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Thomas Graves

David Ferrie phone call to a bank in La Jolla, CA 4/62

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Thomas Graves said:

I went to the "La Jolla History Room" at the La Jolla library the other day and did some research on the phone call that David Ferrie made to La Jolla, California on April 19, 1962-- (714) 459-4311. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ferriephone.txt

 

The 1962 "La Jolla Bluebook" phone book says that that number was to Security First National Bank (which later became Security Pacific National Bank).

It's interesting that he would call a bank in La Jolla, given the fact that Clint Murchison owned the Hotel Del Charro here in my hometown, and that Hoover and Tolson would stay at the Del Charro during the Del Mar Turf Club racing season which starts in early July and lasts through early September. (I remember seeing Nixon during the summer of 1968 in the La Jolla Presbyterian Church, fwiw.)

The number that Ferrie called on 4/19/62 differed from the Hotel Del Charro's number by one digit: (714) 459-3311. Hmmm. Maybe he was trying to call the Del Charro and mis-dialed?

--  Tommy :sun

PS, FWIW, The "Blue Book" says that the bank's Vice President and Manager was "Millard W. Smith" and the Assistant Trust Officer was "D.B. Bradford."

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On 2/13/2008 at 3:40 AM, Thomas Graves said:
Thomas Graves said:
I went to the "La Jolla History Room" at the La Jolla library the other day and did some research on the phone call that David Ferrie made to La Jolla, California on April 19, 1962-- (714) 459-4311. The 1962 "La Jolla Bluebook" phone book says that that number was to Security First National Bank (which later became Security Pacific National Bank).

It's interesting that he would call a bank here in La Jolla given the fact that Clint Murchison owned the Hotel Del Charro here in my hometown, and that Hoover and Tolson would stay at the Del Charro during the Del Mar Turf Club racing season which starts in early July and lasts through early September. I remember seeing Nixon during the summer of 1968 in the La Jolla Presbyterian Church....

The number that Ferrie called on 4/19/62 differed from the Hotel Del Charro's number by one digit: (714) 459-3311. Hmmm. Maybe he was trying to call the Del Charro and miss-dialed?

--Thomas

PS, FWIW, The "Blue Book" says that the bank's Vice President and Manager was "Millard W. Smith" and the Assistant Trust Officer was "D.B. Bradford."

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I guess my theory that Ferrie miss-dialed the number to the Del Charro and reached a bank by mistake doesn't make much sense. If he had tried to call the Del Charro but called the bank by mistake, it's reasonable to assume that his next call would have been to the Del Charro. But it wasn't. In fact this call to La Jolla on 4/19/62 was the only time I know of that he called anyone in La Jolla from that phone. (Doh!) So now I'm wondering why he called the bank...

--Thomas

Here is the list of Ferrie's phone calls that shows the La Jolla call:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ferriephone.txt

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I am interested in La Jolla because Hal Collins, Jr. sent a telegram from there on Nov., 24, 1964, to the Dallas City jail in support of Jack Ruby.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16815&view=findpost&p=219128

Collins's sister, Mary Ann, had married Tom Clark's brother Robert, in 1957, and she lived in La Jolla. I found a source saying Robert Lanier Clark died in 1963, so I do not know if Mary Ann Collins Clark purchased the La Jolla property before, or after Clark's death.

http://www.google.com/#q=mary+ann+clark+t62+orrey+pines&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1,ar:1&source=lnt&sa=X&ei=TnpQTZiFCYOEtgforvS2AQ&ved=0CA8QpwUoBQ&fp=8f73692e0abfddb6

LA Men Held in La Jolla Jewel Theft

Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - Nov 12, 1965

the jail and mostkl8gems were recovered 1r tMary Ann Clark ol t62orrey Pines Road La 4A1$3Iold police that a *la4Containing watch es ...

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1%2Car%3A1&q=%22Hal+H+Collins+Jr+of+Houston+and+Larry%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=8f73692e0abfddb6

The Dallas Morning News : '42 GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE...

- Dallas Morning News - Nov 11, 1986

Collins is survived by two sons Hal H Collins Jr of Houston and Larry D Collins of Dallas daughters Mary Ann Collins Clark of La Jolla Calif Ruth Collins ....

Robert L. Clark was a former law partner of Maury Hughes.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IjQrAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QZoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3169,2550728&dq=maury+hughes+former+law+partner&hl=en

Holmes Alexander Fulton Lewis Jr.

Reading Eagle - Apr 22, 1954

...He points out that Maury Hughes a law partner of Clark's brother...

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&ds=n&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=peter+dale+scott+jones+maury+hughes+job&cp=16&qe=cGV0ZXIgZGFsZSBzY290dCBqb25lcyBtYXVyeSBodWdoZXMgam9i&qesig=h0lPXbOg34-wAMIqFVGaEA&pkc=AFgZ2tlSLW-aZBilY3XpH2C0uIltNBqSvn3Fe_r3pKaLq-5jHlF_CwxbsMe3WPyL6BAFrZKqOJVxoXE6vucho1SEQUWWvxx_Ww&safe=off&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1,ar:1,bks:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=np&fp=69df59b90b2dbb45

Deep Politics and the Death of JFK - Page 159

Peter Dale Scott - 1996 - 424 pages - Google eBook - Preview

... Maury Hughes, a Dallas attorney who traveled to Washington to obtain the parole, was offered employment in Dallas by Chicago mob figure Pat Manno, as part of the group Jones claimed to represent.71 These revelations did nothing to to weaken Arvey's hold over the Democratic party in Chicago....

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=Nanini%27s+ties+to+the+syndicate+were+again+revealed+in+1947&btnG=Search+Books

Captive city

Ovid Demaris - 1969 - 366 pages - Snippet view

Nanini's ties to the Syndicate were again revealed in 1947 when he wrote a letter to the federal parole board advocating an application by Louis "Little New York" Campagna (the gangster who had terrorized Cermak) for release from the .

Investigation as to the manner ... the Board of Parole is operating and ...‎ - Page 182

United States. Congress. House. Comm. on Expenditures in the Executive Departments - 1948 - 938 pages

... Kans., signed by S. Nanini, president and treasurer. Rock Road Construction

Co., Chicago, 111., re recommendation for parole of Louis Campagna. 9-g. ...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=AlE0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=lX4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=7273,4964574&dq=webb+crown+sam+joseph&hl=en

The Milwaukee Journal - Mar 19, 1977

Led to More Deals

For Webb, the Flamingo experience led to a series of deals

with other developers including Henry Crown of Chicago and

Arnold S. Kirkeby of Los Angeles.

Crown, now 80, a Chicago financier who owned the Empire State Building

from 1954 to 1961, became a close adviser to Webb. He was a longtime ally of

a Chicago Democratic boss, the late Jacob M. (Jake) Arvey, and a business associate

of Tucson developer Sam Nanini, another Chicagoan with acknowledged mob connections....

At the time of the WC's investigation, Arvey's former law partners, David Bazelon was chief judge of the DC appellate court, and Paul Ziffren was a year away from seeing his son Ken appointed by Earl Warren as his law clerk.

The 1964 candidate for president was close to one of the four Chicago hoodlums Maury Hughes had worked to parole from federal prison.:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&ds=bo&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=goldwater+bioff&cp=15&qe=Z29sZHdhdGVyIGJpb2Zm&qesig=TCda68bWhLMvVwC_HIRIFg&pkc=AFgZ2tm-tN2gfA7LQeq3tAEbRZYH8KDxRdloXYubf3XPeeq_FUBcE3OKw6jempsFNpHxL1oa0Yr83WqJ7a4M-M9RRFwGAenysQ&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&tbs=bks:1&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=goldwater+bioff&pbx=1&fp=82701234d6c4a244

Mr. Mob: The Life and Crimes of Moe Dalitz - Page 175

Michael Newton - 2009 - 317 pages - Google eBook -

Goldwater attended Bioff's funeral in 1955, but he denied knowledge of Willie's true identity. Still, reporters learned that Bioff had known Goldwater since November 1952, that he loaned Goldwater $10000 for a California farm investment...

John McCain's and Barack Obama's political careers owed much to James Hensley, associated with Bioff's wire service and Flamingo Casino crony, Kemper Marley, and in Obama's case, to Lester Crown.

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg26891.html

[CTRL] [6] The Arizona Project

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=bks:1&q=%22*This+time%2C+Henry+Crown%2C+a+Chicago+investor%2C+bought+360+acres+of+land+owned+by+Martori+a+dozen+miles+from+Arrowhead%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=82701234d6c4a244

The Arizona Project: how a team of investigative reporters got ...

Michael F. Wendland - 1977 - 276 pages

....What happened next wasn't. For according to the records, on the very same day

that Zerilli's combine made its initial purchase-July 21, 1955—it sold 975 of

the acres. Zerilli's selling price on his newly bought land was $1,258 an

acre, or almost double the per-acre price he had just paid.

Who was the buyer foolish enough to pay so much? None other than one Arnold

S. Kirkeby of Los Angeles. Kirkeby was an international financier with big

mob connections. Before his death in a 1962 plane crash, Kirkeby was linked

to Chicago mob interests. He was also the former owner of the National Hotel

in Havana, Cuba, where mob moneyman Meyer Lansky had his office and operated

the hotel gambling casino. Kirkeby and Lansky also knew Zerilli....

....his time, Henry Crown, a Chicago investor, bought 360 acres of land owned by

Martori a dozen miles from Arrowhead. The cost was nearly a million dollars,

or an unusually high $2,778 per acre. A week later, on September 22, 1966,

Martori and Goldwater purchased the main Arrowhead Ranch from Webb for just

$685 an acre, only $27 more per acre than Zerilli had paid for it eleven

years before.

All this led reporters to the ranch's current status. In November 1976, it

was a part of the giant Goldmar corporation, owned by Robert Goldwater and

the Martori family. Old Joseph F. Martori had died in 1973. Harry Rosenzweig,

the Goldwater brothers' chief business and political associate and the man

Berger had referred to as head of the Phoenix power structure, was a recent

member of the board of directors. So was John Curci, one of Detroit hoodlum

Zerilli's partners in the fruit brokering business originally set up in 1955

to market Arrowhead citrus. And Carl Jarson, an original co-owner of

Arrowhead with Zerilli, had bragged to Wendland that Goldmar was one of his

biggest customers. Thus, while mobster Zerilli, at seventy-three, lived in

Michigan and was ostensibly out of Arizona, some of his associates still had

business interests in Arrowhead.

Putting it all together, IRE had established links between the Goldwater

brothers and Rosenzweig and organized crime figures going back more than two

decades-associations which were still beneath the surface in the fall of 1976.

It was no accident that Bush V.P. Dan Quayle's grandfather, Eugene Pulliam, refused to publish the research gathered by the I.R.E. reporters convened to find the murderers of Pulliam's own reporter, Don Bolles.:

http://books.google.com/books?id=qeYDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA28&dq=pullian+ire+don+bowles&hl=en&ei=_IFQTc-cKcO4twfmnr21AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Mother Jones Magazine - Jun 1977 - Page 28

Vol. 2, No. 5 - 60 pages - Magazine - Full view

... as well as those of its late owner, Eugene Pulliam. Management, for example, told Greene that there was no organized gambling in Arizona. When major local figures got into scrapes, the Republic would delicately announce, ...

http://www.ire.org/history/timeline.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/28/obituaries/kemper-marley-sr-is-dead-at-83-name-arose-in-76-slaying-inquiry.html

Kemper Marley Sr. Is Dead at 83; Name Arose in '76 Slaying Inquiry ...

Jun 28, 1990 ... Kemper Marley Sr., a millionaire Arizona rancher and liquor ... death in a 1976 bombing, died on Monday at a beach home in La Jolla, Calif. ...

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=%22*or+stroll+the+beaches+of+la+jolla%2C+california+where+you+owned&btnG=Search+Books#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=1&tbs=bks:1&source=hp&q=%22*or+stroll+the+beaches+of+la+jolla%2C+california+where+you+owned%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=82701234d6c4a244

Barry Goldwater: the biography of a conservative

Rob Wood, Dean Smith - 1961 - 175 pages - Snippet view

It was one thing to be a big man in Phoenix where your family owned the city's most fashionable mercantile store. Or stroll the beaches of La Jolla, California, where you owned a summer home. It was something else to be a giant on the national political scene... It was win, Barry, or get the hell out of the game...

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/politics/mccain-properties.html

The McCain Properties

By DAVID M. HALBFINGER

Published: August 23, 2008

5. CONDO IN LA JOLLA, CALIF.

Description: 1,429-square-foot, 2-bedroom, 2-bath condo in oceanfront complex with pool, built 1972, where Jim Hensley died in 2000.

Price Paid: $83,500

When Bought: June 2, 1972, from the developer, La Jolla Shores Clubdominium

Owner of Record: Marguerite Hensley Survivors Trust

Edited by Tom Scully

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On 11/21/2010 at 2:50 PM, Thomas Graves said:
On 2/13/2008 at 3:40 AM, Thomas Graves said:
Thomas Graves said:
I went to the "La Jolla History Room" at the La Jolla library the other day and did some research on the phone call that David Ferrie made to La Jolla, California on April 19, 1962-- (714) 459-4311. The 1962 "La Jolla Bluebook" phone book says that that number was to Security First National Bank (which later became Security Pacific National Bank).

It's interesting that he would call a bank here in La Jolla given the fact that Clint Murchison owned the Hotel Del Charro here in my hometown, and that Hoover and Tolson would stay at the Del Charro during the Del Mar Turf Club racing season which starts in early July and lasts through early September. I remember seeing Nixon during the summer of 1968 in the La Jolla Presbyterian Church....

The number that Ferrie called on 4/19/62 differed from the Hotel Del Charro's number by one digit: (714) 459-3311. Hmmm. Maybe he was trying to call the Del Charro and miss-dialed?

--Thomas

PS, FWIW, The "Blue Book" says that the bank's Vice President and Manager was "Millard W. Smith" and the Assistant Trust Officer was "D.B. Bradford."

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I guess my theory that Ferrie miss-dialed the number to the Del Charro and reached a bank instead doesn't make much sense. If he had tried to call the Del Charro (but called the bank by mistake), it's reasonable to assume that the next call on his list would have been from him to the correct number for the Hotel Del Charro, but it wasn't. The very next call on Ferrie's phonecall list was from someone in San Diego. His phonecall to the bank in La Jolla on 4/19/62 was apparently the only time he called anyone in La Jolla from that phone.

So now I'm wondering why he called that bank...

--Thomas

Here's the list of Ferrie's phone calls that shows the La Jolla call:

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/ferriephone.txt

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I am interested in La Jolla because Hal Collins, Jr. sent a telegram from there on Nov., 24, 1964, to the Dallas City jail in support of Jack Ruby.

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16815&view=findpost&p=219128

Collins's sister, Mary Ann, had married Tom Clark's brother Robert, in 1957, and she lived in La Jolla. I found a source saying Robert Lanier Clark died in 1963, so I do not know if Mary Ann Collins Clark purchased the La Jolla property before, or after Clark's death.

http://www.google.com/#q=mary+ann+clark+t62+orrey+pines&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1,ar:1&source=lnt&sa=X&ei=TnpQTZiFCYOEtgforvS2AQ&ved=0CA8QpwUoBQ&fp=8f73692e0abfddb6

LA Men Held in La Jolla Jewel Theft

Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - Nov 12, 1965

the jail and mostkl8gems were recovered 1r tMary Ann Clark ol t62orrey Pines Road La 4A1$3Iold police that a *la4Containing watch es ...

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1%2Car%3A1&q=%22Hal+H+Collins+Jr+of+Houston+and+Larry%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=8f73692e0abfddb6

The Dallas Morning News : '42 GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE...

- Dallas Morning News - Nov 11, 1986

Collins is survived by two sons Hal H Collins Jr of Houston and Larry D Collins of Dallas daughters Mary Ann Collins Clark of La Jolla Calif Ruth Collins ....

Robert L. Clark was a former law partner of Maury Hughes.

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=IjQrAAAAIBAJ&sjid=QZoFAAAAIBAJ&pg=3169,2550728&dq=maury+hughes+former+law+partner&hl=en

Holmes Alexander Fulton Lewis Jr.

Reading Eagle - Apr 22, 1954

...He points out that Maury Hughes a law partner of Clark's brother...

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&ds=n&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=peter+dale+scott+jones+maury+hughes+job&cp=16&qe=cGV0ZXIgZGFsZSBzY290dCBqb25lcyBtYXVyeSBodWdoZXMgam9i&qesig=h0lPXbOg34-wAMIqFVGaEA&pkc=AFgZ2tlSLW-aZBilY3XpH2C0uIltNBqSvn3Fe_r3pKaLq-5jHlF_CwxbsMe3WPyL6BAFrZKqOJVxoXE6vucho1SEQUWWvxx_Ww&safe=off&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1,ar:1,bks:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=np&fp=69df59b90b2dbb45

Deep Politics and the Death of JFK - Page 159

Peter Dale Scott - 1996 - 424 pages - Google eBook - Preview

... Maury Hughes, a Dallas attorney who traveled to Washington to obtain the parole, was offered employment in Dallas by Chicago mob figure Pat Manno, as part of the group Jones claimed to represent.71 These revelations did nothing to to weaken Arvey's hold over the Democratic party in Chicago....

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=Nanini%27s+ties+to+the+syndicate+were+again+revealed+in+1947&btnG=Search+Books

Captive city

Ovid Demaris - 1969 - 366 pages - Snippet view

Nanini's ties to the Syndicate were again revealed in 1947 when he wrote a letter to the federal parole board advocating an application by Louis "Little New York" Campagna (the gangster who had terrorized Cermak) for release from the .

Investigation as to the manner ... the Board of Parole is operating and ...‎ - Page 182

United States. Congress. House. Comm. on Expenditures in the Executive Departments - 1948 - 938 pages

... Kans., signed by S. Nanini, president and treasurer. Rock Road Construction

Co., Chicago, 111., re recommendation for parole of Louis Campagna. 9-g. ...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=AlE0AAAAIBAJ&sjid=lX4EAAAAIBAJ&pg=7273,4964574&dq=webb+crown+sam+joseph&hl=en

The Milwaukee Journal - Mar 19, 1977

Led to More Deals

For Webb, the Flamingo experience led to a series of deals

with other developers including Henry Crown of Chicago and

Arnold S. Kirkeby of Los Angeles.

Crown, now 80, a Chicago financier who owned the Empire State Building

from 1954 to 1961, became a close adviser to Webb. He was a longtime ally of

a Chicago Democratic boss, the late Jacob M. (Jake) Arvey, and a business associate

of Tucson developer Sam Nanini, another Chicagoan with acknowledged mob connections....

At the time of the WC's investigation, Arvey's former law partners, David Bazelon was chief judge of the DC appellate court, and Paul Ziffren was a year away from seeing his son Ken appointed by Earl Warren as his law clerk.

The 1964 candidate for president was close to one of the four Chicago hoodlums Maury Hughes had worked to parole from federal prison.:

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&ds=bo&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=goldwater+bioff&cp=15&qe=Z29sZHdhdGVyIGJpb2Zm&qesig=TCda68bWhLMvVwC_HIRIFg&pkc=AFgZ2tm-tN2gfA7LQeq3tAEbRZYH8KDxRdloXYubf3XPeeq_FUBcE3OKw6jempsFNpHxL1oa0Yr83WqJ7a4M-M9RRFwGAenysQ&pf=p&sclient=psy&safe=off&tbs=bks:1&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=goldwater+bioff&pbx=1&fp=82701234d6c4a244

Mr. Mob: The Life and Crimes of Moe Dalitz - Page 175

Michael Newton - 2009 - 317 pages - Google eBook -

Goldwater attended Bioff's funeral in 1955, but he denied knowledge of Willie's true identity. Still, reporters learned that Bioff had known Goldwater since November 1952, that he loaned Goldwater $10000 for a California farm investment...

John McCain's and Barack Obama's political careers owed much to James Hensley, associated with Bioff's wire service and Flamingo Casino crony, Kemper Marley, and in Obama's case, to Lester Crown.

http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg26891.html

[CTRL] [6] The Arizona Project

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=bks:1&q=%22*This+time%2C+Henry+Crown%2C+a+Chicago+investor%2C+bought+360+acres+of+land+owned+by+Martori+a+dozen+miles+from+Arrowhead%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=82701234d6c4a244

The Arizona Project: how a team of investigative reporters got ...

Michael F. Wendland - 1977 - 276 pages

....What happened next wasn't. For according to the records, on the very same day

that Zerilli's combine made its initial purchase-July 21, 1955—it sold 975 of

the acres. Zerilli's selling price on his newly bought land was $1,258 an

acre, or almost double the per-acre price he had just paid.

Who was the buyer foolish enough to pay so much? None other than one Arnold

S. Kirkeby of Los Angeles. Kirkeby was an international financier with big

mob connections. Before his death in a 1962 plane crash, Kirkeby was linked

to Chicago mob interests. He was also the former owner of the National Hotel

in Havana, Cuba, where mob moneyman Meyer Lansky had his office and operated

the hotel gambling casino. Kirkeby and Lansky also knew Zerilli....

....his time, Henry Crown, a Chicago investor, bought 360 acres of land owned by

Martori a dozen miles from Arrowhead. The cost was nearly a million dollars,

or an unusually high $2,778 per acre. A week later, on September 22, 1966,

Martori and Goldwater purchased the main Arrowhead Ranch from Webb for just

$685 an acre, only $27 more per acre than Zerilli had paid for it eleven

years before.

All this led reporters to the ranch's current status. In November 1976, it

was a part of the giant Goldmar corporation, owned by Robert Goldwater and

the Martori family. Old Joseph F. Martori had died in 1973. Harry Rosenzweig,

the Goldwater brothers' chief business and political associate and the man

Berger had referred to as head of the Phoenix power structure, was a recent

member of the board of directors. So was John Curci, one of Detroit hoodlum

Zerilli's partners in the fruit brokering business originally set up in 1955

to market Arrowhead citrus. And Carl Jarson, an original co-owner of

Arrowhead with Zerilli, had bragged to Wendland that Goldmar was one of his

biggest customers. Thus, while mobster Zerilli, at seventy-three, lived in

Michigan and was ostensibly out of Arizona, some of his associates still had

business interests in Arrowhead.

Putting it all together, IRE had established links between the Goldwater

brothers and Rosenzweig and organized crime figures going back more than two

decades-associations which were still beneath the surface in the fall of 1976.

It was no accident that Bush V.P. Dan Quayle's grandfather, Eugene Pulliam, refused to publish the research gathered by the I.R.E. reporters convened to find the murderers of Pulliam's own reporter, Don Bolles.:

http://books.google.com/books?id=qeYDAAAAMBAJ&pg=PA28&dq=pullian+ire+don+bowles&hl=en&ei=_IFQTc-cKcO4twfmnr21AQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&sqi=2&ved=0CCkQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

Mother Jones Magazine - Jun 1977 - Page 28

Vol. 2, No. 5 - 60 pages - Magazine - Full view

... as well as those of its late owner, Eugene Pulliam. Management, for example, told Greene that there was no organized gambling in Arizona. When major local figures got into scrapes, the Republic would delicately announce, ...

http://www.ire.org/history/timeline.html

http://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/28/obituaries/kemper-marley-sr-is-dead-at-83-name-arose-in-76-slaying-inquiry.html

Kemper Marley Sr. Is Dead at 83; Name Arose in '76 Slaying Inquiry ...

Jun 28, 1990 ... Kemper Marley Sr., a millionaire Arizona rancher and liquor ... death in a 1976 bombing, died on Monday at a beach home in La Jolla, Calif. ...

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=%22*or+stroll+the+beaches+of+la+jolla%2C+california+where+you+owned&btnG=Search+Books#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=1&tbs=bks:1&source=hp&q=%22*or+stroll+the+beaches+of+la+jolla%2C+california+where+you+owned%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=82701234d6c4a244

Barry Goldwater: the biography of a conservative

Rob Wood, Dean Smith - 1961 - 175 pages - Snippet view

It was one thing to be a big man in Phoenix where your family owned the city's most fashionable mercantile store. Or stroll the beaches of La Jolla, California, where you owned a summer home. It was something else to be a giant on the national political scene... It was win, Barry, or get the hell out of the game...

http://www.nytimes.com/ref/us/politics/mccain-properties.html

The McCain Properties

By DAVID M. HALBFINGER

Published: August 23, 2008

5. CONDO IN LA JOLLA, CALIF.

Description: 1,429-square-foot, 2-bedroom, 2-bath condo in oceanfront complex with pool, built 1972, where Jim Hensley died in 2000.

Price Paid: $83,500

When Bought: June 2, 1972, from the developer, La Jolla Shores Clubdominium

Owner of Record: Marguerite Hensley Survivors Trust

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I'm planning to spend some more time next week at the La Jolla Library, where they've got La Jolla Bluebooks (phone books, most with "Homeowner's Directories" in the back) going back to 1936(!) plus lots of other juicy resources regarding people who have lived in La Jolla over the years. Right now I'm trying to figure out who "Hal and Pauline Collins" were and what their backgrounds and associations were here in La Jolla as well as nationally.

Anyone got anything on Hal Collins of La Jolla, California (or any other "person of interest" from the San Diego area)?

Thanks, :)

--Tommy

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http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16978&view=findpost&p=219500

(...and before the McAdamswikipediabots edited away some of the footnotes from the relevant section in the "Alleged Links to Organized Crime", segment of the wiki article :

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Ruby&oldid=413672205 )

Pauline and Hal, are, of course, buried in Rhode Island!

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=46834458

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=46834542

Mary Ann Collins was Hal's sister, she married Tom C Clark's brother, Robert, in 1957. From post on first page of same thread as I am posting in :

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6463&view=findpost&p=219160

Robert Clark died in 1963, and the post linked directly above includes a news report of a robbery at Clark's widow's La Jolla home in the mid 1960's.

Background info on the family of Hal Collins, Jr. and his sister, Mary Ann Collins Clark :

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=v9q&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&biw=811&bih=495&q=+site:educationforum.ipbhost.com+%22education+forum%22+crazy+water+collins#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=PAr&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aunofficial&source=hp&q=site%3Aeducationforum.ipbhost.com%20%20%22crazy%20water%22%20collins&pbx=1&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=ea0e067728996111&biw=811&bih=495&pf=p&pdl=3000

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Sep 28, 2011 – V.A. Collins. He sold Ford cars across the state and was mayor of Taylor in Williamson County before buying the Crazy Water Company in ...

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Nov 21, 2010 – V.A. Collins. He sold Ford cars across the state and was mayor of Taylor in Williamson County before buying the Crazy Water Company in ...

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1%2Car%3A1&q=%22of+Dallas+daughters+Mary+Ann+Collins+Clark+of+La+Jolla%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=%22of+Dallas+daughters+Mary+Ann+Collins+Clark+of+La+Jolla%22&pbx=1&fp=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&cad=b

The Dallas Morning News : '42 GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE...

- Dallas Morning News - Nov 11, 1986

Collins is survived by two sons, Hal H. Collins Jr. of Houston, and Larry D. Collins of Dallas; daughters Mary Ann Collins Clark of La Jolla, Calif.,

Seems safe to state that Tom and Robert Clark were mobbed up :

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18178&st=0

Edited by Tom Scully

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(...and before the McAdamswikipediabots edited away some of the footnotes from the relevant section in the "Alleged Links to Organized Crime", segment of the wiki article :

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Ruby&oldid=413672205 )

Pauline and Hal, are, of course, buried in Rhode Island!

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=46834458

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=46834542

Mary Ann Collins was Hal's sister, she married Tom C Clark's brother, Robert, in 1957. From post on first page of same thread as I am posting in :

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6463&view=findpost&p=219160

Robert Clark died in 1963, and the post linked directly above includes a news report of a robbery at Clark's widow's La Jolla home in the min 1960's.

Background info on the family of Hal Collins, Jr. and his sister, Mary Ann Collins Clark :

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=v9q&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&biw=811&bih=495&q=+site:educationforum.ipbhost.com+%22education+forum%22+crazy+water+collins#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=PAr&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aunofficial&source=hp&q=site%3Aeducationforum.ipbhost.com%20%20%22crazy%20water%22%20collins&pbx=1&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=ea0e067728996111&biw=811&bih=495&pf=p&pdl=3000

Harry D Holmes - The Education Forum - Page 4

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Sep 28, 2011 – V.A. Collins. He sold Ford cars across the state and was mayor of Taylor in Williamson County before buying the Crazy Water Company in ...

Peter Dale Scott - The Education Forum - Page 2

educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16978&st=15

Nov 21, 2010 – V.A. Collins. He sold Ford cars across the state and was mayor of Taylor in Williamson County before buying the Crazy Water Company in ...

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1%2Car%3A1&q=%22of+Dallas+daughters+Mary+Ann+Collins+Clark+of+La+Jolla%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=%22of+Dallas+daughters+Mary+Ann+Collins+Clark+of+La+Jolla%22&pbx=1&fp=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&cad=b

The Dallas Morning News : '42 GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE...

- Dallas Morning News - Nov 11, 1986

Collins is survived by two sons, Hal H. Collins Jr. of Houston, and Larry D. Collins of Dallas; daughters Mary Ann Collins Clark of La Jolla, Calif.,

Seems safe to state that Tom and Robert Clark were mobbed up :

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18178&st=0

Good stuff, Tom. The 1963 La Jolla Bluebbok doesn't show a Hal Collins, but maybe he had a vacation home here which wasn't listed. Or maybe Murchison was in town during the assassination and Hal and Pauline were visiting him? Or maybe a friend in La Jolla sent the telegram for them, but why go to all that trouble unless it was just to make it look like they were here? Couldn't find a listing for a Robert Clark or a Mary Ann Clark or a Mary Ann Collins, either, but I only had enough time to look in a few Bluebooks today, including the one from 1963.

--Tommy

Edited by Thomas Graves

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(...and before the McAdamswikipediabots edited away some of the footnotes from the relevant section in the "Alleged Links to Organized Crime", segment of the wiki article :

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Ruby&oldid=413672205 )

[...]

Tom,

Thanks for including that, Tom!

I noticed that the list of footnotes is quite long (as, of course, one would expect seein' as how the subject matter is Jack Ruby). Pray tell, which ones do you recommend reading in regarding Hal Collins's connections to Ruby, the Mafia, the CIA, the FBI, etc etc?

--Tommy (AKA: " The Lazy 'Researcher' ")

Edited by Thomas Graves

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(...and before the McAdamswikipediabots edited away some of the footnotes from the relevant section in the "Alleged Links to Organized Crime", segment of the wiki article :

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Jack_Ruby&oldid=413672205 )

Pauline and Hal, are, of course, buried in Rhode Island!

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=46834458

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=46834542

Mary Ann Collins was Hal's sister, she married Tom C Clark's brother, Robert, in 1957. From post on first page of same thread as I am posting in :

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=6463&view=findpost&p=219160

Robert Clark died in 1963, and the post linked directly above includes a news report of a robbery at Clark's widow's La Jolla home in the min 1960's.

Background info on the family of Hal Collins, Jr. and his sister, Mary Ann Collins Clark :

https://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=v9q&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&biw=811&bih=495&q=+site:educationforum.ipbhost.com+%22education+forum%22+crazy+water+collins#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=PAr&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aunofficial&source=hp&q=site%3Aeducationforum.ipbhost.com%20%20%22crazy%20water%22%20collins&pbx=1&oq=&aq=&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=&gs_upl=&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=ea0e067728996111&biw=811&bih=495&pf=p&pdl=3000

Harry D Holmes - The Education Forum - Page 4

educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16815&st=45

Sep 28, 2011 – V.A. Collins. He sold Ford cars across the state and was mayor of Taylor in Williamson County before buying the Crazy Water Company in ...

Peter Dale Scott - The Education Forum - Page 2

educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16978&st=15

Nov 21, 2010 – V.A. Collins. He sold Ford cars across the state and was mayor of Taylor in Williamson County before buying the Crazy Water Company in ...

https://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1%2Car%3A1&q=%22of+Dallas+daughters+Mary+Ann+Collins+Clark+of+La+Jolla%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=%22of+Dallas+daughters+Mary+Ann+Collins+Clark+of+La+Jolla%22&pbx=1&fp=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&cad=b

The Dallas Morning News : '42 GUBERNATORIAL CANDIDATE...

- Dallas Morning News - Nov 11, 1986

Collins is survived by two sons, Hal H. Collins Jr. of Houston, and Larry D. Collins of Dallas; daughters Mary Ann Collins Clark of La Jolla, Calif.,

Seems safe to state that Tom and Robert Clark were mobbed up :

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=18178&st=0

Good stuff, Tom. The 1963 La Jolla Bluebbok doesn't show a Hal Collins, but maybe he had a vacation home here which wasn't listed. Or maybe Murchison was in town during the assassination and Hal and Pauline were visiting him? Or maybe a friend in La Jolla sent the telegram for them, but why go to all that trouble unless it was just to make it look like they were here? Couldn't find a listing for a Robert Clark or a Mary Ann Clark or a Mary Ann Collins, either, but I only had enough time to look in a few Bluebooks today, including the one from 1963.

--Tommy

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This is what is available of Mary Ann Collins Clark's address :

https://www.google.com/search?q=the+jail+and+mostkl8gems+were+recovered+1r+tMary+Ann+Clark+ol+t62orrey+Pines&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=Pnr&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aunofficial&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&source=hp&q=%22*Mary+Ann+Clark+ol+%22&pbx=1&oq=%22*Mary+Ann+Clark+ol+%22&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=5759l5759l7l7102l1l1l0l0l0l0l384l384l3-1l1l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=c299075f6ce7dbf7&biw=811&bih=495

Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - Nov 12, 1965

the jail and mostkl8gems were recovered 1r tMary Ann Clark ol t62orrey Pines Road La 4A1$3Iold police that a *la4Containing watch es ..

I assumed Hal and Pauline were visiting Hal's sister, Mary Ann in La Jolla on 22 November, 1963.

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