Damage to the Limo

[James DiEugenio]

Everyone knows that the Magic Bullet made seven wounds, smashed two bones and then reverse trajectories out of JBC's leg.

We also know that the head shot, according to the WC ended up with two fragments in the front floor of the car.

But yet, there is the dented front chrome around the windshield , the cracked windshield itself, and the dented dashboard.

(Am I missing anything?) 

What made those because it certainly could not have been the Magic Bullet.

 

[David Von Pein]

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

Everyone knows that the Magic Bullet made seven wounds, smashed two bones and then reversed trajectories out of JBC's leg.

We also know that the head shot, according to the WC, ended up with two fragments in the front floor of the car.

But yet, there is the dented front chrome around the windshield , the cracked windshield itself, and the dented dashboard.

(Am I missing anything?) 

What made those because it certainly could not have been the Magic Bullet?

Fragments from the Head Shot bullet caused the damage to the limo's windshield and the chrome topping. And such a conclusion is a perfectly logical and reasonable one, given the sum total of physical (bullet) evidence in the JFK case.

After striking the President's head from behind, the bullet fragmented and continued its FORWARD course toward the front of the limousine --- which is perfectly consistent with the "Oswald Did It" scenario.

The two front-seat bullet fragments had no overlapping areas, with one of the fragments being a NOSE section of a bullet, while the other fragment was the BASE section of a bullet. The fragments were, therefore, very likely part of the same bullet.

One thing that even most conspiracy theorists should be sure of is this ---- Those two large front-seat bullet fragments most certainly were NOT fired from the FRONT of President Kennedy's vehicle.

Therefore, among other obvious things (such as Governor Connally's BACK wound and JFK's BACK wound), the existence of those two fragments in the front seat of the Presidential limousine pretty much destroy David Lifton's crazy "All Shots Came From The Front" theory.

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2013/02/The Head Shot & The Bullet Fragments

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2011/09/CE567 And CE569

 

Edited May 10, 2019 by David Von Pein

[Ron Ecker]

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Everyone knows that the Magic Bullet made seven wounds, smashed two bones and then reverse trajectories out of JBC's leg.

 

Makes sense to me!

 

 

[Guest]

Must have been some fragment making such a large dent..... Page 9.

Oh and Von Pein you are reaching in almost every sentence.

 

Edited May 10, 2019 by Bart Kamp

[Joe Bauer]

The dent in the windshield frame looks as if it was made from a trajectory angle that may not line up with any bullet or bone fragment that exited JFK's head wound.

Replaying the Zapruder film head shot scene over and over one sees that JFK's head and shoulders were pulled by Jackie slightly downward and closer to her and much more into the center or even slightly left center location of the back seat when the head shot bullet struck.

If one were to recreate a directional line from the exact back seat location and position of JFK's skull and the exit wound at the time of impact to the windshield dent using those typical dowel sticks, would they match up?

In my view, that dent has an entry angle that looks as if it came in more from the right verses a straight on angle directly in front of JFK's mid-center of the back seat skull location.

Also, was the barrier frame bar separating the front seat from the two back seats open underneath? Or was it a glass partition?

Either way, it was higher than JFK's head at the point of bullet impact and any forward traveling fragment looks as if it would have had to skip up and over that separation bar and then leveled out or skipped just under the bar and then gone back up to hit the windshield frame.

The separation bar looks as if it is almost exactly as high as the windshield dent location.

And the windshield frame was solid steel was it not?

It seems that a bullet impacting skull bone twice at 265 feet distance would have to have had a good chunk of mass and velocity left to create a dent as deep as the one in the solid steel windshield frame.

The reported bullet fragments in JFK's brain found via x-rays were numerous and small.

Curious that this bullet broke up into both such small and numerous tiny pieces yet also with fragments large enough to dent a very hard metal like the windshield frame?

I personally feel it would take a really hard swing of a ball-peen hammer by a strong armed person to make the dent as deep in the windshield frame one we see in the photos. The steel used in those old Lincolns is that hard.

Curious also is the condition of the magic bullet versus the one that struck JFK's skull.

The head bullet significantly fragmentized upon one strike impact into JFK's skull bone at 265 feet distance yet the magic bullet remained almost pristine after double impacting into Connally's rib and wrist bones at 150 feet?

Is skull bone that much thicker than rib and wrist bone?

The FBI Limo windshield dent explanation is so weak.

Edited May 10, 2019 by Joe Bauer

[Rick McTague]

1 hour ago, Joe Bauer said:

Curious also is the condition of the magic bullet versus the one that struck JFK's skull.

The head bullet significantly fragmentized upon one strike impact into JFK's skull bone at 265 feet distance yet the magic bullet remained almost pristine after double impacting into Connally's rib and wrist bones at 150 feet?

 

Joe,

This point helps the conclusion that there is no logical way that LHO or anyone else could have, in one rifle with a magazine that held 6 rounds, load only 4, miss with the first shot (unknown bullet type but probably full metal jacket), then hit with another FMJ that penetrated and caused those 7 wounds then the third fragmented or hollow point bullet that sprayed through JFK's skull then leaving a 4th round in the chamber.  All of these intentionally loaded in the order that he needed to hit JFK - no way.  You never load multiple bullet types in a magazine, you never partially load a magazine, especially when you are trying to kill the President of the United States.  You would fully load with fragmenting / hollow point rounds for maximum damage, with at least another spare mag also fully loaded for follow up shots.  That, and the lack of any other rifle ammo for the MC besides those 4 rounds - it makes no sense at all.

Thoughts?

Thanks

[Joe Bauer]

39 minutes ago, Rick McTague said:

Joe,

This point helps the conclusion that there is no logical way that LHO or anyone else could have, in one rifle with a magazine that held 6 rounds, load only 4, miss with the first shot (unknown bullet type but probably full metal jacket), then hit with another FMJ that penetrated and caused those 7 wounds then the third fragmented or hollow point bullet that sprayed through JFK's skull then leaving a 4th round in the chamber.  All of these intentionally loaded in the order that he needed to hit JFK - no way.  You never load multiple bullet types in a magazine, you never partially load a magazine, especially when you are trying to kill the President of the United States.  You would fully load with fragmenting / hollow point rounds for maximum damage, with at least another spare mag also fully loaded for follow up shots.  That, and the lack of any other rifle ammo for the MC besides those 4 rounds - it makes no sense at all.

Thoughts?

Thanks

It doesn't add up in any rational or logical or even scientific way.

[James DiEugenio]

Did I miss anything else in the car being hit?

 

[Micah Mileto]

16 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Everyone knows that the Magic Bullet made seven wounds, smashed two bones and then reverse trajectories out of JBC's leg.

We also know that the head shot, according to the WC ended up with two fragments in the front floor of the car.

But yet, there is the dented front chrome around the windshield , the cracked windshield itself, and the dented dashboard.

(Am I missing anything?) 

What made those because it certainly could not have been the Magic Bullet.

 

Assuming there has been a kind of consensus that an ordinary 6.5 round could not fragment upon passing through one layer of skull, could it then fragment right as it encountered a second layer of skull? In that case, maybe the round could explode into several fragment before a portion of it actually exited. 

[Chris Bristow]

Joe, I have heard that the separation bar had a window separating the front seat from the passengers but it was not installed that day. If it had been the FBI would have had to document the holes in it.                                                        Just yesterday I was trying to test the theory that a fragment caused the Tague injury and curb strike. I found that there is room for fragments to go under the bar and either escape over the top of the windshield or maybe hit the visor. Going over the separation bar would require a 5 degree upward angle.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 10, 2019 by Chris Bristow

[Micah Mileto]

 

2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Did I miss anything else in the car being hit?

 

There was some information about a possible hole in the floor of the Limousine.

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=57753&relPageId=25

 

[Micah Mileto]

15 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

After striking the President's head from behind, the bullet fragmented and continued its FORWARD course toward the front of the limousine --- which is perfectly consistent with the "Oswald Did It" scenario.

In the version proposed by the Clark Panel/HSCA... not the actual doctors who spend hours handling JFK's skull. According to them, the small wound in the back of the head was too low to correspond to an entry for a single 6.5 shot from the Sixth Floor. Kind of blurs the lines between "scientific/peer reviewed" proof and "historically documented" proof. 

Edited May 10, 2019 by Micah Mileto

[David Von Pein]

12 hours ago, Bart Kamp said:

Von Pein, you are reaching in almost every sentence.

I would say that it's the CTers who are doing most of the "reaching" (as always).

 

[David G. Healy]

4 hours ago, David Von Pein said:

I would say that it's the CTers who are doing most of the "reaching" (as always).

  

then you'll explain that huge round object appox 6.5mm in size in the X-ray of JFK skull, eh Einstein? You can explain that can't you?

Edited May 11, 2019 by David G. Healy

[David Von Pein]

2 hours ago, David G. Healy said:

then you'll explain that huge round object appox 6.5mm in size in the X-ray of JFK skull, eh Einstein? You can explain that can't you?

I've provided my opinion on it----which will never be an acceptable explanation to any conspiracist, of course. But that's par for the course. ....

http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2015/07/jfk-assassination-arguments-part-970.html

 

Edited May 11, 2019 by David Von Pein