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3 hours ago, David Andrews said:

I believe Detective Jim Leavelle made remarks to an interviewer (possibly Vince Palamara) that the Tippit murder galvanized the DPD to find the killer, to a degree greater than their response to the assassination.

Of course, whether the Tippit killing was provocation to frame Oswald will always be speculation.  The circumstances do point that way, and Oswald was charged with JFK's death hours after he was charged with Tippit's, on insubstantial evidence.

David - and Richard - there is at least one other explanation for the Tippett murder - he knew too much, possibly because he was a shooter, or because he was an eyewitness to whoever shot at JFK from the front, whether grassy knoll or somewhere else. Two things that McBride unearthed that cannot be denied - he was a crack shot, and a dim bulb.

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1 hour ago, Mark Stevens said:

I believe this validates Crenshaw...

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Wasn’t there speculation that it was William Harvey? 

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3 hours ago, Paul Brancato said:

David - and Richard - there is at least one other explanation for the Tippett murder - he knew too much, possibly because he was a shooter, or because he was an eyewitness to whoever shot at JFK from the front, whether grassy knoll or somewhere else. Two things that McBride unearthed that cannot be denied - he was a crack shot, and a dim bulb.

Well, yes, but...speculation.

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16 hours ago, David Andrews said:

I believe Detective Jim Leavelle made remarks to an interviewer (possibly Vince Palamara) that the Tippit murder galvanized the DPD to find the killer, to a degree greater than their response to the assassination.

Of course, whether the Tippit killing was provocation to frame Oswald will always be speculation. 

David,

You make a good point.  Don't get me wrong but, Detective Leavelle and DPD officers and the County sheriffs testimonies are filled with changed stories and questionable material, IMO.  Leavelle was not amongst the good guys.  That white suit and white stetson made him stand out next to Oswald and it was easily identified that the man cuffed to him was Oswald in black.  His visit to Mary Hollies in January, 1964 (if I'm remembering correctly) is strange.

The DPD kills one of it's own just for the purposes of the assassination?  It's hard to find evidence of that.  Besides, that kind of information in a police department can't and won't be kept secret, IMO.   Think of the results of that.  Who knows it may have been a common occurence at the DPD over the years?

 

 

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9 hours ago, David Andrews said:

You're right: McBride.

David,

Do you have a reference for Bill Harvey being at the death of Oswald in the hospital?  

If you do would you have any notion of why he was there?  Wasn't Harvey in Italy?  

If Bill Harvey was in the trauma room then that makes a very loose connection, a possible connection, to the Oswald Project at it's very beginning in the mid to late 1940s.

I have Elizabeth Bentley pegged as the lady who called in the Tippit phone call doc.  There is no evidence to support this under than intuition.  Bill Harvey was the principle FBI agent who interviewed her when she turned herself into the FBI.  She was the only person who may have had intelligence of this project at it's very inception.  

The Red Queen was the spy queen of the 1940s.  She was running the most important spy networks in regards to the government and particularly the OSS.  The OSS was riddled with communists spies and agents at its top levels.  That's why Truman shut it down immediately within 10 days.  This information about communist spies in the OSS comes from Elizabeth Bentley and Bill Harvey.   Can you imagine Trump shutting down the CIA as Truman did the OSS.  Could be even do that today? 

I believe the Oswald Project begins with Allen Dulles before the war is over and Harvey, the immigrant child was part of a group of children from Poland or the Belarus area of Russia, was placed into the hands of the Gardos or someone similar like Louis Weinstock for safe keeping and training.  He doesn't show up with Mysterious Marge until 1947.   That could leave as many as 4 years living in New York with someone.  

Dulles and others worked to save immigrants particularly Jewish who were being murdered wholesale by the Germans in Poland and Western Russia (Belarus) during 1941-1943. 

Here's a major what if for you.  What if immigrant Harvey was really from the Belarus area of Russia.  He would have been 4 or 5 when sent to Switzerland into the clutches of Allan Dulles.  Maybe, it why he was accepted by the Russians.  A child wanting to return to his home in Minsk, Belarus.  Plus, he had great stuff on the U2. 

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2 hours ago, John Butler said:

David,

Do you have a reference for Bill Harvey being at the death of Oswald in the hospital?  

If you do would you have any notion of why he was there?  Wasn't Harvey in Italy?  

If Bill Harvey was in the trauma room then that makes a very loose connection, a possible connection, to the Oswald Project at it's very beginning in the mid to late 1940s.

I have Elizabeth Bentley pegged as the lady who called in the Tippit phone call doc.  There is no evidence to support this under than intuition.  Bill Harvey was the principle FBI agent who interviewed her when she turned herself into the FBI.  She was the only person who may have had intelligence of this project at it's very inception.  

The Red Queen was the spy queen of the 1940s.  She was running the most important spy networks in regards to the government and particularly the OSS.  The OSS was riddled with communists spies and agents at its top levels.  That's why Truman shut it down immediately within 10 days.  This information about communist spies in the OSS comes from Elizabeth Bentley and Bill Harvey.   Can you imagine Trump shutting down the CIA as Truman did the OSS.  Could be even do that today? 

I believe the Oswald Project begins with Allen Dulles before the war is over and Harvey, the immigrant child was part of a group of children from Poland or the Belarus area of Russia, was placed into the hands of the Gardos or someone similar like Louis Weinstock for safe keeping and training.  He doesn't show up with Mysterious Marge until 1947.   That could leave as many as 4 years living in New York with someone.  

Dulles and others worked to save immigrants particularly Jewish who were being murdered wholesale by the Germans in Poland and Western Russia (Belarus) during 1941-1943. 

Here's a major what if for you.  What if immigrant Harvey was really from the Belarus area of Russia.  He would have been 4 or 5 when sent to Switzerland into the clutches of Allan Dulles.  Maybe, it why he was accepted by the Russians.  A child wanting to return to his home in Minsk, Belarus.  Plus, he had great stuff on the U2. 

Face-palm aside, I believe they are referring to Leavell's comments regarding the shooting of Tippit and not the agent at Oswald's side. 

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2 hours ago, John Butler said:

Here's a major what if for you.  What if immigrant Harvey was really from the Belarus area of Russia.

John,

I was intrigued by the idea of a "Baltic" Oswald.

I collected a few notes along those lines:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm

WC testimony February 3, 1964

Mr. RANKIN. Did you know that Lee Oswald was an American when you first met him?
Mrs. OSWALD. I found that out at the end of that party, towards the end of that party, when I was first introduced to him, I didn't know that.

 

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/hscamar1.htm

HSCA testimony 1977?

Mrs. PORTER. No, I didn't. When he asked to dance, we just talked very little.
Mr. McDONALD. Did he tell you he was an American?
Mrs. PORTER. No, not at that--not during the dancing, no.
Mr. McDONALD. At this time you were speaking in Russian together?
Mrs. PORTER. Yes. He spoke with accent so I assumed he was maybe from another state, which is customary in Russia. People from other states do speak with accents because they do not speak Russian. They speak different languages.
Mr. McDONALD. So when you say another state, you mean another Russian state?
Mrs. PORTER. Yes, like Estonia, Lithuania, something like that.
Mr. McDONALD. Did you suspect at all that he was an American?
Mrs. PORTER. No, not at all.

 

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/demohr_g.htm

Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. That is right, it is spelled this way. That is a Swedish way of spelling. And the letter "o" with two dots over it is a typical Swedish letter which cannot be translated or written down in any language. So in probably moving to Russia, or to the Baltic States, you see, which was an intermediary area between Russia and Sweden, they probably changed it to S-c-h-i- l-d-t. And it can also be written in Russian, at the same time.

Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes--because I am more or less of a French orientation. And when I became an American citizen, I did not like the prefix "Von" which is German to the average person. And so we used "De" which is equally used in Sweden or in the Baltic States, interchangeably.

 

Mr. JENNER. Sometimes people refer to you as Baron De Mohrenschildt.
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Yes.
Mr. JENNER. Would you explain that?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. I don't refer to myself as that, you know. But supposedly the family has the right to it, because we are members of the Baltic nobility.
Mr. JENNER. Through what source?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Through the Swedish source, from the time of Queen Christina

 

Mr. JENNER. What was your impression of his command of Russian?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Well, he spoke fluent Russian, but with a foreign accent, and made mistakes, grammatical mistakes, but had remarkable fluency in Russian.
Mr. JENNER. It was remarkable?
Mr. De MOHRENSCHILDT. Remarkable--for a fellow of his background and education, it is remarkable how fast he learned it. But he loved the language. He loved to speak it. He preferred to speak Russian than English any time. He always would switch from English to Russian.

 

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/bouhe.htm

Mr. BOUHE - I never discussed a membership in any organization or hunting club. But I now remember that when I asked him after the week's work is done, what do you do--"Well, the boys and I go and hunt duck."
And he said, "ducklings". The reason why I remember it is because he didn't say "duck," but he said in Russian the equivalent of "duckys-duckys".
Mr. LIEBELER - He used the Russian word that was not the precise word to describe duck?
Mr. BOUHE - Yes; but a man going shooting would not use it. He spoke in Russian and did not try to get the Russian word exactly.

 

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you speak to Oswald in the Russian language from time to time?
Mr. BOUHE - Yes; I did.
Mr. LIEBELER - Did you form an impression as to his command of that language?
Mr. BOUHE - Yes.
Mr. LIEBELER - What was that impression?
Mr. BOUHE - A very strange assortment of words. Grammatically not perfect, but an apparent ease to express himself in that language.

 

Mr. LIEBELER - Did Oswald's command of the Russian language seem to be about what you would expect from him, having been in Russia for that period of time? Would you say it was good?
Mr. BOUHE - I would say very good.
Mr. LIEBELER - You think he had a good command of the language, considering the amount of time he had spent in Russia?
Mr. BOUHE - Sir, for everyday conversations, yes. But I think that if I would have asked him to write, I would think he would have difficulty.

 

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/raigorod.htm

Mr. RAIGORODSKY. Well, from what I understand, George De Mohrenschildt comes from what we call by-the-Baltic Germans.
Mr. JENNER. What is--by-the-Baltic Germans?
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. The by-the-Baltic Germans are Germans that lived by the Baltic Sea and they were Russians or rather, Russiafied Germans and they were in the service of the Czar for generations and generations and were considered Russians. Most of them were barons, you know, and I don't know whether George's family were or not, but the "de" Mohrenschildt signifies that his family had a title.
Mr. JENNER. That's the "de"?
Mr. RAIGORODSKY. The "de"---yes; it signifies that.

 

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/gregoryp.htm

Peter Paul Gregory, a native of Chita, Siberia, told the Warren Commission that “I thought that Lee Oswald spoke [Russian] with a Polish accent, that is why I asked him if he was of Polish descent….It would be rather unusual…for a person who lived in the Soviet Union for 17 months that he would speak so well that a native Russian would not be sure whether he was born in that country or not.”

 

Posted in the Education Forum by Jack White April 2, 2010

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/15686-did-harvey-return-from-russia/page/3/

“I am still doing comparisons of the Russian LHO with the Dallas LHO. Some depict the same person, some do not. The point is...we do not really know what the variety of LHOs in Russia represents...a substitute or doctored photos, or both. But the photos show something suspicious was going on. This leaves us to wonder...did the fake defector Harvey return to the US, or was a Russian impostor substituted for the US impostor?

Jack”

 

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3 hours ago, John Butler said:

David,

Do you have a reference for Bill Harvey being at the death of Oswald in the hospital?  

If you do would you have any notion of why he was there?  Wasn't Harvey in Italy?  

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If you look up Harvey, or perhaps "William King Harvey," in the back threads, there's been a lot of discussion of whether he was at the Oswald operating room, and whether he was spotted en route to the US by a reliable acquaintance.

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17 hours ago, David Andrews said:

Well, yes, but...speculation.

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Pretty much anything relating to a motive in the Tippit murder is going to be speculation and that is both implied and understood when discussing the matter.

We're talking about a hypothetical motive for presumed unnamed conspirators. The only way in which discussion of that is not speculation is if your source is one of the conspirators, which is also implied and understood to be unlikely.

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On 9/17/2020 at 1:11 PM, David Andrews said:

I believe Detective Jim Leavelle made remarks to an interviewer (possibly Vince Palamara) that the Tippit murder galvanized the DPD to find the killer, to a degree greater than their response to the assassination.

 

Of course it did -- you murder a cop and you will absolutely turn every police officer against you. 

There are quotes from Dallas cops which reveal they didn't care about JFK being murdered, that it was "no different than a Dallas n-word murder"

 

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22 hours ago, Robert Charles-Dunne said:

Richard:

I just wanted to say that your posts are interesting.

But, the contribution of the various clippings is significant, and may tell us much about important primary details.

As time and inclination allow, please continue sharing clippings.  They are valuable and appreciated.

Thanks Robert. These clippings were kind of the first things I found when I looked at news clipping aggregators. You always find interesting things in the paper which I have found are either one of two things: nuggets that need further investigation, or, bogus information. 

In my primary area of research I have found things in the paper which led me to dig deeper and come up with things that are substantial. I've also found things that after serious research I was able to prove were unsubstantiated. 

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Richard - about a year ago I subscribed to something, maybe newspapers.com - can’t recall if that was it - in order to see what I could find in print about Otto Skorzeny. That was quite interesting. Then I tried Jack Crichton and came up with only a little. I was trying to dig up what I could on his 488th Military Intelligence Detachment, which sometimes goes by slightly different names. I found that I didn’t know how to use search words. I was sure there would be more than there was. Have you figured out the search engine particulars? Is that where you are looking?
 

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