Burying the Lead by Mal Hyman

[Ron Bulman]

Hyman's book keeps informing me of things I've not read before.

Boggs: There's nothing in there about Governor Connally.  Cooper: And whether they found bullets in him.  Warren: It's totally inconclusive.  McCloy: this leaves me confused.  Boggs: Reading this report leaves a million questions. 

Rankin: if that was true the people would think there was a conspiracy and nothing the commission did could dissipate it.  (I have read the next part before)  Boggs: The implications of this are fantastic; I don't think this should be taken down.  Dulles: Yes, I think the record should be destroyed.

It was Richard Nixon who recommended Ford as a member of the Warren Commission to president Johnson.

 

But the stuff on John J McCloy was really interesting.  I knew he was a powerful member of the power elite east cost establishment but not many details about him.  According to Harvard historian Alan Brinkley, "McCloy has been actively involved in more areas on national policy, in more critical decisions, than perhaps any political figure of his generation."  He has advised nine presidents and has been referred to by numerous authors as "the chairman of the American establishment".  World Bank president 1948.  American high commissioner to Germany 1949-1952, where he commuted most of the sentences handed down at Nuremberg to Nazi war criminals.  1952, president Chase Manhattan Bank.  1st day of the investigation: concerned the report "lay the dust" expeditiously as possible.  After WC, became Chairman of the Council on Foreign Relations.  Close friends, Rockefeller family to Clint Murchison.  "Less than two years after the assassination McCloy joined with David Rockefeller, Eugene Block of the world Bank, and former Treasury Secretary C Douglass Dillon to form the Committee for an Effective and Durable peace in Asia - a group which advocated widening the war in Vietnam."

Then I stumbled across this.

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Wow.  He was in the booth with Hitler at the Berlin Olympics.

https://spartacus-educational.com/USAmccloyJ.htm

 

 

[James DiEugenio]

What does he source the info about Nixon recommending McCloy for the WC to?

 

Mal on BOR

http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black939a.mp3

Edited May 17, 2019 by James DiEugenio

[Ron Bulman]

20 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

What does he source the info about Nixon recommending McCloy for the WC to?

 

Mal on BOR

http://www.blackopradio.com/pod/black939a.mp3

He says Nixon recommended Ford to Johnson for the WC.  It's in chapter 5, page 118, end note reference # 5.  It is there sourced to "Marrs, pg. 470". 

I went to Crossfire, the 2013 revised edition.  Nope.  That page is about Shaw.  The only page Nixon and Ford are cross referenced on in the name index is about Nixon appointing Ford VP.

Rule by Secrecy and Rise of the Fourth Reich don't have 470 pages.

So, back to the original 1989 edition of Crossfire (my 2002 10th printing, I read a library copy years before I bought it).  Pf. 470.  Nope again, but it was about the appointment of Rankin.  Scanning backwards from there, Boom, there it is on page 466.

"Ford's name as a member of the Warren Commission was recommended to President Johnson by Richard Nixon.  A World War II Navy veteran (like Nixon), Ford became the Commissions most industrious member, hearing seventy of the ninety four witnesses who actually met with commissioners."

Trouble is the sources and notes don't mention page 466.  464  then skips to 469.  It's about WC transcripts:  Tad Szulc, "The Warren Commission In It's Own Words"  The New Republic, Sept. 27, 1975.  I've not looked for this yet.

[Anthony Thorne]

That’s here. https://newrepublic.com/article/91482/warren-commission-jfk-kennedy-oswald

Edited May 18, 2019 by Anthony Thorne

[James DiEugenio]

Its not in there either.

And I looked at the first edition of Crossfire and its not in there. 

[Ron Bulman]

On 5/17/2019 at 10:05 PM, Anthony Thorne said:

That’s here. https://newrepublic.com/article/91482/warren-commission-jfk-kennedy-oswald

Thanks for posting this even though as Jim notes nothing there about Nixon-Johnson-Ford / the WC.  It's still a interesting article from the Watergate period, well worth reading.  

"the Rockefeller Commission, investigating the CIA's domestic activities, felt obliged to assert "that there was no credible evidence of any CIA involvement."  This caused me to pause and think.  Who was director of the CIA for 10 years?  Dulles.  Dulles and Rockefeller among several others promoted the creation, organization of and then controlled the CIA.  Who did Dulles work for before WWII?  Rockefeller.  Who did he Still work for in 1961 when he was 'fired' by JFK?  The same guy he still represented in 1963, while working at the Farm the afternoon/evening of 11/22/63 per David Talbot.

The part about "McCloy continuously telling the commission he had to catch a plane to London or Brazil and would have to be excused" is interesting too.  Never read that before myself that I remember. 

[Ron Bulman]

The Nixon recommending Ford to Johnson for the Warren Commission bit is perplexing to me and of potential interest in the pursuit of justice and the truth.  IF True, why would Nixon stick his nose into the proceedings at this point? 

Where this may have came from is perplexing.  Jim Marrs wasn't known for making stuff up.  He taught a course on the subject for about 10 years in addition to Crossfire and advising Stone on JFK.   But where did he get This?  

Googling Nixon Johnson Ford Warren Commission found this.  About 2/3 of the way down it repeats the assertion.  Another interesting article otherwise, though obviously dated.

http://www.johnfitzgeraldkennedy.net/thenixonbushconnectiontothekennedyassassination.htm

I thought I'd heard of this guy before, maybe not.  He posted 3X here years ago.

 If he's a former bodyguard of JFK was he in the Secret Service?

[Ron Bulman]

More things I don't remember reading before.

"on 11/21/63 Dallas Sheriff Bill Decker had been told to use his men to augment security, the order was reversed the next day by a call from Washington."

"In Dallas, SAC Winston Lawson , Formerly of the Army Intelligence Corps, took the lead in changing the motorcade route, and limiting then number of Dallas Police and motorcycle escorts to protect the president." 

"former FBI employee William S. Walter received warning of a possible presidential assassination attempt over the FBI teletype in the New Orleans office on November 17, 1963.  he called five agents who handled investigatory units... (the actual telex) "URGENT: 1:45 AM EST 11-17-63... FROM: DIRECTOR - THREAT TO ASSASSINATE PRESIDENT KENNEDY IN DALLAS TEXAS NOVEMBER 22 DASH 23 1963... BUREAU HAS DETERMINED A MILITARY REVOLUTIONARY GROUP MAY ATTEMPT TO ASSASSINATE PRESIDENT KENNEDY ON HIS PROPOSED TRIP TO DALLAS TEXAS NOVEMBER 22-23."  pgs. 136-137.

Jesus.  If true the FBI knew five days before what might happen?  If the Director, Hoover, knew, his neighbor for years and frequent supper guest LBJ knew, maybe Nixon too?

[Ron Bulman]

22 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

More things I don't remember reading before.

"on 11/21/63 Dallas Sheriff Bill Decker had been told to use his men to augment security, the order was reversed the next day by a call from Washington."

"In Dallas, SAC Winston Lawson , Formerly of the Army Intelligence Corps, took the lead in changing the motorcade route, and limiting then number of Dallas Police and motorcycle escorts to protect the president." 

"former FBI employee William S. Walter received warning of a possible presidential assassination attempt over the FBI teletype in the New Orleans office on November 17, 1963.  he called five agents who handled investigatory units... (the actual telex) "URGENT: 1:45 AM EST 11-17-63... FROM: DIRECTOR - THREAT TO ASSASSINATE PRESIDENT KENNEDY IN DALLAS TEXAS NOVEMBER 22 DASH 23 1963... BUREAU HAS DETERMINED A MILITARY REVOLUTIONARY GROUP MAY ATTEMPT TO ASSASSINATE PRESIDENT KENNEDY ON HIS PROPOSED TRIP TO DALLAS TEXAS NOVEMBER 22-23."  pgs. 136-137.

Jesus.  If true the FBI knew five days before what might happen?  If the Director, Hoover, knew, his neighbor for years and frequent supper guest LBJ knew, maybe Nixon too?

Note for clarification.  "In 1976 Walter gave a recollection of the FBI telex to the Senate Intelligence Committee chaired by Richard Schweiker.  After the Freedom of Information Act was passed, it was possible to get this telex".  "Shortly after the assassination, Walter asserts that he checked the file again to see if the warning was still there, but it had been removed".

So there is proof it existed.

[Ron Bulman]

Just came back to finish this important book.  I'd taken a break from it before finishing.  Question.  Chapter 12, pg. 353.  Regarding Secretary of the Treasury Dillion it says "Dillon's Chief Counsel, Acting Secretary of the Secret Service Gaspard d'Andelot Belin, had responsibility for the Dallas trip."  Was Gaspard related to David Belin of the Warren Omission?