Steve Thomas Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 10 hours ago, Paul Brancato said: Steve - what's best conclusion to draw from the non existence of the 599th Ordinance Group? That Dinkins, in his 1964 statements to the FBI, lied, if the FBI report of 1964 is to be believed. Paul, I'm sorry, but I still think I'm with Larry Hancock on this. I'd like to see what unit Dinkin was supposed to be with and what his Military Occupational Specialty was supposed to be. For one thing, Dinkin was a private. From what I've read, privates don't do analysis. They might do intercepts, but they would forward that intercepted raw data on to someone else to do the analysis. And what "cable traffic" was Dinkin supposed to have intercepted? Shortwave radio? telegraph? Morse Code? Is there any indication in Dinkin's military record that he knew any of that? Look at the post by Thomas Graves on page 2 of this thread. Quote: " The Mary Ferrell website says that Dinkin was trained by the Army to be a "cryptographic code operator." "FWIW, "Cryptographic Code Operator" is not listed in this (unofficial) list of Vietnam War - era Army MOSes. http://ed-thelen.org/MOS-Vietnam-era.html Nor is it to be found in this list of Army MOSes from 1950: http://militaryyearbookproject.com/references/old-mos-codes/korean-war-era/army-mos-codes-korean-war-era" You might also want to look through the references that Peter Lemkin compiled in the Deep Politics Forum here: "Much needed bump and a bit 'o other details" https://deeppoliticsforum.com/forums/showthread.php?5734-The-strange-tale-of-eugene-dinkin-PRE-KNOWLEDGE#.WdMy-8ZryM8 10-05-2013, 02:15 PM DINKIN: DOB: 6/10/38. POB: Chicago, IL. US Army personnel in Metz said Dinkin first predicted JFK to be assassinated 11/28/63 and then changed it to 11/22/63. U.S. Army PFC, Serial # RA 76710292. Received discharge from US Army after 4 months detention for psychological testing. (See DINKINS) # RA 76710292, left his unit in Metz on 4 Nov 1963, day he was scheduled for psychiatric exam. Turned up in Geneva Nov 6-7 in Press Room of United Nations office. Told reporters he was being persecuted. (See DINKIN) CD 321-b,p.5, CIA 227-648, CD 788; CD 943; CD 1107, pp. 354-362; CIA 19-530; CIA 22-531; CIA 121-53; CIA 227-648 (re-released as JFK 104-10015-10231 , Lifton's pp. 134-137); CIA 699-305; JFK Collection List, pg. 41 (AMKW 79); Kennedy Conspiracy, Flammonde, p. 162; The Man Who Knew Too Much, Russell, pp. 553-557; 104-10400-10041 ; 104-10400-10042 ; 104-10400-10043 I'd like to see Dinkin's military service record. Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Hancock Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 OK, a little more detail....I worked with communications in the service....crypto guys were specialists in the machines themselves, mostly repairing and operations, it was a classified area, you did not even get into training without a TS. The machines did the coding and decoding and then you had cleared code clerks who simply handled, filed and circulated the message traffic. None of this has to do with signals intercept work which in Europe was done at two Air Force bases, one in Scotland and one in England. Those crypto machines were not all over the place, normally only in headquarters, since they were obviously high security. For what its worth, and strictly as third hand information, people who have talked with Dinkins relatives say that the only thing he talked about later were newspaper articles and his personal information only had collections of newspaper articles. Take that for what its worth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Thanks Steve and Larry and Jason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Sawtelle Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 Dinkin story is disinformation. Takes the heat off of the CIA. Typical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Ward Posted October 3, 2017 Share Posted October 3, 2017 9 minutes ago, George Sawtelle said: Dinkin story is disinformation. Takes the heat off of the CIA. Typical. Hi George, What evidence is there of disinformation deployed by or for the CIA relating to Dinkin? regards Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Sawtelle Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Jason Secret military communication, no matter how crypted it may be, would not be the form of communication used by the plotters of the assassination. Information like the assassination of the US president would be imparted by face to face communication. Assuming the US military wanted to inform NATO about the assassination. According to V Palamara, the messages, one intercepted in mid-October and one intercepted on 2 Nov, came from Western Europe. Now if the messages had come from the USA, I wouldn't have thought twice about it, but from Western Europe. Someone doctored the information provided in the Dinkin story. That is why I don't believe the story. I doubt anyone will find documentation that refutes the story. Only the person/s who planted the story know the truth and he/they aren't talking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 15 hours ago, George Sawtelle said: Jason Secret military communication, no matter how crypted it may be, would not be the form of communication used by the plotters of the assassination. Information like the assassination of the US president would be imparted by face to face communication. Assuming the US military wanted to inform NATO about the assassination. According to V Palamara, the messages, one intercepted in mid-October and one intercepted on 2 Nov, came from Western Europe. Now if the messages had come from the USA, I wouldn't have thought twice about it, but from Western Europe. Someone doctored the information provided in the Dinkin story. That is why I don't believe the story. I doubt anyone will find documentation that refutes the story. Only the person/s who planted the story know the truth and he/they aren't talking. George - what is the source for Palamara on intercepted messages, and what did they say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Sawtelle Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Paul I'm going by the original post. I don't know his source. This is typical CIA modus operandi. They spread lies to keep people in line. With the Dinkin affair it's the US military. They try to keep us in line by calling us conspiracy theorists, basically a bunch of kooks. They are looking for plausible deniability, that's all. And that is why they have been coming out with all their garbage lately and why they released documents early. They feel the heat. Edited October 4, 2017 by George Sawtelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 I see George. What still intrigues me about the story is the mention of OAS. Seems like a strange allegation coming so soon after (possibly before) the assassination. Certainly Dinkin didn't know that at least one Corsican assassin was in Dallas on Nov. 22. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Sawtelle Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Paul The corsican assassin is more sexy and intriguing than the boring american mafia assassin. The Dinkin story reads like a Hollywood movie script. A lone pfc fighting against all odds to get the story out that JFK will be killed. He goes AWOL to spread the word about the assassination but returns willfully and is not put into the brig for going AWOL (the article doesn't mention consequences for going AWOL). Pure Hollywood right out of the CIA playbook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Sure - maybe so. But the Corsican assassin story is not. I think the chain goes William Harvey contacts QJWIN because the mafia (Roselli) does not want to use an American hitman. Who do you suspect shot JFK? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Sawtelle Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Paul You think???? You are entitled to your opinion. I believe there were four gunmen in Dealey Plaza who fired at Kennedy. Two of the gunmen wounded him, in the back and in the throat, and a third fired the shot that hit him in the head`and killed him. A fourth gunman fired three shots, one shot hit Connally in the back, two shots missed the limo but one missed shot caused the nick on James Tague's cheek. A total of six shots were fired at Kennedy. I believe three of the gunmen were sent to Dealey Plaza by the american mafia and the fourth was the Oswald look-alike placed on the sixth floor by David Atlee Phillips. The above, the wounds and the number of shots, is based on my conclusion after studying the forensic evidence of the case given in D.B. Thomas's book "Hear No Evil". Edited October 5, 2017 by George Sawtelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Clark Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 (edited) Nov. 7 1963 doc., re: Dinkins https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32341383.pdf Nov. 8, 1963 https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32341388.pdf Nov. 11, 63 https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32341390.pdf Edited September 8, 2018 by Michael Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Brancato Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 14 minutes ago, Michael Clark said: Nov. 7 1963 doc., re: Dinkins https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32341383.pdf Nov. 8, 1963 https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32341388.pdf Nov. 11, 63 https://www.archives.gov/files/research/jfk/releases/docid-32341390.pdf Thanks Michael. Steve Thomas - if you’re reading this, what thread contains the discoveries we made recently on the 599th Ordinance Group? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Thomas Posted September 8, 2018 Share Posted September 8, 2018 34 minutes ago, Paul Brancato said: Thanks Michael. Steve Thomas - if you’re reading this, what thread contains the discoveries we made recently on the 599th Ordinance Group? Paul, Here is the Forum thread: Records release regarding intercepted messages By Cory Santos, http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/topic/25068-records-release-regarding-intercepted-messages/?_fromLogin=1 It was the discovery that Dinkin served in the 529th (not the 599th) Ordnance Group that set things off. There is a record of a 529th Ordnance Company. They were part of the 71st Ordnance Group, and were based in Massweiler, Germany. European Theater Ordnance Units & Activities, 1945 - 1989 https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/Ordnance/USAREUR_Ordnance%20Troop%20List.htm This web page has a brief history of the 71st Ordnance Group: https://www.usarmygermany.com/Sont.htm?https&&&www.usarmygermany.com/Units/Ordnance/USAREUR_Ordnance%20Troop%20List.htm Steve Thomas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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