Joan Mellen: A Farewell to Justice

[Greg Burnham]

The one thing they all agreed upon, however, was that Cuba had to be taken back from the Communists to re-join the Free World -- at any cost. This is what got David Morales involved in the JBS/Minuteman underground plot to murder JFK.

Then why is Cuba still Communist to this day?

If it was thought that JFK was "standing in the way" of the US forcing Cuba back into the fold, why was Cuba spared once JFK was removed?

Don't say it's because WWIII was feared.

The very act of killing JFK could have potentially sparked a nuclear exchange, particularly since the patsy was framed as a Castro supporter.

JFK appears to have been more likely to invade Cuba than ANY of his successors have since been...else they would have done it. Hell, they even HAD AN EXCUSE for doing it. I can just see the headlines now:

Castro's Boy Killed Kennedy: US Invades Cuba

Of course, JFK did not intend to invade Cuba and neither did those who killed him...else they would have done exactly that.

[Paul Trejo]

The one thing they all agreed upon, however, was that Cuba had to be taken back from the Communists to re-join the Free World -- at any cost. This is what got David Morales involved in the JBS/Minuteman underground plot to murder JFK.

Then why is Cuba still Communist to this day?

If it was thought that JFK was "standing in the way" of the US forcing Cuba back into the fold, why was Cuba spared once JFK was removed?

Don't say it's because WWIII was feared.

The very act of killing JFK could have potentially sparked a nuclear exchange, particularly since the patsy was framed as a Castro supporter.

JFK appears to have been more likely to invade Cuba than ANY of his successors have since been...else they would have done it. Hell, they even HAD AN EXCUSE for doing it. I can just see the headlines now:

Castro's Boy Killed Kennedy: US Invades Cuba

Of course, JFK did not intend to invade Cuba and neither did those who killed him...else they would have done exactly that.

Greg, you challenge me to explain why Cuba is still Communist today, given my theory that the main goal of the JFK murderers was taking back Cuba. My answer has three parts:

(1) The people in the Team that killed JFK weren't in high positions of power; instead, they were rogues and rightist radicals who wanted to manipulate the US Government into acting on their goal of a Free Cuba;

(2) The people in power in Washington DC quickly figured out who REALLY murdered JFK, and quickly figured out what their gambit was, and quickly came up with a way to FOIL their goals. The sun had not even set on 11/22/1963 when J. Edgar Hoover decided on the official US Government response -- Lee Harvey Oswald was a LONE NUT. Not a Communist, but a LONE NUT. See the strategy?

(3) LBJ and Hoover decided against telling the TRUTH to the American public, because they foresaw a Civil War as the liberals in the USA (the majority) would seek revenge against heavily armed rightist radicals in the JBS/Minutemen and various Cuban Exile paramilitary groups. A Civil War in the middle of the Cold War could easily have led to a bigger mess, so the people in power in Washington DC decided to COVER-UP the TRUTH about the JFK murder. (When LBJ said that the JFK secrets were a matter of National Security, he was dead serious.)

In my theory, Greg, the Kill Team was completely separate from the Cover-up Team, which directly opposed them. The Right-wing does not speak for all of America, but they fool themselves into believing that they speak for us all. They wanted Cuba back, according to the Monroe Doctrine. They framed Lee Harvey Oswald as a Communist in order to make it appear that the Communists killed JFK -- to fool not only the American People, but also to fool our leaders in Washington DC.

The murderers of JFK were not half as smart as they thought they were. Our leaders in Washington DC figured out their stupid little plan within one day. But the TRUTH could never be told to the American People during the Cold War, because of the danger of Civil War and where that might lead.

Therefore, Hoover, the FBI, LBJ, Earl Warren, Allen Dulles and the whole Warren Commission promoted the broken-down theory of the Lone Nut killer, Lee Harvey Oswald, in order to calm the American People down. No other reason.

In my opinion, the murderers of JFK were punished in other ways. One of those ways was to just change the subject onto Vietnam, and let Cuba remain Communist -- because after all, it presented no real geo-political threat (after the Cuban Missile Crisis was over), and its economic contribution has always been tiny.

So, Greg, the reason that Cuba remains Communist today is because the USA stopped caring about that tiny economy. (No doubt when Fidel and Raoul Castro finally die of natural causes, Cuba will go the way of China after Mao died, i.e. their government will publicly praise their dead leader, but privately make a thousand deals with the West to get an infusion of capital and investment opportunities going inside their so-called socialist paradise.)

The truth is, Greg, that VERY FEW really believed that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Communist! The official US Government position was that Oswald was a LONE NUT. This means, clearly, that the Communist Conspiracy version of the JFK murder (which the killers tried to promote) was NEVER taken seriously by Washington DC -- and never taken seriously by the American People, either.

In reality, the US Government always knew that Lee Harvey Oswald wasn't a Lone Nut, just as they always knew he wasn't a Communist. The only question today is whether the American People are ready to finally hear the Truth. I think we are.

My theory gives a plausible identification for the real murderers of JFK, because Washington DC didn't believe their Communist Conspiracy claptrap. The people who covered up the JFK murder actually FOILED the people who murdered JFK, precisely by removing Cuba from the table.

This was done with the LONE NUT theory.

So, to answer your question, Greg -- the people who killed JFK didn't invade Cuba because they couldn't -- THEY HAD NO POWER. The JBS/Minutemen/Cuban Exile morons who killed JFK ran and hid for 50 years, hiding in the shadows like beaten dogs, like the cowards they really were, because they were powerless..

Their only hope was to convince the American People and Washington DC that Lee Harvey Oswald was really a Communist. But they failed. The people in POWER decided to foil their goals by promoting the LONE NUT theory -- as full of holes as that was -- and sticking to it.

I think that after fifty years, now, this should be obvious.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

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Edited August 17, 2014 by Paul Trejo

[Greg Burnham]

The only thing obvious is the circularity of your argument.

[Paul Trejo]

The only thing obvious is the circularity of your argument.

Greg, there's nothing circular about my argument.

You asked why Cuba is still Communist today, if the killers of JFK wanted to recapture Cuba first and foremost.

My answer was that the killers of JFK were NOT ranking members of the US military or any branch of the the US government.

It's a simple and concise reply, and completely answers your question.

You refuse to accept that answer -- but there's nothing circular about it. It's very straight forward.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited August 17, 2014 by Paul Trejo

[Greg Burnham]

Let me try this a different way.

How can "powerless" (your words) conspirators accomplish the following:

1) choose or change the motorcade route?

2) locate, create a legend for, and set up the perfect fall guy (many weeks, months, years) in advance of the event?

3) obtain (at least) 3 spent 6.5 mm cartridge shells from a batch of 400,000 ordered for the CIA (through the USMC for cover purposes) and plant them in the sniper's nest?

4) persuade the Secret Service to relax their protocol, including:

not ride on the SS-100-X running boards?

not accelerate the limousine?

not react to gunfire?

fatally contaminate the crime scene (the SS-100-X) by washing away forensic evidence?

illegally remove the best evidence, i.e., the body, from the proper jurisdiction?

mishandle or otherwise break the chain of custody of key pieces of evidence?

destroy their own records of the assassination?

5) stand down the 112th Military Intelligence Group out Fort Sam Houston from their routine duty of supplementing the Secret Service in Dallas?

6) perfectly execute a military style ambush utilizing multiple gunmen placed in locations creating a triangulated crossfire insuring successful target hits from several directions?

7) recruit key members of the Dallas Police Department, presumably those in positions of authority, to insure that the motor escort outriders were not in protective formation around the client vehicle?

8) coordinate the assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald, including ordering DPD personnel to allow Ruby to gain access to the prisoner / suspect prior to transfer to the more secure County Jail?

9) completely screw up the autopsy, including altering the x-rays and photographs?

10) persuade the usurper President, LBJ, to appoint the Warren Commission to cover-up the crime?

11) control the news media by making them virtually go to sleep in the aftermath?

No, Paul. Those who Sponsored the killing of JFK were very powerful, indeed.

Edited August 18, 2014 by Greg Burnham

[Paul Trejo]

Let me try this a different way.

How can "powerless" (your words) conspirators accomplish the following:

1) choose or change the motorcade route?

2) locate, create a legend for, and set up the perfect fall guy (many weeks, months, years) in advance of the event?

3) obtain (at least) 3 spent 6.5 mm cartridge shells from a batch of 400,000 ordered for the CIA (through the USMC for cover purposes) and plant them in the sniper's nest?

4) persuade the Secret Service to relax their protocol, including:

not ride on the SS-100-X running boards?

not accelerate the limousine?

not react to gunfire?

fatally contaminate the crime scene (the SS-100-X) by washing away forensic evidence?

illegally remove the best evidence, i.e., the body, from the proper jurisdiction?

mishandle or otherwise break the chain of custody of key pieces of evidence?

destroy their own records of the assassination?

5) stand down the 112th Military Intelligence Group out Fort Sam Houston from their routine duty of supplementing the Secret Service in Dallas?

6) perfectly execute a military style ambush utilizing multiple gunmen placed in locations creating a triangulated crossfire insuring successful target hits from several directions?

7) recruit key members of the Dallas Police Department, presumably those in positions of authority, to insure that the motor escort outriders were not in protective formation around the client vehicle?

8) coordinate the assassination of Lee Harvey Oswald, including ordering DPD personnel to allow Ruby to gain access to the prisoner / suspect prior to transfer to the more secure County Jail?

9) completely screw up the autopsy, including altering the x-rays and photographs?

10) persuade the usurper President, LBJ, to appoint the Warren Commission to cover-up the crime?

11) control the news media by making them virtually go to sleep in the aftermath?

No, Paul. Those who Sponsored the killing of JFK were very powerful, indeed.

Well, Greg, the flaw in your argument is that you confuse the KILL Team with the COVER-UP Team.

They have two different sets of capabilities. I will outline that below. The Kill Team at best had expertise over the local level of town administration, and some subordinate governmental departments.

Let's take your points by the numbers:

(1) General Walker and his right-wing friends in Dallas, with "friends of Walker" inside the DPD and John Birch Socity members inside the local government, was able to orchestrate violent attacks on Adlai Stevenson only one month before JFK entered Dallas -- AND HE GOT AWAY WITH IT. I have no doubt, therefore, that Walker's people could change the Dallas motorcade route. No problem.

That still doesn't give him US Military Power.

(2) General Walker, who claimed to the end of his life that he knew Lee Harvey Oswald was his shooter only four days after the 10 April 1963 shooting in Dallas, was completely capable of calling his JBS and Minutemen friends in Louisiana to design a strategy to SHEEP-DIP Lee Harvey Oswald in revenge. Walker was capable of it, and was motivated to do it. Jim Garrison already proved that the Louisiana players were Guy Banister, David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, Jack S. Martin, Fred Crisman, Thomas Edward Beckham.

Not one of these sheep-dippers had US Military Power.

(3) General Walker had a personal correspondence with Gerry Patrick Hemming, as shown in his personal papers. Hemming confessed to A.J. Weberman that he personally called Lee Harvey Oswald on 11/21/1963 to offer him double the market price for his Mannlicher-Carcano piece of junk if Oswald would only bring it to work on Friday and leave it between some boxes on the 6th floor for an underground friend to find there. We have evidence that Oswald did that. Now, from 8AM in the morning until 1 PM that afternoon is PLENTY of time for conspirators to frame the weapon and ammunition. So, again, General Walker was completely capable of doing this.

And Walker had no US Military Power at all. NONE.

(4) As for the Secret Service laxities, that could be managed within a secret society of John Birch Society or other rightist radicals with ties to the Secret Service. Only one Secret Service Agent needed to be part of the conspiracy to make it work, as long as he held the trust of the other members of the Secret Service.

As for the acceleration of the limo, we must remember that the JFK limo was FOLLOWING another limo, and could not speed up until the lead limo sped up -- and Jesse Curry was DRIVING the lead limo. So, that could easily be a LOCAL decision.

As for the washing of the car -- the Secret Service takes Orders -- it does not give Orders. Those officials who gave the ORDERS to wash the limo, remove the body to Washington, and destroy Secret Service records, however -- and this is the key point -- were not acting to KILL JFK but to COVER-UP the true identity of the murderers of JFK.

To separate the KILL Team from the COVER-UP Team is the strategy that will eventually crack this case wide open.

(5) As for the complex problem of standing down the 112th Military Intelligence Group at Fort Sam Houston from their routine duty of supplementing the Secret Service in Dallas -- I have argued against Larry Hancock that General Edward Lansdale was responsible for that -- and I cited Fletcher Prouty to confirm my view. Yet Larry Hancock says that this fact might be misunderstood by critics of Lansdale.

I was once willing to name Edward Lansdale as our highest ranking Military officer who was involved in the JFK murder, but Larry Hancock convinced me to suspend judgment until more data is available. (For example, it might turn out that CIA rogues *impersonated* Edward Lansdale, just as they *impersonated* Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico City.)

If I suspend judgment on the act of standing down the 112th MIG, then I have NOBODY in the US Military to blame for this.

(6) As for the perfect paramilitary ambush on JFK, that is easily explained by identifying CIA rogues. In particular, CIA Agent David Morales informally confessed to the JFK murder -- and Morales was an expert in assassination. So, that part, we may all agree (and Larry Hancock also agrees) can be ascribed to David Morales.

Yet David Morales was a mid-level CIA Agent -- and as such had no US Military Power -- although he did have access to Cuban Exile assets for secretly raiding Cuba, and very likely used those resources. Those were NOT official US Military resources, as painfully proved at the Bay of Pigs.

(7) General Edwin Walker was a recognized leader of the right-wing in Dallas, and many DPD officers were regular members of various right-wing groups, such as the John Birch Society, the Minutemen, the NSRP, the Citizen's Councils and so on. We have William Turner's books as good evidence for this. Again, General Walker proved he had control over the DPD when he got away scot free after his attacks on Adlai Stevenson in late October 1963.

Again, General Walker had no US Military Power.

(8) General Edwin Walker was completely capable of covert operations, being a Veteran of both WW2 and the Korean War. It would be very easy, in fact, for somebody with such a military background to coordinate a local assassination through a weasel like Jack Ruby.

Yet as history shows, Edwin Walker RESIGNED from the US Army, and even spurned his Pension in doing so. Therefore, he had no further US Military connections, and no US Military Power whatsoever.

(9) As for screwing up the Autopsy, that was done IN ORDER TO BLAME LEE HARVEY OSWALD ALONE for the murder of JFK. So we can find the fingerprints of J. Edgar Hoover, then LBJ, who followed Hoover's lead, and also Allen Dulles and other highly placed people in the Warren Commission. The ballistics and autopsy data would have shown that JFK was killed by multiple rifles firing from multiple places, with multiple bullet types. Hoover said that Oswald as a LONE NUT. LBJ decided to put all his weight behind Hoover's direction. Therefore, all the autopsy X-rays and photographs had to be altered to fit a LONE NUT scenario. It wasn't easy. In fact, it was impossible, so that's why many records were destroyed or simply made Top Secret.

The alteration of the Medical evidence was done by the COVER-UP Team, and not by the KILL Team. These Teams had opposite goals -- the KILL Team wanted to blame the Communists. The COVER-UP Team wanted to blame Oswald ALONE.

(10) As for the COVER-UP of the crime, that was designed only AFTER JFK was murdered, by a completely SEPARATE Team. LBJ, Hoover, Dulles, Warren -- these people saw what had to be done in the interest of National Security. They did the right thing.

(11) Also, the control of the News Media to agree with the LONE-NUT theory of the JFK murder, instead of the Communist Conspiracy theory of the JFK murder, was not done by the KILL Team, but by the COVER-UP team.

So, no, Greg, those who sponsored the killing of JFK were only capable on a LOCAL level, and had absolutely NO POWER TO INVADE CUBA as they clearly wished.

We know they wished this because they kept pushing their stupid idea to the Press -- that Lee Harvey Oswald was a COMMUNIST and therefore it was the COMMUNISTS who killed JFK.

The people with REAL Power, namely LBJ, J. Edgar Hoover, Allen Dulles and the Warren Commission -- told the world how stupid that idea was, because they would stick to the story that Lee Harvey Oswald was just a LONE NUT.

The people who framed Lee Harvey Oswald and murdered JFK wanted to blame the Communists. But they had no US Military Power to back up their desires.

The people who gave us the LONE NUT theory and decision DID NOT WANT TO BLAME THE COMMUNISTS for something that the US right-wing clearly did. They had the US Military Power. Therefore, the USA would not invade Cuba. Therefore, Cuba remains Communist to this very day.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

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Edited August 19, 2014 by Paul Trejo

[Greg Burnham]

And now for your circularity:

If the killers had no power to invade Cuba--and they obviously knew that they did not--then why did they kill Kennedy? After all, they knew it would have no effect on their ultimate goal, invading Cuba...and it still has had no effect for 51 years. Indeed, it had the OPPOSITE effect.

[Paul Trejo]

And now for your circularity:

If the killers had no power to invade Cuba--and they obviously knew that they did not--then why did they kill Kennedy? After all, they knew it would have no effect on their ultimate goal, invading Cuba...and it still has had no effect for 51 years. Indeed, it had the OPPOSITE effect.

There's no circularity at all, Greg.

The JFK killers had no power to invade Cuba, and they knew it -- but they sincerely believed they had ONE CHANCE to convince the American People and the US Government to invade Cuba -- and that was by framing Lee Harvey Oswald as a Communist.

That's what Lee Harvey Oswald was doing in New Orleans during the Spring and Summer of 1963.

That's why Lee Harvey Oswald went to New Orleans ONLY DAYS after General Walker survived Oswald's shooting attack of 10 April 1963. Everything was set up at that time by two top ranking JBS/Minutemen, namely, General Walker and Guy Banister.

Jim Garrison -- for all his faults -- proved beyond any reasonable doubt that Guy Banister, David Ferrie, Clay Shaw, Jack S. Martin, Fred Crisman and Thomas Edward Beckley worked closely with Cuban Exiles Ed Butler and Carlos Bringuier to frame Lee Harvey Oswald as a Communist officer of the FPCC. Garrison proved that the FPCC in New Orleans was BOGUS. That alone was proof of the plot in New Orleans.

Jim Garrison failed to see the full role of Dallas and Ex-General Edwin Walker.

Bill Simpich -- despite his one error -- proved beyond any reasonable doubt that a rightist mole inside the CIA -- probably David Morales -- used CIA resources to *impersonate* Sylvia Duran and Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico City -- an impersonation which deliberately linked the name of Lee Harvey Oswald with the name of KGB Agent Valery Kostikov. (In proving a mole-hunt after this, SImpich also proved that the official CIA was ignorant of this rogue plot against JFK.) So, CIA *rogues* played along with the JBS\Minuteman plot to frame Lee Harvey Oswald as a Communist.

The murderers of JFK did EVERYTHING THEY COULD to frame Lee Harvey Oswald as a Communist -- when in reality Oswald was a loyal Marine who never really renounced his USA citizenship.

The killers of JFK gambled everything they had on this one trick -- if they could convince the American People and the US Government that Lee Harvey Oswald was a Communist, then they would have won, and we surely would have invaded Cuba.

But they lost. They gambled and they lost. The US Government figured out their stupid plot in less than ONE DAY.

The counter-gambit by J. Edgar Hoover was nothing less than genius -- he wouldn't play the Rightists against the Communists and stoop down to their level -- instead he just removed Lee Harvey Oswald from BOTH sides. Hoover came up with the doctrine that Lee Harvey Oswald was a LONE NUT. In doing that, Hoover spared the USA from Civil War.

If I'm right, then the survivors of Lee Harvey Oswald, namely, Marina, June and Rachel, deserve MEDALS for the sacrifices that their family made in preventing a disastrous breach of National Security, that could have been massively deadly.

There's nothing circular about my logic, Greg.

I do admit, however, that my theory is original and unique. In a half-century (to the best of my knowledge) nobody has come up with a solution quite like mine. I believe my theory is getting stronger every week.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited August 19, 2014 by Paul Trejo

[Greg Burnham]

Yikes!

I'm out.

[Paul Trejo]

Too bad Greg Burnham didn't come here to share his own views about the JFK assassination, but only to doubt my new view.

The flaw in all previous theories of the JFK assassination (including those by Joan Mellen, Jim Garrison, Mark Lane, Jim Marrs, Noel Twyman, Dick Russell, Robert Groden and John Newman) is that they all operate on the assumption that the Killers of JFK were the same people as those who Covered it up .

This gives rise to an illusion about a plot by the US Government to kill its own President.

My proposal, on the contrary, shows that the Kill Team and the Cover-up Team were in OPPOSITION to each other. The Kill Team portrayed Lee Harvey Oswald as a Communist, in order to inspire the American People to invade Cuba. The Cover-up Team portray Lee Harvey Oswald as a LONE NUT, in order to cancel the argument of the Kill Team.

With this division of data, we can finally make sense of many previously mysterious facts. This is a new theory -- yet it still covers the same material as the old theories; only better.

Best regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited August 19, 2014 by Paul Trejo

[Greg Burnham]

The Danger with Paul Trejo's Assertions

There is an abiding undercurrent flowing through Paul Trejo's hypotheses, namely, 1) that the US Government can be excused from complicity in the murder of the 35th President of the United States, John F. Kennedy and 2) that its hand in the ensuing, and now ongoing, cover-up of that crime was then--and is now--somehow justified.

In the first case, he argues that those who committed the murder were powerless in terms of military command, but were not powerless in terms of assassinating the most powerful man in the world, the President of the United States. In the second case, Paul Trejo further asserts that these conspirators--who he argues were powerless to invade Cuba, yet powerful enough to overcome the most highly trained, elite guard on the planet, the Secret Service--murdered the President, but were completely separate from the apparatus that covered-up the crime.

He further asserts that these "powerless" conspirators located a suitable patsy themselves, framed him as a Communist/Castro sympathizer, set him up to take the fall by creating a legend for him, and planted all of the incriminating evidence against him. Then these "powerless" conspirators pulled off the crime of the century in broad daylight by thoroughly defeating the protective measures that would have otherwise prevented such a monumental shift in power from occurring, including the measures taken by the Secret Service, the Dallas Police Department, the 112th Army Intelligence Group, the local FBI Field Office, to name the most obvious.

But elementary detective work reveals a few flaws in his tale.

When we look to profile the perpetrators, according to Paul Trejo's hypothesis, we find rabidly anti-communist, extreme right-wing fanatics. Based on this characterization, Paul Trejo asserts that it was their intention to force trick the US Government into invading Cuba in order to overthrow Castro and restore democracy. That was their alleged motive for murdering the 35th President of the United States. However, that is where Paul Trejo stops. He does not address means nor opportunity to commit the crime. He does not address the fact that it took a great deal of power, indeed, in order for these "powerless" conspirators to acquire the "means and opportunity" to actually pull off the mechanics (no pun intended) of assassination--practically speaking. This was no small feat. Yet he would have us believe that they accomplished such a thing through "secret common bonds" with other Birchers who happened to be in key positions to co-conspire. Paul Trejo fails to provide the names of those Birchers involved in the plot who were in those key positions. As for the names he does mention, i.e., General Walker, Paul Trejo fails to provide documentation and/or collateral evidence to support his assertions.

According to Paul Trejo, once these "powerless" conspirators had accomplished their mission they escaped the scene of the crime cleanly, nearly without a trace.

According to Paul Trejo, but using my words: The US Government was forced to close the case post haste else a civil war--or worse--may have ensued. Thus J Edgar Hoover, being the just and righteous defender of the Rule of Law, much to his chagrin, initiated the cover-up in order to save the nation from self-destructing. LBJ explained the situation to Warren et al and these honorable men decided that it wasn't worth putting Humpty Dumpty back together again.

The end.

[edit: changed word "force" to "trick"]

Edited August 19, 2014 by Greg Burnham

[Paul Trejo]

...When we look to profile the perpetrators, according to Paul Trejo's hypothesis, we find rabidly anti-communist, extreme right-wing fanatics. Based on this characterization, Paul Trejo asserts that it was their intention to force the US Government into invading Cuba in order to overthrow Castro and restore democracy...

You haven't really nailed my position yet, Greg.

First of all, Presidential assassins don't need to be more powerful than the US Government. We only need to look at John Wilkes Booth as proof positive.

Secondly, I never used the word, "force" to describe what the rightists did to try to convince the US Government to invade Cuba. I used the word "trick." You deliberately switched the words.

Nor did I stop there. I spoke about the means and the opportunity at length.

The means included the framing of the patsy, Lee Harvey Oswald, which was done almost exactly as described by Jim Garrison back in 1968 -- naming all the people he named. Garrison did great work when it came to Louisiana. It was with Dallas that Jim Garrison dropped the ball.

There were other means that I discuss, namely, the CIA rogues, like David Morales and Howard Hunt, who spun off their own plot to whack JFK using their low-level CIA assets like Frank Sturgis, Johnny Roselli, John Martino, Gerry Patrick Hemming, Loran Hall, Larry Howard and so forth.

One does not need to have US Governmental power to create a Conspiracy of paramilitary goons. That's what you're missing, Greg.

The CIA rogues provided the bulk of the organization and coordination -- it was their professional business. But they were ROGUES. This was basically PROVEN by Bill Simpich this year when he painstakingly demonstrated how the CIA high-command had no idea who was impersonating Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico City to try to align him with KGB Agent Valery Kostikov, and so that CIA started a mole-hunt.

Also, anybody who doubts that Americans have made Conspiracies is simply uninformed.

As for naming the Birchers involved, I actually name some -- Ex-General Edwin Walker for one, and Guy Banister for another. There are many more, of course. H.L. Hunt and Clint Murchison were also ranking members of the John Birch Society in Dallas -- but that's only the tip of the iceberg.

You're really asking for a full book Greg, and this is only an informal thread. Also, I'm only one guy. One the main reasons I'm here on the FORUM is to find like-minded folks to HELP ME GATHER INFOMRATION along these lines.

As for documentation on Walker, you probably missed the YEARS of documentation and links to his Personal Papers that I've posted over my years on the Forum. That's my principle reason for being here. So, you can be excused.

Your summation of my view is merely a joke, Greg. I do indeed excuse the CIA, LBJ, Hoover, the FBI and the Warren Commission from the MURDER of JFK, but not from the COVER-UP of that Murder.

And yes, I agree with LBJ that the Truth about the murder of JFK was a matter of National Security.

It's too bad that the JFK research community has devolved into closed minds who merely want to shake a finger at the CIA, the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover and LBJ. It's too sophomoric, and it doesn't take into account all the FACTS.

The evidence that JFK researchers use to condemn J. Edgar Hoover is even weaker than the evidence used to condemn Lee Harvey Oswald.

I fully agree that the LONE NUT theory is full of holes. It can only be justified by what it accomplished -- it prevented Civil War in the USA.

Now that we are a half-century past the murder of JFK, and now that the USSR has fallen, it is probably safe to review the true facts of the JFK murder -- and lay the blame where it really should have been laid in 1964, namely, at the feet of the Right-wing radicals who claimed that US Presidents were Communists.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

Edited August 19, 2014 by Paul Trejo

[Greg Burnham]

I changed the word "force" to the word "trick" in my original. I stand corrected. However, it only serves to underscore the absurdity of your position.

Indeed my summation describes a joke. A very bad joke.

[Paul Trejo]

But the joke is on you, Greg. You aren't forthcoming with your own theory, but it sort of shows, anyway.

You want to blame the US Government for the murder of JFK. But after 50 years, your argument still has insufficient EVIDENCE!

It's not like I always had my theory -- I also suspected Hoover, Dulles, the FBI, the CIA including Angleton, Helms, Phillips, Harvey, Joannides and Ted Shackley, at one time or other.

Actually -- if more evidence comes to the surface, I might also slip some of them back into the dark side.

But for now, all I can guarantee from the CIA in the JFK murder are Morales and Hunt -- and nobody else -- yet.

I suspected Hoover because I thought he was too quick to name Lee Harvey Oswald as the assassin. After years of study on the topic, without finding a smoking gun, I changed my tune. I doubt that I'll change again -- BUT MY MIND IS OPEN TO REAL EVIDENCE. I can only smirk at the sort of innuendo and rumor that passes for evidence among so many.

Hoover is off the hook now, IMHO, because the line of demarcation is the distinction between the LONE NUT and the COMMUNIST.

(1) Anybody who promoted the theory of Lee Harvey Oswald as a Communist agitator was PART OF THE MURDER CONSPIRACY.

(2) Anybody who promoted the theory of Lee Harvey Oswald as a Lone Nut was Part of the COVER-UP which was opposed to the Murder Conspiracy.

(3) Anybody who promoted the theory of a Right-wing Conspiracy in the first weeks of the JFK murder were 100% right -- but they were torn apart by the rip-tide of the COMMUNIST theory from below and the LONE NUT theory from above.

I'm still open to consider other people in the JFK murder plot, Greg. But not without HARD EVIDENCE. That's exactly what the JFK research community has been lacking for 50 years.

Bill Simpich's most recent findings (2014) tend to exonerate the CIA high-command. It is a revolution in the thinking of JFK research. It will revolutionize the future literature.

By taking the heat off of the CIA high-command, we now have more heat to apply to the Right-wing in the JFK murder.

That's the state of the art in 2014.

Sincerely,

--Paul Trejo

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Edited August 20, 2014 by Paul Trejo

[Ernie Lazar]

...When we look to profile the perpetrators, according to Paul Trejo's hypothesis, we find rabidly anti-communist, extreme right-wing fanatics. Based on this characterization, Paul Trejo asserts that it was their intention to force the US Government into invading Cuba in order to overthrow Castro and restore democracy...

You haven't really nailed my position yet, Greg.

First of all, Presidential assassins don't need to be more powerful than the US Government. We only need to look at John Wilkes Booth as proof positive.

Secondly, I never used the word, "force" to describe what the rightists did to try to convince the US Government to invade Cuba. I used the word "trick." You deliberately switched the words.

Nor did I stop there. I spoke about the means and the opportunity at length.

The means included the framing of the patsy, Lee Harvey Oswald, which was done almost exactly as described by Jim Garrison back in 1968 -- naming all the people he named. Garrison did great work when it came to Louisiana. It was with Dallas that Jim Garrison dropped the ball.

There were other means that I discuss, namely, the CIA rogues, like David Morales and Howard Hunt, who spun off their own plot to whack JFK using their low-level CIA assets like Frank Sturgis, Johnny Roselli, John Martino, Gerry Patrick Hemming, Loran Hall, Larry Howard and so forth.

One does not need to have US Governmental power to create a Conspiracy of paramilitary goons. That's what you're missing, Greg.

The CIA rogues provided the bulk of the organization and coordination -- it was their professional business. But they were ROGUES. This was basically PROVEN by Bill Simpich this year when he painstakingly demonstrated how the CIA high-command had no idea who was impersonating Lee Harvey Oswald in Mexico City to try to align him with KGB Agent Valery Kostikov, and so that CIA started a mole-hunt.

Also, anybody who doubts that Americans have made Conspiracies is simply uninformed.

As for naming the Birchers involved, I actually name some -- Ex-General Edwin Walker for one, and Guy Banister for another. There are many more, of course. H.L. Hunt and Clint Murchison were also ranking members of the John Birch Society in Dallas -- but that's only the tip of the iceberg.

You're really asking for a full book Greg, and this is only an informal thread. Also, I'm only one guy. One the main reasons I'm here on the FORUM is to find like-minded folks to HELP ME GATHER INFOMRATION along these lines.

As for documentation on Walker, you probably missed the YEARS of documentation and links to his Personal Papers that I've posted over my years on the Forum. That's my principle reason for being here. So, you can be excused.

Your summation of my view is merely a joke, Greg. I do indeed excuse the CIA, LBJ, Hoover, the FBI and the Warren Commission from the MURDER of JFK, but not from the COVER-UP of that Murder.

And yes, I agree with LBJ that the Truth about the murder of JFK was a matter of National Security.

It's too bad that the JFK research community has devolved into closed minds who merely want to shake a finger at the CIA, the FBI, J. Edgar Hoover and LBJ. It's too sophomoric, and it doesn't take into account all the FACTS.

The evidence that JFK researchers use to condemn J. Edgar Hoover is even weaker than the evidence used to condemn Lee Harvey Oswald.

I fully agree that the LONE NUT theory is full of holes. It can only be justified by what it accomplished -- it prevented Civil War in the USA.

Now that we are a half-century past the murder of JFK, and now that the USSR has fallen, it is probably safe to review the true facts of the JFK murder -- and lay the blame where it really should have been laid in 1964, namely, at the feet of the Right-wing radicals who claimed that US Presidents were Communists.

Regards,

--Paul Trejo

What does Paul mean by his description of Clint Murchison and H.L. Hunt as "ranking members of the Birch Society in Dallas"?

Normally, "ranking member" means second in command OR, alternatively, a senior member of a committee or in a group who is, nevertheless, in a subordinate position to the actual leadership.

1. What is Paul's source for claiming that both Hunt and Murchison were JBS members?

2. What is Paul's source for claiming that, in addition, they were "ranking members" in Dallas?

Edited August 28, 2014 by Ernie Lazar