JFK, Nasser and Israel

[James DiEugenio]

The Mossad hired Hitler's commando?

[Anthony Thorne]

Philip Willan broke the story a couple of months back. He's the author of the Gladio history THE PUPPETMASTERS, which I recommended in another thread here. He's also a correspondent for the Times and the Guardian in the UK. His Times story is paywalled, but The Australian reprinted it. Emphasis in article added by me.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/exnazis-warned-israel-of-egypts-plans-for-war/news-story/38d29e061f28b1ddbd00a4765882dd04

I found useful tidbits in what I read of both the Piper and Laurent Guyenot books - mostly the latter - but both eventually go off the rails. I found Piper to be largely misguided with a couple of bits and pieces of interest, and Guyenot to have a reasonable amount of decent writing in his articles and books but with totally off-base suppositions crammed into the material ruining his work. With Guyenot it's both the Israel-did-it and LBJ-did-it stuff that I was shaking my head at.

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EX-NAZIS WARNED ISRAEL OF EGYPT'S PLANS FOR WAR

by Philip Willan, March 18th 2019

Israel was able to launch its surprise attack against Egypt and Syria at the beginning of the Six- Day War thanks to information provided to Mossad by an intelligence network of former Nazis, according to a book by an Italian who claims to have played a role.

Adriano Monti fought, aged 15, in the international division of the German SS at the end of World War II and was recruited into a post-war intelligence organisation founded by general Reinhard Gehlen. Gehlen had run German army espionage efforts against Eastern Europe during the war and worked closely with the CIA after it. His “Gehlen Organisation” became the backbone of West Germany’s foreign intelligence organisation, the BND.

In his book, Dr Monti, 89, claims to have travelled to Cairo shortly before the outbreak of the war between Israel and its Arab neighbours in 1967 to meet one of his network’s contacts, an escort called Marguerite. She was in contact with two East German military advisers to the Egyptian president, Abdel Nasser, who knew of Egypt’s war plans.

In the book, Codename Siegfried 2: Discreet Services, Mr Monti describes meeting Marguerite at a bar in Cairo. “After the usual small talk she whispered in French, ‘June 5, 8.15.’ ”

The date was less than a week away. The information was relayed to Otto Skorzeny, a former SS commando leader, and on to Mossad, the Israeli intelligence organisation, enabling Israel to destroy a large part of the Egyptian and Syrian air forces with a pre-emptive strike and secure victory.

Skorzeny was recruited by Mossad in 1963 to help the Israelis find German scientists working on the Egyptian missile program. He had recruited Nasser’s two East German advisers for the Gehlen Organisation.

The former Wehrmacht officers had disavowed Nazism in Siberia after the war, and were picked to serve in Egypt because they spoke Arabic, Dr Monti said. “The denazification was considered sufficient to make them friends of the East rather than of the West, but they remained much attached to their past,” he said.

At the time, Dr Monti was a medical officer with the World Health Organisation and had ready access to a wide range of contacts, although he never met the East German military advisers directly. He had no idea that Skorzeny was working for the Gehlen network or that his crucial information from Cairo would be forwarded to Mossad, he said.

Dr Monti said that solidarity among former SS soldiers was the basis for an intelligence network that was ultimately working for the CIA. It led to the recruitment of Abu Omar, a Palestinian from Lebanon who fought in the SS Charlemagne Division in its defence of Berlin in 1945.

Omar was a close aide to Yasser Arafat, head of the Palestinian Liberation Organisation.

“He kept us informed of everything that happened in Arafat’s court,” Dr Monti said.

Salvatore Sechi, a history professor from the University of Bologna, said that Western intelligence organisations had recruited right wing extremists after the war because of their experience in working against the new enemy: Soviet-backed communism.

 

All that said, as reliable as Willan is, where's the book he's talking about? Adriano Monti's earlier NOME IN CODICE SIEGFRIED is on Amazon Italy and a few other sites. I can't find the new Monti volume mentioned by Willan. Maybe Willan was granted a preview copy.

https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Nome_in_codice_Siegfried.html?id=S6XbjwEACAAJ&redir_esc=y

Edited June 3, 2019 by Anthony Thorne
Extra info

[Paul Brancato]

10 hours ago, Anthony Thorne said:

Philip Willan broke the story a couple of months back. He's the author of the Gladio history THE PUPPETMASTERS, which I recommended in another thread here. He's also a correspondent for the Times and the Guardian in the UK. His Times story is paywalled, but The Australian reprinted it. Emphasis in article added by me.

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/the-times/exnazis-warned-israel-of-egypts-plans-for-war/news-story/38d29e061f28b1ddbd00a4765882dd04

I found useful tidbits in what I read of both the Piper and Laurent Guyenot books - mostly the latter - but both eventually go off the rails. I found Piper to be largely misguided with a couple of bits and pieces of interest, and Guyenot to have a reasonable amount of decent writing in his articles and books but with totally off-base suppositions crammed into the material ruining his work. With Guyenot it's both the Israel-did-it and LBJ-did-it stuff that I was shaking my head at.

All that said, as reliable as Willan is, where's the book he's talking about? Adriano Monti's earlier NOME IN CODICE SIEGFRIED is on Amazon Italy and a few other sites. I can't find the new Monti volume mentioned by Willan. Maybe Willan was granted a preview copy.

https://books.google.com.au/books/about/Nome_in_codice_Siegfried.html?id=S6XbjwEACAAJ&redir_esc=y

Interesting. Couple of points. William did not break the story of Skorzeny working for Mossad in 1962 (not 1963). Supplying intelligence to Israel in 1967 is new to me. Maybe that’s the story he is breaking. 

 

[Anthony Thorne]

Poor phrasing on my part. It's the 1967 stuff that appears new, and I suppose the author Willan is quoting is the guy who broke the story, but Willan looks like the first one to bother reporting it in English for the rest of us.

[Anthony Thorne]

It might be worth linking Laurent Guyenot's past few years of articles here, some of them quite long. He's returned to this topic a number of times, including recently.

I was lukewarm about both Guyenot and Piper's books on earlier pages. I don't feel either author captures every nuance in the case, but the accumulation of detail Guyenot eventually throws at you is certainly something.

 

Did Israel kill the Kennedy's?

https://www.unz.com/article/did-israel-kill-the-kennedies/

 

Fifteen Years before Kennedy, Zionists murdered Forrestal

https://www.unz.com/article/fifteen-years-before-kennedy-zionists-murdered-forrestal/

 

Jack Ruby - Israel's Smoking Gun

https://www.unz.com/article/jack-ruby-israels-smoking-gun/

 

Angleton, the Mossad and the Kennedy assassinations

https://www.unz.com/article/angleton-mossad-and-the-kennedy-assassinations/

 

President Kennedy's assassination was a Zionist coup

https://www.unz.com/article/president-kennedys-assassination-was-a-zionist-coup/

 

JFK and American's Destiny Betrayed

https://www.unz.com/article/jfk-and-americas-destiny-betrayed/

 

Kennedy - An Israeli Perspective

https://www.unz.com/article/kennedy-an-israeli-perspective/

 

The Umbrella Man - The sins of the father, and the Kennedy Curse

https://www.unz.com/article/the-umbrella-man-the-sins-of-the-father-and-the-kennedy-curse/

 

[Pamela Brown]

I do think there was an Israeli connection to the assassinations of both JFK and RFK.  I think we need to look at both of them together.  I do not see these assassinations as being done by Mossad, but though CIA via James Angleton.  The goal was to serve the best interests of Israel. 

JFK was not gung-ho Israel.  He had a balanced viewpoint and wanted reparations for the Palestinians who had lost their homes when Israel was created.  He wanted inspections of Dimona, so that Israel would not develop nuclear capability.

JFK, while doing the right thing for both parties, was considered a threat to their agendas for Israel.  A presidency by RFK would have been no different...

Edited November 17, 2023 by Pamela Brown

[Michael Griffith]

2 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

I do think there was an Israeli connection to the assassinations of both JFK and RFK.  I think we need to look at both of them together.  I do not see these assassinations as being done by Mossad, but though CIA via James Angleton.  The goal was to serve the best interests of Israel. 

JFK was not gung-ho Israel.  He had a balanced viewpoint and wanted reparations for the Palestinians who had lost their homes when Israel was created.  He wanted inspections of Dimona, so that Israel would not develop nuclear capability.

JFK, while doing the right thing for both parties, was considered a threat to their agendas for Israel.  A presidency by RFK would have been no different...

This is sad, wrong, and embarrassing. Unlike Truman and Ike, JFK sold the Hawk anti-air missile system to Israel. As I've documented in other threads, JFK made several speeches in which he made his pro-Israeli position clear. 

Yes, JFK wanted the Dimona site inspected, and, yes, the Israelis resisted this. They did so because they correctly believed that if any nation on Earth had the moral right to have nukes, it was Israel. JFK was simply wrong on this issue. Friends don't always agree. 

The "Palestinians" would not have lost any land if their radical, pro-Hitler leaders had not rejected the 1947 UN partition plan. Their leaders were so confident that the five neighboring Arab nations could wipe the Jews into the sea in short order that they foolishly rejected the UN plan and told the five neighboring leaders that they would welcome an invasion. But, incredibly enough, the Jews fought off the five invading armies and won their independence, and formed the only democracy in the Middle East.

 

[Anthony Thorne]

6 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

I I do not see these assassinations as being done by Mossad, but though CIA via James Angleton.  The goal was to serve the best interests of Israel. 

I agree that the CIA, as documented through maybe 30 books on my bookshelf, is more prominent throughout nearly every level of the plot you can think of. At the level of assets though - and this can be reduced down to an individual here or there - the Mossad had at least a few friends that the CIA might have found useful on the day, and I don't think it's a reach to suggest that Angleton would have been better placed than many to tap them on the shoulder if required.

[Leslie Sharp]

49 minutes ago, Anthony Thorne said:

I agree that the CIA, as documented through maybe 30 books on my bookshelf, is more prominent throughout nearly every level of the plot you can think of. At the level of assets though - and this can be reduced down to an individual here or there - the Mossad had at least a few friends that the CIA might have found useful on the day, and I don't think it's a reach to suggest that Angleton would have been better placed than many to tap them on the shoulder if required.

@Anthony Thorne at least a few friends that the CIA might have found useful on the day . . . 

Can you be specific?  Who are your candidates?

[Leslie Sharp]

4 hours ago, Michael Griffith said:

This is sad, wrong, and embarrassing. Unlike Truman and Ike, JFK sold the Hawk anti-air missile system to Israel. As I've documented in other threads, JFK made several speeches in which he made his pro-Israeli position clear. 

Yes, JFK wanted the Dimona site inspected, and, yes, the Israelis resisted this. They did so because they correctly believed that if any nation on Earth had the moral right to have nukes, it was Israel. JFK was simply wrong on this issue. Friends don't always agree. 

The "Palestinians" would not have lost any land if their radical, pro-Hitler leaders had not rejected the 1947 UN partition plan. Their leaders were so confident that the five neighboring Arab nations could wipe the Jews into the sea in short order that they foolishly rejected the UN plan and told the five neighboring leaders that they would welcome an invasion. But, incredibly enough, the Jews fought off the five invading armies and won their independence, and formed the only democracy in the Middle East.

 

Thank you for the succinct summary, Mike. Well stated.

I wonder if you have studied this report? And can you point me to related material you may have published or posted on Ed Forum on the subject?

https://www.archives.gov/.../iwg/reports/hitlers-shadow.pdf

[Leslie Sharp]

Among the most admirable traits of JFK the human was the capacity to evolve.

https://www.express.co.uk/news/history/1828866/jfk-adolf-hitler-diary

[Anthony Thorne]

1 hour ago, Leslie Sharp said:

@Anthony Thorne at least a few friends that the CIA might have found useful on the day . . . 

Can you be specific?  Who are your candidates?

Not yet. Still investigating. But one name in particular has me pondering a few puzzles this morning - in particular, whether it matches up with a person who was visually in the thick of things on the day.

I have 18 tabs open on my browser right now, half being historical books, some being reports from CIA collections, some news articles. I'm going to do a run through and grab info that I think is pertinent. Once I'm done, I'll do a fat post here, with the links, and the relevant background and info. Then everyone can poke at it and pick it apart and likely provide a lot more info as to whether the balloon floats or sinks. 

But he has links to the organisation of assassinations, and also limited connections to the CIA, as agents were assigned to his area of expertise in his resident country throughout the 60's. CIA likely worked with him prior to the JFK assassination, and evidently worked with him afterwards. But the Mossad definitely worked with him. He also might have helped Angleton out at one point.

He's not Israeli, and I'd never heard of him till recently. When I searched his name on this forum, I got one single hit, as his name appears in a list, with no further info, so he's never been discussed on this forum before. But he's a striking figure.

 

 

 

 

[Leslie Sharp]

48 minutes ago, Anthony Thorne said:

Not yet. Still investigating. But one name in particular has me pondering a few puzzles this morning - in particular, whether it matches up with a person who was visually in the thick of things on the day.

I have 18 tabs open on my browser right now, half being historical books, some being reports from CIA collections, some news articles. I'm going to do a run through and grab info that I think is pertinent. Once I'm done, I'll do a fat post here, with the links, and the relevant background and info. Then everyone can poke at it and pick it apart and likely provide a lot more info as to whether the balloon floats or sinks. 

But he has links to the organisation of assassinations, and also limited connections to the CIA, as agents were assigned to his area of expertise in his resident country throughout the 60's. CIA likely worked with him prior to the JFK assassination, and evidently worked with him afterwards. But the Mossad definitely worked with him. He also might have helped Angleton out at one point.

He's not Israeli, and I'd never heard of him till recently. When I searched his name on this forum, I got one single hit, as his name appears in a list, with no further info, so he's never been discussed on this forum before. But he's a striking figure.

 

 

 

 

Of course I'm anxious to read this new material to determine if there are parallels and/or convergences with the names and details presented in Lafitte's records.  

as an aside, did you see the photo of JJA and Amit Meir taken in 1967 in Tucson?

[Anthony Thorne]

Haven't seen that photo yet Leslie but I'll obviously keep you in the loop. I'm still looking at what links where. A few things are coming up.

[Paul Brancato]

34 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

Of course I'm anxious to read this new material to determine if there are parallels and/or convergences with the names and details presented in Lafitte's records.  

as an aside, did you see the photo of JJA and Amit Meir taken in 1967 in Tucson?

Are there pics of Pugibet? The extant info says he pretended to be a cowboy.

Edited November 18, 2023 by Paul Brancato