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2 hours ago, Kirk Gallaway said:
From what I can see, these whiners  who claim their liberties are infringed are losers who never made any sacrifices for anything greater than themselves anyway.  I'd round them all up and send them to a 6 week DSBC "Deep State Boot Camp" and subject them to hard physical labor and an extreme fitness regimen. Let them at last, see the hard  reality beyond their squawking fears.
 
Anybody who acts up, I'd tie them to a chair. Strap an N 95 mask on them, with mirrors all around them, so they can fully  contemplate the horror of their new pitiful self image, further  exacerbated by multi racial  groups of gawkers filing  by and staring  at them. 
 
Strict social distancing will be practiced, though given their undisciplined nature, I expect the same problems of pirates long out at sea, they will be surveiled by our bunk cam and will be dealt with accordingly. At night, I'd subject them to "sensitivity training" by our strident young, new "PC police" cadets.
 
Actually I'm kidding, I would take the most strident of the left PC  police, like the the people in Berkeley who were protesting Bill Maher and whoever that gay, Greek Breitbart Republican guy,( Thank God, I no longer have to learn to pronounce his name) speaking there  and I'd throw them in the boot camp as well. Though their numbers will be far less. Just the same, At night we'll  have them square off, and employ "Reverse Role Playing" techniques  using  pandemic approved  masks on sticks.
 
After 6 weeks, they'd be released. The hope is, that at that point the only thing that will make them sick is standing on solid ground. Which reflects how ultimately hopeless I think there condition is. But if they relapse, we'll surgically mop them up like the virus itself, and this time it wont be to a boot camp.
 
The left has got it all wrong, instead of the usual tactics of trying to indoctrinate non believers, We take a page from the right and just throw them in  camps. You punish them as they would and have punished others. You enslave them. Screw this Alt left sh-t, we call ourselves the new "Hard Left".

...Quit soft peddling this stuff Kirk and tell us what you really think...

I had a similar attitude toward the anti face mask crowd until I had a long conversation with an old friend who has no income now and a pre-teen at home who’s getting super restless. Lives in Michigan. We were involved in the Hard Left punk rock movement in Berkeley in the 80’s.

I tried to talk her down from her new found support for Trump’s Reopen Now agenda. She finds it hard to breathe in a mask, so it’s a problem.

I’m all for the Common Good but remain mindful that lots of folks fall thru the cracks.

I don’t agree with critics of the UC Berkeley students who protested Bill Maher.  The right to free speech does not grant rights to a venue. Does a satanist have a right to free speech at Liberty University to discuss the 11 Rules of Satanism on Earth?

Hell no!

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6 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:

Yes thank you.

If you watch the series "Ozark" on NetFlix it goes into a lot of money laundering techniques. I'm halfway through season 2.

Long story short, the main character wants to buy a Casino because it's mostly a cash business. The Philly/NYC Mafia would have used the AC casinos in the same way. Dirty cash in and clean cash out.

 

Thanks, I love Ozark.

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On 5/20/2020 at 2:34 PM, Kirk Ross said:

FWIW, have you seen this?  Not exactly the MSM take on  it.

http://jimhougan.com/JimJones.html

Thanks for posting this. I had read it some time ago but enjoyed doing so again. It’s so interesting that Jim Jones went to the Soviet Union around the time Oswald was leaving, and that he had an apparent double using his identity. Again shades of Oswald. Invesco, where Jones ‘worked’, was certainly interesting, probably part of Skorzeny’s network.

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1 hour ago, Cliff Varnell said:

...Quit soft peddling this stuff Kirk and tell us what you really think...

I had a similar attitude toward the anti face mask crowd until I had a long conversation with an old friend who has no income now and an 11 year old at home who’s getting super restless. Lives in Michigan. We were involved in the Hard Left punk rock movement in Berkeley in the 80’s.

I tried to talk her down from her new found support for Trump’s Reopen Now agenda. She finds it hard to breathe in a mask, so it’s a problem.

I’m all for the Common Good but remain mindful that lots of folks fall thru the cracks.

I don’t agree with critics of the UC Berkeley students who protested Bill Maher.  The right to free speech does not grant rights to a venue. Does a satanist have a right to free speech at Liberty University to discuss the 11 Rules of Satanism on Earth?

Hell no!

I don’t agree with critics of the UC Berkeley students who protested Bill Maher.  The right to free speech does not grant rights to a venue. Does a satanist have a right to free speech at Liberty University to discuss the 11 Rules of Satanism on Earth?

Didn't someone from Berkeley have to "invite" Bill Maher? Like the Berkeley Bill Maher fan club or something.

It doesn't seem like Bill Maher would just show up and demand a venue.

Is there a fan club for Satan at an evangelical Christian university?

It doesn't seem like  Satanists can just show up and demand a venue.

Weird that Bill Maher, with say 1,000 fans at Berkeley, would get an invitation, but the Satanists, with say 2 fans at Liberty, would not get an invitation.

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12 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said:

I don’t agree with critics of the UC Berkeley students who protested Bill Maher.  The right to free speech does not grant rights to a venue. Does a satanist have a right to free speech at Liberty University to discuss the 11 Rules of Satanism on Earth?

Didn't someone from Berkeley have to "invite" Bill Maher? Like the Berkeley Bill Maher fan club or something.

It doesn't seem like Bill Maher would just show up and demand a venue.

Is there a fan club for Satan at an evangelical Christian university?

It doesn't seem like  Satanists can just show up and demand a venue.

Weird that Bill Maher, with say 1,000 fans at Berkeley, would get an invitation, but the Satanists, with say 2 fans at Liberty, would not get an invitation.

Good points. If the students of Liberty were objectively introduced to The 11 Rules of Satanism on Earth as an ethical rather than spiritual code there would be a significant number who could reconcile it with the ethical code of Christianity.

I’m not a satanist. I believe in a higher power of my own conception. I have vast respect for those who live lives in service of others.

Satanists hold their own free will as the highest power and view those who live lives in the service of others as chumps. I’m not down with that.

But as a personal code of conduct I’m down with the 11 rules.

Mostly in line with Christian ethics the 11 Rules of Satanism on Earth should be introduced to Christian colleges. But if lots of students protested, I wouldn’t blame a college for begging off.

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2 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Good points. If the students of Liberty were objectively introduced to The 11 Rules of Satanism on Earth as an ethical rather than spiritual code there would be a significant number who could reconcile it with the ethical code of Christianity.

I’m not a satanist. I believe in a higher power of my own conception. I have vast respect for those who live lives in service of others.

Satanists hold their own free will as the highest power and view those who live lives in the service of others as chumps. I’m not down with that.

But as a personal code of conduct I’m down with the 11 rules.

Mostly in line with Christian ethics the 11 Rules of Satanism on Earth should be introduced to Christian colleges. But if lots of students protested, I wouldn’t blame a college for begging off.

I don't think the Bill Maher / Satan analogy works.

Satanists at a Evangelical University are just there to stir the pot (provoke a possibly violent reaction) rather than educate or entertain. 

It's the same reason why the KKK doesn't get invited to Howard University and Illinois Nazis don't get invited to Yeshiva U.

The Evangelicals, Blacks and Jews didn't choose those schools to have to have their dogma's challenged. The same could be said of a student who chooses a school with a great pre-med curriculum because they want to be a doctor some day.

The student who wants to be exposed to all types of ideas should be able to attend a university where they are going to hear it all, the good and the bad. Berkeley, among others, should be that place. If Bill Maher is too controversial to handle, let alone the Nazis, Satanists and the KKK, then they should go back to their mom's basement.

 

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Just now, Robert Wheeler said:

I don't think the Bill Maher / Satan analogy works.

Satanists at a Evangelical University are just there to stir the pot (provoke a possibly violent reaction) rather than educate or entertain. 

When are satanists at Christian Universities?

I’m not referring to satanists per se — I’m referring to a text..

https://www.churchofsatan.com/eleven-rules-of-earth/

  1. Do not give opinions or advice unless you are asked.
  2. Do not tell your troubles to others unless you are sure they want to hear them.
  3. When in another’s lair, show him respect or else do not go there.
  4. If a guest in your lair annoys you, treat him cruelly and without mercy.
  5. Do not make sexual advances unless you are given the mating signal.
  6. Do not take that which does not belong to you unless it is a burden to the other person and he cries out to be relieved.
  7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.
  8. Do not complain about anything to which you need not subject yourself.
  9. Do not harm little children.
  10. Do not kill non-human animals unless you are attacked or for your food.
  11. When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone bothers you, ask him to stop. If he does not stop, destroy him.</q>
Just now, Robert Wheeler said:

merry It's the same reason why the KKK doesn't get invited to Howard University and Illinois Nazis don't get invited to Yeshiva U.

I beg to disagree. The only “rule” that’s of the occult is #7. 

Rule 11 is too harsh for Christians.

All the other rules are consistent with Christian codes of conduct.

Just now, Robert Wheeler said:

The Evangelicals, Blacks and Jews didn't choose those schools to have to have their dogma's challenged.

The 11 rules challenge no Christian dogma except #7, it might be argued.

 

Just now, Robert Wheeler said:

The same could be said of a student who chooses a school with a great pre-med curriculum because they want to be a doctor some day.

The student who wants to be exposed to all types of ideas should be able to attend a university where they are going to here it all, the good and the bad. Berkeley, among others, should be that place. If Bill Maher is too controversial to handle, let alone the Nazis, Satanists and the KKK, then they should go back to their mom's basement.

 

If the 11 rules are too controversial for you to handle I pity you.

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31 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

 

7. Acknowledge the power of magic if you have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you deny the power of magic after having called upon it with success, you will lose all you have obtained.

Substitute “faith in Christ” for the word “magic” and no preacher’s feathers ruffle, right?

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3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

probably part of Skorzeny’s network

Look at page 3 more than half way down.  He's mentioned.  Probably just a coincidence. 

and Jones being in Mexico City and Cuba in '62, another coincidence

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53 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

Substitute “faith in Christ” for the word “magic” and no preacher’s feathers ruffle, right?

I think you got it in your head that you want me to argue about Satan's top ten list + 1.

I never knew there was one, and now I guess I do. 

The first 4 rules + #8, could be consolidated into "Don't be annoying", but then Satan would only have 7 rules, not 11

They should serve you well on your next Dungeons & Dragons campaign.

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6 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said:

I think you got it in your head that you want me to argue about Satan's top ten list + 1.

There is no such thing. I believe the title is 11 Satanic Rules of Earth.

It’s by Anton LeVay. He mocked the hell out of the Catholic Church so some might project their belief in supernatural beings to satanists who only worship their own free will.

6 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said:


 

I never knew there was one, and now I guess I do. 
 

Now I guess you don’t.

6 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said:

The first 4 rules + #8, could be consolidated into "Don't be annoying", but then Satan would only have 7 rules, not 11
 

You have children but you think the admonishment “don’t be annoying” is satanic?

The message for you is “don’t be literal.”

If you don’t get the joke the joke’s on you.

 

6 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said:

They should serve you well on your next Dungeons & Dragons campaign.

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33 minutes ago, Cliff Varnell said:

There is no such thing. I believe the title is 11 Satanic Rules of Earth.

It’s by Anton LeVay. He mocked the hell out of the Catholic Church so some might project their belief in supernatural beings to satanists who only worship their own free will.

Now I guess you don’t.

You have children but you think the admonishment “don’t be annoying” is satanic?

The message for you is “don’t be literal.”

If you don’t get the joke the joke’s on you.

 

I just think there is a Reddit thread or 4 for whatever point you are trying to get across. I just said your analogy was poor.


#9 is about not harming children. not #8

Pretty much every species with a vertebrate “follows” that rule, but it’s good the D&D kids included it.

 

Back on ignore Nigel

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1 minute ago, Robert Wheeler said:

I just think there is a Reddit thread or 4 for whatever point you are trying to get across. I just said your analogy was poor.

Back on ignore Nigel

And I stood up for my analogy and now you’re bent out of shape.

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15 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said:

#9 is about not harming children. not #8

Pretty much every species with a vertebrate “follows” that rule,

Robert doesn’t remember the Satanic Panic?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McMartin_preschool_trial

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2 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:The first 4 rules + #8, could be consolidated into "Don't be annoying"

This is a terrific observation!

#1 — Don’t be annoying.  #2 — Don’t be annoying. #3 — Don’t be annoying. #4 — The consequences of annoyance can be severe. #5 — Don’t be annoying. #6 — Don’t be a criminal asshole. #7 — Don’t be an ingrate, if you’re Christian fill the plate. #8 — Don’t be annoying. #9 — Don’t be a criminal asshole. #10 — Don’t be a common asshole. #11 — Don’t be an asshole — the consequences can be severe.

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