intelligence Corps Detachment. Activated 21 May 1946 at Dallas, Texas. Allotted 26 February 1951 to the Regular Army. Re-designated 1 August 1957 as the ll2th Counter Intelligence Corps Group. Re-designated 25 July 1961 as the 112th Intelligence Corps Group. Re-designated 15 October 1966 as the ll2th Military Intelligence Group The 46-49 numbers could either be a General Order number, or perhaps page numbers from this Memo: (My guess is that it page numbers from the Memo since the word "Doug" is written in the margin of the last image you provided.). http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/ARRB/JGOSLEE/WP-DOCS/MIDRAFT.WPD.pdf MEMORANDUM May 30, 2017 TO: Douglas Horne FROM: JIM GOSLEE SUBJECT: Military Intelligence Files 1. This memo is to inform you of the nature of information contained within files identified by Steve Tilley as possible JFK Assassination Records. I haven't looked at your next posting yet, but thanks for this, I've added it to my files. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 8 hours ago, Bart Kamp said: Ok this ought to keep you busy for tonight at least heh. All from Malcolm, it does include the above 4, but amounts to 4 pgs and 71 pgs. Enjoy. HERE and HERE Bart, I'm looking at the memos you provided here, and one name caught my eye right off the bat: On page 1 of your second image of 71 pages... Stephen Weiss was a Lt. in Dallas in 1963. By 1971, he had been promoted to the rank of Major, and was the Public Information Officer for the whole 112th.... SAN ANTONIO EXPRESS Friday, February 26, 1971 By ALICE MURPHY "Major Stephen Weiss, public information officer for the 112th, said he had been advised, politely, to have all calls on the matter referred to the Information Office of the Department of the Army in Washington, and gave two telephone numbers there. Neither answered Thursday evening.” Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 9 hours ago, Bart Kamp said: Ok this ought to keep you busy for tonight at least heh. All from Malcolm, it does include the above 4, but amounts to 4 pgs and 71 pgs. Enjoy. HERE and HERE Bart, Do you have any idea what the "Code 30" references are on pp. 35 and 36 of your second post? https://drive.google.com/file/d/1HWZoEXgUY8HyfMyxGrCIPOiWpB9-86_r/view Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Price Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 Steve, according to a Google search, code 30 is the Navy National Security Litigation (US Navy JAG Corps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 5 hours ago, Richard Price said: Steve, according to a Google search, code 30 is the Navy National Security Litigation (US Navy JAG Corps. Richard, Thank you. Here's a transcript of an ARRB interview with Donald Monier. http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/ARRB/CBARGER/WP-DOCS/MONIER.WPD.pdf Look at the bottom of page 5 and the top of page 6. Slipped up there a little bit, didn't he? *smile* Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B. A. Copeland Posted February 20, 2019 Share Posted February 20, 2019 1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said: Richard, Thank you. Here's a transcript of an ARRB interview with Donald Monier. http://documents.theblackvault.com/documents/jfk/NARA-Oct2017/ARRB/CBARGER/WP-DOCS/MONIER.WPD.pdf Look at the bottom of page 5 and the top of page 6. Slipped up there a little bit, didn't he? *smile* Steve Thomas Oh wow lol!, "Harvey Os..." indeed Monier... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 7, 2019 Share Posted May 7, 2019 (edited) Pentagon files including 4th Army Intelligence Group from Fort Sam Houston. This file is 150 MB big and requires you to d/l it. Edited May 7, 2019 by Bart Kamp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted May 29, 2019 Share Posted May 29, 2019 Robert Reich 316th Military Intelligence Group. Digitised by me from Malcolm Blunt's archive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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