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10 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

Richard - exactly - most of it is bogus, or deliberate mis and disinformation. But when you look closely, which all the crap is designed to obscure, you see that there is some real phenomena. “What it is ain’t exactly clear”

I would be disappointed if it were all "made up." I can imagine a scenario where the Air Force and NASA and those that would have access to real data are aware of some sort of phenomena but are as equally clueless to its meaning as the general public. If some advanced civilization is visiting us, their technology and motivations might be so advanced that it would be impossible for even our smartest brains to comprehend.

On the disinformation side, I can imagine an Intelligence/Foundation led effort to leverage the phenomena to manipulate the masses for social engineering purposes and distract from more mundane secrets, including illegal activities, like stealing military technology.

On the social engineering side, their is a decent amount of information out there that documents CIA interest in weaponizing anthropology. This would include using a cultures superstitions and traditions to effect a political outcome. A more primitive society might be influenced by leveraging spiritual beliefs. A modern society, more grounded in scientific explanations might be easier to manipulate. "Spirits" are not that believable anymore but "Aliens" might do the trick. 

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There is a provocative claim cited more than a few times in some of these expert or high position military and scientific community witnesses UFO/Alien presence and technology testimonial expose documentaries that always catches my interest.

Here is a general paraphrasing...

The average person has no clue. That whatever you think is our most advanced technologies, we are 50 years ahead of that curve already.

Star Trek type stuff. 

I personally believe these claims more so than not.

Yet, I also believe that if we have developed these super advanced technologies, their ownership has created separated governmental power and control agencies that do not adhere to or abide by our democratic/constitutional constraints or oversight.

This super advanced stuff we have discovered, developed and probably use for secret agendas...is just too much for the little people ( 99% of us ) to deal with and too important to risk uninformed public demands for it's sharing. 

And we can't let other governments have this technology either. 

My guess is these new super advanced and secret technology breakthroughs create separate governments. They have to to maintain control of them.

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On 6/4/2020 at 10:35 AM, James DiEugenio said:

Travis Walton:  note what the outside polygraph examiner said, clearest case of lying he saw in 20 years.

https://skeptoid.com/episodes/4094

Hmmm.   

Were Roger's other 5 crew members in on the scam?

They all described coming upon a fire orange glow in the woods while ascending down the mountain in Roger's truck on their way back from their tree and brush clearing workplace and at the same exact time.

When they came close enough to actually see the object emanating this light they all described it with the same description. They described Walton's actions of leaving the truck and getting closer to the object. They all described a "blue" bolt coming from the object and hitting Walton and knocking him backwards to the ground.

I think the resident UFO experience debunker of the day Phil Klass actually suggested that this object might have been built by Walton and his older brother to add theatrics to the scam.

Building something capable of discharging a Tesla energy beam would have been a remarkable achievement for a couple of high school education only amateur mechanics with very little money.

Walton made some money off of his experience story true. But why shouldn't he?

However, all the rest of the 6 other witnesses to the glowing 20 foot wide burnished metal contraption that shot out a blue electric charge bolt never made a dime off their totally similar eye witness accounts of this and they have never wavered or changed their stories despite monetary gain being offered to them to do so...for almost 50 years!

It's these real life working class others at that scene and their almost 50 year long unwavering recollection sharing of the incident that impresses me more than any other aspect of the story in believing the main parts of it imo.

Fact point - I believe one or two of the Walton experience eye witnesses have passed away.

The debunking article above is weak imo. It simply leans on the findings of one lie detector expert over another.

No finger prints on the phone Walton used to call home after he was dropped off by the alien saucer? Please.

Walton and his brother had an interest in the UFO subject? So did tens of millions of others at that time.

Heck the TV show "The Invaders" shown on national TV from 1967 through 1968 had millions of followers ( me included ) and this was 7 years before the Walton story.

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I have a theory that Trump is actually an alien life form from an outlying planet. The inhabitants of that planet out-lie all other inhabitants of the universe. Astronomers should name the planet Praevaricatio.

 

 

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7 hours ago, Ron Ecker said:

I have a theory that Trump is actually an alien life form from an outlying planet. The inhabitants of that planet out-lie all other inhabitants of the universe. Astronomers should name the planet Praevaricatio.

 

 

Ron, Trump has a crooked little finger.

Can someone contact David Vincent?

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3 hours ago, Joe Bauer said:

Ron, Trump has a crooked little finger.

Can someone contact David Vincent?

Is there any film of him morphing into a reptile? Perhaps it was just dinosaur pajamas.🤔

 

 

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13 minutes ago, Ken Davies said:

Is there any film of him morphing into a reptile? Perhaps it was just dinosaur pajamas.🤔

 

 

I've viewed interviews of Roy Thinnis ( David Vincent in the TV show The Invaders ) in his older days ( he's 82! ) where he talks about his career and especially his run as the star of the Alien Invasion show "The Invaders."

He is often asked his views on the alien/ET phenomena.

Does he believe our planet is being visited?

Can't quote his answers word for word, but I recall him stating he is more a believer of the premise versus not.

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Joe,

I read a book about glying saucers in March 1966 as we travelled from  Northern Ontario to Southern California for a vacation. The Michigan ufo flap started then, and the US government came up with the ridiculous swamp gas explanation. I spotted nothing unusual while staring through the windshield at the glorious night sky over Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, California, and midwestern states of the return trip.

I saw two ufos while travelling through Michigan many years later.  Streaking white saucer shapes with a vivid blue area in the middle. I also had a large orange ball chase my vehicle down a Northern Michigan interstate highway for 20 plus miles, at 100 mph once 48 years ago. Tense times at 2 a.m.

A friend watched a large triangle float silently over his vehicle on a local highway many years ago. A family member saw a white light brighter than the moon about 100 feet from her front window morph into a falling triangle, before it rose above the rooftops, hovered, and then "rocketed out of sight" two weeks ago in Ontario. 

None of this proves the existence of ufos, flying saucers, or whatever they are called these days.  I believe that there must be intelligent life somewhere in the universe, with its billions of stars. If and how this results in interplanetary travel is subject to debate. Multiverses, multi dimensions, may also be on the table. 

Read  the works of Plotinus, Plato, Charles Fort, John Keel, Jacques Vallee, and others for a better overview. The Roswell affair is a tar pit of ufology, as is the Amarna period in Egyptology, yet both are very interesting.

All the best to the forum members in these times of plague, fire, and killer insects. ( One of my children recently had 12,000 bees removed from her home).

Peace, eh,🙂😙

 

 

 

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A glying saucer is probably Canadian for flying saucer, eh?

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On 6/2/2020 at 7:50 AM, Pamela Brown said:

There is the related issue that Wernher von Braun wanted to reunite his physicists from the US and USSR to go, not only to the moon, but also to Mars.  This photo was taken at Cape Canaveral a few days before Dallas: 

Whats amazing is how old JFK looked between 59’ and 63’. Presidency ages you ...

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43 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:

Whats amazing is how old JFK looked between 59’ and 63’. Presidency ages you ...

When you think that JFK was the president who was going to take us to the moon, that even adds a new dimension to the job...

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28 minutes ago, Pamela Brown said:

When you think that JFK was the president who was going to take us to the moon, that even adds a new dimension to the job...

I looked at this super handsome guy in 59 and by 63 he is a pug. Its unfair as I am not a Dr and I can’t begin to assess the toll Addisons, colitis and whatever other issues he had did to his appearance. But, Bay of Pigs, Steel Crisis, Cuban Missle Crisis/Nuclear Armageddon and constant threat of assassination can’t make you look any younger. He chose to have the greatest weight on his shoulders, the burden, the pressure and for that he takes his place in history as a hero. He is certainly up there with Churchill, Hitler, Stalin, Mussolini and FDR in the 20th Century as one of the most notable and he is largely remembered for good.

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4 hours ago, Ken Davies said:

Joe,

 

I saw two ufos while travelling through Michigan many years later.  Streaking white saucer shapes with a vivid blue area in the middle. I also had a large orange ball chase my vehicle down a Northern Michigan interstate highway for 20 plus miles, at 100 mph once 48 years ago. Tense times at 2 a.m.

A friend watched a large triangle float silently over his vehicle on a local highway many years ago. A family member saw a white light brighter than the moon about 100 feet from her front window morph into a falling triangle, before it rose above the rooftops, hovered, and then "rocketed out of sight" two weeks ago in Ontario.

Peace, eh,🙂😙

 

 

 

I was alone on very cold but clear early evening in March maybe 5 years ago.

I was standing on a 50 foot high man made bluff above our small town's Lovers Point Beach.

From this bluff you could see across the entire Monterey Bay to Santa Cruz on the North side 30 to 40 miles away.  Monterey/Pacific Grove is on the Southern tip of Monterey Bay.

Half way around the circumference of the half circle shaped Bay in between Monterey and Santa Cruz is the dinky little harbor town of Moss Landing. There is a large electrical power plant there ( used to be run by P G & E years ago) and you can see their two huge steam stacks maybe 150 to 200 feet high above this day or night as they are lit up in the evening.

The ocean wind is cold this time of year. It comes down from Alaska and hits our California coast all the way to Big Sur. We call the coldest snaps of this air, Arctic Blasts.

I just wanted to get some freezing but fresh air in my lungs on an early evening drive around our multi-beach coastline. I parked at our developed beach parking lot and walked to the paved public area and to the 5 foot high granite stone wall above the beach itself. I leaned on my elbows on the wall.

Lots of lights all around the Bay at night. Very colorful and crisp when the ocean air is Winter cold.

I was there by myself around 7:30 to 8:00 pm as no one usually hangs out there that late in such cold night air.

Like you Ken, I noticed a single "orange light" way off over the Bay directly in line with those lighted steam towers in Moss Landing 20 miles away.

It caught my eye as no other lights on that far away side of the Bay were that bright and that orange.

I didn't have binoculars. My eyes were still pretty good though.

I would look around every few seconds at other views of the Bay lights as I didn't think much of the orange light in particular at first.

However, I noticed with each glance back at this orange light, it seemed to get larger and brighter! I thought to myself, this thing is coming toward me.

I thought it was my imagination until this light seemed to be no more than a mile away and seemed a definite "Chinese Lantern" shape.

Sure enough, the object kept coming toward me and flew right over my head at a height I estimated at 600 to 700 feet above. While it was over my head it retained it's oval ball shape and radiated the same red orange glow ( quite bright now. ) 

I estimated its speed at about 40 to 50 MPH. It made absolutely no sound. At the low flying level of 600+ feet you would have heard some sound, especially if it was a helicopter. It wasn't I can swear to that.

It looked about the size of a UPS truck?

I had to turn my head and upper body 180 degrees from North to South to keep it in my sight as it passed right over the top of me. It continued over our 600 foot Pine tree forested hill that separates us from the town of Carmel, just 6 miles directly South.

I lost sight of it after it continued on South beyond the hill.

I posted this unusual sighting on our local Craigslist the next day. I asked if anyone else may have seen it.

The only response I got was from someone stationed at our Naval Post Graduate School. No name given. He dismissed what I saw as a "paid advertising floating balloon."

I got back and responded with a laugh and my take on his explanation.

I said "who in their right mind would pay for such advertising when no one could see well enough in the dark of night to read any message on it, and especially on a middle of the week night so cold, most people just weren't out.

He never got back.

Sorry for getting off at least some JFK relevant message.

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Good one Joe. What was going on in your mind at the time? Any fear? Any sense of personal contact? 
 

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