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    I would be interested in the forum's opinions about Donald Trump's decision to block the full release of the JFKA records in October of 2017 and April of 2018.

    Why did Trump do it, and was it a betrayal of the JFKA Truth movement?

    At the time, Oliver Stone -- whose film, JFK, led directly to the unanimous passage of the 1992 JFK Records Act by Congress -- said that, "Trump got rolled by the Deep State."

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4 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

    I would be interested in the forum's opinions about Donald Trump's decision to block the full release of the JFKA records in October of 2017 and April of 2018.

    Why did Trump do it, and was it a betrayal of the JFKA Truth movement?

    At the time, Oliver Stone -- whose film, JFK, led directly to the unanimous passage of the 1992 JFK Records Act by Congress -- said that, "Trump got rolled by the Deep State."

A genuinely serious question.

What is the JFKA Truth Movement looking for?

Are they looking for the person or persons that pulled the trigger?

Or,

Are they looking for the person or persons that allowed, planned, financed and otherwise managed the whole event and coverup?

I'm sure both are important, but is one (the trigger puller), more important than the other (the planners), to the truther group?

 

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43 minutes ago, Robert Wheeler said:

A genuinely serious question.

What is the JFKA Truth Movement looking for?

Are they looking for the person or persons that pulled the trigger?

Or,

Are they looking for the person or persons that allowed, planned, financed and otherwise managed the whole event and coverup?

I'm sure both are important, but is one (the trigger puller), more important than the other (the planners), to the truther group?

 

Perhaps we should re-phrase the question.

1)  What are the JFKA research experts hoping to find in the classified documents that Trump has refused to de-classify?

2)  Any thoughts about whether the remaining classified JFKA documents will be released in October of 2021, or thereafter?

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31 minutes ago, W. Niederhut said:

Perhaps we should re-phrase the question.

1)  What are the JFKA research experts hoping to find in the classified documents that Trump has refused to de-classify?

2)  Any thoughts about whether the remaining classified JFKA documents will be released in October of 2021, or thereafter?

Your rephrasing is loaded.

I’ll reload.

If it turns out Bob Muellers uncle was involved in the “motive and means” part of the Assassination, will you admit that the effort to get rid of Trump was an extension of the coverup to conceal JFKs killers?

How about Richard Bissell, Bobs first cousin one removed?

How about LP Gise, Bezos Grandfather and coinvestor in a bunch of Texas Uranium mines with Lady Bird?

How about Godfrey Rockefeller, Bell Helicopters Chief Pilot and club member/neighbor with Bob Mueller the 2nd?

Asking for a friend.

 

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6 hours ago, W. Niederhut said:

    I would be interested in the forum's opinions about Donald Trump's decision to block the full release of the JFKA records in October of 2017 and April of 2018.

    Why did Trump do it, and was it a betrayal of the JFKA Truth movement?

    At the time, Oliver Stone -- whose film, JFK, led directly to the unanimous passage of the 1992 JFK Records Act by Congress -- said that, "Trump got rolled by the Deep State."

JMO.  Yes it was a betrayal in multiple respects to us all.  I have to wonder if someone from the power elite of today, with more money and power than him might have told him releasing the records could be bad for His presidency, maybe even his health.  If he thought releasing them would help his ratings that's about the only thing I think would stop him.

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How is it a betrayal? In order to “betray” a cause one must be committed to it in the first place.

Donald Trump has only been committed to one cause in his entire life, and it sure as hell ain’t the JFKA.

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Trump actually did this three times.

On the last day that the original act allowed for anything not declassified by the ARRB to be released, he changed his tune and said everything will not be released.

He then set up a review process that was to last six months.

Well, when that six months was over, he then extended that to 2021.

But what no one writes about except at K and K, is this: he did not just break the spirit of the law, but the letter of the law.

https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/jfk-records-release-why-the-redactions

According to Jeff Morley, there are over 15,000 files that are still redacted in whole or in part.

 

FInally, he pulled that stunt with Ted Cruz which was nothing but a dviersion.  After Roger Stone consulted with Judy Baker--there is a match for you--Roger passed on the BS about Cruz and Oswald.  When it did not catch on, as Cohen writes, Trump pushed it directly himself on Fox and Friends and through his buddy at the NE.  Then it did catch on even though its BS.

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I think at its core, this is a great question.  Why not release the rest of those files that still exist?  What possible reason(s) could exist to withhold them at this late date?  

Of course, it would be difficult to verify that anything released now was the original document in its original form.  Very few people are still alive who would be able to confirm or deny anything there.

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We are actually dreaming aren't we? If we think some release of documents tells us who pulled the trigger or was the mastermind of it. The glimmer of hope is that the government aren't thorough enough with redactions or destroying relevant detail that could give further things away. What's with redactions? Everyone is dead, that says it all, it's just the continuing attempt to pervert history. 

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If George H.W. Bush name appears in those files, than that is a lot of leverage Trump has on George W. Bush.

Why would Trump need leverage over George W. Bush?

Among some of the reasons, that we have gone over ad nauseum,

  • to keep his family and himself safe (ie. a dead man's switch.)
  • information about criminal networks; stopping trafficking seems to be the priority;
    • Epstein/Maxwell
    • NXVIM
    • Back Pages and MS 13 networks that used.

For whatever reason, and I would think this board would see some common themes better than they have, but George H.W. Bush seems to show up on the periphery of human trafficking rings pretty often. (the Franklin Scandal for one; also Martinsville, the DC Madam/William Casey stories, etc., the Finders Cult.)

I know President Trump is not supposed to get any credit for anything, but if you believe parts of the CIA;

  • Ran cocaine in the 1980s (and likely earlier), then they were probably;
  • running heroin out of Afghanistan in the 00's (if not currently);

and, if parts of the CIA is willing to ship massive amounts of heroin from Indochina in the 60s/70s, cocaine in the 80s/90s from South America and heroin again from Central Asia in the 00s/10s, then there are probably not a lot of moral qualms from that crowd about running a human trafficking "franchise". 

At this point, there is hardly anything conspiratorial about the idea that parts of the CIA ("CIA" in this case a catch-all term for bad actors in the military, the gov't and NGOs) have been involved in human trafficking. The subject is very touchy, and it can get lumped with "pizza-gate", "Podesta email", speculation.

The Pizzagate and Podesta emails notwithstanding, Epstein/Maxwell, NXVIM, European Adoption Center in Ohio, multiple recent "ring" round-ups, point pretty clearly to Intelligence agency involvement over multiple decades.

The Bush family seems to have a lot of information about running drugs and people (and weapons, for another time) so the idea that Trump would use the JFK files for his own family's safety and to attack the Deep State at its main sources of illicit funding (drugs, humans, weapons) is hardly a novel idea (except amongst this crowd.)

Very simply, 

Trump: "Give me the child trafficking rings and I won't release the picture of your Dad posing with Ruby, Zaprueder, deMorenshieldt at a party the night before the assassination."

W. Bush: "O.K., don't show the picture to Jeb or Laura until after the funeral."

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https://youtu.be/Nk51wKwgioM

 

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Looks like this thread has become 4WD, White Wing Wacko Wheeler's  "Q anon"  annual contribution to the JFKA forum. And his now group validated fantasy conversations between the most pivotal political figures of his life, the Bushes and Trump. And of course starting with his completely irrelevant obsession with Mueller and his compromised investigation.

Like everyone here I held out a smidgeon of  hope for maybe some leads. Trump's campaign promises made absolutely no difference in that prospect for me.

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I think Trump’s knowledge of deep secrets regarding the event is zero, and the whole subject came to his attention the fortnight of the original scheduled releases. He agreed to everything being released as it seemed like a popular response, then on the day, when greeted with various ‘We can’t release these, Mr President!’ messages and excuses and explanations, he responded with annoyance and a shrug, and agreed to the new plans simply as that was what so many advisors were urging.

If the endless date-extensions and excuses for not releasing things became a big public issue, he might have stronger conversations and make more demands about it, but at this point I doubt he’s thought about the subject for a very long while.

And if Harris and Biden win the election, you won’t be seeing many, if any new JFK releases for some time. Not to mention all the other subjects they’ll happily cover up.

 

 

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2 hours ago, Anthony Thorne said:

I think Trump’s knowledge of deep secrets regarding the event is zero, and the whole subject came to his attention the fortnight of the original scheduled releases. He agreed to everything being released as it seemed like a popular response, then on the day, when greeted with various ‘We can’t release these, Mr President!’ messages and excuses and explanations, he responded with annoyance and a shrug, and agreed to the new plans simply as that was what so many advisors were urging.

If the endless date-extensions and excuses for not releasing things became a big public issue, he might have stronger conversations and make more demands about it, but at this point I doubt he’s thought about the subject for a very long while.

And if Harris and Biden win the election, you won’t be seeing many, if any new JFK releases for some time. Not to mention all the other subjects they’ll happily cover up.

 

 

Anthony,

    Your take on this may well be correct.  At the very least, it gives the lie to the false narrative that Trump is an "outsider" who would take on the Deep State, etc.

     I was somewhat hopeful in early 2016 that Trump might actually be a 9/11 Truther, and I still believe that he knows a lot more about his Manhattan colleague  Larry Silverstein, the Port Authority, and what happened to the WTC on 9/11 than he has let on since early 2016.  He has been dead silent.

     As for the JFK assassination, the country has waited for almost 57 years now-- and for over 27 years since the passage of the JFK Records Act -- to finally learn the truth about the conspiracy to murder of JFK.

     Trump sabotaged the Congressionally-mandated release of the JFKA records in 2017 and 2018.  That's a big deal.  Yet, he has received almost no significant criticism for that crucial decision in our mainstream media, or even on this JFK forum.  I think that's the main reason I started this thread.

    I don't know how or why Trump "got rolled by the Deep State" on this one, but it happened, and it should be acknowledged and discussed.

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Who was it that mentioned just the other day that John Freeman Mueller was likely involved in the illicit transfer of Enriched Uranium from the Navy’s nuclear fuel facility to the NUMEC plant in Apollo PA?

JFK researchers should be familiar with the Apollo Affair. Remember, The Highly Enriched Uranium from the NUMEC plant in Apollo went to Dimona, Israel. As I recall, JFK was not happy with Israel’s efforts to build its bomb.

In any event Niederhut, if Trump just opens a bunch of files, we could go another 5 decades before anyone in the JFK Research Community figures out what the files mean. 
 

Providing context and developing the narrative is more important than just hoping some guys with an interest in the Assassination but limited comprehension skills, will announce they found the motive, means, and murderers of JFK.

In any event, I mentioned Bob Mueller’ uncle the other day.

Here is something brand new to help the crowd here get started on some context. 
 

 

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