The Men Who Killed Kennedy TV

[Shanet Clark]

About fifteen months ago I was in New York and saw on cable TV

a very legitimate and compelling TV show,

I believe it was called "the Men Who Killed Kennedy"

I have also heard that this show was pulled off the air

and was subject to some sort of quiet corporate censorship.

Apparently some people have come forward with evidence that

a Dallas local mortician flew with JFK's body and casket from Dallas to D.C.

This mortician was connected to Jack Ruby's Carousel circle. (photos were shown)

He may have inflenced the tissue, bone and bullet fragments

compostion of the President's head, if this is true.

It seemed to be a very high production quality television show,

similar to Bill Kurtis's Investigative Reports.

Does anyone have any information on the CAROUSEL CLUB photos

or affadavit concerning the wife of the Dallas mortician in question?

What was his name, and is this a valid angle of enquiry?

The suppressed film also had quite a bit of compelling material concerning

a party or solidarity gathering the night before the murder, with Clint

Murchison and Lyndon Johnson (among others) in attendance.

Anybody have the tapes or at least the names that were featured ?

[James Richards]

Shanet,

Is the mortician's name you are after John Ligget (see below)?

James

[Bernice Moore]

Shanet,

Is the mortician's name you are after John Ligget (see below)?

James

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Hello Again James

Mortician John Liggett :

When the HSCA met for their final reading to the world...the statement was issued, along with the rest of the report that the medical Doctors....all agreed, 16 from Parkland and 10 associated with Bethesda , 26 in all, that they had stated they did not see a hole, a blow out wound ,in the rear of President Kennedy's head.....needless to say, all witnesses were also wrong, which included Secret Service, F.B.I., Nurses, Attendants, Staff, and eye witness in Dealey Plaza....including his wife Jacqueline..

..The HSCA lied..

Dr.Mantik has been to NARA and viewed the autopsy photos 9 times..he has related the information ,in his opinion..there is a soft matt insertion in these photographs that cover that aspect of the back head wound.... so many others state there was no wound to the side of the Presidents head....nor was there a wound to the top of the head..

Though there may have been damage to the top of the skull that later during the actual autopsy, caused the top area, simply to fall away in several pieces.....at the time of Parkland, and the arrival of the body at Bethesda there was no open, blasted out wound to that area...if it was shattered, at that time,the scalp tissue and hair, contained it all.....

John Liggett, worked for the Restland Mortuary in Dallas..

The day of the assassination, he and his wife Lois,at that time, whom had been married just three months before, after her first husband Charles Godwin and father of her 4 children ,had been killed in a private plane crash.....were attending a funeral service for her Aunt at Restland...John came to her with the news that the President had been shot....and he left for Parkland Hospital.

At 2pm he called her from the hospital with the message that John F.Kennedy had died....she asked if Restland had gotten the job....he replied no, but that he had a lot of work to do and he would be gone for some time and would call her ..

He returned home, 24 hours later ..He was very tired and exhausted but hyper....Lois says he appeared to have had a traumatic experience in her opinion.He told the family that they must get out of town for awhile till this all blows over, explaining nothing more,they proceededito pack the car, and leave Dallas..

They drove to Austin, and San Antonio, and along the way they stopped at various relatives and friends..he met with his brother Malcolm..Lois felt that she was not privilege to hear what was being said in conversations, that it was all somehow, secretive or to do with secrets..

Sunday morning they stopped and checked into a Motel near Corpus Christie....Debra, her daughter and Lois state that John was intently watching the T/V broadcasts, and perched on the edge of the bed....chain smoking, and seemingly very nervous.

When they saw Lee Harvey Oswald on the TV being transferred and suddenly shot, John Liggett physically relaxed, and basically told them pack your things we can go home now....

After the assassination, John seemed to come into a large amount of money...Their whole lifestyle changed, they bought and moved to a very expensive new home...and John's new friends and the company he kept, were described as wild ,with regular poker games ,gambling and parties at the new house...

He was always tied in with the Dallas Police and always seemed to be under investigation in something he was involved in, gambling or such...Their whole life style became chaotic..they later divorced..

One day Debra and her sister recall a visit by a freakish man, with painted eyebrows, wig and all...they were told by John that he was an old friend from the Civil Air Patrol.....

Lois stated that she always felt John was involved somehow in the assassination of the President.....She thinks perhaps he flew to Bethesda in Washington with the Presidents body, (or on AF 2 ) to fix the wounds.

It has been stated by Charles Smith and fellow co-workers and friends from Restland, that John was the best in reconstruction..that he would work all evening or as long as it took, to say repair damage to someone who perhaps had been disformed in an accident and that after all was restored to perfection, you would never know of the damage that had been received to the body....He was a master.

Info..from TMWKK

Edited January 26, 2005 by Bernice Moore

[Dave Weaver]

Shanet,

Is the mortician's name you are after John Ligget (see below)?

James

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Hello Again James

Mortician John Liggett :

When the HSCA met for their final reading to the world...the statement was issued, along with the rest of the report that the medical Doctors....all agreed, 16 from Parkland and 10 associated with Bethesda , 26 in all, that they had stated they did not see a hole, a blow out wound ,in the rear of President Kennedy's head.....needless to say, all witnesses were also wrong, which included Secret Service, F.B.I., Nurses, Attendants, Staff, and eye witness in Dealey Plaza....including his wife Jacqueline..

..The HSCA lied..

Dr.Mantik has been to NARA and viewed the autopsy photos 9 times..he has related the information ,in his opinion..there is a soft matt insertion in these photographs that cover that aspect of the back head wound.... so many others state there was no wound to the side of the Presidents head....nor was there a wound to the top of the head..

Though there may have been damage to the top of the skull that later during the actual autopsy, caused the top area, simply to fall away in several pieces.....at the time of Parkland, and the arrival of the body at Bethesda there was no open, blasted out wound to that area...if it was shattered, at that time,the scalp tissue and hair, contained it all.....

John Liggett, worked for the Restland Mortuary in Dallas..

The day of the assassination, he and his wife Lois,at that time, whom had been married just three months before, after her first husband Charles Godwin and father of her 4 children ,had been killed in a private plane crash.....were attending a funeral service for her Aunt at Restland...John came to her with the news that the President had been shot....and he left for Parkland Hospital.

At 2pm he called her from the hospital with the message that John F.Kennedy had died....she asked if Restland had gotten the job....he replied no, but that he had a lot of work to do and he would be gone for some time and would call her ..

He returned home, 24 hours later ..He was very tired and exhausted but hyper....Lois says he appeared to have had a traumatic experience in her opinion.He told the family that they must get out of town for awhile till this all blows over, explaining nothing more,they proceededito pack the car, and leave Dallas..

They drove to Austin, and San Antonio, and along the way they stopped at various relatives and friends..he met with his brother Malcolm..Lois felt that she was not privilege to hear what was being said in conversations, that it was all somehow, secretive or to do with secrets..

Sunday morning they stopped and checked into a Motel near Corpus Christie....Debra, her daughter and Lois state that John was intently watching the T/V broadcasts, and perched on the edge of the bed....chain smoking, and seemingly very nervous.

When they saw Lee Harvey Oswald on the TV being transferred and suddenly shot, John Liggett physically relaxed, and basically told them pack your things we can go home now....

After the assassination, John seemed to come into a large amount of money...Their whole lifestyle changed, they bought and moved to a very expensive new home...and John's new friends and the company he kept, were described as wild ,with regular poker games ,gambling and parties at the new house...

He was always tied in with the Dallas Police and always seemed to be under investigation in something he was involved in, gambling or such...Their whole life style became chaotic..they later divorced..

One day Debra and her sister recall a visit by a freakish man, with painted eyebrows, wig and all...they were told by John that he was an old friend from the Civil Air Patrol.....

Lois stated that she always felt John was involved somehow in the assassination of the President.....She thinks perhaps he flew to Bethesda in Washington with the Presidents body, (or on AF 2 ) to fix the wounds.

It has been stated by Charles Smith and fellow co-workers and friends from Restland, that John was the best in reconstruction..that he would work all evening or as long as it took, to say repair damage to someone who perhaps had been disformed in an accident and that after all was restored to perfection, you would never know of the damage that had been received to the body....He was a master.

Info..from TMWKK

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I have to look at the video as soon as I have it back, but I think I remember

that the film suggested that he was killed on the spot by a shot or shots in he back when he tried to escape while being prepared for a transport with other prisoners.

There's also his grave shown in the film, and as far as I remember the

date of death on it was different from the date when he was shot..

His death certificate is also shown, but the date of death is hard to make out.

Can anyone compare the dates given (being shot, day he died, and also if he realy had a key with him when he tried to escape.

Maybe I am wrong, but as far as I remember, there was no mentioning, that he

had survived the shot(s).

Edited January 26, 2005 by Dave Weaver

[Dixie Dea]

Yes, there is more to that Liggett story! After he supposedly died, his ex wife was on a trip to Las Vegas. While in a Casino, she looked up and saw Liggett working, as a Pit Boss (I am thinking it was) He also saw her, but he turned around and walked the other direction, so as not to have to be confronted by her. She also knew that he did love to be around gambling, yet he was also suppose to be dead. She believe his death was staged and he was relocated in a witness protection program.

At some point a woman from her church befriended her, seemingly out of the blue. I don't recall what transpired from this friendship.

However, a photo was found that seemed to be at a Night Club (maybe the Carousel). In the photo, sitting at a table was, Jack Ruby, Liggetts brother Malcalm and his wife and that woman who had befrieded her before.

Not long ago, I believe I heard that Malcalm Liggett, denied that photo being him and his wife and was in fact suing someone, not sure who though.

I may not have this all exactly correct, but this was it more or less.

I have wondered if anyone had any updates to this story, since seen in TMWKK.

Dixie

[Ron Ecker]

Not long ago, I believe I heard that Malcalm Liggett, denied that photo being him and his wife and was in fact suing someone, not sure who though.

Yes, Malcolm Liggett has sued The History Channel, alleging that the program falsely portrayed him and invaded his privacy. He says he did not meet with his brother John in Corpus Cristi two days after the assassination as alleged, and it is not Malcolm and his wife in the photo with Ruby.

Ron

[Bernice Moore]

Yes, there is more to that Liggett story! After he supposedly died, his ex wife was on a trip to Las Vegas. While in a Casino, she looked up and saw Liggett working, as a Pit Boss (I am thinking it was) He also saw her, but he turned around and walked the other direction, so as not to have to be confronted by her. She also knew that he did love to be around gambling, yet he was also suppose to be dead. She believe his death was staged and he was relocated in a witness protection program.

At some point a woman from her church befriended her, seemingly out of the blue. I don't recall what transpired from this friendship.

However, a photo was found that seemed to be at a Night Club (maybe the Carousel). In the photo, sitting at a table was, Jack Ruby, Liggetts brother Malcalm and his wife and that woman who had befrieded her before.

Not long ago, I believe I heard that Malcalm Liggett, denied that photo being him and his wife and was in fact suing someone, not sure who though.

I may not have this all exactly correct, but this was it more or less.

I have wondered if anyone had any updates to this story, since seen in TMWKK.

Dixie

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Hi:

I did the Liggit story in two parts but so far cannot find the second, the info was taken right from the tape TMWKK......

As I recall.....

Yes Dave he was shot by Police trying to escape, though there is something odd also ?? about the wound, he was shot in the back but the wound was to the front of the neck, hmmmm sound familiar, something to that effect...He also was held in the County Jail I believe for a year with no trial or official charges ??, for attempted murder of his girlfriend before his death??

After John and Lois were divorced they remained close...but one day she had a call from Malcolm, and met him in the park...he wanted she said to walk into the open as if he did not want anyone overhearing anything he had to say...he told her to never see John again, that is was dangerous for her and her family....He was so serious she took all to heart and it frightened her, and she then moved the children to another city in Texas..She did remarry...and the woman Dixie mentions she met at church became I believe one of the childrens Godmothers, the daughter's whom also told the story on the Tape...the woman was constantly dropping in and out and they were the best of friends and also became like one of the family, one day she simply disappeared, and they have never seen nor heard from her again, and they do wonder now, if somehow she was keeping an eye on them......( not sure now but I do think she disappeared after John was killed, ??)

Lois also recalled when John was killed, and she spoke to his new wife at that time, and she told her she has seen him in death and that it did not look like John,in the coffin...??...this next wife was not interviewed..

The day they went to Las Vegas, and into the Casino, she looked around and saw a man who she would swear was John Liggett looking at her, he turned and spoke to a fellow worker and seemingly stared at her, she called one of her grandchildren to her, as he was watching, and they left immediately ,it so unnerved her.....She also stated that , Las Vegas with all it's gambling Casinos was just the type of place John would have gone to...to hide out, if need be.

Yes, Malcolm denies being in the photo, or that any part of this story is true..have not heard anymore on his suit nor information on this story...if and when..

[Bernice Moore]

Found a bit more from my records on Malcolm .

He lives in Varo Beach in Florida, and

he is a professional mediator....an elderly man now...he has served at the Univ.in Labor relations..and the Faculty Senate at Pen State...He was a supervisory economist for 3 years at the nat. research Office of the EEOC.

Liggett was arrested in 1974 for the murder of Jay Bert Peck's widow.

According to Billie Sol Estes in "JFK, le dernier témoin", John Liggett would also have killed Jay Bert Peck himself, and many other people related to John F. Kennedy's assassination. He would have been a serial killer used by an organization responsible of JFK's death..

Jay Bert Peck was a cousin of Lyndon B. Johnson who resembled him amazingly. He had been LBJ's official double.

According to Billie Sol Estes in "JFK, le dernier témoin", Jay Bert Peck would have replaced Lyndon Johnson during the night between November 21 and 22.

Corrections to the previous post and a wee bit more info.

When John Liggett was arrested in 74 for the murder of Beck's widow he was held in jail for assault for a year,but during that year the Police were not allowed to interview him....... and then when they were transferring him he got loose,with a key..

It was when John was in jail, his brother Malcolm got ahold

of Lois by phone, and they met in the park....and he warned her to never say anything about anything and to never see John again...for her and the childrens sake.

Now why would he relax at what was a motel in Corpus Christi when he saw Oswald had been shot, unless he knew of this beforehand ??

That perhaps no one would now talk about the cover-up of the conspiracy and the real murderers and he and his family were safe now..?? Was he being coerced to keep his mouth shut ?? and from whom did the money come from that they came into shortly after the assassination.??

[Dawn Meredith]

Shanet,

Is the mortician's name you are after John Ligget (see below)?

James

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Thanx Bernice. I was just about to give Shanet this information. In fact I make reference to it on another thread, the three censored hours from TMWKK.

The John Ligget hour is fantastic. Also The Guilty Men, which is what got the show pulled, as it features Barr McClellan and his book, Blood Money and Power, How LBJ killed JFK". Walt Brown is on, Ed Tatro, Nathan Darby, (who made the print match). Ladybird and Jack Valenti went nuts over this and got it pulled, BUT why all three hours??? The Ligget hour is the key!!!

Shanet I might be able to get you a copy of this. I will PM you.

Dawn

[Bernice Moore]

Shanet,

Is the mortician's name you are after John Ligget (see below)?

James

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Thanx Bernice. I was just about to give Shanet this information. In fact I make reference to it on another thread, the three censored hours from TMWKK.

The John Ligget hour is fantastic. Also The Guilty Men, which is what got the show pulled, as it features Barr McClellan and his book, Blood Money and Power, How LBJ killed JFK". Walt Brown is on, Ed Tatro, Nathan Darby, (who made the print match). Ladybird and Jack Valenti went nuts over this and got it pulled, BUT why all three hours??? The Ligget hour is the key!!!

Shanet I might be able to get you a copy of this. I will PM you.

Dawn

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Hi Dawn:

If you have this information all compiled, I did but cannot find my typed article.

Then please post it for all the members, as I more than likely may have left out bits of information....

I do have the sets on tapes and CDs....but thankyou for the thought.

Another thought re the information on this program, was perhaps it was not so much pulling the three complete hours, as perhaps obtaining all ,and therefore ending the series, which their actions apparently seems to have done....?

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For those who have followed along....

One other bit I have beem reminded of, was that John Liggett would disappear at times, for maybe several days at a time....His co-workers also stated that they had to be at work, as usual each and every day...but John would simply inform whomever that he would not be in, and simply leave.....he never lost his job, nor was reprimanded in anyway..and the others did wonder why he was allowed to.......Lois also comfirmed this....

[Dawn Meredith]

Shanet,

Is the mortician's name you are after John Ligget (see below)?

James

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Thanx Bernice. I was just about to give Shanet this information. In fact I make reference to it on another thread, the three censored hours from TMWKK.

The John Ligget hour is fantastic. Also The Guilty Men, which is what got the show pulled, as it features Barr McClellan and his book, Blood Money and Power, How LBJ killed JFK". Walt Brown is on, Ed Tatro, Nathan Darby, (who made the print match). Ladybird and Jack Valenti went nuts over this and got it pulled, BUT why all three hours??? The Ligget hour is the key!!!

Shanet I might be able to get you a copy of this. I will PM you.

Dawn

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Hi Dawn:

If you have this information all compiled, I did but cannot find my typed article.

Then please post it for all the members, as I more than likely may have left out bits of information....

I do have the sets on tapes and CDs....but thankyou for the thought.

Another thought re the information on this program, was perhaps it was not so much pulling the three complete hours, as perhaps obtaining all ,and therefore ending the series, which their actions apparently seems to have done....?

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For those who have followed along....

One other bit I have beem reminded of, was that John Liggett would disappear at times, for maybe several days at a time....His co-workers also stated that they had to be at work, as usual each and every day...but John would simply inform whomever that he would not be in, and simply leave.....he never lost his job, nor was reprimanded in anyway..and the others did wonder why he was allowed to.......Lois also comfirmed this....

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B.

No I don't have it all compiled, but I just happened to watch that hour the other nite, to be sure I actually have it, as a dear friend wants to see it and I needed to find the darn thing. So, I was just going to summerize, but you did a great job.

Dawn

Gary Mack: I will respond to your PM on this after my expert has had a chance to view it. I am aware that the family has sued over this. I will have a full response by Sat.