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I have started a new thread in POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES regarding

faked moon mission photos. It will be devoted to Apollo 12, since I have

about completed Apollo 11. The other "missions" will follow later.

Please visit the POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES section and view the

evidence, and please post your opinions. I want to know how many among

you are studying the evidence.

Thanks.

Jack :up

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I have perused the web and our ED.FORUM/JFK site has the best visual aids

to help judge the Lunar Photographs authenticity debate,

thanks to our member, Jack White.

The only better source is the exhaustive NASA site itself:

http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

Please go through the 16mm and Hasselblad stills with a critical mind.

REVIEW THE APOLLO STILLS, these are worth looking at!

[Jack Didn't Apollo Twelve Have a Different Art Director Than Apollo Eleven ?]

I have started a new thread in POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES regarding

faked moon mission photos. It will be devoted to Apollo 12, since I have

about completed Apollo 11. The other "missions" will follow later.

Please visit the POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES section and view the

evidence, and please post your opinions. I want to know how many among

you are studying the evidence.

Thanks.

Jack :up

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I have perused the web and our ED.FORUM/JFK site has the best visual aids

to help judge the Lunar Photographs authenticity debate,

thanks to our member, Jack White.

The only better source is the exhaustive NASA site itself:

http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

Please go through the 16mm and Hasselblad stills with a critical mind.

REVIEW THE APOLLO STILLS, these are worth looking at!

[Jack Didn't Apollo Twelve Have a Different Art Director Than Apollo Eleven ?]

I have started a new thread in POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES regarding

faked moon mission photos. It will be devoted to Apollo 12, since I have

about completed Apollo 11. The other "missions" will follow later.

Please visit the POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES section and view the

evidence, and please post your opinions. I want to know how many among

you are studying the evidence.

Thanks.

Jack ;)

Shanet... I do not understand your "art director" question. Please clarify.

I hope everyone will visit POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES and view the Apollo 12

evidence which I spent many hours collecting and postings. I would

appreciate comments on the images from all.

Jack :)

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I have perused the web and our ED.FORUM/JFK site has the best visual aids

to help judge the Lunar Photographs authenticity debate,

thanks to our member, Jack White.

The only better source is the exhaustive NASA site itself:

http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

Please go through the 16mm and Hasselblad stills with a critical mind.

REVIEW THE APOLLO STILLS, these are worth looking at!

[Jack Didn't Apollo Twelve Have a Different Art Director Than Apollo Eleven ?]

I have started a new thread in POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES regarding

faked moon mission photos. It will be devoted to Apollo 12, since I have

about completed Apollo 11. The other "missions" will follow later.

Please visit the POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES section and view the

evidence, and please post your opinions. I want to know how many among

you are studying the evidence.

Thanks.

Jack ;)

Shanet... I do not understand your "art director" question. Please clarify.

I hope everyone will visit POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES and view the Apollo 12

evidence which I spent many hours collecting and postings. I would

appreciate comments on the images from all.

Jack :)

Here's an obvious question! What does any of this have to do with the Kennedy Assassination? Got any photos of bigfoot to start a thread on to discredit credibility of assassination research more than it already has been? Or Maybe Alien Abduction?

Al

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al,

i think that jack was drawing out attention to the fact that there is a possible conspiracy at foot in the moon landing also and he was just making people aware that he has started a post on the political conspiracies page. he posted here as this is where most people frequent.

john

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I have perused the web and our ED.FORUM/JFK site has the best visual aids

to help judge the Lunar Photographs authenticity debate,

thanks to our member, Jack White.

The only better source is the exhaustive NASA site itself:

http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

Please go through the 16mm and Hasselblad stills with a critical mind.

REVIEW THE APOLLO STILLS, these are worth looking at!

[Jack Didn't Apollo Twelve Have a Different Art Director Than Apollo Eleven ?]

I have started a new thread in POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES regarding

faked moon mission photos. It will be devoted to Apollo 12, since I have

about completed Apollo 11. The other "missions" will follow later.

Please visit the POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES section and view the

evidence, and please post your opinions. I want to know how many among

you are studying the evidence.

Thanks.

Jack ;)

Shanet... I do not understand your "art director" question. Please clarify.

I hope everyone will visit POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES and view the Apollo 12

evidence which I spent many hours collecting and postings. I would

appreciate comments on the images from all.

Jack :)

Here's an obvious question! What does any of this have to do with the Kennedy Assassination? Got any photos of bigfoot to start a thread on to discredit credibility of assassination research more than it already has been? Or Maybe Alien Abduction?

Al

Al...here are the ties:

JFK in his inaugural speech promised to PUT A MAN ON THE MOON BEFORE

THE END OF THE DECADE. Surely you are aware of that, aren't you?

LBJ, JFK's murderer, promised to carry out JFK's promise. Never mind that it

meant BILLIONS OF DOLLARS for his Texas base in Houston. Never mind that

scientists knew it could not be done. Lyndon ordered them to FAKE IT to gain

"space superiority" over the Russians.

"I'm not a crook" Nixon, another of the assassination plotters, continued the

fraud.

How can you say this is a phony issue WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE EVIDENCE?

How can you say there is no tie to the assassination when the hoax was perpetrated

by the same evildoers "in the name of JFK"?

Are you afraid to confront the truth?

Jack :o

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Jack - Let me start by saying I have no interest one way or the other if we went to the moon. I will address this only in a photographical sense and how it pertains to perspective.

In post 18 - the reason the crosshairs on the camera is not at the same place on the horizon in both photos is because the camera is not pointed in the exact same direction in each photo. By this I mean it doesn't have the same objects in the center of its view-finder. If we pretend the limo is standing still on Elm Street ... it would be like Moorman pointing her camera over the limo's trunk for one photo and then more towards Zapruder in a second photo. She would still capture JFK in her picture, but slight differences in the way things line up would be noticeable in an overlay.

I personally suspect that the images were cropped for sizing display. Also, my overlay showed me that the camera obviously had moved slightly between pictures.

In post 19 you mention the rocks not aligning correctly. I took the two images and rolled one photo over to match the tripod in the other. The shadows all aligned the same when this was done. The rock alignment isn't the same because not only did the photographer shift sideways, but also moved closer to the rocks and is looking downward at them. This changes how they align in his field of view. These observations can be duplicated quite easily here on earth.

The forum says there is 64 MB left, but I cannot get the thread to accept a 243kb gif or I would display it. Maybe it will work later for I will keep trying. Here is the message I am getting at this time:

The requested file upload failed. This is either because it was not in the correct format, or the file size was larger than that allowed. Please check the file you wish to upload and try again.

Bill

Edited by Bill Miller

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Jack - Let me start by saying I have no interest one way or the other if we went to the moon. I will address this only in a photographical sense and how it pertains to perspective.

.............................

In post 19 you mention the rocks not aligning correctly. I took the two images and rolled one photo over to match the tripod in the other. The shadows all aligned the same when this was done. The rock alignment isn't the same because not only did the photographer shift sideways, but also moved closer to the rocks and is looking downward at them. This changes how they align in his field of view. These observations can be duplicated quite easily here on earth.

..............................

Bill

Thanks for the comments. The above comment above caused me to restudy

the photos, and I think I can now prove the scene is lighted FROM TWO DIFFERENT

DIRECTIONS for each of the photos. It is very obvious, and I would not have seen it if

I had not reexamined the pictures. However, I cannot post my new image, since apparently

the board's total limit for images has now been exceeded. With a limited amount of

space available to the forum, it has become difficult to post photographic research.

I have tried a half dozen times in the last 6 hours to post images, but get an error

message each time. Too bad.

Jack :o

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I have perused the web and our ED.FORUM/JFK site has the best visual aids

to help judge the Lunar Photographs authenticity debate,

thanks to our member, Jack White.

The only better source is the exhaustive NASA site itself:

http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_gallery.html

Please go through the 16mm and Hasselblad stills with a critical mind.

REVIEW THE APOLLO STILLS, these are worth looking at!

[Jack Didn't Apollo Twelve Have a Different Art Director Than Apollo Eleven ?]

I have started a new thread in POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES regarding

faked moon mission photos. It will be devoted to Apollo 12, since I have

about completed Apollo 11. The other "missions" will follow later.

Please visit the POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES section and view the

evidence, and please post your opinions. I want to know how many among

you are studying the evidence.

Thanks.

Jack ;)

Shanet... I do not understand your "art director" question. Please clarify.

I hope everyone will visit POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES and view the Apollo 12

evidence which I spent many hours collecting and postings. I would

appreciate comments on the images from all.

Jack :)

Here's an obvious question! What does any of this have to do with the Kennedy Assassination? Got any photos of bigfoot to start a thread on to discredit credibility of assassination research more than it already has been? Or Maybe Alien Abduction?

Al

Al...here are the ties:

JFK in his inaugural speech promised to PUT A MAN ON THE MOON BEFORE

THE END OF THE DECADE. Surely you are aware of that, aren't you?

LBJ, JFK's murderer, promised to carry out JFK's promise. Never mind that it

meant BILLIONS OF DOLLARS for his Texas base in Houston. Never mind that

scientists knew it could not be done. Lyndon ordered them to FAKE IT to gain

"space superiority" over the Russians.

"I'm not a crook" Nixon, another of the assassination plotters, continued the

fraud.

How can you say this is a phony issue WITHOUT LOOKING AT THE EVIDENCE?

How can you say there is no tie to the assassination when the hoax was perpetrated

by the same evildoers "in the name of JFK"?

Are you afraid to confront the truth?

Jack :o

Jack,

I am not affraid to confront truths as truths are realities and I and most others live and breath in the real world where reality is much more frightening than fiction. I do not watch soap operas as real life is often depressing enough without having to watch the fiction of them.

In reading some of your connections with some select others, I can see why the truth has not been revealed. 90% of the government was involved and they had no trouble keeping it from the remaining 10%, let alone the General Public.

While we have to be suspicious of official actions within the government, all is not a conspiracy that links to every other possible conspiracy. It is a small world and if one studies irrelevant issues long enough, they can conjure up connections and make a rather interesting soap opera. The key is to use critical thinking and realize what is possible in the real world.

Al

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There are two things at play with some individuals when it comes to conspiracy ...

One is they look not for conspiracy, but rather ways to make things look conspiritorial.

The other is because some people think that if they cannot see why something looks like it does, then it also must be be part of the conspiracy.

Below are the clips I wanted to post earlier. The last two deal with post 18 that Jack made. There the camera had the latter in the middle of the photo and in the next shot the cmarea was pointed off to the right slightly.

The first clip deals with post 19 that Jack made. The shadows all point in the same direction. The photographer moved off to the side between photos and was later looking down atop of the rocks and this is why they didn't align the same way as before.

To free up space to post these clips - I had to delete the attachments I have made in the past in other threads. Without those attachments those past threads don't serve much of a purpose IMO. The classic gunman thread was one such place where I deleted my attachments. I notice many replies had repeated embedded attachments and all this does is eat up double the photo space. Others might keep this in mind in the future and also go back and start deleting their past attachments as well.

Bill

Edited by Bill Miller

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Jack

I think Al is probably right, we should leave the NASA 1969 material

to the thread itself and not mix directly with the JFK debate.

Clarification: If Apollo Eleven had a theme or "narrative"

as related by the finished surface landing stills,

then the theme, look and "narrative" of Apollo Twelve

was much different, the Apollo Twelve material looks more

retouched, more Kubrick-like, with more coronas and prismatic

overlays.

The Apollo Moon was a Great Bowl where Stars never shined.

Two real obvious things:

Look around the US Flag, no footprints where an astronaut must have straddled and forced the Flagpole in. If you look around the base of the flag their are

few footprints, no scuffs, no heavy twin boot marks of the astronaut who placed the Flag...also, with no H20 content, how would the Flag be planted in the soil?

Observation Two: small brass ring a few inches above the moon's surface

A brass screw bases is visible in the improbable Flag.

Are these pictures of nearly weightless individuals?

Are these all photos taken from the Chest through Space mittens?

The Cold War Military Intelligence Imperative exerted a strong force whenever

photographic evidence, space photos, rocketry potentials were made public.

Jack White is correct to search for anomalies in this Cold War

Aeronautic government propaganda films....

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Jack White is correct to search for anomalies in this Cold War

Aeronautic government propaganda films....

If one goes around saying that everything he or she sees and doesn't understand for whatever reason is an anomily, then we all could be doing it. Because one doesn't have the education or skills to know how something was done does not give them the right to claim that a cover-up is afoot or refer to it as propaganda.

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I had been hoping that some forum members might show an

interest in the faked Apollo moon photos. So far, other than

a little opposition, only Shanet has shown a real interest by

making real comments.

I will post this image here to again see whether there is interest,

because apparently very few of you visit POLITICAL CONSPIRACIES.

This image shows what I consider a statistical impossibility. All 6

lunar landers have the same EXACT ORIENTATION TO THE SUN,

and have almost identical shadows. Are there any mathematicians

here who can calculate the odds of that?

Please visit the Apollo fake pictures and make comments or

I will consider it not worthwhile to continue.

Jack

Edited by Jack White

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I think the lack of interest in your Apollo anomilies derives from people thinking that you are simply making mistakes within your interpretations. You posted asking what the odds were that the LEM would land facing a certaing direction and I find one possible answer to be that it landed in the manner that NASA planned it to. Your post offered no data stating that you atemempted to find out if there was a just cause for the LEM to be facing the way it was. NASA usually has a purpose for everything they do. Us not knowing what that purpose is doesn't constitute a conspiracy IMO. Your example should have read "Coincidence or Impossibility or Planned Positioning." I notice that a lot of your examples are always designed to look like there is a conspiracy afoot and seldom, if at all, leaves one with a common sense alternative.

Edited by Bill Miller

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