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If you type in the name “Dorothy Kilgallen” into Google you get these first four results:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dorothy_Kilgallen

http://www.jfkresearch.com/morningstar/killgallen.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKkilgallen.htm

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/death4.htm

It is interesting to see that it is the McAdams page that is most used by the Wikipedia entry than the other two articles.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_C._McAdams&action=history

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dorothy_Kilgallen&offset=20100126114957&action=history

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http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Dorothy_Kilgallen&oldid=339981470

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=John_C._McAdams&action=history

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Mr. Simkin:

I've read with great interest your postings on Dorothy Kilgallen. I'm very interested to find out more about her work. Where in the US can one find the Journal-American archived or on micro-fiche? Also, has anyone filed a Freedom of Information lawsuit regarding the report about Monroe or Kilgallen? Has any revealing information on Pataky turned up regarding the School of the Americas which might imply he was a CIA assassin?

He might have been a convenient "cut-out" for any CIA operation. This was a useful method that guys like Phillips and Angleton used to insulate themselves.

Ten thousand people filed past Kilgallen's casket in the funeral home before her funeral and 3,000 came to her funeral. Perhaps many sensed an assassination had occurred and she didn't die by accident as the New York Times reported? The coroner stated it wasn't suicide. What evidence turned up about the substances in her blood? In reference to the movie, The Parallax View, the FBI agent tells Warren Beatty the FBI has a PEP pill- a pulmonary embolism pill(or a cerebral hemmorhage pill)- it looks like your heart attacked you (or you had a stroke).What credible evidence is there in the public domain that the CIA had such capabilities in 1965? Of course any evidence of their usage within the US would be a violation of the CIA's charter. It is true the other two journalists at Ruby's aprtment the day he shot Oswald died under very suspicious circumstances. The pattern of suspicious deaths is irrefutable. It's amazing how this aspect of the JFK case has been smothered.The absence of any Ruby notes is a giveaway that the CIA got those notes, just as Angleton got the diary of Mary Meyer after her strange murder, and just as Angleton got into Win Scott's safe in Mexico City and destroyed that evidence. Considering the CIA experimentation with LSD, it would seem reasonable the CIA would use 'medical tools' as weapons to assassinate thorny people like Kilgallen.

Can I ask you if you had a career in intelligence? You are in education now but were you ever an employee of any intelligence agency? How do you do your research?

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Can I ask you if you had a career in intelligence? You are in education now but were you ever an employee of any intelligence agency? How do you do your research?

I have never been a member of any intelligence agency. I am a historian who is interested in the Secret State. My research is primarily about the role of intelligence agencies in political life in the UK. My material often comes from whistle-blowers. For example, that is how I know that Tony Blair originally joined the Labour Party and CND as a MI5 spy.

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Mr. Simkin:

I've read with great interest your postings on Dorothy Kilgallen. I'm very interested to find out more about her work. Where in the US can one find the Journal-American archived or on micro-fiche? Also, has anyone filed a Freedom of Information lawsuit regarding the report about Monroe or Kilgallen? Has any revealing information on Pataky turned up regarding the School of the Americas which might imply he was a CIA assassin?

He might have been a convenient "cut-out" for any CIA operation. This was a useful method that guys like Phillips and Angleton used to insulate themselves.

Ten thousand people filed past Kilgallen's casket in the funeral home before her funeral and 3,000 came to her funeral. Perhaps many sensed an assassination had occurred and she didn't die by accident as the New York Times reported? The coroner stated it wasn't suicide. What evidence turned up about the substances in her blood? In reference to the movie, The Parallax View, the FBI agent tells Warren Beatty the FBI has a PEP pill- a pulmonary embolism pill(or a cerebral hemmorhage pill)- it looks like your heart attacked you (or you had a stroke).What credible evidence is there in the public domain that the CIA had such capabilities in 1965? Of course any evidence of their usage within the US would be a violation of the CIA's charter. It is true the other two journalists at Ruby's aprtment the day he shot Oswald died under very suspicious circumstances. The pattern of suspicious deaths is irrefutable. It's amazing how this aspect of the JFK case has been smothered.The absence of any Ruby notes is a giveaway that the CIA got those notes, just as Angleton got the diary of Mary Meyer after her strange murder, and just as Angleton got into Win Scott's safe in Mexico City and destroyed that evidence. Considering the CIA experimentation with LSD, it would seem reasonable the CIA would use 'medical tools' as weapons to assassinate thorny people like Kilgallen.

Can I ask you if you had a career in intelligence? You are in education now but were you ever an employee of any intelligence agency? How do you do your research?

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Mr. Simkin, Could please take the time to answwer my other questions about any extant Journal American issues on microfilm or in any other format: are there any in the New York area or on the east coast? Is there some way for us to read them? Have any FOIA suits been filed based upon chemical tools used for killing or assassination by CIA?

Thanks for your time

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Mr. Simkin, Could please take the time to answwer my other questions about any extant Journal American issues on microfilm or in any other format: are there any in the New York area or on the east coast? Is there some way for us to read them? Have any FOIA suits been filed based upon chemical tools used for killing or assassination by CIA?

Thanks for your time

I do not know the answers to these questions. I am no longer interested in JFK research. However, I am sure there are members of the forum who could answer these questions.

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Dorothy Kilgallen was killed because of her interview with Jack Ruby. Her friend was also killed a few days later who she passed on her notes. Too much of a coincidence in a matter where there are a thousand coincidences according to the liars covering this up.

Medical reports show she did not "overdose or commit suicide." Too many , again, committed suicide to the point where only a damn fool would believe all those coincidences.

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I do not even know what the questions are, and have very little interest in the JFK matter anymore either since I know what happened and that is all that counts.

Dorothy Kilgallen was killed because of her interview with Jack Ruby. Her friend was also killed a few days later who she passed on her notes. Too much of a coincidence in a matter where there are a thousand coincidences according to the liers covering this up.

Medical reports show she did not "overdose or commit suicide." Too many , again, committed suicide to the point where only a damn fool would believe all those coincidences.

Mr. Bartus, Dorothy Kilgallen wrote a syndicated column and many of her columns can accessed at this link, as they appeared in newspapers around the country.:

http://www.google.com/#q=%22by+dorothy+kilgallen%22&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1,ar:1&source=lnt&sa=X&psj=1&ei=uZBgTe7sG82Etgee5ZW1DA&ved=0CBQQpwUoCg&bav=on.1,or.&fp=bc3757e578a738f7

Peter, you are entitled to believe what you wish and post your opinions to your heart's content, but I'm hoping you agree with me on the point that you do not have proof to support much of your post I've quoted. Kilgallen's friend, wife of former US Ambassador to Cuba, Earl Smith, is reported to have died of the effects of cancer, just days after Kilgallen died.

http://www.google.com/#q=florence+pritchett+smith&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1,ar:1&source=lnt&sa=X&psj=1&ei=-pJgTf7FK4G6tgf899m6DA&ved=0CBQQpwUoCg&bav=on.1,or.&fp=bc3757e578a738f7

Mrs. Earl ET Smith, 45, Dies; Columnist and Wife of Ex....

$3.95 - New York Times - Nov 11, 1965

Mrs. Smith, who wrote under] her maiden name, Florence l Pritchett, had been in ill since mid-August. She had re-I been discharged from Roosevelt Hospital....

There is not even agreement or proof that Kilgallen conducted a private interview with Jack Ruby or that she "passed on her notes" to terminally ill, Florence Pritchett Smith.:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2358

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I realize this has been gone over before but I am amazed that more info hasn't come out of NY circles about Dorothy's death.

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On November 8, 1965, Dorothy Kilgallen, was found dead in her apartment shortly after returning from Dallas where she had interviewed Jack Ruby and had conducted her own investigation of the JFK murder during several trips to cover the Ruby trial.

She had revealed secret transcripts of Ruby's testimony in her column. Kilgallen had met with Ruby. She had learned of a meeting three weeks before the assassination at Ruby's "Carousel", the Dallas underworld's merry-go-round where the "Big D" mobsters wheeled around.

Present at the meeting were Ruby, Officer J.D. Tippit, Bernard Weismann and, she would later learn, a fourth party.

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Kilgallen was a pretty high profile lady to hit...I remember seeing her as a kid onTV with my parents....but I guess if you have already knocked off the elected President of the United States...you are probably pretty much "all-in" at that point...and it wasn't like they had any choice...they had to silence Kilgallen and knock off her friend who they probably knew about via wire taps or the Isreali guy.

Kilgallen was the only person to talk to Ruby...and likely the last person to talk to him who had any "investigative" desires.

Of course I never thought that Tippet was anything more than the "designated hero" who would either catch Oswald - or more likely - gun him down. ...and I have always thought that Oswald was just a tad smarter than the standard patsy. And of course it didn't get Oswald anywhere except a bad bargaining deal and a .38 in the gut (middle-right) that would not have killed the guy with proper medical care - that close to a major hospital.

But...as we all know...Lee Harvey Oswald was NOT going to survive that shot...even if Ruby had shot him in the knee.

Edited by David S. Brownlee

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After trying to find more info on the "exclusive" and "private" Kilgallen/Ruby interview via the web I was intrigued to find that many, about 20%, of the reports state the interview was far from exclusive and certainly not private and was no more than a few words inside the packed courtroom during a recess, whilst other reporters looked on within hearing range. Hardly the right setting for Ruby to confess anything of any consequence that would "break the case wide open"! Kinda perplexing, until I realised that most, if not all, of the remaining 80% of the reports which claim an exclusive interview between Kilgallen and Ruby share the same common source, an authoress by the name of Lee Israel, indeed the lady is mentioned in several post's in this very thread. More than that, a great deal of the information concerning Kilgallen and her death written here comes directly from Israel's book "Kilgallen". So how reliable a source is Lee Israel? Well, considering she's a self confessed forger, xxxx, thief, con artist and criminal....I'm thinking not very.

http://www.nytimes.c...show_index.html

http://www.nytimes.c...oks/24forg.html

http://www.thetakeaw...literary-crime/

The crimes Lee Israel committed in 1990, 1991 and 1992 have nothing to do with the research she had done on Kilgallen more than twelve years earlier. She finished her Kilgallen work in 1978, more than a year before the book's September 1979 publication. Moreover, almost a dozen people she quoted in the book later did soundbite video interviews that confirm the quotes. They did, in fact, say what Lee Israel said they had said. Do you know anything about what it's like to be a successful New York writer? Lee began her life of crime almost five years after the publication of her book about American cosmetics tycoon Estee Lauder. That book flopped, ruining her access to major publishers.

Not only can you see visuals and hear audio of Lee's sources confirming what's in the book, but you even can access interviews by three people who saw Dorothy Kilgallen during the last six months of her life and they never talked to Lee. So that material is not in the book.

Did you know Dorothy Kilgallen was invisible at the time Lee committed her crimes in the early 1990s? Lee did not have the option of reissuing her book or hooking up with fans of "What's My Line?". She did not have those options because "What's My Line?" was invisible. Reruns on the Game Show Network did not start until December of 1994. That is when the network was launched. Today the network, renamed GSN, still exists, but it discontinued all old black and white game shows just three months ago. You Tube is the place to see and hear Dorothy in 2009. And Lee Israel is once again a law - abiding citizen, doing freelance magazine work and editing.

Maybe Ron Pataky (the friend Dorothy made the year before she died) will confess something. If you Google him, you will notice that he is alive. His date of birth is on Mr. Simkin's "Spartacus" web site. I assume people have read the strange online interview with him about Dorothy. It is on the Midwest Today web site. That magazine investigated the mystery, and editor / publisher Larry Jordan has nothing to do with Lee Israel's life of crime.

No one else thinks this speaks to an agenda and a fraud, considering what the intent is in the post above, and this record? :

Considering I have found that David Yarnell posted in 2005 under I.P. numbers also logged to posts by Lee Israel and by Jonathan Wendland, it seems appropriate to reevaluate / discount everything posted by these three.

The following posts all originated from the same I.P. # :

Israel : http://educationforu...483

Israel : http://educationforu...033

Yarnell: http://educationforu...648

Yarnell: http://educationforu...210

Yarnell: http://educationforu...028

Wendland: http://educationforu...434

Wendland: http://educationforu...092

Wendland: http://educationforu...091

There are more, under other I.P.'s used commonly by two or more of the three "members."....

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thank you so much, John - i was thinking last night that i'd like to see her in an episode of What's My Line. My memories of the show are a few years more recent, with Soupy Sales and Anita Gillette...?

I hope you're well. I don't know you, John, but i read a little about the consternation with the forum, and that you've moved on to 'greener pastures'. Hope you're well...

GN

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