Mark Zaid, JFK and Trump

[W. Niederhut]

15 minutes ago, Jeff Carter said:

Just a source that isn't someone's opinion. If the evidence consists of "there are no other parties that could do so or were in a position to do so" then it isn't evidence.

 

15 minutes ago, Jeff Carter said:

Just a source that isn't someone's opinion. If the evidence consists of "there are no other parties that could do so or were in a position to do so" then it isn't evidence.

How about the archive of the 35,000 Russian Facebook ads from 2016 that I posted for you?

Evidence?

[Jeff Carter]

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

How about the archive of the 35,000 Russian Facebook ads from 2016 that I posted for you?

Evidence?

It's fairly well established that the ads exist and existed at the accepted times they were posted. The entity responsible says they are part of a commercial marketing scheme, while the Senate Subcommittee says they represent a GRU hybrid war effort to sow chaos and division in America. There is no evidence for the latter assertion  and some evidence for the former.

[W. Niederhut]

20 minutes ago, Jeff Carter said:

It's fairly well established that the ads exist and existed at the accepted times they were posted. The entity responsible says they are part of a commercial marketing scheme, while the Senate Subcommittee says they represent a GRU hybrid war effort to sow chaos and division in America. There is no evidence for the latter assertion  and some evidence for the former.

But, of course!   It wasn't done by the "Russian government," eh?

As Putin, himself, said, "Perhaps private Russian citizens did something." (wink wink)

[Bob Ness]

4 hours ago, Jeff Carter said:

Just a source that isn't someone's opinion. If the evidence consists of "there are no other parties that could do so or were in a position to do so" then it isn't evidence.

Pow! Let's see how you evade this...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/12054164/Vladimir-Putins-annual-press-conference-2015-live.html

[Bob Ness]

8 hours ago, Douglas Caddy said:

David Talbot wrote on Facebook today:

"Trump and all the president's men are clearly "going through some things," in the now immortal words of The Donald. My old FB "friend" Roger Stone, one of the Republican Party's leading black ops masters ever since Nixon, is now facing many years in prison (which at age 68 could amount to a life sentence). Next in the Trump jailhouse rumba line: Rudy Giuliani. The former New York federal prosecutor and mayor -- and believe it or not, national hero -- is almost certainly now going to prison. Giuliani will have the rare pleasure of strolling in the prison yard with some of the mobsters he put behind bars. After Ambassador Yovanovitch's dramatic testimony this morning, Giuliani has gone from being "America's Mayor" to public enemy number two. Number one is his client"

 

We'll see how Sondland fairs. If he pleads fifth then he's next up. If he's accidently honest or some such crazy thing then it's Rudy's turn.

[W. Niederhut]

6 hours ago, Bob Ness said:

We'll see how Sondland fairs. If he pleads fifth then he's next up. If he's accidently honest or some such crazy thing then it's Rudy's turn.

         At this point, I don't see how anything Sondland says or doesn't say can alter the established fact that Trump persistently withheld military aid and a White House meeting with Zelensky as part of his extortion campaign to pressure President Z to publicly smear Biden.   As Trump said,  he wanted President Z, "in a box,"  before "signing the check."  It was all about scamming Americans by manipulating public perceptions-- the one thing Trump does well.

[Paul Brancato]

31 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said:

I realize rehashing the 2017 news about 35,000 or 3,500 Facebook ads (I have seen both numbers - no one cares, say 35 million if it makes you feel better) is an important distraction for a few here, nonetheless, Jim started the thread by posting about his experience with the Whistle Blower Attorney Mark S. Zaid.

As I previously posted or linked to, Zaid, within 11 days of Trump's inauguration. Zaid's tweet.

In addition to a few other tweet's about getting rid of Trump ex-democratically, a few of Zade's former Whistle Blower clients came forward and basically said that Zaid works for the CIA (not the Whistle Blower client paying the actual legal fees under the impression that Zade is their lawyer, not a CIA plant.)

The compelling evidence, that Zaid's M.O. is to cover up the crimes of the CIA, naturally prompted Trump's Crowd Sourcing Minions to dig deeper into this Zaid guy and of course they found more weirdness in his Social Media accounts.

His Youtube profile page shows he has a fondness for teen actresses in the Disney TV franchise, which makes the pictures he posted on Twitter of him posing at Disney a little more creepy; especially since he appears to be flying solo. 

Disney Creepiness or not, the CIA's attorney Mark Zaid went and tweeted this beauty out in Feb 2018.

While Niederhut and Mob Ness and a few others have preferred to focus on Facebook ads and the shoulda, woulda, couldas of the Mueller Report a very interesting document dump was made about two weeks ago into the FBI Vault. The document drop is called "The Finders Part 01 of 01."

The document is a 324 Page PDF consisting of files, reports, notes and clippings about the Finders Cult.

The Finders Cult was accused of endangering children back in the 1980s, if not outright involved in the trafficking of Children. It is a very interesting case for "conspiracy theorists" in that there have been suspicions that it was a CIA operation. Aside from trafficking suspicions, the Cults activities have many similarities to  MK Ultra type programming and related experiments.

The document dump from two weeks ago's added significant credence to research communities suspicions that the CIA was (is?) involved in:

• Child Trafficking 
• "Mind Control" experiments and related brain washing or programming.

In summary, Mark Zaid bragging about getting clearance for "guys who had child porn issues", but more importantly, the new information in the FBI Vault concerning the Finder's Cult, is worth serious consideration for those that are genuinely curious about the CIA's apparent need to get rid of President Trump sooner rather than later.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Interesting. But why don’t you reveal your sources for the disinfo regarding Democratic lawmakers whose children work in Ukraine? You can’t just shoot the messenger, in this case Snopes. It’s a thing these days to diss Snopes as not being reliable. And that makes perfect sense for people who deal in fake news.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Paul Brancato

[Jeff Carter]

13 hours ago, Bob Ness said:

Pow! Let's see how you evade this...

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/vladimir-putin/12054164/Vladimir-Putins-annual-press-conference-2015-live.html

Putin's "admission" still leaves the what, where and when undetermined, and what he described does not amount to an "invasion" which by definition refers to an "armed force" consisting of a "large number of people or things."

[Paul Brancato]

1 minute ago, Robert Wheeler said:

Paul.

Go back and look at what that Snopes fact check said about the Clinton Foundation not being a criminal enterprise.

Then go google “Charles Ortel” and watch 100+ hours of video, where he explains in detail the myriad of ways why the Clinton Foundation is the biggest charity fraud of all times.

He provides links to the relevant IRS rules, the fake incorporation documents used, and unsealed evidence from an earlier investigation.

After even the weakest effort imaginable on your part, you should be able to discern that Snopes assertion with respect to the CF is as about as weak your entire effort here to defend Bobs and Nierderhuts pro-coup Narrative.

Snopes is where teenagers go to ask if it’s true you can catch the clap from a Port-o-John. It is not worthy of a response.

You are now known as “Snopes” Brancato. Given the authority and gravitas you ascribe to that fact checking site, I am sure you will accept your new moniker proudly. 

 

 I accept. Meanwhile, could you provide a source for your assertion regarding other children of Democratic lawmakers. 

[Douglas Caddy]

10 hours ago, Bob Ness said:

We'll see how Sondland fairs. If he pleads fifth then he's next up. If he's accidently honest or some such crazy thing then it's Rudy's turn.

Stone was convicted of committing perjury before the House Intelligence Committee.

Sondland faces the same charge.

He can afford the very best criminal defense attorneys.

My guess is that they will advise him not to testify before the Impeachment Inquiry being conducted by the same committee or if he does to take the Fifth. But in a major criminal case there are always lots of unexpected twists and turns and we shall have to wait to see what happens in Sondland's case.

[Bob Ness]

1 hour ago, Jeff Carter said:

Putin's "admission" still leaves the what, where and when undetermined, and what he described does not amount to an "invasion" which by definition refers to an "armed force" consisting of a "large number of people or things."

Thought so.

Captain Yevgenny Yerofeyev and Sergeant Alexander Alexandrov, who have identified themselves as serving members of Russia’s GRU special forces  (what) and were taken prisoner in eastern Ukraine (where) in May (when).

Get serious Jeff.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Bob Ness

[James DiEugenio]

C'mon Bob.

The USA sends special forces all over the world to conduct proxy actions.

That does not mean the USA is invading the country.

And you want to make like you do not understand that?

Do you really think that if the Russians launched a full scale invasion of Donbass, they could not overrun the area?  With all the Russian sympathizers in their ranks already.

The Russians could launch a full scale three pronged attack by air, land and  sea.  

Obviously, Putin does not think its worth that much. Either in money, men, or public image. What he probably is angling for is a separatist type of state e.g. Quebec.

You guys, geez, anything to avoid admitting that what Biden and HRC started back in at the beginning of the Obama administration and culminated in 2014 was an utter disaster.  And this is what it has led to.  (And OMG, never ever mention Libya and Honduras, also on HRC's watch.)

 

Edited November 16, 2019 by James DiEugenio

[Jeff Carter]

The former US ambassador to Ukraine Yovanovitch made a point in her testimony yesterday to praise Ukraine’s Interior Minister Avakov - a principal sponsor of the country’s fascist militias including the neo-nazi Azov Battalion. Express support by US officials for goose-stepping torchlight-parading Holocaust-revering fascist militias should be the story here, not semantic “gotcha” rhetorics.

[Bob Ness]

1 minute ago, James DiEugenio said:

C'mon Bob.

The USA sends special forces all over the world to conduct proxy actions.

That does not mean the USA is invading the country.

And you want to make like you do not understand that?

Do you really think that if the Russians launched a full scale invasion of Donbass, they could not overrun the area?  With all the Russian sympathizers in their ranks already.

The Russians could launch a full scale three pronged attack by air, land and  sea.  

Obviously, Putin does not think its worth that much.  What he probably is angling for is a separatist type of state e.g. Quebec.

Anything to avoid admitting that what Biden and HRC started back in at the beginning of the Obama administration and culminated in 2014 was an utter disaster.  And this is what it has led to.  (Any OMG, never ever mention Libya and Honduras, also on HRC's watch.)

 

I never said the US didn't. I usually don't approve or agree about the US's uninvited armed interventions. There should be Presidents in prison for some of them.

A full scale invasion of Ukraine would be disastrous for Russia and unnecessary. Russia only needs to keep the country destabilized while engaging in other forms of coercion to realign the Ukraine back into it's sphere. As I've said numerous times before, I understand why this is deemed necessary by Putin and others in Russia but don't agree with the underlying motives. Ukraine would be far better off as a member of the EU and for that matter so would Russia. I consider it a tragedy when Bush I and Clinton didn't pull out all the stops to help Russia while it was reeling from Yeltsin. My friends who were in Moscow at the time witnessed it turn into a gangster state real time.

Be mindful that HRC and Biden were the beneficiaries of the Bush administration's previous fiasco which we're still paying in spades for.

[Bob Ness]

1 hour ago, Jeff Carter said:

Express support by US officials for goose-stepping torchlight-parading Holocaust-revering fascist militias should be the story here, not semantic “gotcha” rhetorics.

Is this meant for me? This is a hard turn off our previous posts, not the usual nuanced deflection.

Do you suppose a GRU Captain and Sergeant were out picking flowers unchaperoned? I think not. In the US it would go something like Captain > 3 Lieutenants >  6 sergeants and three platoons with something on the order of 125 enlisted personnel. Approximately.

I'll concede they could be advisors or a special operations detachment of somewhat fewer troops but ordinarily that's how it would go I think. It could as easily be the opposite and they could have been part of a larger battalion size force with all the armor, artillery and other toys that has been reported by observers such as AP and so on. Either way, Putin admitted it and there's two who were captured and confirmed in Ukrainian territory. End of story.

Edited November 16, 2019 by Bob Ness