Jean Souetre-Michael Mertz

[Tim Gratz]

I do not recall that there has been a separate thread on this man, a reported French assassin, who was deported from Dallas a few days after the assassination. He may be of sufficient significance to deserve a thread of his own.

There is interesting information on him in the book "Triangle of Death". I will post it tonight. In the interim, please post your comments on his possible involvement in the assassination.

[John Simkin]

I do not recall that there has been a separate thread on this man, a reported French assassin, who was deported from Dallas a few days after the assassination. He may be of sufficient significance to deserve a thread of his own.

Larry Hancock provided some very interesting details on this case during his seminar in Canterbury on Sunday. Hopefully he will post this information when he gets back to his computer.

[Tim Gratz]

I'm sure he will and I very much look forward to it.

It is quite amazing how one murder, even one of such importance, can raise so many mysteries!

[Ron Ecker]

Bear in mind that the conspirators seemed to have various potential patsies lined up, for use as appropriate. Castro, Oswald as lone nut, anti-Castro Cubans, Jack Lawrence, take your pick. It's entirely possible that there was a French assassin or two on the patsy list, and that the document about Soutre's deportation was a fabrication to make him a suspect. This may not seem likely, since it leaves unexplained the obvious question of why he was deported and not detained for investigation. But then the government hasn't bothered to explain that anyway, one reason possibly being that the story was made up. Anyway I look forward to what Larry has to say.

Ron

[Justin Martell]

Bear in mind that the conspirators seemed to have various potential patsies lined up, for use as appropriate. Castro, Oswald as lone nut, anti-Castro Cubans, Jack Lawrence, take your pick. It's entirely possible that there was a French assassin or two on the patsy list, and that the document about Soutre's deportation was a fabrication to make him a suspect. This may not seem likely, since it leaves unexplained the obvious question of why he was deported and not detained for investigation. But then the government hasn't bothered to explain that anyway, one reason possibly being that the story was made up. Anyway I look forward to what Larry has to say.

Ron

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I have always been curious about Jack Lawrence. I have heard of him as a possible shooter and possible patsy. I know of his suspicious activities at the dealership and such. I am curious why patsy and not shooter. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks, Justin

[James Richards]

Bear in mind that the conspirators seemed to have various potential patsies lined up, for use as appropriate. Castro, Oswald as lone nut, anti-Castro Cubans, Jack Lawrence, take your pick. It's entirely possible that there was a French assassin or two on the patsy list, and that the document about Soutre's deportation was a fabrication to make him a suspect. This may not seem likely, since it leaves unexplained the obvious question of why he was deported and not detained for investigation. But then the government hasn't bothered to explain that anyway, one reason possibly being that the story was made up. Anyway I look forward to what Larry has to say.

Ron

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Ron,

I guess there is the possibility that Souetre was in Dallas for another reason. He might have been there to meet with General Walker. De Gaulle's visit to Latin America was coming up and Souetre may have been wanting to utilize Walker's network of contacts in that part of the world for another assassination attempt.

I believe Souetre was involved in the one earlier in Europe in which De Gaulle escaped through a hail of bullets.

James

[Ron Ecker]

I have always been curious about Jack Lawrence.  I have heard of him as a possible shooter and possible patsy.  I know of his suspicious activities at the dealership and such.  I am curious why patsy and not shooter.  Any info would be appreciated.  Thanks,  Justin

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Justin,

I haven't looked too closely at Lawrence but someone needs to. I don't know how much info is available. But it strikes me that his behavior made no sense unless someone was setting him up as a potential patsy. He borrows a car, leaves it at the crime scene, and then runs away in an obvious panic. I think that when the shooting occurred Lawrence may have realized he had been had (by whoever told him to leave that car on the knoll). So he runs away and throws up. I would too.

If Lawrence was actually a shooter, as many have supposed, then what was the business with the car? It doesn't make any sense. If he was a patsy, the car still didn't make any sense but it didn't have to, just like Oswald's Mannlicher Carcano as the murder weapon didn't make any sense but didn't have to. All that mattered was that it be incriminating.

Ron

[Robert Charles-Dunne]

I do not recall that there has been a separate thread on this man, a reported French assassin, who was deported from Dallas a few days after the assassination. He may be of sufficient significance to deserve a thread of his own.

There is interesting information on him in the book "Triangle of Death".  I will post it tonight. 

Yes, please do.  And while you're at it, perhaps you could offer comments on something else.  Every time in the past six months that you've posted your well-worn thoughts on how incriminating it would be for a Cuban intelligence operative to be in Dallas that day [but without the slightest evidence, we note], I've drawn the parallel to OAS "assassin" Jean Rene Souetre, who was purportedly also in Dallas, and was apparently deported in short order: the day of the assassination, not two days later.  [seems an interesting way to exfiltrate somebody after an assassination, don't you think?]  Each time I've drawn this analogy, you've chosen to ignore it.  Now that you've posted a thread on Souetre, perhaps you'd be kind enough to explain how this man - alleged assassin - does not implicate the French OAS?

Parenthetically, I should also mention that among the OAS men "exiled" by deGaulle, several seem to have found new employment, providing military training to US-based Cuban exiles for the Central Intelligence Agency.  [Last I heard, Souetre was a casino employee, in Spain, as I recall.]

In the interim, please post your comments on his possible involvement in the assassination.

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[Ron Ecker]

In a thread over a year ago on Lancer, William Reymond, who wrote a book on the Souetre-Mertz-Roux story that is not available in English, said that Souetre was not in Dallas in November 1963, but had been there earlier that year. But he said that Michel Roux was in Fort Worth and Michel Mertz was in Dallas. I asked him why they were there, but I don't think he answered. (The thread no longer exists.)

Ron

[Pat Speer]

Well, Robert, are you 100% positive Souetre wasn't working for Castro, through Trafficante? After all, the Corsicans were on the other end of that triangle or Hexagon whatever where East Asian dope was brought in through Marseille and Cuba(???) (I decided to fill in for Tim in his absence.)

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[Shanet Clark]

Well, Robert, are you 100% positive Souetre wasn't working for Castro, through Trafficante?  After all, the Corsicans were on the other end of that triangle or Hexagon whatever where East Asian dope was brought in through Marseille and Cuba(???) (I decided to fill in for Tim in his absence.)

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The DeGaulle 1962 assassination attempt directly impacts the dallas murder.

1) DeGaulles security ACCELERATED and saved the President of France's life.

Any serious attempt after that would try to slow and/or halt the limousine.

This points to GREER, EMORY and DILLON.

2) The relationship of OAS paramilitary and US indochinese paramilitary points to

a FRENCH assassin.......they had similar goals in Vietnam, and were fascist right wing militarists.........

[Tim Gratz]

Unfortunately I don't have my copy of "Triangle of Death" with me but the book reaches the same conclusion that Ron points out, that it was not Soutre in Dallas but rather a man named Michael Mertz, who was an enemy of Soutre but sometimes used his name. (An early example of the now prevalent crime of "identity theft".) I believe an investigator for the authors of "Triangle of Death" interviewed Soutre.

Mertz was clearly connected to the Corsican mob, from which Trafficante was importing drugs into the United States.

More later.

Ron is great in providing "institutional memory" to the Willaim Reymond thread. Thanks, Ron!

And thanks, Pat as well, for a point well-taken. To further respond to Robert's point, the fact that I think there was Cuban involvement in the assassination does not mean that everything I post has to point in that direction. Unlike some members of this Forum, I want to follow ALL the evidence, not just the evidence that supports the scenario I consider the most likely.

Does anyone have any further information on the Dallas dentist named Alderson?

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[Steve Thomas]

James,

I guess there is the possibility that Souetre was in Dallas for another reason. He might have been there to meet with General Walker. De Gaulle's visit to Latin America was coming up and Souetre may have been wanting to utilize Walker's network of contacts in that part of the world for another assassination attempt.

For what it's worth, here is a 1998 posting from someone named Stephane Risset

in the alt.conspiracy.jfk newsgroup. English is obviously not this person's native tongue.

From: Stéphane RISSET (risset.@club-internet.fr)

Subject: Re: Were Souetre & Sarti on FBI List?

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Newsgroups: alt.conspiracy.jfk

Date: 1998/05/09

vern

I'm not familiar of twyman's book,I'm going to find it, if you give me the reference and dates. I don't now the circonstance of the Sarti's death, but the writer Steven Rivele, I think now litlle more about Sarti.

regarding Merzt's matter,is very difficult to have somes details, I have somes official record of the French army and from the D.S.T ( direction de la surete du territoire ) (counter-intelligence service).

3 years ago I try to see Mezrt, in his castle, but without a single sucess, after his death ( long suffer diceasse) I phone to his son, he told me that he would't not make any statement.

May be you already now Merzt was married to the girl of the mob Canadian Martel after the war.

despite this fact he was the protoge of alexsandro Sanguinnetti ( high

ranking of the french governement under De Gaulle.).

I met one reseacher, who work on O.A.S files. I toll me something

interesting but wihtout any proof.

yes, Merzt was in Dallas on the day of the assassination, for one

counter-operation regarding the attempt on De Gaulle life, when he official visit in Mexico city, made by the O.A.S.

but we have no official documents for that version.

if you have some specifikly question, may be i can help you

stephane.

Steve Thomas

[John Geraghty]

|f you do a search on the forum I think you should find two email addresses for jack lawrence along with an address, I cant remember who posted them, it could have been on lancer.

John

[James Richards]

Thanks, Steve. Interesting post indeed.

And John, that was me who posted Jack Lawrence's email addresses but apparently they are not working anymore. Anyone who wants to do research on Lawrence can find him at The Abney Street Church of God in West Virginia where he works as a Pastor.

I have his phone number so if anyone is interested in contacting him, email me privately and I will pass it on.

From my point of view, my attempts at communication has revealed that Lawrence is a difficult and objectionable man. This is purely my opinion.

James