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Thank you, Peter.

I haven't read Fonzi's book but maybe it was quoted on the Net somewhere. At least I know I'm not going totally balmy. :blink:

Cheers,

You haven't James?! I am surprised - only because I thought you would have really and there is a load of stuff on the cubans in there. :) One of the best books written imo on the case. I finished it in a few days whilst on holiday one time as I could not put it down once I started it. I think the other english/americans on the beach thought it a rather odd choice for holiday reading judging from the strange looks I got but still......

Good is the interview in there with Werbell. I always thought he was brave to meet him in person, sounds like a rather scary figure!

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Thank you, Peter.

I haven't read Fonzi's book but maybe it was quoted on the Net somewhere. At least I know I'm not going totally balmy. :blink:

Cheers,

You haven't James?! I am surprised - only because I thought you would have really and there is a load of stuff on the cubans in there. :) One of the best books written imo on the case. I finished it in a few days whilst on holiday one time as I could not put it down once I started it. I think the other english/americans on the beach thought it a rather odd choice for holiday reading judging from the strange looks I got but still......

Good is the interview in there with Werbell. I always thought he was brave to meet him in person, sounds like a rather scary figure!

Mitch was one of many many scary people in this whole affair-unlike many of the "supsects" always felt he was a real one

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During their talks De Mohrenschildt admitted that in 1962 he had been contacted by J. Walton Moore, who was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency in Dallas. De Mohrenschildt was asked by Moore to find out about Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. In return he was given help with an oil deal he was negotiating with Papa Doc Duvalier, the Haitian dictator. In March 1963, De Mohrenschildt got the contract from the Haitian government. He had assumed that this was because of the help he had given to the CIA.

Have any CIA documents been released that shed any light on J. Walton Moore and the information DeM provided him?

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During their talks De Mohrenschildt admitted that in 1962 he had been contacted by J. Walton Moore, who was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency in Dallas. De Mohrenschildt was asked by Moore to find out about Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. In return he was given help with an oil deal he was negotiating with Papa Doc Duvalier, the Haitian dictator. In March 1963, De Mohrenschildt got the contract from the Haitian government. He had assumed that this was because of the help he had given to the CIA.

So ol' George was doing an "oil deal" with Papa Doc?

He spent 14 years in Haiti on this "oil deal"?

Just one little problem with this scenario -- if there's oil

in Haiti no one has ever bothered to drill for it.

How does one spend 14 years on an "oil deal" that never

drilled for oil?

Edited by Cliff Varnell

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During their talks De Mohrenschildt admitted that in 1962 he had been contacted by J. Walton Moore, who was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency in Dallas. De Mohrenschildt was asked by Moore to find out about Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. In return he was given help with an oil deal he was negotiating with Papa Doc Duvalier, the Haitian dictator. In March 1963, De Mohrenschildt got the contract from the Haitian government. He had assumed that this was because of the help he had given to the CIA.

So ol' George was doing an "oil deal" with Papa Doc?

He spent 14 years in Haiti on this "oil deal"?

Just one little problem with this scenario -- if there's oil

in Haiti no one has ever bothered to drill for it.

How does one spend 14 years on an "oil deal" that never

drilled for oil?

From THE GREAT HEROIN COUP, by Henrik Kruger, pg 89:

(quote on)

[by 1970] [t]here were five main heroin export routes to the U.S.A.,

two by air and three by sea. The shipping lanes emanated from

Barcelona, Lisbon, and Antwerp and either ended in Brazil/Paraguay,

Haiti and the French West Indies, or went directly to the east coast

of the United States. Heroin smuggled into the U.S. from the French Antilles

and Haiti, like that from Paraguay, went via Florida or Mexico...

Heroin leaving Haiti, the Antilles, Nassau, and the Paraguay-based

Ricord Mob wound up in Florida, where Santo Trafficante, Jr. and the

Cuban Mafia controlled the drug business in an axis that became the

U.S.A.'s most powerful narcotics organization.

(quote off)

Edited by Cliff Varnell

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During their talks De Mohrenschildt admitted that in 1962 he had been contacted by J. Walton Moore, who was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency in Dallas. De Mohrenschildt was asked by Moore to find out about Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. In return he was given help with an oil deal he was negotiating with Papa Doc Duvalier, the Haitian dictator. In March 1963, De Mohrenschildt got the contract from the Haitian government. He had assumed that this was because of the help he had given to the CIA.

So ol' George was doing an "oil deal" with Papa Doc?

He spent 14 years in Haiti on this "oil deal"?

Just one little problem with this scenario -- if there's oil

in Haiti no one has ever bothered to drill for it.

How does one spend 14 years on an "oil deal" that never

drilled for oil?

From THE GREAT HEROIN COUP, by Henrik Kruger, pg 89:

(quote on)

[by 1970] [t]here were five main heroin export routes to the U.S.A.,

two by air and three by sea. The shipping lanes emanated from

Barcelona, Lisbon, and Antwerp and either ended in Brazil/Paraguay,

Haiti and the French West Indies, or went directly to the east coast

of the United States. Heroin smuggled into the U.S. from the French Antilles

and Haiti, like that from Paraguay, went via Florida or Mexico...

Heroin leaving Haiti, the Antilles, Nassau, and the Paraguay-based

Ricord Mob wound up in Florida, where Santo Trafficante, Jr. and the

Cuban Mafia controlled the drug business in an axis that became the

U.S.A.'s most powerful narcotics organization.

(quote off)

The real importance of Cuba.

The GREAT HEROIN COUP, Kruger, pg 89:

(quote on)

The tight control over the U.S. heroin market by the Cotronis of Montreal and Trafficante

of Tampa was a legacy of Meyer Lanksy and Lucky Luciano's reorganization of the U.S.

heroin market. Lanksy built himself a fantastic empire headquartered in Havana, and

literally governed Cuba over the head of dictator Fulgencio Batista. Lansky became the

world's uncrowned narcotics king. His decisions affected everyone, including the bigwigs

in France and Italy. He invested in the Marseilles labs and had the Corsicans reorganize

themselves more efficiently. When Castro drove him from Cuba, Lansky created a similar

gambling paradise in Nassau.

(quote off)

Alfred W. McCoy, THE POLITICS OF HEROIN, pp 40-41:

(quote on)

[Mafia capo di tutti capi Lucky] Luciano's 1947 visit to Cuba laid the

groundwork for Havana's subsequent role in international narcotics

smuggling traffic. Arriving in January, Luciano summoned the leaders

of American organized crime, including Meyer Lansky, to Havana for a

meeting and began paying extravagant bribes to prominent Cuban

officials as well..."Cuba was to be made the center of all international

narcotics operations." Harry J. Anslinger, director of the Federal

Bureau of Narcotics...

...By the early 1950s...[santo Trafficante Jr.]'s official position in Havana

was that of manager of the Sans Souci Casino, but he was far more

important than his title indicates. As his father's financial representative,

and ultimately Meyer Lansky's, Santo controlled much of Havana's

tourist industry and became quite close to the pre-Castro dictator

Fulgencio Batista. Moreover, it was reportedly his responsibility to

receive the bulk shipments of heroin from Europe and forward them

through Florida to New York and other major urban centers where their

distribution was assisted by local Mafia leaders.

(quote off)

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During their talks De Mohrenschildt admitted that in 1962 he had been contacted by J. Walton Moore, who was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency in Dallas. De Mohrenschildt was asked by Moore to find out about Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. In return he was given help with an oil deal he was negotiating with Papa Doc Duvalier, the Haitian dictator. In March 1963, De Mohrenschildt got the contract from the Haitian government. He had assumed that this was because of the help he had given to the CIA.

So ol' George was doing an "oil deal" with Papa Doc?

He spent 14 years in Haiti on this "oil deal"?

Just one little problem with this scenario -- if there's oil

in Haiti no one has ever bothered to drill for it.

How does one spend 14 years on an "oil deal" that never

drilled for oil?

From THE GREAT HEROIN COUP, by Henrik Kruger, pg 89:

(quote on)

[by 1970] [t]here were five main heroin export routes to the U.S.A.,

two by air and three by sea. The shipping lanes emanated from

Barcelona, Lisbon, and Antwerp and either ended in Brazil/Paraguay,

Haiti and the French West Indies, or went directly to the east coast

of the United States. Heroin smuggled into the U.S. from the French Antilles

and Haiti, like that from Paraguay, went via Florida or Mexico...

Heroin leaving Haiti, the Antilles, Nassau, and the Paraguay-based

Ricord Mob wound up in Florida, where Santo Trafficante, Jr. and the

Cuban Mafia controlled the drug business in an axis that became the

U.S.A.'s most powerful narcotics organization.

(quote off)

The real importance of Cuba.

The GREAT HEROIN COUP, Kruger, pg 89:

(quote on)

The tight control over the U.S. heroin market by the Cotronis of Montreal and Trafficante

of Tampa was a legacy of Meyer Lanksy and Lucky Luciano's reorganization of the U.S.

heroin market. Lanksy built himself a fantastic empire headquartered in Havana, and

literally governed Cuba over the head of dictator Fulgencio Batista. Lansky became the

world's uncrowned narcotics king. His decisions affected everyone, including the bigwigs

in France and Italy. He invested in the Marseilles labs and had the Corsicans reorganize

themselves more efficiently. When Castro drove him from Cuba, Lansky created a similar

gambling paradise in Nassau.

(quote off)

Alfred W. McCoy, THE POLITICS OF HEROIN, pp 40-41:

(quote on)

[Mafia capo di tutti capi Lucky] Luciano's 1947 visit to Cuba laid the

groundwork for Havana's subsequent role in international narcotics

smuggling traffic. Arriving in January, Luciano summoned the leaders

of American organized crime, including Meyer Lansky, to Havana for a

meeting and began paying extravagant bribes to prominent Cuban

officials as well..."Cuba was to be made the center of all international

narcotics operations." Harry J. Anslinger, director of the Federal

Bureau of Narcotics...

...By the early 1950s...[santo Trafficante Jr.]'s official position in Havana

was that of manager of the Sans Souci Casino, but he was far more

important than his title indicates. As his father's financial representative,

and ultimately Meyer Lansky's, Santo controlled much of Havana's

tourist industry and became quite close to the pre-Castro dictator

Fulgencio Batista. Moreover, it was reportedly his responsibility to

receive the bulk shipments of heroin from Europe and forward them

through Florida to New York and other major urban centers where their

distribution was assisted by local Mafia leaders.

(quote off)

So with all that heroin being funneled from Europe thru Cuba

into Florida, who do we find camped out in the Florida Straits

in 1957 and 1958?

Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency, with his

Zapata Off-Shore oil exploration company, an off-shoot of

Zapata Petroleum, the oil company Bush co-owned with the

Liedtke brothers until 1959.

From GEORGE BUSH: THE UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY,

by Webster Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin

http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm

(quote on)

The first asset of Zapata Offshore was the SCORPION, a $ 3.5 million deep-sea

drilling rig that was financed by $1.5 million from the initial stock sale plus

another $2 million from bonds marketed with the help of Uncle Herbie [Walker].

The SCORPION was the first three-legged self-elevating mobile drilling barge...

The SCORPION was delivered early in 1956, and was commissioned at Galveston

in March, 1956, and was put to work at exploratory drilling in the Gulf of Mexico

during the rest of the year.

...As for the SCORPION, during part of 1957 it was under contract to the

Bahama-California Oil Company, drilling between Florida and Cuba. It was then

leased by Gulf Oil and Standard Oil of California, on whose behalf it started drilling

during 1958 at a position on the Cay Sal Bank, 131 miles south of Miami, Florida,

and just 54 miles north of Isabela, Cuba. Cuba was an interesting place just then;

the US-backed insurgency of Fidel Castro was rapidly undermining the older

US-imposed regime of Fulgencio Batista. That meant that SCORPION was located

at a hot corner.

(quote off)

Odd thing about Zapata Offshore -- it never made any money.

Tarpley and Chaitkin describe the odd dynamic between Bush

and the "New York guys" (Harriman/Walker/Bush) and the Liedtkes

of Oklahoma.

(quote on)

During 1957 a certain divergence began to appear between Uncle Herbie Walker,

Bush, and the "New York guys" on the one hand, and the Liedtke brothers and their

Tulsa backers on the other. As the annual report for that year noted, "There is no

doubt that the drilling business in the Gulf of Mexico has become far more competitive

in the last six months than it has been at any time in the past." Despite that, Bush,

Walker and the New York investors wanted to push forward into the offshore drilling

and drilling services business, while the Liedtkes and the Tulsa group wanted to

concentrate on acquiring oil in the ground and natural gas deposits.

The 1958 annual report notes that with no major discoveries made, 1958 had been

"a difficult year." It was, of course, the year of the brutal Eisenhower recession.

SCOPRPION, VINEGAROON, and NOLA I, the offshore company's three drilling rigs,

could not be kept fully occupied in the Gulf of Mexico during the whole year, and so

Zapata Offshore had lost $524,441, more than Zapata Petroleum's own loss of

$427,752 for that year. The Liedtke viewpoint was reflected in the notation that

"disposing of the offshore business had been considered." The great tycoon Bush

conceded in the Zapata Offshore annual report for 1958: "We erroneously predicted

that most major [oil] companies would have active drilling programs for 1958. These

drilling programs simply did not materialize..."

(quote off)

So the Oklahoma boys kept the oil production side of the business and

the New York guys kept the never profitable Zapata Off-shore.

Did Zapata Off-shore's "drilling services business" include sending maintenance

boats out to the drilling platforms and back to the mainland without customs

checks of any kind?

It was an ideal set-up for anyone inclined to run smuggling operations.

The Liedtke's went on to great success with Zapata Petroleum; George Bush

got out of Zapata Off-shore in 1966 to devote full-time to Texas politics.

Why would shrewd businessmen like Bunny Harriman and George Herbert

Walker pour money into an unprofitable business, Zapata Offshore, and favor

that business over one that had so much more potential, Zapata Petroleum?

Edited by Cliff Varnell

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During their talks De Mohrenschildt admitted that in 1962 he had been contacted by J. Walton Moore, who was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency in Dallas. De Mohrenschildt was asked by Moore to find out about Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. In return he was given help with an oil deal he was negotiating with Papa Doc Duvalier, the Haitian dictator. In March 1963, De Mohrenschildt got the contract from the Haitian government. He had assumed that this was because of the help he had given to the CIA.

So ol' George was doing an "oil deal" with Papa Doc?

He spent 14 years in Haiti on this "oil deal"?

Just one little problem with this scenario -- if there's oil

in Haiti no one has ever bothered to drill for it.

How does one spend 14 years on an "oil deal" that never

drilled for oil?

From THE GREAT HEROIN COUP, by Henrik Kruger, pg 89:

(quote on)

[by 1970] [t]here were five main heroin export routes to the U.S.A.,

two by air and three by sea. The shipping lanes emanated from

Barcelona, Lisbon, and Antwerp and either ended in Brazil/Paraguay,

Haiti and the French West Indies, or went directly to the east coast

of the United States. Heroin smuggled into the U.S. from the French Antilles

and Haiti, like that from Paraguay, went via Florida or Mexico...

Heroin leaving Haiti, the Antilles, Nassau, and the Paraguay-based

Ricord Mob wound up in Florida, where Santo Trafficante, Jr. and the

Cuban Mafia controlled the drug business in an axis that became the

U.S.A.'s most powerful narcotics organization.

(quote off)

The real importance of Cuba.

The GREAT HEROIN COUP, Kruger, pg 89:

(quote on)

The tight control over the U.S. heroin market by the Cotronis of Montreal and Trafficante

of Tampa was a legacy of Meyer Lanksy and Lucky Luciano's reorganization of the U.S.

heroin market. Lanksy built himself a fantastic empire headquartered in Havana, and

literally governed Cuba over the head of dictator Fulgencio Batista. Lansky became the

world's uncrowned narcotics king. His decisions affected everyone, including the bigwigs

in France and Italy. He invested in the Marseilles labs and had the Corsicans reorganize

themselves more efficiently. When Castro drove him from Cuba, Lansky created a similar

gambling paradise in Nassau.

(quote off)

Alfred W. McCoy, THE POLITICS OF HEROIN, pp 40-41:

(quote on)

[Mafia capo di tutti capi Lucky] Luciano's 1947 visit to Cuba laid the

groundwork for Havana's subsequent role in international narcotics

smuggling traffic. Arriving in January, Luciano summoned the leaders

of American organized crime, including Meyer Lansky, to Havana for a

meeting and began paying extravagant bribes to prominent Cuban

officials as well..."Cuba was to be made the center of all international

narcotics operations." Harry J. Anslinger, director of the Federal

Bureau of Narcotics...

...By the early 1950s...[santo Trafficante Jr.]'s official position in Havana

was that of manager of the Sans Souci Casino, but he was far more

important than his title indicates. As his father's financial representative,

and ultimately Meyer Lansky's, Santo controlled much of Havana's

tourist industry and became quite close to the pre-Castro dictator

Fulgencio Batista. Moreover, it was reportedly his responsibility to

receive the bulk shipments of heroin from Europe and forward them

through Florida to New York and other major urban centers where their

distribution was assisted by local Mafia leaders.

(quote off)

So with all that heroin being funneled from Europe thru Cuba

into Florida, who do we find camped out in the Florida Straits

in 1957 and 1958?

Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency, with his

Zapata Off-Shore oil exploration company, an off-shoot of

Zapata Petroleum, the oil company Bush co-owned with the

Liedtke brothers until 1959.

From GEORGE BUSH: THE UNAUTHORIZED BIOGRAPHY,

by Webster Tarpley and Anton Chaitkin

http://www.tarpley.net/bush8.htm

(quote on)

The first asset of Zapata Offshore was the SCORPION, a $ 3.5 million deep-sea

drilling rig that was financed by $1.5 million from the initial stock sale plus

another $2 million from bonds marketed with the help of Uncle Herbie [Walker].

The SCORPION was the first three-legged self-elevating mobile drilling barge...

The SCORPION was delivered early in 1956, and was commissioned at Galveston

in March, 1956, and was put to work at exploratory drilling in the Gulf of Mexico

during the rest of the year.

...As for the SCORPION, during part of 1957 it was under contract to the

Bahama-California Oil Company, drilling between Florida and Cuba. It was then

leased by Gulf Oil and Standard Oil of California, on whose behalf it started drilling

during 1958 at a position on the Cay Sal Bank, 131 miles south of Miami, Florida,

and just 54 miles north of Isabela, Cuba. Cuba was an interesting place just then;

the US-backed insurgency of Fidel Castro was rapidly undermining the older

US-imposed regime of Fulgencio Batista. That meant that SCORPION was located

at a hot corner.

(quote off)

Odd thing about Zapata Offshore -- it never made any money.

Tarpley and Chaitkin describe the odd dynamic between Bush

and the "New York guys" (Harriman/Walker/Bush) and the Liedtkes

of Oklahoma.

(quote on)

During 1957 a certain divergence began to appear between Uncle Herbie Walker,

Bush, and the "New York guys" on the one hand, and the Liedtke brothers and their

Tulsa backers on the other. As the annual report for that year noted, "There is no

doubt that the drilling business in the Gulf of Mexico has become far more competitive

in the last six months than it has been at any time in the past." Despite that, Bush,

Walker and the New York investors wanted to push forward into the offshore drilling

and drilling services business, while the Liedtkes and the Tulsa group wanted to

concentrate on acquiring oil in the ground and natural gas deposits.

The 1958 annual report notes that with no major discoveries made, 1958 had been

"a difficult year." It was, of course, the year of the brutal Eisenhower recession.

SCOPRPION, VINEGAROON, and NOLA I, the offshore company's three drilling rigs,

could not be kept fully occupied in the Gulf of Mexico during the whole year, and so

Zapata Offshore had lost $524,441, more than Zapata Petroleum's own loss of

$427,752 for that year. The Liedtke viewpoint was reflected in the notation that

"disposing of the offshore business had been considered." The great tycoon Bush

conceded in the Zapata Offshore annual report for 1958: "We erroneously predicted

that most major [oil] companies would have active drilling programs for 1958. These

drilling programs simply did not materialize..."

(quote off)

So the Oklahoma boys kept the oil production side of the business and

the New York guys kept the never profitable Zapata Off-shore.

Did Zapata Off-shore's "drilling services business" include sending maintenance

boats out to the drilling platforms and back to the mainland without customs

checks of any kind?

It was an ideal set-up for anyone inclined to run smuggling operations.

The Liedtke's went on to great success with Zapata Petroleum; George Bush

got out of Zapata Off-shore in 1966 to devote full-time to Texas politics.

Why would shrewd businessmen like Bunny Harriman and George Herbert

Walker pour money into an unprofitable business, Zapata Offshore, and favor

that business over one that had so much more potential, Zapata Petroleum?

George Bush got in bed with the CIA from the git-go, co-founding (with

the Liedtke brothers) Zapata Petroleum along with a CIA operative named

Thomas J. Devine.

http://realnews.org/rn/content/zapata.html

Devine officially worked on a CIA operation called WUBRINY.

From the 11/29/75 CIA memo:

(quote on)

“Mr George Bush [the CIA director-designate] has prior knowledge of the now

terminated project WUBRINY/LPDICTUM which was involved in proprietary

commercial operations in Europe.”

(quote off)

An Agency man code-named WUBRINY/1 relates in these memos meeting

a George DeMohrenschildt and a Clemard Joseph Charles in April of 1963.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...c.do?docId=8627

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/....do?docId=32361

It appears that WUBRINY was involved in commercial operations in

both Europe and Haiti.

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During their talks De Mohrenschildt admitted that in 1962 he had been contacted by J. Walton Moore, who was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency in Dallas. De Mohrenschildt was asked by Moore to find out about Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. In return he was given help with an oil deal he was negotiating with Papa Doc Duvalier, the Haitian dictator. In March 1963, De Mohrenschildt got the contract from the Haitian government. He had assumed that this was because of the help he had given to the CIA.

So ol' George was doing an "oil deal" with Papa Doc?

He spent 14 years in Haiti on this "oil deal"?

Just one little problem with this scenario -- if there's oil

in Haiti no one has ever bothered to drill for it.

How does one spend 14 years on an "oil deal" that never

drilled for oil?

Cliff,

The idea was to build an oil refinery in Haiti. In 1964, Mohammed Fayed visited Haiti and handed out a business card

"that associated him with a Kuwait oil company. ... Fayed recieved exclusive contracts which gave him control of the oil industry, shipping and the port. He agreed to invest $1 million within two years in an oil refinery and $5 million within four years on a variety of harbor-improvement programs. In addition to his oil concession he was named sole shipping agent for 12 steamship companies serving Haiti. Besides these agent fees he collected wharfage fees that previously went to the government, and he quickly increased these fees. Among his other accomplishments, he became a Haitian citizen in a matter of months although normally a ten-year residency is required. To improve the harbor, Fayed set out buoy markers, hired a British harbor master, and put lights on the pier.

He ran into opposition from the West India Trans-Atlantic Conference and the United States-Gulf-Haitian conference of shippers, who protested to Duvalier. At a meeting of the conference Fayed did not show up and Duvalier said he was searching world capitals for Fayed and acknowledged that a large sum of money had left Haiti with him. Fayed's bank accounts were frozen too late. The local manager of a bank where he did business was ousted from the country on the excuse that he had expressed antigovernment views.

The arrival of Fayed and other foreign investors in Haiti prompted Richard Elder of The New York Times to write:

'Both business and dilomatic circles have been paying close attention to the arrival over the past year of a series of visitors who let it be known that they plan to invest large amounts of money here. These visitors have in common a lack of much conventionally traceable business background and close connections with one [Haitian] overnment official or another.'

Fayed's connection was Clemard Charles, Duvalier's banker. Charles received a government concession on automobile insurance and Fayed assisted him with it..... Fayed's oil concession went to him only after an American company, the Valentine Petroleum and Chemical Corporation, had its representative expelled from the country and its contract to build a refinery canceled. Valentine had an investment guarantee from the U.S. Agency for International Development, and tried to sue the United States to collect $817,000 in damages. (The president of the company said that the United States offered him a settlement 'so small it's ridiculous.' "

From Papa Doc: Haiti and Its Dictator. Bernard Diederich and Al Bart, The Bodley Head, 1969, pp. 383-385

Peter Fokes

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During their talks De Mohrenschildt admitted that in 1962 he had been contacted by J. Walton Moore, who was employed by the Central Intelligence Agency in Dallas. De Mohrenschildt was asked by Moore to find out about Oswald's time in the Soviet Union. In return he was given help with an oil deal he was negotiating with Papa Doc Duvalier, the Haitian dictator. In March 1963, De Mohrenschildt got the contract from the Haitian government. He had assumed that this was because of the help he had given to the CIA.

So ol' George was doing an "oil deal" with Papa Doc?

He spent 14 years in Haiti on this "oil deal"?

Just one little problem with this scenario -- if there's oil

in Haiti no one has ever bothered to drill for it.

How does one spend 14 years on an "oil deal" that never

drilled for oil?

Cliff,

The idea was to build an oil refinery in Haiti.

Peter, I'm not sure if DeMohrenschildt was part of that deal.

According to Edward Jay Epstein it was an "oil exploration deal" that DeM

arranged with Duvalier.

A point of correction: DeM spent not 14 years in Haiti working on this

non-existent "oil exploration," but 10+.

http://www.edwardjayepstein.com/diary/dem.htm

(quote on)

In late 1961— De Mohrenschildt could not pinpoint the date— he said had a lunchtime

meeting in downtown Dallas with one of these connections; J. Walter Moore. Moore

steered their conversation to the city of Minsk, where, as Moore seemed to know even

before he told him, De Mohrenschildt had spent his childhood. Moore worked for the CIA's

domestic contact service in Dallas. He told De Mohrenschildt about an ex-American Marine

who had worked in an electronics factory in Minsk for the past year, Lee Harvey Oswald,

who was returning to the Dallas area. Although no specific requests were made by Moore,

De Mohrenschildt gathered that Moore would be appreciative to learn more about Oswald's

activities in Minsk.At this time, he was extremely busy trying to arrange for Papa Doc

Duvalier, the Haitian dictator, to approve his oil exploration deal in that country. Some

help from the U.S. Embassy in Haiti would be greatly appreciated by him, he suggested

to Moore. Although he recognized that there was no quid pro quo, he hoped that he might

receive the same sort of tacit assistance that he had previously received in Yugoslavia.

"I would never have contacted Oswald in a million years, if Moore had not sanctioned it,"

he explained to me. "Too much was at stake."

(quote off)

DeM and Charles also acquired a stake in a sisal plantation, but according to

Gaeton Fonzi this was "a derelict operation they never went near." (THE LAST

INVESTIGATION, pg 313 fn)

So the question remains -- why did George DeMohrenschildt spend 10+ years

in Haiti when there was no oil to show for this "oil exploration deal"?

In 1964, Mohammed Fayed visited Haiti and handed out a business card

"that associated him with a Kuwait oil company. ... Fayed recieved exclusive contracts which gave him control of the oil industry, shipping and the port. He agreed to invest $1 million within two years in an oil refinery and $5 million within four years on a variety of harbor-improvement programs. In addition to his oil concession he was named sole shipping agent for 12 steamship companies serving Haiti. Besides these agent fees he collected wharfage fees that previously went to the government, and he quickly increased these fees. Among his other accomplishments, he became a Haitian citizen in a matter of months although normally a ten-year residency is required. To improve the harbor, Fayed set out buoy markers, hired a British harbor master, and put lights on the pier.

He ran into opposition from the West India Trans-Atlantic Conference and the United States-Gulf-Haitian conference of shippers, who protested to Duvalier. At a meeting of the conference Fayed did not show up and Duvalier said he was searching world capitals for Fayed and acknowledged that a large sum of money had left Haiti with him. Fayed's bank accounts were frozen too late. The local manager of a bank where he did business was ousted from the country on the excuse that he had expressed antigovernment views.

The arrival of Fayed and other foreign investors in Haiti prompted Richard Elder of The New York Times to write:

'Both business and dilomatic circles have been paying close attention to the arrival over the past year of a series of visitors who let it be known that they plan to invest large amounts of money here. These visitors have in common a lack of much conventionally traceable business background and close connections with one [Haitian]government official or another.'

So in '63 and '64 a series of visitors arrived in Haiti with plans to invest large

sums of money in that country.

These visitors lacked a "conventionally traceable business background,"

but they all had close connections to Haitian government officials.

And by the end of the decade Haiti would be one of the main conduits

for heroin smuggling into the U.S.

Co-incidence?

Fayed's connection was Clemard Charles, Duvalier's banker. Charles received a government concession on automobile insurance and Fayed assisted him with it..... Fayed's oil concession went to him only after an American company, the Valentine Petroleum and Chemical Corporation, had its representative expelled from the country and its contract to build a refinery canceled. Valentine had an investment guarantee from the U.S. Agency for International Development, and tried to sue the United States to collect $817,000 in damages. (The president of the company said that the United States offered him a settlement 'so small it's ridiculous.' "

From Papa Doc: Haiti and Its Dictator. Bernard Diederich and Al Bart, The Bodley Head, 1969, pp. 383-385

Peter Fokes

Edited by Cliff Varnell

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Guest John Gillespie

TO GET A REAL HANDLE ON GEORGE DEMOHRENSCHILT, YOU MUST READ HIS MANUSCRIPT "I'M A PATSY! I'M A PATSY!" - PUBLISHED AS PART OF THE HSCA RECORDS.

BK

Here is the link: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/jfkinfo4/jfk12/hscapatsy.htm

Once again, McAdams to the rescue.

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Raymond,

This monitor mists from your applied irony. Well done.

JG

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Guest John Gillespie
TO GET A REAL HANDLE ON GEORGE DEMOHRENSCHILT, YOU MUST READ HIS MANUSCRIPT "I'M A PATSY! I'M A PATSY!" - PUBLISHED AS PART OF THE HSCA RECORDS.

BK

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Oops, that was your irony, Bill. Shoulda figured...

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No one has published more research on George de Mohrenschildt than Bruce Campbell Adamson. Currently he offers eleven books on de Mohrenschildt and his connections:

http://www.ciajfk.com/demohrenschildt.html

On Adamson's site I found references to Filmmaker Michael Moore, and references to filmstar Roger Moore, but no reference to CIA man J. Walton Moore, who was DeMohrenschildts primary government contact during the time of DeM's contact with Lee Oswald.

At $23 a pop, Is this guy Adamson operating a racket aimed at fleecing gullible people?

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No one has published more research on George de Mohrenschildt than Bruce Campbell Adamson. Currently he offers eleven books on de Mohrenschildt and his connections:

http://www.ciajfk.com/demohrenschildt.html

Thank you, Michael.

From the website...

(quote on)

Adamson asserts that de Mohrenschildt, prior to his death, told a close

friend that a number of oilmen, FBI and CIA agents were behind the

JFK assassination.

(quote off)

One of those oilmen appears to have been the 41st President of these

United States.

George Herbert Walker Bush pops up all over -- maybe even standing in

front of the TSBD on Eleven Twenty Two.

Poppy.

Every detail of the plot Poppy worked on or otherwise knew about was

reported back to W. Averell Harriman, or so I'd speculate.

I'll argue that the "New York guys," Harriman-Rockefeller-Morgan,

approved of the JFK assassination as a contingency plan.

They all wanted Cuba back -- badly.

Allen Dulles would have been the other Yankee "eyes-'n-ears" on the

assassination-planning team.

But in May of '63 Harriman opened back channel discussions with Castro;

McGeorge Bundy took point.

http://www.cuban-exile.com/doc_026-050/doc0027-2.html

If the JFK assassination had been successful -- the patsy pinned on Castro

and thus precipitating a US invasion in "retaliation" -- then the New York boys

and the Texas boys would all have profited from the return of a smuggler-friendly

Cuban gov't, as they had with Batista.

I'll argue that Harriman was looking to cut a deal with Castro that would

effectively cut the "Texas boys" out of the loop as far as ramping up the

Cuba-to-Florida smuggling funnel.

Harriman did his best to warn Kennedy to stay out of Dallas, I'd speculate.

As quoted in Larry Hancock's SOMEONED WOULD HAVE TALKED,

Marty Underwood, Democratic National Committee Political Advance Man:

(quote on)

We were getting all sorts of rumors that the President was going to be

assassinated in Dallas; there were no if's, and's, or but's about it.

(quote off)

I'll argue going forward that Harriman was the source of these leaks, that

Harriman had no need to change the status quo in Washington since he was

the dominant force in American foreign policy, not JFK.

After all, Harriman ordered the overthrow of Diem over Bobby's objections.

Harriman had his own State Dept. foreign policy shop and Kennedy was

dancing to his tune.

Iow, around the Harriman house NSAM 263 was used as toilet paper.

Even had he lived, JFK would have faced a Gulf of Tonkin Incident right

before the kick-off of the '64 Prez campaign, and the US military would

have been drawn into SE Asia as per Harriman's orders -- or so I'd have

to speculate.

For a bead on Harriman I strongly recommend Debra Conway's work

"Versions of Truth":

http://www.jfklancer.com/dallas05/ppt/conw...ersions.ppt.htm

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