Dust not smoke on knoll

[John Geraghty]

Hello all,

I have been reading william peppers excellent book 'an act of state' about his prosecutions in the assassination of MLK.

King was shot from a bush at the back of jims grill, witnesses say they saw smoke from the bush area, this is fact is believed to be sonic dust from the heavy vegetation in the immediate area.

Could this be the explanation for the appearance of smoke from the grassy knoll in the JFK case?

john

[Larry Hancock]

John, it seems unlikely since it had showered in the early morning

before the motorcade; indeed Sam Holland speaks of observing

footprints in the wet dirt behind the fence and mud on the bumper of

the adjacent car as if the person had stood up on it.

Seems like unlikely conditions for dust to be an explanation?

[Paul Kerrigan]

John,  it seems unlikely since it had showered in the early morning

before the motorcade;  indeed Sam Holland speaks of observing

footprints in the wet dirt behind the fence and mud on the bumper of

the adjacent car as if the person had stood up on it.

Seems like unlikely conditions for dust to be an explanation?

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And didn't Holland find cigarette butts as well? Lee Bowers said that he saw two men behind the fence and that they were there at the time of the shooting.

[Bill Cheslock]

Paul:

I believe the observations of Lee Bowers coincide with

what Ed Hoffman said about men behind the picket fence.

As for the cigarette butts, wouldn't DNA testing be a

dream come true if any of those butts were saved as evidence?

Bill C

[John Geraghty]

indeed,

I forgot to take the weather into account.

I have heard it said that no rifles used in 63 would have generated smoke,

can anyone rebut this?

john

[Guest Stephen Turner]

John.

From W/C, JFK Exhibit F-110

Mr Edgar," Do rifles or handguns emit smoke that is discernable to

the human eye."

Mr Lutz," Yes Sir they do."

Mr Edgar,"Does this particular rifle emit smoke."

Mr Bates,"It was possible to observe some smoke emitting from the

muzzle during test firing."

[Richard J. Smith]

I have heard it said that no rifles used in 63 would have generated smoke,

can anyone rebut this?

john

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John,

In 1970 at Kent State University, a student shot film of the shooting of students by National Guardsmen. The film was taken from across the street, out the window of a dorm room. You can plainly see clouds of smoke from the Guards' position as they fired on the crowd. I was doubtful myself that the cloud of smoke on the Grassy Knoll could be generated by a rifle shot until I saw the Kent State film.

RJS

[Ryan Crowe]

Most of the time smoke is caused by oil left in the barrel of a rifle after one cleans it, I have seen many times shooters forget to run a dry patch before shooting.

Also there are powders that are very "dirty". Just the other day I was shooting one of my 1911's and was shooting wad cutters that a buddy had worked up for me for comp shooting, these are light loads at about 190 grains compared to the norm 230 grain, After the first shot it looked like I was shooting black powder LOL Did I get some strange looks from fellow shooters. ......Man that stuff was dirty, powder was AA5, weight was 6.6, grain 190 with magma wad cutters, had to run a bore snake through it every 40 rounds or so, but it was very accurate ammo

[Robin Unger]

Hello all,

I have been reading william peppers excellent book 'an act of state' about his prosecutions in the assassination of MLK.

King was shot from a bush at the back of jims grill, witnesses say they saw smoke from the bush area, this is fact is believed to be sonic dust from the heavy vegetation in the immediate area.

Could this be the explanation for the appearance of smoke from the grassy knoll in the JFK case?

john

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Edited March 28, 2005 by Robin Unger