Amazing Psychic Prediction by the Man Called "Lee Harvey Oswald"

[Jim Hargrove]

Considering her involvement with Harvey and Marina and her nearly limitless help locating new “evidence” against the patsy, Ruth Paine’s relationship, including her initial contact, with “LHO” should have been put under a microscope.  But exploration of this potentially much earlier contact appears to have been deliberately avoided by Jenner.  This is yet another smoking gun in the FBI/WC’s increasingly obvious murder of the truth in this case.

[Paul Jolliffe]

On 4/14/2019 at 7:32 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

Considering her involvement with Harvey and Marina and her nearly limitless help locating new “evidence” against the patsy, Ruth Paine’s relationship, including her initial contact, with “LHO” should have been put under a microscope.  But exploration of this potentially much earlier contact appears to have been deliberately avoided by Jenner.  This is yet another smoking gun in the FBI/WC’s increasingly obvious murder of the truth in this case.

While I am in danger of overreaching here, it seems possible that "Oswald's" parents/guardians/caretakers knew the senior Hyde's in New York or New Jersey in the 1940's. (Dr Carl D. Hyde, a 1948 graduate of Antioch and Ruth's older brother, had returned to Yellow Springs beginning in 1954 to practice medicine. )

If our "Oswald" really did attend Antioch briefly in the 1957, and if John A's theory that Ruth Paine and "Oswald" had originally been pen pals is true, then Carl Hyde certainly would have met/known of "Oswald" and may well have been his host during that brief period. (While doubtless Carl Hyde  would never admit that, he might possibly admit that he occasionally entertained/dined with/put up students at his home. Which would be a significant step forward!)

Note that the parents of Ruth and Carl were socialists, and that Carl first heard about Antioch College while attending  the Bronx School of Science in the 1940's. That tells us there was a small but real pipeline in the 1940's between the Bronx and Antioch College - that hotbed of social justice activism and "radicals." 

Some socialist in the Bronx was steering bright young people (and persuading their parents) to Antioch College. 

And the Hyde's responded.

Did "Oswald" later, very briefly heed the call?

https://ysnews.com/news/2016/11/a-habit-of-caring-and-aging-well

 

Edited April 16, 2019 by Paul Jolliffe

[Paul Jolliffe]

Note, too the misdirection of this Columbus Dispatch article published on December 3,  1963 - a "high ranking police officer" "checking reports Oswald visited the campus in Yellow Springs two months ago."

Two months earlier was early October. Our man "Oswald" was (officially, anyway) on his way back from his Mexican sojourn. (Since "Oswald" never actually went to Mexico, we can't say for certain where he was.)

By focusing on 1963, any vague memories of "Oswald" on campus back in 1957 would become blurred and confused. When the official story came down that, no, "Oswald" had not been on campus (in 1963) that may well have closed the case for any few who might have remembered otherwise.

Was this a classic "limited hang-out"? 

Admit there was something to the idea that "Oswald" might have been on campus, but then destroy it by going after the wrong time frame?

I wonder.

http://enews.antiochcollege.org/2013/12/songs-stacks/did-oswald-make-recent-antioch-visit

 

[Jim Hargrove]

Paul,

Thank you for the article links.  This is very interesting.

Seems entirely possible to me that focusing on 1963 instead of 1957 was a clever misdirection.  It reminds me of the following:

The FBI became aware of reports that a “Lee Harvey Oswald” was active in New York City political demonstrations in early 1962, while Classic Oswald® was still in the Soviet Union. The reports indicated that the New York Oswald was staying with some other operatives at the Roosevelt Hotel in midtown Manhattan.

In order to examine this claim, the FBI sent agents to the Roosevelt Hotel--in New Orleans!  A very careful examination of records at the wrong hotel yielded (surprise!) no evidence that “Lee Harvey Oswald” stayed there.  John A’s write-up about this is here:

THE STORY OF TWO STEVEN LANDESBERGS

[Paul Jolliffe]

18 hours ago, Jim Hargrove said:

Paul,

Thank you for the article links.  This is very interesting.

Seems entirely possible to me that focusing on 1963 instead of 1957 was a clever misdirection.  It reminds me of the following:

The FBI became aware of reports that a “Lee Harvey Oswald” was active in New York City political demonstrations in early 1962, while Classic Oswald® was still in the Soviet Union. The reports indicated that the New York Oswald was staying with some other operatives at the Roosevelt Hotel in midtown Manhattan.

In order to examine this claim, the FBI sent agents to the Roosevelt Hotel--in New Orleans!  A very careful examination of records at the wrong hotel yielded (surprise!) no evidence that “Lee Harvey Oswald” stayed there.  John A’s write-up about this is here:

THE STORY OF TWO STEVEN LANDESBERGS

Jim,

Yes  I have read John's work about the Steven Landesbergs. Fascinating stuff.

On a different note:

Tangentially related to the possible Ruth Paine/"Oswald"/Antioch College connection, I found the following students at Antioch College had graduated from the Bronx School of Science between 1948 and 1964:

Dr. Carl D. Hyde (Ruth's brother) (Antioch 1948)

Dr. Howard S. Schwartz (Antioch 1964) Professor of Psychology 

Dr. Hannah Goldberg (Antioch 1955) Professor of History and Philosophy

Dr. Steven T. Hauser (Antioch 1956) Professor of Psychiatry (at Harvard)

Dr. Frances Degen Horowitz (Antioch 1954) Developmental Psychology

Dava Sobel (attended Antioch after graduating from the Bronx School of Science in 1964, but transferred to another college) World Renowned Science Writer and Author

Leslie Bingham Williams (Antioch 1956) Apparently an editor

I think it is safe to say that there definitely was (and maybe still is) a connection between the Bronx School of Science and Antioch College. Somebody was directing kids from the Bronx School of Science to Antioch College for years.

"Oswald" spent some time in the Bronx between 1952 and 1954, officially. 

For the discerning reader, there is another link between five of the above, one that may give us some insight into "Oswald's" unusual proficiency with languages (English, Russian, and apparently at least some Spanish, German and Yiddish).

 

[Karl Hilliard]

On 4/14/2019 at 6:32 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

Considering her involvement with Harvey and Marina and her nearly limitless help locating new “evidence” against the patsy, Ruth Paine’s relationship, including her initial contact, with “LHO” should have been put under a microscope.  But exploration of this potentially much earlier contact appears to have been deliberately avoided by Jenner.  This is yet another smoking gun in the FBI/WC’s increasingly obvious murder of the truth in this case.

I  believe Priscilla Johnson McMillan assisted in some 'evidence' location also.  Anyway-- I had run across this document which had made it's way into the archives...

Notice that the letter was addressed to 'Esteemed citizen Harvey Oswald'. In the Russian life, children's middle names are designated [invariably] after their father's first name. For example...

Marina Nikolayevna Oswald-Porter (Prusakova) Russian: Марина Николаевна Освальд Портер (Прусакова)
Birthdate:	July 17, 1941
Birthplace:	Severodvinsk, Gorod Severodvinsk, Arkhangelsk Oblast, Russia
Immediate Family:	Daughter of Nikolay Prusakov Widow of Lee Harvey Oswald   That the letter addresses Harvey and not Lee just might be a fluke. It is remarkable how all these documents managed to come to light.

[Jim Hargrove]

That’s interesting, Karl.  Thank you, and I agree completely about Priscilla Johnson.

John A has noted how often the name  “Harvey Oswald” (without the “Lee”) appears in assassination documents.  Here's his own summary.  The specifics appear in various places in the book.

NOTE: The name "Harvey" Oswald was first used in North Dakota in the summer of
1953 and then at Beauregard Junior High in early 1954. "Harvey Oswald" is found
in numerous Soviet documents and US State Department Security files from 1959-1962.
In the fall of 1962 Oswald wrote "Harvey" in John Pic's address book and was used
by George DeMohrenschildt in 1962-1963. In the summer of 1963 the name "Harvey
Oswald" was used in New Orleans Police documents, FBI documents, CIA documents,
and by Ruth Paine. Following the assassination we find the name "Harvey Oswald"
used continuously by the FBI, Secret Service, CIA, military intelligence, Dallas Police,
Dallas Sheriffs, and in the Warren Volumes.

--from H&L, p. 599

[Steve Thomas]

2 hours ago, Karl Hilliard said:

 I had run across this document which had made it's way into the archives...

Notice that the letter was addressed to 'Esteemed citizen Harvey Oswald'

That the letter addresses Harvey and not Lee just might be a fluke.

Karl,

Thank you for this. Could you please provide the exact bibliographic citation where this can be found? Is it online anywhere?

Even though the letter does not use the name "Harvey Lee", I am going to add this to my running compilation of "Harvey Lee Oswald" references. (I have 30 of them so far).

I don't think the name Harvey Oswald is a fluke. I was also intrigued/excited about the designation of "Citizen Harvey"and the date of the letter, May 3, 1961.

On page 433 of CE Exhibit (CE 985), it says that “Citizen” Harvey Lee Oswald was hired as a regulator at the Minsk Radio Plant on January 13, 1960.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1135#relPageId=447&tab=page

 

Steve Thomas

 

Edited September 9, 2019 by Steve Thomas

[Steve Thomas]

On 4/11/2019 at 11:41 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

Bouhe's recollections are confirmed by Gary Taylor who told the Warren Commission that he remembered Oswald was living at the "Coz-I-Eight Apartments," 1404 North Beckley, in South Oak Cliff.134 [H&L p. 416]

Oswald moved out of 1404 North Beckley on November 3, 1962,

Jim,

 

I wouldn't hold too firm on this address of 1404.

In her Chronologies for October, 1962 (on page 78) Mary Ferrell locates the Coz-I-Eight apartments at 1306.N.Beckley.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40390#relPageId=78&tab=page

Is it possible that Oswald (or someone posing as Oswald) who applied for PO Box 6225 on November 1, 1963 remembered the apartment complex, but transposed the numbers? He listed his home address as 3610 N. Beckley.  (This wouldn't be the first time Oswald was known to have transposed numbers).

https://texashistory.unt.edu/ark:/67531/metapth337065/m1/1/

In his WC testimony, Gary Taylor himself said,

Gary Taylor's WC testimony at 2:00 PM March 25, 1964

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/taylor1.htm

" gave that information to Agent Yelchek of the FBI. I don't know what he----
Mr. JENNER. What location was that?
Mr. TAYLOR. I gave him the exact street address---but it seems to me like it was---well, the name of the apartment building was the Coz-I-Eight [spelling] C-o-z---I---E-i-g-h-t--apartments, and I thing (sic)  they were located at 1404 North Beckley. But the address I could be off on; but the name I do remember."

 

Steve Thomas

 

 

Edited September 9, 2019 by Steve Thomas

[Steve Thomas]

Reading through Mary Ferrell’s Chronologies for the month of October, beginning from around October 8 – October 14^th. she asks “where does Oswald spend the night?”

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=40390#relPageId=77&tab=page

pp. 77-80.

 

 

Steve Thomas

Edited May 4, 2023 by Steve Thomas

[Karl Hilliard]

1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:

Karl, Thank you for this. Could you please provide the exact bibliographic citation where this can be found? Is it online anywhere?

 

Oops!  I usually provide links    https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0129b.htm

[Steve Thomas]

29 minutes ago, Karl Hilliard said:

Oops!  I usually provide links    https://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh16/html/WH_Vol16_0129b.htm

Karl,

Thank you.

Steve

[Guest]

On 4/10/2019 at 4:46 PM, Jim Hargrove said:

Well, he was different--when he left the only thing he done was he wrote in to the plant and told us where to send his check to. He said he was up there in Irving somewhere I--don't remember the address or exactly what place it was, but as far as I know that was it.

The answer couldn't possibly be as simple as that Mr. Bargas "don't remember … exactly what place it was," could it?

According to page 127 of The Mind of Oswald by Diane Holloway, a retired Dallas psychologist, the text of the note that Oswald actually wrote to Leslie Welding on October 9, 1962 read as follows:

Dear Sirs:  This is to explain that I have moved permanently to Dallas, Texas, where I have found other employment.  I ask that my check for work preformed [sic] during the week October 1-8 be forwarded to me now, and the other check coming to me from my first week of work be forwarded as soon as possible.  I further request that my name be withdrawn from those whom you presently employ.  Very respectfully, Lee H. Oswald Box 2915 Dallas, Texas."

Holloway footnotes this but the Google Preview did not include the footnote page so I don't know what her reference was.  You can view the handwritten letter here, https://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/reportvols/vol8/html/HSCA_Vol8_0166a.htm, where it is misidentified as having been dated "July 13, 1962," which it obviously wasn't since it refers to "October 1-8."  Oswald didn't begin working at Leslie Welding until July 17, 1962 and his last day was October 8th.

How come it always takes me roughly 90 seconds to solve these "mysteries"?  Meanwhile, all you sooper-dooper researchers have gone off on eight different tangents.  Does this ever become embarrassing for you?

And so it goes in the Conspiracy Game, Harvey & Lee Edition.

[W. Tracy Parnell]

30 minutes ago, Lance Payette said:

Holloway footnotes this but the Google Preview did not include the footnote page so I don't know what her reference was. 

She cites CE 820-A:

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=725&tab=page