Who Organized the Killing of JFK?

[Wim Dankbaar]

Tim,

The mafia played a major role in the assassination. Trafficante, Giancana, Licavoli and Marcello were the mob bosses who supplied some of the operatives and shooters for the hit, which was most most likey financed by Texan oil and planned in collaboration with a rogue faction of the CIA. Trafficante, Giancana, Marcello have all known ties with to Jack Ruby. Quite frankly, I fail to understand John's stubborness in denying the mafia played a role.

But his attitude is similar to that of Fletcher Prouty, Len Osanic, Jim Garrison and Al Carrier.

Wim

[JL Allen]

Pamela,

Though your information seems fantastic - I also have had some suspicions in this area. Something happened in Roswell in 1947 - and the Majestic 12 documents released through the FOI Act - although they have been discounted as fakes - are so numerous and complex and interconnected - providing so much technical detail regarding people and places and dates - that it seems that it would take a complete madman to undertake the creation of such an elaborate ruse - and, to what end?

Here are a few things which relate to what you were presenting.

Bill Holden, who also served as loadmaster for Air Force One, traveled with Kennedy to Europe in the summer of 1963. He said a UFO conference in Bonn, Germany, prompted a discussion of the subject aboard the President's plane one morning.

Holden said he turned to Kennedy and asked, "What do you think about UFOs, Mr. President?" He said Kennedy became quite serious and thought for a moment before replying, "I'd like to tell the public about the alien situation, but my hands are tied."

A controversial MJ-12 document titled "Interplanetary Phenomenon Unit Summary," noted Kennedy's insider knowledge. This document, apparently written soon after the crashes in New Mexico during July 1947, states, "It has become known to CIC [Counter Intelligence Corps] that some of the recovery operation was shared with Representative John F. Kennedy, Massachusetts Democrat elected to Congress in '46, Son of Joseph P. Kennedy, Commission on Organization of the Executive Branch of the Government. [Jack] Kennedy had limited duty as naval officer assigned to Naval Intelligence during the war. It is believed that information [concerning the Roswell crashes] was obtained from [a] source in Congress who is close to [the] Secretary for Air Force." Kennedy was the only Congressmen named who was aware of the truth of the Roswell incidents at the time.

JFK would have been one of the very few "loose threads" in their chosen course of shielding the public from any knowlege of such remarkable secrets.

FWIW - I believe it was Col. Corso who claimed to have met the alien in the desert. He supposedly asked the alien something like - "Why are you here? What do you want from us?"

The alien apparently responded - "We want to give you a new future - if you can handle it."

Colonel Philip J. Corso (Ret.), a member of President Eisenhower's National Security Council and former head of the Foreign Technology Desk at the U.S. Army's Research & Development department, has come forward to tell the whole explosive story. Backed by documents newly declassified through the Freedom of Information Act, Colonel Corso reveals for the first time his personal stewardship of alien artifacts from the crash, and discloses the U.S. government's astonishing role in the Roswell incident: what was found, the cover-up, and how these alien artifacts changed the course of twentieth- century history.

In 1961 Corso, then a lieutenant colonel, was given command of one of the Pentagon's highly classified weapons development budgets and was made privy to the U.S. government's greatest secret: the dismantling and appropriation of the Roswell extraterrestrial spacecraft by the Army. Now, identifying all those involved, Colonel Corso reveals how a deep-cover council officially discounted all UFO reports to the American public, and cleared the path for his R&D team at the Pentagon to analyze and integrate the Roswell artifacts into the military arsenal and the private business sector. The extent of the operation is startling.

With unprecedented detail, Corso divulges how he spearheaded the Army's reverse-engineering project that "seeded" alien technology at American companies such as IBM, Hughes Aircraft, Bell Labs, and Dow Coming-without their knowledge. He describes the devices found aboard the Roswell craft, and how they were the precursors for today's integrated circuit chips, fiber optics, lasers, and super-tenacity fibers. He also discusses the role alien technology played in shaping geopolitical policy and events: how it helped the United States surpass the Russians in space; spurred elaborate Army initiatives such as SDI, Horizon and HARP; and ultimately brought about the end of the Cold War.

Many powerful icons of the American scene seem to have been willing to risk everything - their wealth, their power, their prestige and reputation, their already assured tremendous good-standing in the annuls of American history - all on a sinister and dispicable high-risk venture based in treason, sedition, and ultimate betrayal. It seems that something stupendously colossal must have been at stake.

This is the text of a speech circulating the internet which purports to have been something JFK was very close to delivering in November of 1963 - probably bogus - perhaps, not. It is certainly more fun to entertain as a future than the disgusting debacle of a destiny which has replaced it.

"My fellow Americans, people of the world, today we set forth on a journey into a new era. One age, the childhood of mankind, is ending and another age is about to begin. The journey of which I speak is full of unknowable challenges, but I believe that all our yesterdays, all the struggles of the past, have uniquely prepared our generation to prevail.

Citizens of this Earth, we are not alone. God, in His infinite wisdom, has seen fit to populate His universe with other beings -- intelligent creatures such as ourselves.

How can I state this with such authority? In the year 1947 our military forces recovered from the dry New Mexico desert the remains of an aircraft of unknown origin. Science soon determined that this vehicle came from the far reaches of outer space. Since that time our government has made contact with the creators of that spacecraft.

Though this news may sound fantastic -- and indeed, terrifying -- I ask that you not greet it with undue fear or pessimism. I assure you, as your President, that these beings mean us no harm. Rather, they promise to help our nation overcome the common enemies of all mankind -- tyranny, poverty, disease, war.

We have determined that they are not foes, but friends.

Together with them we can create a better world. I cannot tell you that there will be no stumbling or missteps on the road ahead. But I believe that we have found the true destiny of the people of this great land: To lead the world into a glorious future.

In the coming days, weeks and months, you will learn more about these visitors, why they are here and why our leaders have kept their presence a secret from you for so long. I ask you to look to the future not with timidity but with courage. Because we can achieve in our time the ancient vision of peace on Earth and prosperity for all humankind. God bless you.

[Shanet Clark]

THATS ABOUT ENOUGH OF THAT!

Wim Dankbaar said

Other CIA people who show up often in this story include David Atlee Phillips of the Western Hemisphere division, who worked with Bill Harvey and later Des Fitzgerald on Cuban operations; Win Scott and his "right-hand man" Anne Goodpasture from the Mexico City station; John Whitten ("Scelso") of the Western Hemisphere, Division 3; Charlotte Bustos of the Mexico City desk at Headquarters; and Richard Helms and his deputy Thomas Karamessines, who play large roles in the pre- and post-assassination paper trail. We should also note that the entire Western Hemisphere was run by J. C. King, a man closely linked to Nelson Rockefeller. King himself had been involved in the CIA’s assassination plots involving Castro and Trujillo.3

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Phillips is the CIA man who most closely ties Angleton in the frequency of his appearance in the assassination story. Phillips appears to have been seen in the presence of Oswald by Antonio Veciana.21 And a "Mr. Phillips" who was running CIA operations against Cuba at a time when that was David Phillips’ job was seen by Gordon Novel in the presence of Guy Banister and Sergio Arcacha Smith, who were themselves in turn seen with Oswald. Oswald even rented an office in Banister’s building that had previously been rented by Sergio Arcacha Smith.22 When the HSCA investigators tracked down the many false "Castro did it" leads, they kept tracing back to assets run by Phillips.23 Dan Hardway, who had much documentation to support that allegation...[end WIM]

Great material here, the intertwining of the various stooges and programs.

It was fundamentally a "WH FLAP" and the Western Hemisphere Station Plans and Operations were in a huge mess, Pro-Castro, Anti-Castro, United Fruit, Offshore interests (not just Havana casinos) Richard Nixon and Bebe Rebozo were involved in this world of Caribbean and Mexico City Cold War Intrigue and North American rapacious capitalism.

Nelson Rockefeller and the Central and South American US Foreign Policy at this time 1954-1974, Nelson Rockefeller held and developed the Portfolio for the South American and Central American United States Co-Ordinated policy, using the various agencies and boards he sat on or had developed. These investment, propaganda and policy co-ordinations by the Rockefeller interests and United Fruit lay the foundation for a theory of Kennedy's assassination that involves the Mexico City station and Offshore Caribbean interests...

[Chris Cox]

little green men as foci

not to be insulting and I'm totally cool with research of ETs, will o' the wisps, hauntings and the like-- but I'm more interested in how some very insightful investigators of gov't secrecy embrace this research--seems so potentially damaging to their message--IOWs, has the scent of bait

this is great thesis for you grad students out there-btw

I was looking up some research and saw Danny Sheehan/Christic Institute/Iran Contra is now working from this angle. Jim Marrs can you explain this to me? Sorry for the digression

[Chris Cox]

Shanet

United Fruit is a big puzzle piece methinks. Tosh mentioned a 1958 article in LIFE that was a supposed kidnapping by Raul Castro. It is the oddest article and I encourage you to ck it out, especially since Tosh is posting here and can offer some background.

It shows the United Fruit and other "engineers" in Cuba being released to the US officials Weicha etal. It's amusing in it's lack of any hostility to the rebel forces. Not a shot fired, all handshakes and smiles. In one frame they all wave goodbye to the "captives." This is at a time the US is gunrunning to the rebel forces. It tells a big story but not the one LIFE intended.

[John Simkin]

I thought that it might be a good idea to start a new thread on "Organized Crime and the Assassination of JFK". It can be found here:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2722