Kirk Gallaway Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) Yow! Woke back up after a 3 hour nap. Biden wins in Texas despite Sanders outspending Biden 10 to 1! Biden wins in Massachusetts splitting the Bernie and Warren vote. Biden wins in Minnesota without even really having a campaign on no more than an endorsement from Klobuchar? Wow, what a party boss she turned out to be! Bernie loses Oklahoma to Biden which he won over Hillary in 2016!! Jim said:The Democratic establishment will resort to anything in order to stop Bernie. They did a good job tonight in achieving that end. Without a doubt that's what they want, and I'm hearing it reflected in the relief in the voices of the pundits on CNN from here in Ecuador. But there's no conspiracy here. Just like Trump's success in 2016. Just as no matter how you spin Iowa and Buttigieg or those other wimpy states, (do you really think any of these states care about whether Bernie really won Iowa when they went into the booth tonight???) The fact is Iowa, New Hampshire and Nevada don't even account for 4% of the total delegates.That whole silly preamble of early states is really the best case you can make for a regional primary. No, This is a grass roots retreat to the center! AAAAAAAAAAAh! What you're not taking into account is.......Bob, and his doubts. Or the entire black population, they must be very hard to penetrate because they've been give so many promises over the years. I've seen what this irrational fear of Trump will do to people's thinking. I'm convinced Bernie has every bit as much a chance of decisively beating Trump as Biden and probably more. But it looks like people are just burned out on the whole scene and just don't want the polarization of a Bernie-Trump race, and that's in part what they're saying. This does not look good for Bernie at all. If it gets down to discounting Bernie's impressive showing in California, we have a system of government where the rest of the states can easily ignore it. Edited March 4, 2020 by Kirk Gallaway Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) Biden cleaning up by showing up, running a campaign with as much message and enthusiasm as Hillary's in 2016. Hmm... Edited March 4, 2020 by David Andrews Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 7 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said: Biden and Trump. Bernie isn't cognitively impaired. Yes, I was referring to Trump and Joe Biden as the two cognitively-impaired septuagenarians who will square off in November. Adderall vs. Aricept. It looks to me like Biden will be the DNC-backed 2020 nominee-- like Hillary in 2016 and Mondale (over Gary Hart) in 1984. Bernie won Colorado and California, but-- a shocker for me-- lost Massachusetts. (WTF?) Bloomberg won 20% of the Colorado vote with his television commercials, all from the rural rancher counties on Colorado's eastern plains-- the areas where people have satellite dishes on their trailers. If there is a silver lining, as Bob said, it's that conservative voters in some of the key swing states may be more likely to vote for Biden than for Bernie in November. The big winners last night-- health insurance corporations, Big Pharma, Big Oil, Netanyahu, and the military-industrial complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Andrews Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Bloomberg quits! A concerted effort to make Biden the new normal over Bernie. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/04/mike-bloomberg-quits-2020-primary-race-democrats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 21 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: Yes, I was referring to Trump and Joe Biden as the two cognitively-impaired septuagenarians who will square off in November. Adderall vs. Aricept. It looks to me like Biden will be the DNC-backed 2020 nominee-- like Hillary in 2016 and Mondale (over Gary Hart) in 1984. Bernie won Colorado and California, but-- a shocker for me-- lost Massachusetts. (WTF?) Bloomberg won 20% of the Colorado vote with his television commercials, all from the rural rancher counties on Colorado's eastern plains-- the areas where people have satellite dishes on their trailers. If there is a silver lining, as Bob said, it's that conservative voters in some of the key swing states may be more likely to vote for Biden than for Bernie in November. The big winners last night-- health insurance corporations, Big Pharma, Big Oil, Netanyahu, and the military-industrial complex. Glad you threw in Mondale/Hart. The message for me in all this is that no matter how much the people want the things that progressives and socialists stand for they will never get them because they don’t believe they have the numbers to win. And given the massive voter suppression they are probably right. So we will get 4 more years of Trump, or we’ll get a stopgap Biden presidency. But nothing noteworthy will change, even if we flip the Senate. I guess things will just have to get a lot worse before there is a chance of turning the tide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Carter Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 It looks, though, that the Democratic Party establishment had to play all their cards this week. Both Buttigieg and Klobuchar woke up Monday morning still candidates, and that changed by noon that day. Plenty of time yet for a Biden meltdown. Deja vu, prepared to lose with Biden rather than win with Sanders? Appears so. A fair number of observers see the Russiagate/election interference narrative continuing in place of any real policy initiatives. A false time-wasting narrative which diluted the energy necessary to overcome resistance to progressive change. Transcript of excellent speech by Libertarian Scott Horton, a comprehensive history of the past three decades: "The New Cold War With Russia Is All America’s Fault" https://original.antiwar.com/scott/2020/03/02/the-new-cold-war-with-russia-is-all-americas-fault/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Bauer Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 (edited) Bloomberg's 500 million dollar three month campaign project is finished. Warren is no longer a threat. Sander's looks like he can't catch Biden. Mission accomplished. Our wealthiest 5% ruling class can breathe a sigh of relief. Edited March 4, 2020 by Joe Bauer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cliff Varnell Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Paul Brancato said: Glad you threw in Mondale/Hart. The message for me in all this is that no matter how much the people want the things that progressives and socialists stand for they will never get them because they don’t believe they have the numbers to win. And given the massive voter suppression they are probably right. So we will get 4 more years of Trump, or we’ll get a stopgap Biden presidency. But nothing noteworthy will change, even if we flip the Senate. I guess things will just have to get a lot worse before there is a chance of turning the tide. I think it’s a noteworthy change to replace a vicious sociopath hellbent on dictatorship. I think folks overlook the impact on the Judiciary that a President makes. Think the country can survive a second Trump term? I don’t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
W. Niederhut Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said: I think it’s a noteworthy change to replace a vicious sociopath hellbent on dictatorship. I think folks overlook the impact on the Judiciary that a President makes. Think the country can survive a second Trump term? I don’t. Sometimes I wonder if this country (and the planet) will even survive Donald Trump's first term. The idea of this under-educated, orange, narcissistic loon having the nuclear codes, with no rational, ethical advisors left in his inner NSC circle, is truly terrifying. He lacks basic knowledge about everything from history, science, and geography to macroeconomics, including any awareness of his own ignorance, (i.e. the "Dunning-Krueger" syndrome) and is too narcissistic to tolerate advice, or contradictions, from informed advisers. I seriously doubt that Donald Trump even understands the basic science of nuclear physics (or virology, for that matter.) Perhaps it's fortuitous that Putin has Trump by the short hairs. It might be the one thing that keeps Trump from starting WWIII. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James DiEugenio Posted March 4, 2020 Author Share Posted March 4, 2020 Bloomberg getting out helps Biden. Warren staying in, hurts Bernie. Its still fairly close as far as delegates go. And I have not done any kind of preview as to what the predictions would be in those states or how much money Bernie has vs Biden. But you can bet that Biden's coffers will be full now as will his PAC's by people like Bloomberg. Bernie can still win, but its going to be really tough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 55 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said: Sometimes I wonder if this country (and the planet) will even survive Donald Trump's first term. I've wondered the same thing. If Trump loses in November, are you confident that he will just concede? He might just call the election results a hoax or massive fraud and tell us to believe him and not what we're hearing from "the enemy of the people." Want the opinion of an evangelical Christian? TV huckster Jim Bakker said a couple of years ago that it Trump was ever impeached, there would be a Second American Civil War. Well, that didn't happen, but that doesn't compare to getting voted out of office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Ness Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Two words. Eugene McCarthy. Young people turn was worse than 2016. I'm afraid to say if Bernie gets the nom it's McCarthy all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 Point well taken Cliff. On a macro level my faith is shaken. That’s why I said that things may need to get worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 35 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said: Want the opinion of an evangelical Christian? Do you have any orthodox Jewish opinions? How about observant Muslims? Then again what would a devout Catholic say? I quoted an evangelical Christian because evangelical Chistians are part of his base. But don't worry about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Bulman Posted March 4, 2020 Share Posted March 4, 2020 6 hours ago, Joe Bauer said: Bloomberg's 500 million dollar three month campaign project is finished. Warren is no longer a threat. Sander's looks like he can't catch Biden. Mission accomplished. Our wealthiest 5% ruling class can breathe a sigh of relief. If I recall right Bloomberg said before he ever threw his hat in the ring of Warren words to the effect of we certainly don't want her as president. Wasn't he a hedge fund manager on wall street. Isn't that where he made his 55-60 billion? The article below is an example of the types of things she fought against. Biden's been in bed with wall street his whole life, heck most of them moved corporate hq's to his state. Yeah, mission accomplished, Mike backs Joe now. What's a half billion to guarantee she didn't get 2 cents our of every dollar over xxx million when you've got 60 bil. https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/realestate/the-great-wall-street-housing-grab/ar-BB10IViW?li=BBnbfcN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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