Lancer Dead, COPA Dead, Now CAPA?

[Ron Bulman]

2 hours ago, Vince Palamara said:

As evidence of other unlikely unions, connections, and locations: RFK riding in the same limousine his brother was assassinated in...with LBJ

 

 

 

 

RFK looks a little pained in all of these but the second, where his smile seems a little forced from the wrinkles on his forehead.

[Ron Bulman]

5 hours ago, Anthony Thorne said:

Trine Day has multiple good books and multiple 'cash cows' depending on the mood and season. When Bilderberg hits the news they end up selling a bunch of Daniel Estelin books on that topic. And when Frank Olson was covered in an Errol Morris documentary they sold more copies of HP Albarelli's book on that topic than usual. And Kris Millegan was probably too busy to think about it, but if he'd been on the ball Trine Day could have probably shifted a bunch more copies of Peter Levenda's Sinister Forces trilogy if they'd promoted the Manson stuff that floats through all those volumes alongside the release of Tarantino's fictitious rewrite of the Manson story in ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD.

I've read Walt Brown's disgusted coverage of Baker's books and understand that Baker writes junk for profit, but what can you do? If I go to the Trine Day site, scroll to the bottom, and then scroll back up and count the good to very good books that are solid works of coverage or research that I think are respectable contributions to their various fields, I can see at least 35 books that I either know or have read about enough to know are pretty good, and there's another near dozen that I know nothing about that are probably still legit. This leaves about ten or twelve books (including Baker's) that I suspect, or know, are junk. So maybe Kris Millegan isn't picky. Who knows? Either way, there weren't too many other publishers who were going out of their way to reprint Henrik Kruger's THE GREAT HEROIN COUP or Ari Ben Menashe's PROFITS OF WAR. The former was a book from the late 70's but Kris even got Kruger to write a new contemporary chapter for the book.

Is anyone at CAPA surprised that Baker is doing Baker stuff at her conference? She's a shifty woman and you wouldn't want to trust her with much. But you could also note that the mainstream TV networks in the US, ABC, CBS and NBC, have perpetuated more lies and junk about the JFK assassination than Baker cumulatively will across her entire life. On the anniversary of the 50th, some of them basically played disingenuous bullsh*t for 24 hours straight - or maybe it was for the whole week. You wouldn't want to trust those networks with anything much important either, but if one of the networks offered a researcher 30 minutes or an hour to talk uninterrupted to their audience, should the researcher turn it down because it somehow legitimises the crap the network peddled earlier? Beats me. Maybe some would say that they should.

If a researcher ends up talking to the crowd at Baker's festival, maybe they should gently refuse to endorse or discuss Baker's tale about how she once took Lee Harvey out on a couple of dates. That would be fair enough. But by and large I imagine the crowd that turned up at Baker's festival to hear various speakers talk aren't really there because they think that Baker's thwarted love life is a huge, ongoing national security issue. They're there because they think the fact a good President got whacked and the media and government covered it up after the event is something that should make people angry. At least I'm guessing that's why they're there. Maybe I'm wrong.

Baker wants to make money and she's discovered that the best way to sell her books is to build a small publicity empire on the back of more legitimate researchers, so she can sell herself as an important figure and move more copies of ME AND LEE. I fully understand why people wish things were different, and wish that she wasn't doing this, but she is, and probably isn't going to stop unless the research community hires Michael Palin from A FISH CALLED WANDA to drop a piano on her head, or if she passes away in the throes of a torrid romance with Jim Fetzer in the back of a taxi. Since she's going to so much trouble to arrange a speaking venue, sell tickets, and get members of the public interested in the assassination to walk through the gate, researchers should probably just say "Thanks Judy" and then basically ignore her while they talk to the crowd she's hustled up.

Bump on it's own merits.  But thanks for the belly laugh regarding the taxi.

[Rob Clark]

11 hours ago, Vince Palamara said:

You make some good points, Rob. Trust me-I fully "get" what you all are saying.

I look at it this way: my publisher, Kris Millegan of Trine Day, invited me to be a speaker for this past November conference; I accepted. I am a Trine Day author. I wasn't invited to CAPA.

Like I said above (and elsewhere), if you were a fly on the wall, you would definitely have the impression that this was a TRINE DAY conference--no photos of Judyth are anywhere to be found, no loyalty oaths are given, and, with so many (CAPA BOARD MEMBERS AND BOARD OF ADVISORS!!!) luminaries attending (Newman, the two Wechts, etc.), pretty soon there won't be anyone left to "safely" follow. 

As someone who "lived through" the Lancer/COPA feud of 1993-2000ish, I can tell you, WITH A STRAIGHT FACE, the bad feelings toward Deb Conway were identical to Judyth

Then Kris Millegan should run the conference, the fact remains it IS Judyth's Conference as shown by the LLC filing posted above. I get why its chock full of Trine Day authors...he can write off paying everybody's expenses to come to Dallas and speak as a business promotional expense. CAPA cannot do this. Again, just because you are invited, doesnt mean you have to accept. You wanna come to Dallas, foot your bill like everyone else, book a room, and buy a ticket. You say look Kris, "I appreciate the offer but on principal, I just can't be a part of anything that Judyth Baker has her hands in." End of discussion.  And she was front and center...she was a featured speaker at that conference, she, not Kris, and the other fraud Bev Oliver were the face of the Grassy Knoll observance,  and her meeting with Oliver Stone overshadowed anything that happened at either conference. She is the catalyst as to why this "community" is so fractured and now imploding.

The difference between Deb Conway and JVB, is that the allegations against Deb were speculation and couldn't be proven in any way. JVB is a provable fraud and has been exposed from every way possible over the years by David Josephs, Greg Parker, Barb Junkkarien, Pamela Brown, Walt Brown, Carmine Savastano, Chuck Ochelli, and countless others...and those are just the CT's who have exposed her, not to mention Reitzes, McAdams...etc. To not know at this point is willful ignorance. 

[Ron Bulman]

So is there a chance CAPA or yet possibly another reorganized version of it CPA/Lancer may yet survive?   The conferences have provided much information to the public over the years.  They are invaluable in the pursuit of the Truth Imho.  They are the only US/Dallas alternative to what Bart calls Judyconn.

[B. A. Copeland]

Vince the significant aspect about those photos is that, we now know, thanks to the historical record, that Bobby and Jackie both believed JFK was murdered by domestic opponents and related this (via Bill Walton) to the Russians.

Those photos are fascinating however....I mean the same car? If not for these photos (and they are indeed the vehicle JFK was shot in) I’d never believe Bobby would do it...maybe it’s a case of doing what you need to do politically and strategically as a means to a political end similar to Bobby also publicly endorsing the WC when the message to the Russians clearly contradicts the WC’s conclusion.

[James DiEugenio]

The reason RFK stayed on under Johnson was simple.

He considered the Civil Rights Act to be his brother's legacy in that field.  Not Johnson's.

So he stayed on to make sure it passed.  As is proven in the fine book, The Bill of the Century, RFK was one of the three main forces who got the bill passed, the other two being Thomas Kuchel and Humphrey.  The idea that LBJ had any serious  impact on that is a myth that was started by the likes of Kay Graham and perpetuated by another mythologist Robert Caro. 

In the other fine book, The Revolution of Robert Kennedy, the author notes that, quickly after  the bill  passed, Bobby was gone.

[Ron Bulman]

On 1/21/2020 at 8:05 PM, Vince Palamara said:

As evidence of other unlikely unions, connections, and locations: RFK riding in the same limousine his brother was assassinated in...with LBJ

 

 

 

 

Thanks for posting these Vince.  I've been going to mention the obvious, that they are all of different trips.  Knowing they didn't like each other in the first place I'd have never imagined them riding together willingly.  Especially in that car regarding RFK.  One can almost feel his anguish in the last picture.

Do you know where they were going in them, maybe when? 

[Vince Palamara]

On 2/11/2020 at 10:16 PM, Ron Bulman said:

Thanks for posting these Vince.  I've been going to mention the obvious, that they are all of different trips.  Knowing they didn't like each other in the first place I'd have never imagined them riding together willingly.  Especially in that car regarding RFK.  One can almost feel his anguish in the last picture.

Do you know where they were going in them, maybe when? 

Not sure myself.

[Pamela Brown]

On 1/20/2020 at 2:20 PM, Rob Clark said:

According to CAPA member Bill Kelly, there was big blowup at the last CAPA meeting over the blowback from the Oliver Stone/Judyth Baker debacle. Even capitulating that JFK Conferences LLC should pick up half of Oliver Stone's travel, lodging expenses and speaking fee. Because of the blowback, Kelly is blaming critics of the 2019 CAPA conference for its impending demise. I offer that they brought it upon themselves cavorting with Judyth and recognizing her conference as legitimate. The simple fact that their own Chairman of the Board Cyril Wecht, chose to speak at her conference, AND speak on the Grassy Knoll with her group..and it was her group doing the Knoll ceremony along with other noted fraud Beverly Oliver, coupled with Oliver Stone spending more time over there at her conference than at CAPA that are the main issues here. If CAPA goes, this leaves fraud Judyth Baker the sole Dallas-based conference. As Bill so eloquently said..."Congratulations" 🙄 This is what it has come to...if you cant do and run the Dallas conference correctly and successfully, then maybe it is time to go. Hell...even John Newman is speaking at the next JudyCon/TrineDay/JFKHistoricalGroup conference in April in Kansas City...Really guys?

With all due respect, dividing up, discrediting and destroying the CT community is what Judyth has been about all along...

[Joseph McBride]

I declined an offer to speak at Judyth Baker's conference before the last one. The research

community should avoid disinformation specialists and frauds. Instead some fall

under the spell of people such as her and the late Mary Ferrell, to name just two. They

do immense harm to the cause of truth.

[George Govus]

I really need a score card.

I'm familiar with what makes folks think REKABVJ  is a scam artist.

But,  I only know of LLERREFM from her foundation's website, which I have been treating as a repository of factual records having to do with JFK's murder, and other historical controversies.