The assassination of JFK: Who was the Mastermind?

[David Andrews]

Rich, to boot, that Nicoletti thing is a Files tapes hangover, and a non-starter.  Nobody's going to put a Chicago mob boss whose rifle experience was drunken deer hunt weekends in the woods north of Chi in a Dealey window.  If they had, Nicoletti would have disappeared after the assassination instead of shot to death in 1977.  If you're going to dump Files, dump his boss with him.

Edited October 1, 2019 by David Andrews

[Guest Rich Pope]

2 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

This is ridiculous. 

Michael, actually it isn't.  The link you posted was an "article" which actually is from a book called "Regicide" by Gregory Douglas 2002 published by Monte Sano Media.  As it has been shown by several authors, the CIA and the Mafia were two sides of the same coin back in the day.  Usually, domestic murders were handled by the Mafia and foreign murders were handled by the CIA.  But that's not always the case.  We know the CIA hired Sam Giancano and Johnny Roselli through CIA cutout Robert Maheu to use their contacts in Havana to kill Castro.  This was because Giancano and Roselli had more contacts in Cuba than the CIA did.  William Harvey of the CIA was in charge of locating the shooters for JFK and he managed to do so.  It's not a question of a bunch of agencies involved.  The CIA and the Mafia worked together to pull this off.  LBJ and his attorney Edward Clark knew and were kept in the loop.  Hoover knew and was kept in the loop.  None of these three men planned anything, but they did know something big was going down and they did help in the cover-up.  

[Michael Clark]

3 minutes ago, Rich Pope said:

Michael, actually it isn't.  The link you posted was an "article" which actually is from a book called "Regicide" by Gregory Douglas 2002 published by Monte Sano Media.  As it has been shown by several authors, the CIA and the Mafia were two sides of the same coin back in the day.  Usually, domestic murders were handled by the Mafia and foreign murders were handled by the CIA.  But that's not always the case.  We know the CIA hired Sam Giancano and Johnny Roselli through CIA cutout Robert Maheu to use their contacts in Havana to kill Castro.  This was because Giancano and Roselli had more contacts in Cuba than the CIA did.  William Harvey of the CIA was in charge of locating the shooters for JFK and he managed to do so.  It's not a question of a bunch of agencies involved.  The CIA and the Mafia worked together to pull this off.  LBJ and his attorney Edward Clark knew and were kept in the loop.  Hoover knew and was kept in the loop.  None of these three men planned anything, but they did know something big was going down and they did help in the cover-up.  

What is ridiculous is your excuse for not citing a reference for the work you posted, implicitly claiming it as your own.

[Ron Bulman]

11 hours ago, Paul Jolliffe said:

Rich,

I strongly suspect that Eugene Rostow was speaking for the sponsors (and apparently had one with him at that very moment in his office) on Sunday afternoon, November 24, 1963!

Rostow should have been interrogated under oath about his repeated Sunday afternoon phone calls to Katzenbach and his later call to Moyers. At that moment, "Oswald's" body was not even cold - yet Rostow's pressing concern was to make sure that LBJ created a body that would issue a "no - conspiracy" finding!

The ultimate sponsors of the assassination were in Yale Law School Dean Eugene Rostow's social and political circle - he knew exactly on whose behalf he was speaking. 

 

Right.  From just my simple observations.  Keep posting Paul, please.

[James DiEugenio]

First, the book Regicide turned out to be a hoax, and Gregory Douglas is just one of more than one pseudonyms. Most people should know this by now. If you do not, click below:

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/beware-the-douglas-janney-simkin-silver-bullets

The idea that the CIA and Mob are flip sides of the same coin is a real stretch.  If it were true, then Bissell would not have had to search for an intermediary.  He just would have phoned someone like Trafficante himself.

Rich, what is your proof that Harvey located the killers of JFK?  This would mean that you know who actually pulled the triggers and how they were recruited.  Or you are assuming that ZR Rifle was used for the JFK hit? Why would you assume that?

OMG and you are using Barr McClellan as a source also?  And no I do not agree that Hoover was kept in the loop.  How do you know such a thing? All the indications seem to me to be the opposite.

The idea of a massive plot including several different agencies first surfaced in that stilted piece of disinformation we now call the Torbitt Document, except its not a document. Its a classic piece of disinformation.  In its intent, its design and its sourcing. I consider the Douglas book to be more of the same.

Edited October 1, 2019 by James DiEugenio

[Ron Bulman]

Regicide is buried in a box.  I should have just thrown it out or burned it so no one would ever see or refer to it.  Unfortunately this disinformation is still available. 

[Guest Rich Pope]

12 hours ago, Michael Clark said:

What is ridiculous is your excuse for not citing a reference for the work you posted, implicitly claiming it as your own.

Michael,

In no way did I claim in any manner it was my own since a simple Google search would show it wasn't. What's missing out of all of this is the information contained in the post I made and also the link you posted.  I believe it to be correct and I would like others to give their two cents, not focusing on me but focusing on the material that is posted.  And like I said earlier, I'll be more conscientious about posting the citation after something I've read in an article or a book. 

[Guest Rich Pope]

10 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:

Regicide is buried in a box.  I should have just thrown it out or burned it so no one would ever see or refer to it.  Unfortunately this disinformation is still available. 

I believe Regicide is right on the money.  And according to reviews on Amazon, 61% of readers agree with me.  In addition, did you mean "disinformation" or "misinformation"?  I see people on the forum get the terms confused.

[John Kozlowski]

41 minutes ago, Rich Pope said:

I believe Regicide is right on the money.  And according to reviews on Amazon, 61% of readers agree with me.  In addition, did you mean "disinformation" or "misinformation"?  I see people on the forum get the terms confused.

I’d take the word of these couple people over the Amazon reviewers. Seems like the guy is a forger of documents and a disinformation specialist 

 

Edited October 1, 2019 by John Kozlowski

[Cory Santos]

I agree with Jim.  Rich, you make comments implying something is a fact based upon personal knowledge.  Can you answer Jim's questions?  If you have information proving your allegations post it so it can be looked at.  Thanks.

[Evan Marshall]

I've always thought that one of the reasons the conspiracy wasn't tumbled to earlier was simply the fact that we as a nation were too innocent and did not have a clue that such enthusiastic evil existed within our own government.

[Guest Rich Pope]

1 hour ago, John Kozlowski said:

I’d take the word of these couple people over the Amazon reviewers. Seems like the guy is a forger of documents and a disinformation specialist 

 

Forging CIA documents is a felony.  I'm not willing to lose my life and my freedom over something so reckless.  And yet again, another person on this forum who finds it more important to attack a person and their character than what is actually being posted.

Edited October 1, 2019 by Rich Pope

[Guest Rich Pope]

17 hours ago, David Andrews said:

Rich, to boot, that Nicoletti thing is a Files tapes hangover, and a non-starter.  Nobody's going to put a Chicago mob boss whose rifle experience was drunken deer hunt weekends in the woods north of Chi in a Dealey window.  If they had, Nicoletti would have disappeared after the assassination instead of shot to death in 1977.  If you're going to dump Files, dump his boss with him.

I'm going on the quote from Nicoletti himself which I'll post again, "Mobster Johnny Roselli once bragged to a source that he and his men murdered JFK from the sewer drain and the grassy knoll while the police and witnesses were running around like chickens with their heads cut off.' -- M. Wesley Swearingen, To Kill a President, 2008.  Jimmy Hoffa, upon hearing of JFK's death stood on a chair in a restaurant and cheered.  "I hope the worms eat his eyes out."  Santos Trafficante also commented that "Hoffa owes us big for this one."  Trafficante was also quoted as saying, "There were three people who knew who shot Kennedy.  Now there are only two and we're not talking" after the death of Jimmy Hoffa.

These "two" people were Giancana and Trafficante.  

It was the Mafia and the CIA all the way, working together with LBJ and the FBI as part of the cover-up.

 

Edited October 1, 2019 by Rich Pope

[Guest Rich Pope]

2 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

I agree with Jim.  Rich, you make comments implying something is a fact based upon personal knowledge.  Can you answer Jim's questions?  If you have information proving your allegations post it so it can be looked at.  Thanks.

Cory, when you say "Jim" are you referring to "James DiEugenio"?

[Guest Rich Pope]

14 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

First, the book Regicide turned out to be a hoax, and Gregory Douglas is just one of more than one pseudonyms. Most people should know this by now. If you do not, click below:

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/beware-the-douglas-janney-simkin-silver-bullets

The idea that the CIA and Mob are flip sides of the same coin is a real stretch.  If it were true, then Bissell would not have had to search for an intermediary.  He just would have phoned someone like Trafficante himself.

Rich, what is your proof that Harvey located the killers of JFK?  This would mean that you know who actually pulled the triggers and how they were recruited.  Or you are assuming that ZR Rifle was used for the JFK hit? Why would you assume that?

OMG and you are using Barr McClellan as a source also?  And no I do not agree that Hoover was kept in the loop.  How do you know such a thing? All the indications seem to me to be the opposite.

The idea of a massive plot including several different first surfaced in that stilted piece of disinformation we now call the Torbitt Document, except its not a document. Its a classic piece of disinformation.  In its intent, its design and its sourcing. I consider the Douglas book to be more of the same.

In the middle of April 1963, Chicago Mafia boss Sam Giancana advised Crowley that a team of Corsicans had been assembled.  Their price for the job was one hundred thousand dollars per man, and there were four involved.  

Lucien Sarti  (grassy knoll shooter)

Francois Chiappe  (location unknown)

Jean-Paul Angeletti (location unknown)

Jean Soutre (location unknown)

Two of these men were to serve as shooters, while the other two were to appear as law enforcement with false credentials.  

The immediate overseer of the execution of the plot was William King Harvey, former FBI agent and head of the Berlin operation based in the CIA.  page 93, footnote 95 Regincide by Gregory Douglas

Also, Malcolm Wallace's fingerprints were found on a box on the sixth floor of the TSBD.  

On March 12, 1998, a 1951 fingerprint of Malcolm "Mac" Wallace was positively matched with a copy of a fingerprint labeled "Unknown," a fresh print lifted on November 22, 1963, from a carton by the southeast sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository. This carton was labeled "Box A," and also contained several fingerprints identified as those of Lee Harvey Oswald. The identification was made by A. Nathan Darby, a Certified Latent Print Examiner with several decades experience. Mr. Darby is a member of the International Association of Identifiers, and was chosen to help design the Eastman Kodak Miracode System of transmitting fingerprints between law enforcement agencies. Mr. Darby signed a sworn, notarized affidavit stating that he was able to affirm a 14-point match between the "Unknown" fingerprint and the "blind" print card submitted to him, which was the 1951 print of Mac Wallace's. US law requires a 12-point match for legal identification; Darby's match is more conclusive than the legal minimum. As cardboard does not retain fingerprints for long, it is certain that Malcolm E. Wallace left his fingerprint on "Box A" on the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository early on November 22, 1963.  Dave Reitzes, Yellow Roses (1999)

 

 

2 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

I agree with Jim.  Rich, you make comments implying something is a fact based upon personal knowledge.  Can you answer Jim's questions?  If you have information proving your allegations post it so it can be looked at.  Thanks.

Cory, when you say "Jim" are you referring to "James DiEugenio"?