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Jim Marrs "Crossfire":

"A pilot car, which preceded the motorcade by a quarter of a mile

checking for 'motor accidents, fires and obstructions along the route'

contained Dallas Deputy police chief G.L. Lumpkin, two Dallas homicide

detectives, and Lt. Col. George Whitmayer, commander of the local

Army Intelligence reserve unit."

This, to me, is a very intriguing statement of fact. Has anyone looked

into this farther or developed any information concerning this car and its

official party of motorcade scouts?

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Shanet,

This, to me, is a very intriguing statement of fact. Has anyone looked

into this farther or developed any information concerning this car and its

official party of motorcade scouts?

I spent quite a bit of time on this pilot car.

What is interesting to me is that even though Democratic Party advance man Jack Puterbaugh had been in Dallas since at least the 18th I believe and had been in many meetings with Dallas Police officials and had been in and around headquarters quite a bit, in their after action reports Turner and Senkel both said that the other man in the car besides Whitmeyer and Lumpkin was a Secret Service agent. They wrote that when they got to Love Field for their assignment, Lumpkin introduced Puterbaugh as a Secret Service Agent.

I don't have my notes with me, but in the DPD Archives there are something like 8 or 9 documents that refer to this other man as being a Secret Service Agent.

Steve Thomas

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Steve,

Great stuff, as usual. Could you go over all that again and give

us your conclusions or hypothesis about what was going on?

From a first look, it seems that Whitmayer may have been

"out of the loop" a reserves MI guy who was not linked to

the 112th and the suspicious Texas MI/Ed Walker connected

Captain Sidwell.

What do you think was really going on?

Anybody else who has looked into this is encouraged to comment.

(great material lately --- thanks, everybody)

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Shanet,

Could you go over all that again and give

us your conclusions or hypothesis about what was going on?

I believe, but cannot prove that a Secret Service Agent was originally scheduled to ride in that pilot car. I believe that this scheduled Secret Service Agent was pulled the same way that car positions and motorcycle escorts were changed at the last minute. Further down the road, as people were assigned to write up reports of who was where, they referred to what had been scheduled, not what actually took place. One mistaken report followed on another.

To me, it makes absolutely no sense to put two officers from the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, one Head of the Administrative Bureau (responsible for the jail, the ID Section, etc.), one personal friend of Deputy Chief Lumpkin (who happened to be in the Army Reserve), and one Democratic Party Advance man in the car which was supposed to lookout for possible dangers to the motorcade (obstructions, stalled cars, etc).

At the very least, they should have had somebody from the traffic division or patrol division who was used to life out on the streets and knew what to look for traffic-wise.

And, have you ever noticed that noone in that pilot car spoke of seeing people on the railroad overpass - some directly over Elm Street where they could have dropped an rgg or even a bomb into the Presiden't limousine?

This fuels my suspicion over something that Sam Holland, who had been brought up onto the overpass to help identify people, told the WC:

Mr. STERN - So, that it is fair to say that at the time the President's motorcade turned into this area, there was no one on the overpass that you didn't know either as Terminal Co. employees, or railroad employees, or as a policeman?

Mr. HOLLAND - Wouldn't be fair to say that, because there was quite a few came up there right in the last moments.

Mr. STERN - There were? Tell us about that.

Mr. HOLLAND - That I couldn't recognize. There wasn't too many people up there, but there were a few that came up there the last few minutes, but the policemen were questioning them and getting their identification, and---<

Mr. STERN - Is this just about the time of the motorcade?

Mr. HOLLAND - Just about the time, or just prior to it, because there was a few up there that I didn't--that I didn't recognize myself.

I believe someone who was familir with the motorcade and its operation, and knew that people were not supposed to be on overpasses, waited until after the pilot car passed, then flooded the overpass with strange people.

Steve Thomas

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Shanet,

Could you go over all that again and give

us your conclusions or hypothesis about what was going on?

I believe, but cannot prove that a Secret Service Agent was originally scheduled to ride in that pilot car. I believe that this scheduled Secret Service Agent was pulled the same way that car positions and motorcycle escorts were changed at the last minute. Further down the road, as people were assigned to write up reports of who was where, they referred to what had been scheduled, not what actually took place. One mistaken report followed on another.

To me, it makes absolutely no sense to put two officers from the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, one Head of the Administrative Bureau (responsible for the jail, the ID Section, etc.), one personal friend of Deputy Chief Lumpkin (who happened to be in the Army Reserve), and one Democratic Party Advance man in the car which was supposed to lookout for possible dangers to the motorcade (obstructions, stalled cars, etc).

At the very least, they should have had somebody from the traffic division or patrol division who was used to life out on the streets and knew what to look for traffic-wise.

And, have you ever noticed that noone in that pilot car spoke of seeing people on the railroad overpass - some directly over Elm Street where they could have dropped an rgg or even a bomb into the Presiden't limousine?

This fuels my suspicion over something that Sam Holland, who had been brought up onto the overpass to help identify people, told the WC:

Mr. STERN - So, that it is fair to say that at the time the President's motorcade turned into this area, there was no one on the overpass that you didn't know either as Terminal Co. employees, or railroad employees, or as a policeman?

Mr. HOLLAND - Wouldn't be fair to say that, because there was quite a few came up there right in the last moments.

Mr. STERN - There were? Tell us about that.

Mr. HOLLAND - That I couldn't recognize. There wasn't too many people up there, but there were a few that came up there the last few minutes, but the policemen were questioning them and getting their identification, and---<

Mr. STERN - Is this just about the time of the motorcade?

Mr. HOLLAND - Just about the time, or just prior to it, because there was a few up there that I didn't--that I didn't recognize myself.

I believe someone who was familir with the motorcade and its operation, and knew that people were not supposed to be on overpasses, waited until after the pilot car passed, then flooded the overpass with strange people.

Steve Thomas

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Shanet and Steve,

I was given some information on this matter of lack of security recently: Some time back, on a different thread someone asked if there was any source aside from Prouty as to any official "stand down" order. There is now, but he's "off the record" at this time:Lumpkin, I was told, had far more power then was hereto fore known. It was he who told Reserve Ltd. Whitmore and other necessary men (out of San Antonio) that their services would not be required, in other words " To stand down". Lumkin, had this authority "over the entire state of Tx" . More later as I learn same from an unnamed source who was there, and in a capacity to know these matters.

Dawn

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Shanet,

Could you go over all that again and give

us your conclusions or hypothesis about what was going on?

I believe, but cannot prove that a Secret Service Agent was originally scheduled to ride in that pilot car. I believe that this scheduled Secret Service Agent was pulled the same way that car positions and motorcycle escorts were changed at the last minute. Further down the road, as people were assigned to write up reports of who was where, they referred to what had been scheduled, not what actually took place. One mistaken report followed on another.

To me, it makes absolutely no sense to put two officers from the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, one Head of the Administrative Bureau (responsible for the jail, the ID Section, etc.), one personal friend of Deputy Chief Lumpkin (who happened to be in the Army Reserve), and one Democratic Party Advance man in the car which was supposed to lookout for possible dangers to the motorcade (obstructions, stalled cars, etc).

At the very least, they should have had somebody from the traffic division or patrol division who was used to life out on the streets and knew what to look for traffic-wise.

And, have you ever noticed that noone in that pilot car spoke of seeing people on the railroad overpass - some directly over Elm Street where they could have dropped an rgg or even a bomb into the Presiden't limousine?

This fuels my suspicion over something that Sam Holland, who had been brought up onto the overpass to help identify people, told the WC:

Mr. STERN - So, that it is fair to say that at the time the President's motorcade turned into this area, there was no one on the overpass that you didn't know either as Terminal Co. employees, or railroad employees, or as a policeman?

Mr. HOLLAND - Wouldn't be fair to say that, because there was quite a few came up there right in the last moments.

Mr. STERN - There were? Tell us about that.

Mr. HOLLAND - That I couldn't recognize. There wasn't too many people up there, but there were a few that came up there the last few minutes, but the policemen were questioning them and getting their identification, and---<

Mr. STERN - Is this just about the time of the motorcade?

Mr. HOLLAND - Just about the time, or just prior to it, because there was a few up there that I didn't--that I didn't recognize myself.

I believe someone who was familir with the motorcade and its operation, and knew that people were not supposed to be on overpasses, waited until after the pilot car passed, then flooded the overpass with strange people.

Steve Thomas

___________________________

Shanet and Steve,

I was given some information on this matter of lack of security recently: Some time back, on a different thread someone asked if there was any source aside from Prouty as to any official "stand down" order. There is now, but he's "off the record" at this time:Lumpkin, I was told, had far more power then was hereto fore known. It was he who told Reserve Ltd. Whitmore and other necessary men (out of San Antonio) that their services would not be required, in other words " To stand down". Lumkin, had this authority "over the entire state of Tx" . More later as I learn same from an unnamed source who was there, and in a capacity to know these matters.

Dawn

ps opps Sorry about typo, meant to say

"Whitmayer".

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Dawn,

I was given some information on this matter of lack of security recently: Some time back, on a different thread someone asked if there was any source aside from Prouty as to any official "stand down" order. There is now, but he's "off the record" at this time:Lumpkin, I was told, had far more power then was hereto fore known. It was he who told Reserve Ltd. Whitmore and other necessary men (out of San Antonio) that their services would not be required, in other words " To stand down". Lumkin, had this authority "over the entire state of Tx" . More later as I learn same from an unnamed source who was there, and in a capacity to know these matters.

Thank you for this. It reinforces something that I have long suspected about Lumpkin.

Would you do me a favor?

Around 11:00 PM on November 22nd, a cable was sent from The Commanding General U.S. Continental Army Command to the Commander in Chief, U.S. Strike Command in Fort Macdill, FL. This cable summarized a telephone call between a Captain Saxton in U.S. Strike Command and a Lieutenant Colonel Fons in the 4th Army Headquarters, Fort Sam Houston, TX. Part of the information in this phone call contained the following:

"Assistant Chief Don Stringfellow, Intelligence Section, Dallas Police Department, notified 112th Intelligene Group, this Headquarters that information had been obtained from Oswald revealed he had defected to Cuba in 1959 and is card carrying member of Communist Party."

Now, we know that Don Stringfellow was just a Detective and not an Assistant Chief, but could you ask your source if Don Stringfellow was a liason from the Dallas Police Department to military intelligence?

Thanks,

Steve Thomas

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Steve,

Looks like a "cover your ass" memo

translation "see, we had just found out Oswald was a bad guy"

The timing of the call is very supicious, of course.

The 112th was the critical element, along with the 1963 Secret Service.

While they may not have ambushed JFK, they failed to prevent it.

As a bumbling bureaucracy, leaks like this have fed the story.

A joint agency domestic executive action is a reasonable theory to explain the facts.

When we remember that it was 112th MI Captain Siewell whose

license number was eradicated from the Gen. Edwin Walker

house photo....

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Shanet,

Could you go over all that again and give

us your conclusions or hypothesis about what was going on?

I believe, but cannot prove that a Secret Service Agent was originally scheduled to ride in that pilot car. I believe that this scheduled Secret Service Agent was pulled the same way that car positions and motorcycle escorts were changed at the last minute. Further down the road, as people were assigned to write up reports of who was where, they referred to what had been scheduled, not what actually took place. One mistaken report followed on another.

To me, it makes absolutely no sense to put two officers from the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, one Head of the Administrative Bureau (responsible for the jail, the ID Section, etc.), one personal friend of Deputy Chief Lumpkin (who happened to be in the Army Reserve), and one Democratic Party Advance man in the car which was supposed to lookout for possible dangers to the motorcade (obstructions, stalled cars, etc).

At the very least, they should have had somebody from the traffic division or patrol division who was used to life out on the streets and knew what to look for traffic-wise.

And, have you ever noticed that noone in that pilot car spoke of seeing people on the railroad overpass - some directly over Elm Street where they could have dropped an rgg or even a bomb into the Presiden't limousine?

This fuels my suspicion over something that Sam Holland, who had been brought up onto the overpass to help identify people, told the WC:

Mr. STERN - So, that it is fair to say that at the time the President's motorcade turned into this area, there was no one on the overpass that you didn't know either as Terminal Co. employees, or railroad employees, or as a policeman?

Mr. HOLLAND - Wouldn't be fair to say that, because there was quite a few came up there right in the last moments.

Mr. STERN - There were? Tell us about that.

Mr. HOLLAND - That I couldn't recognize. There wasn't too many people up there, but there were a few that came up there the last few minutes, but the policemen were questioning them and getting their identification, and---<

Mr. STERN - Is this just about the time of the motorcade?

Mr. HOLLAND - Just about the time, or just prior to it, because there was a few up there that I didn't--that I didn't recognize myself.

I believe someone who was familir with the motorcade and its operation, and knew that people were not supposed to be on overpasses, waited until after the pilot car passed, then flooded the overpass with strange people.

Steve Thomas

___________________________

Shanet and Steve,

I was given some information on this matter of lack of security recently: Some time back, on a different thread someone asked if there was any source aside from Prouty as to any official "stand down" order. There is now, but he's "off the record" at this time:Lumpkin, I was told, had far more power then was hereto fore known. It was he who told Reserve Ltd. Whitmore and other necessary men (out of San Antonio) that their services would not be required, in other words " To stand down". Lumkin, had this authority "over the entire state of Tx" . More later as I learn same from an unnamed source who was there, and in a capacity to know these matters.

Dawn

ps opps Sorry about typo, meant to say

"Whitmayer".

_______________________________

Further Clarification:

Lt. Col Whitmeyer, who was Commanding Officer of the Northern District of Tx. actually gave the "stand down" order, But Col. Lumpkin, who was the highest ranking reserve Col., (military intelligence), for the state of Tx., was Whitmeyer's boss, and as such had to have (1.) given Whitmeyer said stand down order and was (2.) probably acting upon orders from a higher "G-2" in Washington. Lumpkin, who died 7/15/94 never testified before the WC, even tho he was also Dep. chief of Dallas police, and driver of the JFK "pilot car". He did testify before HSCA 11/3/77.

Lt. Col. Whitmeyer (misspelled in Crossfire) died 4/18/78.

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Shanet,

Could you go over all that again and give

us your conclusions or hypothesis about what was going on?

I believe, but cannot prove that a Secret Service Agent was originally scheduled to ride in that pilot car. I believe that this scheduled Secret Service Agent was pulled the same way that car positions and motorcycle escorts were changed at the last minute. Further down the road, as people were assigned to write up reports of who was where, they referred to what had been scheduled, not what actually took place. One mistaken report followed on another.

To me, it makes absolutely no sense to put two officers from the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, one Head of the Administrative Bureau (responsible for the jail, the ID Section, etc.), one personal friend of Deputy Chief Lumpkin (who happened to be in the Army Reserve), and one Democratic Party Advance man in the car which was supposed to lookout for possible dangers to the motorcade (obstructions, stalled cars, etc).

At the very least, they should have had somebody from the traffic division or patrol division who was used to life out on the streets and knew what to look for traffic-wise.

And, have you ever noticed that noone in that pilot car spoke of seeing people on the railroad overpass - some directly over Elm Street where they could have dropped an rgg or even a bomb into the Presiden't limousine?

This fuels my suspicion over something that Sam Holland, who had been brought up onto the overpass to help identify people, told the WC:

Mr. STERN - So, that it is fair to say that at the time the President's motorcade turned into this area, there was no one on the overpass that you didn't know either as Terminal Co. employees, or railroad employees, or as a policeman?

Mr. HOLLAND - Wouldn't be fair to say that, because there was quite a few came up there right in the last moments.

Mr. STERN - There were? Tell us about that.

Mr. HOLLAND - That I couldn't recognize. There wasn't too many people up there, but there were a few that came up there the last few minutes, but the policemen were questioning them and getting their identification, and---<

Mr. STERN - Is this just about the time of the motorcade?

Mr. HOLLAND - Just about the time, or just prior to it, because there was a few up there that I didn't--that I didn't recognize myself.

I believe someone who was familir with the motorcade and its operation, and knew that people were not supposed to be on overpasses, waited until after the pilot car passed, then flooded the overpass with strange people.

Steve Thomas

___________________________

Shanet and Steve,

I was given some information on this matter of lack of security recently: Some time back, on a different thread someone asked if there was any source aside from Prouty as to any official "stand down" order. There is now, but he's "off the record" at this time:Lumpkin, I was told, had far more power then was hereto fore known. It was he who told Reserve Ltd. Whitmore and other necessary men (out of San Antonio) that their services would not be required, in other words " To stand down". Lumkin, had this authority "over the entire state of Tx" . More later as I learn same from an unnamed source who was there, and in a capacity to know these matters.

Dawn

ps opps Sorry about typo, meant to say

"Whitmayer".

_______________________________

Further Clarification:

Lt. Col Whitmeyer, who was Commanding Officer of the Northern District of Tx. actually gave the "stand down" order, But Col. Lumpkin, who was the highest ranking reserve Col., (military intelligence), for the state of Tx., was Whitmeyer's boss, and as such had to have (1.) given Whitmeyer said stand down order and was (2.) probably acting upon orders from a higher "G-2" in Washington. Lumpkin, who died 7/15/94 never testified before the WC, even tho he was also Dep. chief of Dallas police, and driver of the JFK "pilot car". He did testify before HSCA 11/3/77.

Lt. Col. Whitmeyer (misspelled in Crossfire) died 4/18/78.

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Shanet,

Could you go over all that again and give

us your conclusions or hypothesis about what was going on?

I believe, but cannot prove that a Secret Service Agent was originally scheduled to ride in that pilot car. I believe that this scheduled Secret Service Agent was pulled the same way that car positions and motorcycle escorts were changed at the last minute. Further down the road, as people were assigned to write up reports of who was where, they referred to what had been scheduled, not what actually took place. One mistaken report followed on another.

To me, it makes absolutely no sense to put two officers from the Homicide and Robbery Bureau, one Head of the Administrative Bureau (responsible for the jail, the ID Section, etc.), one personal friend of Deputy Chief Lumpkin (who happened to be in the Army Reserve), and one Democratic Party Advance man in the car which was supposed to lookout for possible dangers to the motorcade (obstructions, stalled cars, etc).

At the very least, they should have had somebody from the traffic division or patrol division who was used to life out on the streets and knew what to look for traffic-wise.

And, have you ever noticed that noone in that pilot car spoke of seeing people on the railroad overpass - some directly over Elm Street where they could have dropped an rgg or even a bomb into the Presiden't limousine?

This fuels my suspicion over something that Sam Holland, who had been brought up onto the overpass to help identify people, told the WC:

Mr. STERN - So, that it is fair to say that at the time the President's motorcade turned into this area, there was no one on the overpass that you didn't know either as Terminal Co. employees, or railroad employees, or as a policeman?

Mr. HOLLAND - Wouldn't be fair to say that, because there was quite a few came up there right in the last moments.

Mr. STERN - There were? Tell us about that.

Mr. HOLLAND - That I couldn't recognize. There wasn't too many people up there, but there were a few that came up there the last few minutes, but the policemen were questioning them and getting their identification, and---<

Mr. STERN - Is this just about the time of the motorcade?

Mr. HOLLAND - Just about the time, or just prior to it, because there was a few up there that I didn't--that I didn't recognize myself.

I believe someone who was familir with the motorcade and its operation, and knew that people were not supposed to be on overpasses, waited until after the pilot car passed, then flooded the overpass with strange people.

Steve Thomas

___________________________

Shanet and Steve,

I was given some information on this matter of lack of security recently: Some time back, on a different thread someone asked if there was any source aside from Prouty as to any official "stand down" order. There is now, but he's "off the record" at this time:Lumpkin, I was told, had far more power then was hereto fore known. It was he who told Reserve Ltd. Whitmore and other necessary men (out of San Antonio) that their services would not be required, in other words " To stand down". Lumkin, had this authority "over the entire state of Tx" . More later as I learn same from an unnamed source who was there, and in a capacity to know these matters.

Dawn

ps opps Sorry about typo, meant to say

"Whitmayer".

_______________________________

Further Clarification:

Lt. Col Whitmeyer, who was Commanding Officer of the Northern District of Tx. actually gave the "stand down" order, But Col. Lumpkin, who was the highest ranking reserve Col., (military intelligence), for the state of Tx., was Whitmeyer's boss, and as such had to have (1.) given Whitmeyer said stand down order and was (2.) probably acting upon orders from a higher "G-2" in Washington. Lumpkin, who died 7/15/94 never testified before the WC, even tho he was also Dep. chief of Dallas police, and driver of the JFK "pilot car". He did testify before HSCA 11/3/77.

Lt. Col. Whitmeyer (misspelled in Crossfire) died 4/18/78.

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Shanet,

Steve,

Looks like a "cover your ass" memo

translation "see, we had just found out Oswald was a bad guy"

This is one small part of the cable. For the most part, the cable provides a history of the Fair Play for Cuba Committee. In his HSCA testimony, Col. Robert Jones denied that the 112th MI had sent this cable. It came from the 4th Army Headquarters, but not from the 112th. It was sent by the Commanding General's office, Assistant Secretary, 4th Army Headquarters.

The timing of the call is very supicious, of course.

Since the cable was sent around 11:00 PM, and it summarized an earlier telephone call, we don't know when the call took place.

What is interesting to me is the statement that Oswald defected to Cuba in 1959. The last paragraph of the cable says, "Dallas, Texas, and San Antonio Light newspaper stated Oswald traveled to Moscow, USSR, in 1959. POssibility exists that Oswald may have traveled to USSR via Cuba, in view of above information uncovered by Dallas Police."

Now some have said that this cable in an obvious attempt by someone to try and implicate Cuba and Russia in Kennedy's assassination.

I have been toying with the possiblity that this cable is not an attempt at provocation, but that Oswald did in fact go to the USSR by way of Cuba, and that it was someone else who traveled to Helsinki in early October, 1959.

Ruby went to Cuba on September 12th and went to New Orleans on September 13th.

Oswald left Fort Worth on September 17th and arrived in New Orleans on September 17th or 18th.

The possibility is there that Ruby and Oswald were both in New Orleans at the same time. I have wondered if Ruby picked up some entry papers to Cuba while he was there and delivered them to Oswald.

This would fit the pattern of what Oswald supposedly tried to do in late September and early October, 1963 - go to Russia by way of Cuba.

Just speculation.

Steve Thomas

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Dawn,

I was given some information on this matter of lack of security recently: Some time back, on a different thread someone asked if there was any source aside from Prouty as to any official  "stand down" order. There is now, but he's "off the record" at this time:Lumpkin, I was told,  had far more power then was hereto fore known. It was he who told Reserve Ltd. Whitmore and other necessary men (out of San Antonio) that their services would not be required, in other words " To stand down". Lumkin, had this authority "over the entire state of Tx" .  More later as I learn same from an unnamed source who was there, and in a capacity to know these matters. 

Thank you for this. It reinforces something that I have long suspected about Lumpkin.

Would you do me a favor?

Around 11:00 PM on November 22nd, a cable was sent from The Commanding General U.S. Continental Army Command to the Commander in Chief, U.S. Strike Command in Fort Macdill, FL. This cable summarized a telephone call between a Captain Saxton in U.S. Strike Command and a Lieutenant Colonel Fons in the 4th Army Headquarters, Fort Sam Houston, TX. Part of the information in this phone call contained the following:

"Assistant Chief Don Stringfellow, Intelligence Section, Dallas Police Department, notified 112th Intelligene Group, this Headquarters that information had been obtained from Oswald revealed he had defected to Cuba in 1959 and is card carrying member of Communist Party."

Now, we know that Don Stringfellow was just a Detective and not an Assistant Chief, but could you ask your source if Don Stringfellow was a liason from the Dallas Police Department to military intelligence?

Thanks,

Steve Thomas

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Steve:

I will ask. I am in an all day long continuing legal ed class for the next 3 days, 8-5 an hour north of me, so may not get to post much, but will ask re this.

Also, I did not post that last entry 3 times on purpose, when I tried to post it I kept getting "that page cannot be opened" showing that the site may be down, but I wanted this to be posted as I am about to walk out the door to my class. Sorry.

Dawn

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