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Hi all, long time stalker, first time contributor and excited to be on the best JFK Assassination site with the biggest names in the business.

Prayerman. Its got to be Oswald right? The hair, the height with BWF, the shirt, the t-shirt, the awkward stance, "standing out front," holding a Coke? Everything adds up.....Then there's the superb Prayerman thread where Sean Murphy et al expertly pick through the available evidence, misinformation, buffoonery and lies to emerge with a credible scenario, a possible game changer! If only they'd give us the film...

But...if it is Oswald, what is he doing there? Throughout his menial intelligence 'career' his handlers, carers and guardians have manipulated his presence and actions to further his notoriety, him probably as an unwitting participant. So if he was to be the fall guy at the main event, how and why was he allowed to wander the TSBD, shout down lift shafts, lunch in the domino room, enjoy a beverage in the lunchroom, mumble to staff, guide reporters, be in vestibules and storerooms and be seen by various folk. He may even have popped 'out front' to join in the fun. Seems he wandered the TSBD as he would any given lunchtime. Shouldn't he have been under strict instructions to be at a certain place for a certain length of time? The 7th floor and the roof seem the best locations to me...

"Lee....12 till 1.....just be there.....I don't know.....count the pigeons, enjoy the view, get a tan......just BE there....."

Easily done I would have thought. Maybe the crime of the century- devised and authorised by America's top brass -was a pretty badly organised event, not as meticulously planned as we may have imagined it to be? They didn't even get his prints on the rifle, clip or shells or plant ammo in the garage. Again, easily done I would have thought.

In a nutshell, if Prayerman is Oswald, whats he doing there?

Sean

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Mmm...I admire your simplistic outlook...doesn’t really convince me, but good argument to my problem tho

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5 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

.But...if it is Oswald, what is he doing there? Throughout his menial intelligence 'career' his handlers, carers and guardians have manipulated his presence and actions to further his notoriety, him probably as an unwitting participant. So if he was to be the fall guy at the main event, how and why was he allowed to wander the TSBD, shout down lift shafts, lunch in the domino room, enjoy a beverage in the lunchroom, mumble to staff, guide reporters, be in vestibules and storerooms and be seen by various folk.

Simple. 

The plotters could count on all eyes glued to the P. parade. 

That's how they got away with shooting from multiple positions.

Witnesses readily suppressed, eh?

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Again, admiration for a simple outlook, Cliff. 
Although....the plotters couldn’t count on ALL eyes being glued to the parade, Geneva Hines didn’t seem  all that bothered and stayed at her desk. Jack Dougherty was also inside the building not waving at the president. Mind you, his testimonies are sketchy at best, so he may not count.

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I've thought for some time now that the plan wasn't to have Oswald look like the shooter, but rather to have him look like one of a number of conspirators to kill the president.

According to my theory, the following is how it was supposed to appear to the FBI in their post-assassination investigation: Oswald's job was to coordinate with his Russian and Cuban conspirators in Mexico City, and to collect a $6500 down payment for the job. Two of Oswald's buddies were to shoot the president, one shooting with a Mauser and the other with a Carcano.

It didn't matter where Oswald was during the shooting. Though for greatest convincement, he should at least be at the TSBD that day.

 

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4 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

Again, admiration for a simple outlook, Cliff. 
Although....the plotters couldn’t count on ALL eyes being glued to the parade, Geneva Hines didn’t seem  all that bothered and stayed at her desk. Jack Dougherty was also inside the building not waving at the president. Mind you, his testimonies are sketchy at best, so he may not count.

Hine did look out while the parade went past.

Mr. BALL. Did you stay at your desk?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east window in our office.
Mr. BALL. Did you go to the window?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you look out?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you see?
Miss HINE. I saw the escort car come first up the middle of Houston Street.
Mr. BALL. Going north on Houston Street?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; going north on Houston Street. I saw it turn left and I saw the President's car coming and I saw the President and saw him waving his hand in greeting up in the air and I saw his wife and I saw him turn the corner and after he turned the corner I looked and I saw the next car coming Just at the instant I saw the next car coming up was when I heard the shots.

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3 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

I've thought for some time now that the plan wasn't to have Oswald look like the shooter, but rather to have him look like one of a number of conspirators to kill the president.

According to my theory, the following is how it was supposed to appear to the FBI in their post-assassination investigation: Oswald's job was to coordinate with his Russian and Cuban conspirators in Mexico City, and to collect a $6500 down payment for the job. Two of Oswald's buddies were to shoot the president, one shooting with a Mauser and the other with a Carcano.

It didn't matter where Oswald was during the shooting. Though for greatest convincement, he should at least be at the TSBD that day.

 

Sandy, I’m with you on the SW window Mauser causing all GJC’s wounds while he’s squirming around in his little jump seat trying his best to turn to see what’s going on behind him, and surely the MC must have been fired out the window, it was destined to be the accused’s personal rifle? Not sure it hit anything but tarmac or cement tho..

By “two of Oswald’s buddies” do you mean Cubans? I always imagined him to be alone and out of the loop, the unsuspecting scapegoat. Interesting.

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42 minutes ago, Bart Kamp said:

Hine did look out while the parade went past.

Mr. BALL. Did you stay at your desk?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east window in our office.
Mr. BALL. Did you go to the window?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you look out?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you see?
Miss HINE. I saw the escort car come first up the middle of Houston Street.
Mr. BALL. Going north on Houston Street?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; going north on Houston Street. I saw it turn left and I saw the President's car coming and I saw the President and saw him waving his hand in greeting up in the air and I saw his wife and I saw him turn the corner and after he turned the corner I looked and I saw the next car coming Just at the instant I saw the next car coming up was when I heard the shots.

Bart, it’s an honour to be corrected by yourself, I love your work and read it often! Fantastic.

Her desk was right by the window tho....she was still at her post?

 

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Mr. BALL. Did you have to change your desk over to another desk?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; to the middle desk on the front row.
Mr. BALL. Was there a switchboard?
Miss HINE. No, sir; we have a telephone with three incoming lines, then we have the warehouse line and we have an intercom system.
Mr. BALL. You don't have a switchboard?
Miss HINE. Not now; we did in the other building.
Mr. BALL. Were you alone then at this time?
Miss HINE. Yes.
Mr. BALL. Did you stay at your desk?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir: I was alone until the lights all went out and the phones became dead because the motorcade was coming near us and no one was calling so I got up and thought I could see it from the east window in our office.
Mr. BALL. Did you go to the window?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. Did you look out?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir.
Mr. BALL. What did you see?
Miss HINE. I saw the escort car come first up the middle of Houston Street.
Mr. BALL. Going north on Houston Street?
Miss HINE. Yes, sir; going north on Houston Street. I saw it turn left and I saw the President's car coming and I saw the President and saw him waving his hand in greeting up in the air and I saw his wife and I saw him turn the corner and after he turned the corner I looked and I saw the next car coming Just at the instant I saw the next car coming up was when I heard the shots.

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6 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

By “two of Oswald’s buddies” do you mean Cubans? I always imagined him to be alone and out of the loop, the unsuspecting scapegoat. Interesting.

 

Sean,

I'm glad you commented on my post, because what you said made me realize that I wasn't clear in describing my theory. Here it is again with appropriate edits:

According to my theory.... Oswald didn't go to Mexico City at all. Rather, an imposter did along with two or three others. They went by car, though the car trip was covered up by the FBI to remove signs of conspiracy. (This is why the FBI fabricated the bus trip, as demonstrated by David Josephs.)

The goal of the CIA plotters was to make it look like Oswald was coordinating with his Russian and Cuban conspirators in Mexico City, and collecting a $6500 down payment for the job. And the CIA plotters made it look like two of Oswald's buddies shot Kennedy on 11/22, one shooting with a Mauser and the other with a Carcano.

 

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1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Sean,

I'm glad you commented on my post, because what you said made me realize that I wasn't clear in describing my theory. Here it is again with appropriate edits:

According to my theory.... Oswald didn't go to Mexico City at all. Rather, an imposter did along with two or three others. They went by car, though the car trip was covered up by the FBI to remove signs of conspiracy. (This is why the FBI fabricated the bus trip, as demonstrated by David Josephs.)

The goal of the CIA plotters was to make it look like Oswald was coordinating with his Russian and Cuban conspirators in Mexico City, and collecting a $6500 down payment for the job. The CIA plotters made it look like two of Oswald's buddies shot Kennedy on 11/22, one shooting with a Mauser and the other with a Carcano.

 

Yes..yes..then they drop in on Silvia Odio on the way back?

Where can I find David Joseph’s bus trip theory? Not read it.

many thanks

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3 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

Yes..yes..then they drop in on Silvia Odio on the way back?

Where can I find David Joseph’s bus trip theory? Not read it.

many thanks

Sean, Check out the Mexico City thread.  David has links on his post on page one which links to his research @ KennedysandKing

Keep you busy for quite some time!

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Still not sure why Oswald was allowed to be on the front steps.....if he is Prayerman...

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The answer to that probably lies in the fact that as a "patsy", Oswald only had to be framed / associated with the shooting - as Sandy describes above.  The fact that he was not "visibly" on the sixth floor or doing anything which would have made him really obvious as the shooter on the sixth floor suggests that he may well have been under some minor level of manipulation but was not knowingly involved in the attack - no matter what else he might have done related to a rifle being in the building.  The fact that his behavior afterwards is so seemingly random also suggests that he was not under any degree of real control that day.

One of the real problems for all of us is Monday morning quarterbacking the plan with Oswald as the key element - when of course Oswald as the lone nut single shooter getting all the attention in regard to the assassination is an artifact of the official story line to suppress an investigation of conspiracy, not necessarily of the actual conspiracy plan.

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