Shanet Clark Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 (edited) http://www.jfkjr.com/archives/ If you are familiar with Lee Forman's seminar thread on the Zapruder, you know there is an anomaly in the upper right quadrant of frames 1-40 which looks like a matte overlay, a fuzzy indistinct area to the right of the building with the narrow upright windows. (Lee says it looks like the retaining wall and it does): http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z1.jpg Looking at Muchmore, I found the large black block, which is seen in Zapruder inside this strangely fuzzy area. In Muchmore it is a black "marquis" shaped balcony. About 22 seconds into the MUCHMORE film (link provided at the top of this post) a very clear RIFLE is seen. It is pointed downrange and hangs over the portico between the two buildings. This is a very clear, naked eye, unmistakeable film image of a rifle ... Go to Muchmore, pause at 22 seconds and look at the second story above the black connecting portico. You will see it in the area "fuzzed" in the Zapruder film. Edited February 24, 2005 by Shanet Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Wagner Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 (edited) http://www.jfkjr.com/archives/If you are familiar with Lee Forman's seminar thread on the Zapruder, you know there is an anomaly in the upper right quadrant of frames 1-40 which looks like a matte overlay, a fuzzy indistinct area to the right of the building with the narrow upright windows. (Lee says it looks like the retaining wall and it does): http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z1.jpg Looking at Muchmore, I found the large black block, which is seen in Zapruder inside this strangely fuzzy area. In Muchmore it is a black "marquis" shaped balcony. About 22 seconds into the MUCHMORE film (link provided at the top of this post) a very clear RIFLE is seen. It is pointed downrange and hangs over the portico between the two buildings. This is a very clear, naked eye, unmistakeable film image of a rifle ... Go to Muchmore, pause at 22 seconds and look at the second story above the black connecting portico. You will see it in the area "fuzzed" in the Zapruder film. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Here is the Muchmore frame in question... What building is this? Edited February 24, 2005 by Greg Wagner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian A. Kerr Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 (edited) http://www.jfkjr.com/archives/If you are familiar with Lee Forman's seminar thread on the Zapruder, you know there is an anomaly in the upper right quadrant of frames 1-40 which looks like a matte overlay, a fuzzy indistinct area to the right of the building with the narrow upright windows. (Lee says it looks like the retaining wall and it does): http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/z1.jpg Looking at Muchmore, I found the large black block, which is seen in Zapruder inside this strangely fuzzy area. In Muchmore it is a black "marquis" shaped balcony. About 22 seconds into the MUCHMORE film (link provided at the top of this post) a very clear RIFLE is seen. It is pointed downrange and hangs over the portico between the two buildings. This is a very clear, naked eye, unmistakeable film image of a rifle ... Go to Muchmore, pause at 22 seconds and look at the second story above the black connecting portico. You will see it in the area "fuzzed" in the Zapruder film. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Shanet, Is this the area you mean ? Image one is from Mutchmore, Image 2 is from Hughes. Edited February 24, 2005 by Ian A. Kerr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian A. Kerr Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 (edited) duplicate post deleted Edited February 24, 2005 by Ian A. Kerr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanet Clark Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 It could be the horizontal grouting trough in the masonry wall, thanks for the clear pictures. I could not see the parallel line above the "rifle" when I viewed the pixilated MUCHMORE film... I still wonder why this area is "Fuzzed" in Zapruder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Wagner Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 It could be the horizontal grouting trough in the masonry wall, thanks for the clear pictures. I could not see the parallel line above the "rifle" when I viewed the pixilated MUCHMORE film... I still wonder why this area is "Fuzzed" in Zapruder? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I couldn't see it (possibile horizontal trough in adjacent bldg) in my version of MM either. Ian's image appears to be from a clearer, wider angle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanet Clark Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 I guess it is more of a "what has he been smoking" gun... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Forman Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 I guess it is more of a "what has he been smoking" gun... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Shanet - here's what I believe may be a machine gun - enhanced Muchmore frame. Held in place on the stairs at Elm as a failsafe - what say ye? In all honesty, aside from an unpublishable [?] source that said a man had a smg in a briefcase that day, I'm starting to let the doubts sink in again concerning the roles of some of those guys on the stairs. They couldn't all be cameramen. I read someplace that Muchmore was being 'restored.' What a laugh. If you processed that film correctly, you'd see some VERY interesting things. It's a challenge working with jpegs. Can you see anything else of interest in this area? 2 men laying prone for example? Worth noting are a number of the aftermath photos of this area [stairs], and the Bell film. It's just Red Shirt Operative and Emmett Hudson sitting on the steps, right? Wrong! - lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian A. Kerr Posted February 24, 2005 Share Posted February 24, 2005 (edited) It could be the horizontal grouting trough in the masonry wall, I still wonder why this area is "Fuzzed" in Zapruder? Shanet, IMO, what is being referred to as a fuzzy or matted area is more likely a function of the limitations re: the dynamic contrasting range of Z's camera ( or the film used ). There may also be issues introduced in the reproduction process, eg. pixelation. There are several versions of the Z film available. As an example, even the ones on Groden's Assassination films release differ in terms of what can be seen there. I learned a lesson the hard way one time when I thought I saw something in my version of the Weigman film ( and posted extensively on it ) that didn't exist in a better copy . Thankfully, Gary Mack took the time to set me straight - I've tried to be careful since then, ever mindful that I'm not working with original ( first generation, etc ) source material. Bill Miller has also been a great resource, both in terms of material and advice. He insists on using the best resources available and uses all available photographic sources to recheck the work eg.) If the image exists in one source then see if it also exists in another, then compare. It also helps to remain objective. I'm not talking down to anyone here, just offering some advice from a guy who's had his photographic interpreting head kicked in ( figuratively, of course ) publicly several times - and, I still have bumps to prove it ... Ian Edited February 24, 2005 by Ian A. Kerr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanet Clark Posted February 24, 2005 Author Share Posted February 24, 2005 Ian I definitely "jumped the gun" when I saw that black "barrel" in the area I was investigating. Hopefully you and I will be somewhere in the middle between Gary Mack and certain analysts -- one is far too conventional, and others "see" things... However, because the FUZZ area is a quadrant with sharply drawn edges, I don't think this is a camera problem, but a handling issue.... I am still worried about the Kodak reference letters coming and going in the left sprocket margin.... LEE - Where exactly is the "smg" ? The overlays you presented are not very clear in relation to each other.... The enhancement most resembled a real estate "t" shaped sign... Can anyone name the building with the narrow vertical windows? The black connecting portico roof is still a suspect area. I believe it is just south of the County Records Building, or is it the CRB? Definitely, the cross-comparison of good photos is a powerful tool..... Thanks for participating in that little investigation... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanet Clark Posted February 26, 2005 Author Share Posted February 26, 2005 The Fuzzy area in the first forty frames of ZAPRUDER covers the connecting two story portico between County Records Building and the Jail. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Forman Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 The Fuzzy area in the first forty frames of ZAPRUDER coversthe connecting two story portico between County Records Building and the Jail. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, it looks like them--that's when they turned in from Elm Street. Is that it? I'm trying to visualize it. This is taking it from the opposite side of me, is it, where I would have been taking it, because I see this structure--I have been around there and--or these this couldn't be here--where did they get this in there--how did they get this in there, if I was taking the pictures where did they get this in there? That shouldn't be there.Mr. LIEBELER - This is the thing back up behind on Dealy Plaza, I think, isn't it? Yes, it is Mr. Liebeler. It's known as 'the retaining wall' to some. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanet Clark Posted February 26, 2005 Author Share Posted February 26, 2005 That is a mind bender. I would have to agree with Lee on this specific thing: the FUZZY AREA in the upper right quadrant of the first forty or so frames of Zapruder (while they mask the connecting portico of the County Records and the Jail) does resemble the retaining wall and bushes 180 degrees away.... The black oblong really doesn't match the dark portico connecting the buildings, and the black rectangle within the FUZZY AREA is too far left, or to the northwest... This material is as suspiciously forged as the headwound frames.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Speer Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 (edited) While I'm not one to believe the Zapruder film was doctored, I do believe there's a chance there was a shooter in the County Records Building. I became even more suspicious this past November in Dallas, after realizing that the County Records Building is L-shaped and lies both North and East of the jail. Consequently, a shooter over-looking Elm Street would be able to quietly exit onto Main Street a half a block from Houston, with no one the wiser. Edited February 26, 2005 by Pat Speer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian A. Kerr Posted February 26, 2005 Share Posted February 26, 2005 (edited) The Fuzzy area in the first forty frames of ZAPRUDER coversthe connecting two story portico between County Records Building and the Jail. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Mr. ZAPRUDER - Well, it looks like them--that's when they turned in from Elm Street. Is that it? I'm trying to visualize it. This is taking it from the opposite side of me, is it, where I would have been taking it, because I see this structure--I have been around there and--or these this couldn't be here--where did they get this in there--how did they get this in there, if I was taking the pictures where did they get this in there? That shouldn't be there.Mr. LIEBELER - This is the thing back up behind on Dealy Plaza, I think, isn't it? Yes, it is Mr. Liebeler. It's known as 'the retaining wall' to some. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> For anyone interested, here's a link to the entire passage in Zapruder's testimony referenced above http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/..._Vol7_0291a.htm . Liebeler and Zapruder were discussing what Zapruder saw in Ex.885 ( frame 185-186 ) and from the Hudson Exhibit No.1 . Below is an image of Ex.885 frame 185 . Draw your own conclusions... regards, Ian Edited February 26, 2005 by Ian A. Kerr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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