JFK, Nasser and Israel

[James DiEugenio]

Tomorrow night on Black Op Radio, I will be discussing my watershed article in garrison magazine.  Entitled, "Kennedy Faces the Middle East", it is a review of what Kennedy's foreign policy was in that area.  I would be willing to wager no one here even knows he had a foreign policy there.  Everyone is obsessed with Cuba and Vietnam.  

Well he did.  And it was really bold and far seeing.  He wanted to become friendly with Nasser, who Foster Dulles had dumped since he would not join the Baghdad Pact. Kennedy liked him since he was a secularist, socialist and opposed to the Muslim Brotherhood.

You will learn things that the MSM will not touch and the Alternative Media will not either.  Especially Amy Goodman and Democracy Never. Kennedy was much more than just an anti colonialist.  He was the most far seeing president in foreign policy since FDR.  No one has touched him since.

Just ask yourself:  what other president forced the resignation of Israel's PM?  Well, Kennedy did.  Its all been one giant suck up since.  Which resulted in Golda Meir loading up the jets with atomic missiles during the Yom Kippur war.  Which would have not have happened had Kennedy lived.

[Ron Bulman]

I didn't know anything about his Mid East policy other than he opposed Israeli development of nuclear weapons until you wrote the article in Garrison.  Nasser as a moderator.  Trying to Imagine Peace?

https://www.bing.com/search?q=give+peace+a+chance&form=PRUSEN&mkt=en-us&httpsmsn=1&refig=35b20d8493244ef3af149c20658c1a75&sp=1&ghc=1&qs=AS&pq=give+peace+&sc=8-11&cvid=35b20d8493244ef3af149c20658c1a75 

[James DiEugenio]

Kennedy was so far ahead of everyone else on this subject that its a little mind boggling.

He was trying to use Nasser as an outlet to the moderates in the Middle East in order to avoid the extremes.  Which, of course, is all you have there now.  

He really thought that Foster Dulles made a  huge mistake in switching over to Saudi Arabia and against Nasser.

In Robert Deryfuss' book, Devil's Eye, he says that Nasser was probably the last guy who you could have formed a comprehensive peace plan with.

What surprised me in doing the research for that article is just how opposed to him the Israelis were.  When I read that stuff, I began to lose my illusions about the Israeli agenda in the Middle East according to Likud. Likud is the worst thing opposing a peace plan there.

BTW, did you know the Mossad created Hamas?

Know why?

To undermine the PLO.

Edited May 2, 2019 by James DiEugenio

[Anthony Thorne]

Not sure if you’ve seen this, which just turned up in my news feed this morning. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nuclear-vault/2019-05-02/battle-letters-1963-john-f-kennedy-david-ben-gurion-levi-eshkol-us-inspections-dimona

[James DiEugenio]

Thanks for this.  Especially from that group which is usually anti JFK.

The one thing left out if the Nasser background JFK was balancing.  I think that is importnat and will talk about it tonight.

[James DiEugenio]

My discussion of JFK, Nasser and Israel begins at about the 24 minute mark, but I deal with some other interesting topics before that.

 

http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black937a.mp3

 

BTW, isn't it something how far ahead K and K is on things, in addition to this in relation to the above linked  article, by Anthony, there was the death of McCord.

[Stephanie Goldberg]

On 5/2/2019 at 3:08 PM, Anthony Thorne said:

Not sure if you’ve seen this, which just turned up in my news feed this morning. https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nuclear-vault/2019-05-02/battle-letters-1963-john-f-kennedy-david-ben-gurion-levi-eshkol-us-inspections-dimona

You beat me to it! I saw that online today and was going to come & share it here.

[James DiEugenio]

Isn't it nice to know how far ahead K and K is before anyone else?

First, McCord, and how this.

BTW, for me the payoff in that interview is near the end.

Golda Meir had atomic bombs loaded up and ready during the Yom Kippur war when Egypt crossed the Sinai with a tank battalion.

Do you believe that?  The Israelis were holding the keys to World War III and atomic warfare in their hands because the Egyptians were crossing the Sinai!!  It was theirs since ancient times.

But this is how crazy the Middle East got after Kennedy died.  LBJ just buckled under.  And Nixon pretty much continued in that vein.

Edited May 5, 2019 by James DiEugenio

[David Andrews]

Perhaps useful for Nasser background.  Complete knowledge and veracity are other matters.

Interesting how Eisenhower and Foster Dulles refused to back Anthony Eden and Britain in the Suez invasion, which the US was invited to do before the Brits parachuted in (not mentioned in the film).  The ploy seems yo have been to force a Beitish loss, so the US could rise as the uber-colonialists.  Which led us to the Congo and Lumumba.

Interesting that Khruschchev threatened to nuke London and Paris, but not Tel Aviv.

Edited May 5, 2019 by David Andrews

[Stephanie Goldberg]

Jim - Your podcast was really good!   I thought the part about Nasser was fascinating.  The more I learn, the more I realize how much our world has changed ever since JFK was assassinated.  

[James DiEugenio]

Thanks so much Stephanie.

I have come to agree with Robert Dreyfuss, author of Devil's Eye.

Nasser was the last guy you could have consolidated an overall agreement with in the Middle East.  He was a really fascinating figure.  Not just because he was a socialist, secularist and progressive. But because he was a pan Arabist. By far, the most charismatic and appealing ruler for all Arabs in the Middle East.  That is why you could have forged an overall agreement around him. Kennedy favored him because unlike the Saudis, he was not a fundamentalist. He actually fought the Muslim Brotherhood.  There is a funny video on You Tube where he makes fun of them advocating everyone wear the hajib.

David, that is what Leonard Mosley thought. Foster Dulles did what he did during Suez to show the British that America was now in charge of the Third World. Dulles humiliated Eden to the point that Eden resigned.

 

 

Edited May 5, 2019 by James DiEugenio

[James DiEugenio]

Robert:

i appreciate a different view.

I already wrote about how Israel stole the bomb:

https://consortiumnews.com/2016/09/11/how-israel-stole-the-bomb/

As per JFK, he was rabidly non atomic proliferation, as you can see in that article.

 

[Mark Wengler]

I think JFK is the only American President to stand up to David Ben-Gurion & Israel . Also Gurion did not like that. Especially when it came to Negev Nuclear Research Center . JFK wanted inspectors to look over the Plant . Gurion said no. Same with its Nuclear Weapons Program. I think Gurion did not like anyone standing up to him. I think he sent a message to the U.S. and the world. No one tells Israel what to do.!!!!

Edited May 26, 2019 by Mark Wengler
small change.

[James DiEugenio]

I tend to agree with that.  Ben Gurion would have rather stepped down than give in.

We will never know what would have happened in this game of chicken though.  Since LBJ essentially gave them a blank check.

The other thing to note is that once France pulled out of the Dimona deal under DeGaulle, DeGaulle had his foreign minister send JFK a message that Israel was building an atomic weapon. But he also tried to tell JFK that the Israelis were now shopping around for uranium and WGP (weapons grade plutonium).

The incredible irony on that is that the Israelis ended up stealing the materials from the USA. As can be seen from my review above of the Roger Mattson book on the subject.  So the Israelis lied their heads off to Kennedy about Dimona, and they then set up a shell company in Pennsylvania to steal the fissionable materials from the AEC to make the bombs.

In 1973, Moshe Dayan actually proposed using the bombs to stop the Egyptian advance across the Sinai.

One of the nuttiest things I ever heard.

 

Edited May 27, 2019 by James DiEugenio

[Ron Bulman]

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

I tend to agree with that.  Ben Gurion would have rather stepped down than give in.

We will never know what would have happened in this game of chicken though.  Since LBJ essentially gave them a blank check.

The other thing to note is that once France pulled out of the Dimona deal under DeGaulle, DeGaulle had his foreign minister send JFK a message that Israel was building an atomic weapon. But he also tried to tell JFK that the Israelis were now shopping around for uranium and WGP (weapons grade plutonium).

The incredible irony on that is that the Israelis ended up stealing the materials from the USA. As can be seen from my review above of the Roger Mattson book on the subject.  So the Israelis lied their heads off to Kennedy about Dimona, and they then set up a shell company in Pennsylvania to steal the fissionable materials from the AEC to make the bombs.

In 1973, Moshe Dayan actually proposed using the bombs to stop the Egyptian advance across the Sinai.

One of the nuttiest things I ever heard.

 

Who let them steal the WGP, told them where it was, when it would be unprotected, after JFK was out of the way?  The keeper of the Oswald files beyond the 201?