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46 minutes ago, David Von Pein said:

Well, if Oswald actually made the statement about going out to watch the parade (which, of course, as mentioned earlier, would merely be another of LHO's lies), then such a statement SHOULD show up in some of the notes of the people who were there to hear such a statement. So there's nothing unusual about that.

But....

I don't know where you got the idea that the specific "Presidential Parade" statement shows up anywhere in the notes or reports of J.W. Fritz and Harry Holmes. As far as I know, neither Fritz nor Holmes said anything about LHO saying he watched the "P. Parade".

Please provide the citations for Fritz and Holmes saying any such thing. Thanks.

(And Fritz' "Out with Bill Shelley in front" note certainly doesn't qualify.)

David, I'm referring to Fritz and Holmes WC testimony. I'm sure you know it.

Holmes said that Oswald said he 'had come out to this front part' at 'the front entrance to the first floor'.... That is the TSBD doorway.

Fritz said that Oswald said he came outside and 'saw all the excitement'. Oswald couldn't have seen the excitement from the 2nd floor lunchroom. It was windowless.

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38 minutes ago, François Carlier said:

At best, it is not an alibi, it is a statement.
Besides, they do not say that Oswald was outside "when" the president passed by. You know very well that they didn't think that Oswald was outside when Kennedy passed by, since they believed that Oswald was shooting from the sixth floor. Therefore, they couldn't have meant to say that he was outside at the time the motorcade passed by. At best, they wrote that down in an effort to quote Oswald, knowing full well that he was lying.

You've inadvertently raised an important issue here. The difference between Oswald's statements about where he was and his actual official signed Statement.

Unfortunately we don't have an official Statement from Oswald do we. 

We only have the notes of his interrogators and they say that that Oswald said he was 'in the vestibule', 'come out to this front part', at 'the front entrance to the first floor', 'saw the excitement' etc.

If Oswald had ever been allowed to give an official Statement it would have contained all this information about his whereabouts which would have technically been known as his alibi. Whether it was true or not would have been up to the courts to decide. But we never even got to hear that alibi did we.

Why do you think we don't have an actual Statement from Oswald? He was charged with shooting the President. Where was his Statement?

 

 

 

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On ‎2‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 7:57 AM, John Butler said:

\\\\\Bart,

Most young people in the US can not read anything cursive or hand writing.  The practice of teaching cursive hand writing stopped in the 1990s or there abouts and students today are taught writing with block capitals.

This is just another of many degradations of the American educational system.

John,

That's not true.  My wife is a 3rd grade teacher and they teach cursive to their students.  Just to be sure it wasn't just her school district, I called the Rockwood School District (the best in Missouri and one of the best in the nation) and they teach it, then I called a private school (Torah Prep in Missouri) and they teach it, then I called a rural school district Troy RIII and they still teach it.  Now as the students get older and the teachers get more lazy, in middle school and high school the teachers write on the board with manuscript so some of the skills might get lost.  But it is still a requirement, at least in the state of Missouri.

Edited by Rich Pope

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On ‎2‎/‎9‎/‎2019 at 6:12 PM, Bart Kamp said:

Whether they do or not is besides the point.

You have no place in here as you run off with your tail between yer legs all the time any way . 

Now off you go, I'd like to see this thread not being soiled by you any further.

 

Bart,

 

DVP is the kind of person who believes that negative publicity is better than no publicity at all.  I honestly think that everyone should just place him on ignore and never respond to anything he has to say.  He'll get bored and move on.  

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Rich,

1 hour ago, Rich Pope said:

John,

That's not true.  My wife is a 3rd grade teacher and they teach cursive to their students.  Just to be sure it wasn't just her school district, I called the Rockwood School District (the best in Missouri and one of the best in the nation) and they teach it, then I called a private school (Torah Prep in Missouri) and they teach it, then I called a rural school district Troy RIII and they still teach it.  Now as the students get older and the teachers get more lazy, in middle school and high school the teachers write on the board with manuscript so some of the skills might get lost.  But it is still a requirement, at least in the state of Missouri.

Thanks for pointing that out.  Here in the county in which I live and taught for nearly 30 years has done away with cursive writing about 2000 or just a few years later.  I may be wrong but, I think most of the country has done the same.  I am glad to hear that some people in some places have conserved the traditional way of doing things.  At least those folks in those areas will still be able to read documents from the past and not lose the ability to know history first hand. 

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5 minutes ago, John Butler said:

Rich,

Thanks for pointing that out.  Here in the county in which I live and taught for nearly 30 years has done away with cursive writing about 2000 or just a few years later.  I may be wrong but, I think most of the country has done the same.  I am glad to hear that some people in some places have conserved the traditional way of doing things.  At least those folks in those areas will still be able to read documents from the past and not lose the ability to know history first hand. 

John,

When the kids ask "why" they have to learn cursive they are told because without it, they would not be able to read any of the founding father's documents like the Declaration of Independence or the Constitution of the United States.  I'm not sure the kids really want to read these documents, but that's the reason given.

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2 hours ago, Vanessa Loney said:

You've inadvertently raised an important issue here. The difference between Oswald's statements about where he was and his actual official signed Statement.

Unfortunately we don't have an official Statement from Oswald do we. 

We only have the notes of his interrogators and they say that that Oswald said he was 'in the vestibule', 'come out to this front part', at 'the front entrance to the first floor', 'saw the excitement' etc.

If Oswald had ever been allowed to give an official Statement it would have contained all this information about his whereabouts which would have technically been known as his alibi. Whether it was true or not would have been up to the courts to decide. But we never even got to hear that alibi did we.

Why do you think we don't have an actual Statement from Oswald? He was charged with shooting the President. Where was his Statement?

 

 

 

Every police interrogation I've ever seen in the movies or on tv shows the first thing every interrogation begins with...the police plopping down a tape recorder and hitting the record button.  Yet, the Dallas Police didn't do this.  Hmm....They said the room was small.  Too small for a compact tape recorder?  Give me a break.

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Rich,

Cursive writing, once learned, is a faster, easier way to communicate by writing.  The problem is reading what those who do not practice writing correctly, such as young students, write.  As a teacher you learn to deal with that.  It has served for centuries and I see no reason to chance things.  But, I am not in control.

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5 minutes ago, John Butler said:

Rich,

Cursive writing, once learned, is a faster, easier way to communicate by writing.  The problem is reading what those who do not practice writing correctly, such as young students, write.  As a teacher you learn to deal with that.  It has served for centuries and I see no reason to chance things.  But, I am not in control.

I don't want it changed at all.  Besides, what female wants a Valentine's Day card written in block letters?  How romantic is that?  Guys, step-up your game!  Practice your cursive and throw in a few love letters to your better half!

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I think the reason that Oswald did not give a statement was that he never had an attorney.

Also, because the police never plopped down a pen and paper and asked him to write down what he was doing that day from noon on.

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2 hours ago, Rich Pope said:

I don't want it changed at all.  Besides, what female wants a Valentine's Day card written in block letters?  How romantic is that?  Guys, step-up your game!  Practice your cursive and throw in a few love letters to your better half!

Ditto!

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45 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

I think the reason that Oswald did not give a statement was that he never had an attorney.

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"he never had an attorney." Having one would of screwed up the goings on at the DPD that afternoon/evening, for SURE.

Edited by David G. Healy

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By the way,  has DVP had a couple of bad weeks in a row or what?

First, he looked silly with the wallet found at 10th and Patton.  Which his mentor, Vince Bugliosi, actually wrote was Tippit's wallet.  In my book, The JFK Assassination: The Evidence Today, I showed this was provably wrong.  But somehow Davey failed to note this in his puff piece "review" of the door stop.

Now, he is desperately trying to escape this new evidence through semantics, plus the fact that Oswald was never allowed the opportunity to write his own declaration.

I mean, talk about desperation time.

Edited by James DiEugenio

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Let's not enable paid pro-government trolls such as DVP by responding to them. That plays into their hands. They

keep trying to tie up forums with their false claims in order to distract

from real discussions and evidence, and they are successful.

Edited by Joseph McBride

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