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The Alek J. Hidell identity?

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Who was Alek J. Hidell?

As I have said in other posts, if you are a supporter of the Harvey and Lee theory, it is difficult to determine the differences between Harvey and Lee in photos.  There is honest disagreement as people view the photos of Oswald differently.  The following photo of Lee Harvey Oswald in Minsk can illustrate what I am talking about:

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This looks like a composite photo to me.  The right side looks different from the left side.

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I see on the right-hand side, Harvey Oswald, the man who was shot at the Dallas Police Station.  On the left-hand side I see an unknown who looks very much like Harvey Oswald and not at all like Lee Oswald.

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Could this be a third Oswald in Russia early on in the story?  The picture of Lee Harvey Oswald in Minsk looks very much like the Navy ID card bearing the photo of Lee Harvey Oswald issued I believe in Nov., 1959.

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The unknown gives rise to the question could this be a third Oswald and the source of the name Alek J. Hidell?  This was the Alek Hidell ID discovered on the day of the assassination.

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In the 3 photos, Oswald in Minsk, Navy ID, and Selective Service Car, the two people in the composites appear to be the same.

Was Alek James Hidell a real person and part of the Oswald Project?

What’s your opinion?

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One thing concerns the height--- [71"] on the Hidell card. The ROKC link here...

http://reopenkennedycase.forumotion.net/t1380-the-great-oswald-height-debate   

...dismisses this apparently [as opposed to the 69" Oswald] because 23 yr old Lee Oswald shrank due to...? Middle age?

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People not only grow when they are young and start to shrink once past a certain age, we all also grow and shrink quite a bit during each and every day. So even the time of day is a factor.

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getting the height right on entry into the military is important. Who cares though, what it is listed at upon exit? 

That makes no sense to me. The military medical dpt. does not change vitals. The Hidell card is fake. Jack White showed in a demo that the Oswald picture is a composite but the splice [I believe] runs from the left side of the hairline to the right side of the chin. Note the double hairline.

There is facial recognition technology.... wouldn't that work with pictures?

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Karl,

Lee Harvey Oswald was not only a man of many faces, but also a man of many heights.  There has been mention of a 5'8, 5'9, 5'9 1/2, 5'10, and 5'11 for the height of Lee Harvey Oswald.  There was mention of a 5'3 or 5'4 Oswald in Russia. 

A good question is who was the hazel eyed, 5'8 Oswald who entered the Marines.  I don't think the hazel eyes are a mistake, but point to someone other than Lee and Harvey who had blue to grey eyes.

I have forgotten that there are several threads on this.  A good one to look at is One Question re:  Two Oswalds.

David Josephs, in particular, nailed this notion:

 

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    A number of the men who looked a bit like Oswald and were somehow involved....  the story of Vagaonov/Tippit and how much he looks like Oswald is quite interesting...

    At the bottom right is Thomas Arthur Vallee....  of the Chicago Plot.

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    This takes the first image and mirrors each side to create the whole face...

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On ‎4‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 9:10 AM, Jim Hargrove said:

Can you point me to any information about the much shorter LHO in Russia?  I'm totally unaware of this.

Look at their feet... his right and her left are on the same elevation...

Using the image as a guide I estimate what a 5'11" man would look like in this image...

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Josephs doesn't mention Alek Hidell.  He has Marina as 5'3.  She could be 5'1 with 2 inch heels and therefore 5'3, or 5'2 with 2 inch heels and therefore 5'4.  It does not make a significant difference.  The lack of significant height difference between the two is telling.  This is neither Harvey or Lee, but another person.

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It's my opinion that the man in the photo is the source of the Alek Hidell identity.  I support the Harvey and Lee people.  They have extensive factual information for their conclusions. 

I go a little further out on the speculation limb by saying there was more than two Oswalds.  There was a larger Oswald Project.  The person in the photo above is neither Lee or Harvey.  IMO, he is the man who is part of the picture in the ID cards, Oswald Navy card and Alek Hidell Selective Service card, and the photo of Lee Harvey Oswald in Minsk.

There is little photo evidence for this person after Oswald returns to the US.   

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