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If the CIA was involved at all, in any way, in the Kennedy murder, it was not taking orders from, or acting in the exclusive interests of, or beholden to, or doing the bidding of, or reduced to a parity with, or in any way junior to:

• Texas oil men

• Texas politicians

• The Vice President of the United States

• Pro-Castro forces

• Anti-Castro forces

• Cubans

• Castro

• The Mafia, or any part thereof

So was the CIA involved or not?

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If the CIA was involved at all, in any way, in the Kennedy murder, it was not taking orders from, or acting in the exclusive interests of, or beholden to, or doing the bidding of, or reduced to a parity with, or in any way junior to:

• Texas oil men

• Texas politicians

• The Vice President of the United States

• Pro-Castro forces

• Anti-Castro forces

• Cubans

• Castro

• The Mafia, or any part thereof

So was the CIA involved or not?

Ashton Gray

Ashton:

Of course they were. JFK was angering them and even desiring to abolish them: "scatter them in thousand pieces" After he fired Dulles and Cabal he began making plans for detente with Cuba, while the CIA was trying to murder Castro. There is no doubt that these plans were discovered. CIA agent Gary Underhill claimed that he knew that the CIA was very involved and told friends of this, also told them he was in fear of his own life. Died in May 1964- gunshot. "Suicide", of course, except the wrong hand was used. That old sense of humor thing :)

If the CIA was not heavily involved in this murder, why were all avenues to CIA records slammed during HSCA? Sprague was going to go after these scum. But Sprague got the axe. Blakey- Mr. the- mafia- did it- came in with a

predisposition to this particular solution of the case. Even with that, HSCA mainly rubber stamped the WC, except that they said there was a conspiracy "probably Mafia" that LHO fired the 3 shots, that there was a 4th shot that "missed". Ya sure.

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If the CIA was involved at all, in any way, in the Kennedy murder, it was not taking orders from, or acting in the exclusive interests of, or beholden to, or doing the bidding of, or reduced to a parity with, or in any way junior to:

• Texas oil men

• Texas politicians

• The Vice President of the United States

• Pro-Castro forces

• Anti-Castro forces

• Cubans

• Castro

• The Mafia, or any part thereof

So was the CIA involved or not?

Ashton Gray

Ashton:

Of course they were. JFK was angering them and even desiring to abolish them: "scatter them in thousand pieces" After he fired Dulles and Cabal he began making plans for detente with Cuba, while the CIA was trying to murder Castro. There is no doubt that these plans were discovered. CIA agent Gary Underhill claimed that he knew that the CIA was very involved and told friends of this, also told them he was in fear of his own life. Died in May 1964- gunshot. "Suicide", of course, except the wrong hand was used. That old sense of humor thing :)

If the CIA was not heavily involved in this murder, why were all avenues to CIA records slammed during HSCA? Sprague was going to go after these scum. But Sprague got the axe. Blakey- Mr. the- mafia- did it- came in with a

predisposition to this particular solution of the case. Even with that, HSCA mainly rubber stamped the WC, except that they said there was a conspiracy "probably Mafia" that LHO fired the 3 shots, that there was a 4th shot that "missed". Ya sure.

Dawn

I must agree with Dawn. The CIA was indebted to the men who created it

and used it as their own "private army" around the world. Entities such as

"United Fruit" come to mind. Google UNITED FRUIT CIA to see what I mean.

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So was the CIA involved or not?

Ashton Gray

Is this a trick question? :)

On a serious note I think this question is designed to generate a discussion

as to who done it. As interesting and illuminating as it would be to learn the answer to this question

I think that The Company, et al, has provided so many false trails and rabbit holes that we have been

chasing our tails these last 43 years in an attempt to learn the *who* when I think we now need to

continue this valid pursuit, but also put a lot of focus on trying to educate the masses about why he was killed and who did NOT kill him. The big lie. That the mass media continues to tell. Yet, as long as I can remember huge numbers of people - at one point nearly 90%- feel that the truth about 11/22/63 was not told. People have been dumbed- down by the whoring media but poeple can smell a rat.

The other important aspect to consider is why this is still important today- that it was a coup d etat and the forces that pulled this off are now in the process of ascertaining that the Constitution be shredded.

We may never get the killers but we must still seek justice.

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If the CIA was involved at all, in any way, in the Kennedy murder, it was not taking orders from, or acting in the exclusive interests of, or beholden to, or doing the bidding of, or reduced to a parity with, or in any way junior to:

• Texas oil men

• Texas politicians

• The Vice President of the United States

• Pro-Castro forces

• Anti-Castro forces

• Cubans

• Castro

• The Mafia, or any part thereof

So was the CIA involved or not?

Ashton Gray

Oh hell yes and twernt no "rouge" elements. Twas CIA all the way.

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If the CIA was involved at all, in any way, in the Kennedy murder, it was not taking orders from, or acting in the exclusive interests of, or beholden to, or doing the bidding of, or reduced to a parity with, or in any way junior to:

• Texas oil men

• Texas politicians

• The Vice President of the United States

• Pro-Castro forces

• Anti-Castro forces

• Cubans

• Castro

• The Mafia, or any part thereof

So was the CIA involved or not?

Ashton Gray

Oh hell yes and twernt no "rouge" elements.

:):ice

Twas CIA all the way.

Ashton

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So was the CIA involved or not?

Ashton Gray

Is this a trick question? :)

Not at all.

On a serious note I think this question is designed to generate a discussion as to who done it.
To secularly quote a religious source:

  • "His winnowing fork is in his hand. He will clean up his threshing floor and gather his grain into the barn, but he will burn the chaff with his inextinguishable fire."
    —Matthew 3:12

We may never get the killers but we must still seek justice.

Yes, we must.

Ashton

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If the CIA was involved at all, in any way, in the Kennedy murder, it was not taking orders from, or acting in the exclusive interests of, or beholden to, or doing the bidding of, or reduced to a parity with, or in any way junior to:

• Texas oil men

• Texas politicians

• The Vice President of the United States

• Pro-Castro forces

• Anti-Castro forces

• Cubans

• Castro

• The Mafia, or any part thereof

So was the CIA involved or not?

Ashton Gray

Oh hell yes and twernt no "rouge" elements.

:):ice

Twas CIA all the way.
Ashton

Oh, common guys and gals.....some of the others mentioned played bit parts in the piece......

Thank you, Peter. To say that the CIA did it on its own and not as part of a policy designed or co-ordinated with one of the groups listed above is juvenile and idiotic, in my opinion. You might as well say the BOOGEYMAN did it. To say that the CIA as an organization did it is to say that John McCone ordered Kennedy's death, and that Barnes, Hunt, Phillips, Morales, Robertson, etc were just taking orders from above. I see no reason to think these men, who had reputations for exceeding their authority, were so gosh-darned loyal to anything beyond their determined hatred of communism. Hunt, Morales and Robertson had huge emotional investments in the anti-Castro cause. Barnes hated Kennedy for blaming Dulles and Bissell for the Bay of Pigs. Barnes sent guns to anti-Trujillo forces in a diplomatic pouch and gave orders to the embassy not to tell the state department. Robertson, without receiving any orders to do so, bombed a British ship during the Guatemalan operation. These men were cowboys.

I find it quite curious that Mr. Gray, who came to this forum insisting that Nixon was framed in the Watergate affair, is now dipping his toes in the Kennedy assassination, and insisting upon Johnson's innocence. Ashton, what is it about Washington that makes you think that corrupt scumbags intent on performing horrible acts end up only at Langley? Is there a force-field stopping such monsters from entering the city limits? If you could list the presidential crimes of recent history, and the impeachable offenses performed by Richard Nixon, you'd have a lot more credibility, IMO. Like you care, I know...

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I must agree with Dawn. The CIA was indebted to the men who created it

and used it as their own "private army" around the world. Entities such as

"United Fruit" come to mind. Google UNITED FRUIT CIA to see what I mean.

Jack

An observation with a great deal of reason and rationale to back it up.

Ashton

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................Hunt, Morales and Robertson had huge emotional investments in the anti-Castro cause. Barnes hated Kennedy for blaming Dulles and Bissell for the Bay of Pigs. Barnes sent guns to anti-Trujillo forces in a diplomatic pouch and gave orders to the embassy not to tell the state department. Robertson, without receiving any orders to do so, bombed a British ship during the Guatemalan operation. These men were cowboys..............

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"Rip" Robertson was never a pilot, nor did he "sink a ship in Guatemala" (1954 Guatemaltazo)!!

Jerry Fred DeLarm was initially blamed for the sinking of the Brit "Coffee" merchantman, but in reality it was "Freddy" Shoup who dive-bombed the vessel and sent it to the bottom of the harbor-port at San Jose. Worse, this port is on the Pacific Ocean side of Guatemala, NOT the Caribbean side -- where a ship from Europe would be offloading, i.e., at either Puerto Barrios or Matias de Gálvez !!

As you will see below, when the "Soccer War" (El Salvador vs: Honduras) got underway during 1969, all of the "good ol' boys were back in action once again.

Chairs,

GPH

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http://www.statecraft.org/chapter5.html

On 18 June, Castillo Armas crossed into Guatemala from Honduras at the head of a force probably numbering less than 300 men. Although well-armed with Bren guns, mortars, and even flamethrowers, the unopposed "Liberation Army" halted just inside Guatemala in the town of Esquipulas, known then for its shrine to the Black Christ (and later also as a place of pilgrimage to honor the "Liberation").13

The Liberacionistas waited in Esquipulas while the real "war" was waged by American pilots and assorted mercenaries in aircraft. Those in charge included Whiting Willauer, a World War II veteran of irregular air warfare who had served as General Claire Chennault's deputy in the Flying Tigers. 14 At dawn on 18 June, a group of B-26 bombers and three P-47 fighters appeared above Guatemala City, dropped leaflets, and then began strafing and bombing runs.

Targets were selected largely for their psychological effect: military drill areas, ammunition dumps, oil storage tanks. One of the pilots, American Jerry DeLarm, later told NBC's John Chancellor how he "blew up the government oil reserves and subsequently when the political situation was up in the air and required decisive action-the main powder magazine of the army."15

Although unable to induce the Guatemalan army to fight, apart from some desultory antiaircraft fire, Arbenz held on to his precarious office for nine days. Castillo Armas and his "army" stayed put in Esquipulas unmolested, while U.S. air power continued a steady diet of harassing raids on the capital and the port of San José (sinking the British freighter Springfjord in the process).

Despite the lack of opposition in the air, the small "Liberation" air wing suffered from attrition in the first days of the operation, with several aircraft crash-landing (some sources refer to two having been shot down, although no casualties were ever acknowledged). CIA requests for replacements required a presidential decision, although U.S. Air Force planes were standing by in Nicaragua, apparently for just such a contingency. Rapidly "reflagged," the aircraft were soon in the air over Guatemala City keeping up the pressure.

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http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_162.shtml

The rebel „air force“ came into existence during March 1954, when two C-47s were provided „on loan“ from Civilian Air Transport (CAT) – a CIA-owned airline – and another one purchased in Washington DC. All three Dakotas were flown to Managua, in Nicaragua, from where they were used for flying supply missions for the „Liberation Army“, as the CIA-controlled rebel force became known.

As next, a number of surplus combat and transport aircraft was acquired through a front company set up as „charitable foundation“ in Miami, including one Lockheed P-38 Lightning, a Cessna 140 and 180 each, and a Consolidated PBY-5A flying boat. The aircraft were flown to a small airfield in Honduras, and the CIA then began searching for pilots, eventually recruiting Fred Sherwood, former US Air Attaché with the US Embassy in Guatemala and ex-UFC pilot, as the chief of the new force. Sherwood was soon joined by two other pilots, Fred DeLarm and Carlos Cheeseman, both veteran Republic P-47 Thunderbolt-pilots from the Pacific theatre in WWII.

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Meanwhile, Guatemala was put under a sea blockade by the US Navy warships. Already in May, the USN was searching for SS Alfhem, a ship loaded with Czech weapons for the Guatemalan Army that reached Puerto Barrios nevertheless. Subsequently, the blockade was improved and the Government found it impossible to import any kind of weapons or ammunition: even if the Army managed to round up many of subversive elements, the net around President Arbenz was becoming tighter.

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The situation worsened through the 28th: in one instance a single strafing attack by a FAG AT-6 scrambled from Puerto Barrios to intercept a rebel Cessna 180, was sufficient to scatter a whole rebel column. Nevertheless, the Liberation Air Force then staged its best-known operation of this war, when the battered – but repaired once again – P-38M, flown by Ferdinand Schoup, attacked the British ship SS Springfjord that carried a load of weapons (including rumoured ex-Czech Spitfires), in the port of San Jose. Springfjord was sunk, but the ship carried a load of coffee and no weapons at all.

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http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_156.shtml

El Salvador vs Honduras, 1969: The 100-Hour War

By Tom Cooper with March Coelich

........ By the morning of 17 July 1969, the Salvadoran and Honduran Army troops became entangled in a meeting engagement between Nueva Ocotopeque and Santa Rosa de Copan. The Salvadorans advanced in good spirits, but Honduran Guardia de Honor Battalion – readily supported by Corsairs from Toncontin and La Mesa – put up spirited resistance.

........ Varela’s loss hit the FAS particularly hard. The air force was already short on experienced pilots. Even if a number of experienced reserve fliers was mobilized, there was not enough pilots for all Mustangs and Corsairs, and consequently El Salvador had to hire five mercenaries – including Jerry DeLarm and “Red” Gray. The later were to prove not especially eager to engage Honduran Corsairs in air combat: in fact, according to surviving FAS veterans, both DeLarm and Gray preferred to climb and escape when encountering FAH fighters – often enough leaving behind Salvadoran pilots they should have protected.

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I must agree with Dawn. The CIA was indebted to the men who created it

and used it as their own "private army" around the world. Entities such as

"United Fruit" come to mind. Google UNITED FRUIT CIA to see what I mean.

Jack

An observation with a great deal of reason and rationale to back it up.

Ashton

Okay, now we're talking. Who had ties to United Fruit? Dulles, Dulles, Beetle Smith, Cabot Lodge, Tommy the Cork, etc... These men were all closely affiliated with, or members of, the Eisenhower Administration. Operation Success was an operation performed by the Eisenhower Administration, on behalf of members of the administration and their cronies... If one is to use this as an analogy, it is inescapable that someone in the Kennedy Administration was gonna personally benefit from Kennedy's death. Who would that be? Johnson... And who was backing Johnson? Oilmen, military contractors... To exclude them from the list is illogical, IMO. IF, in fact, Helms was the orchestrator of the assassination, and McCone was cut out of the loop, what would be Helms' motivation? Helms had close ties to Johnson. Helms was Johnson's boy, not the other way around... Johnson, the FBI, and the Justice Department orchestrated the cover-up. To exclude Johnson from the list of those most likely to have inspired the assassination simply makes no sense...

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Thank you, Peter. To say that the CIA did it on its own and not as part of a policy designed or co-ordinated with one of the groups listed above is juvenile and idiotic, in my opinion.

...

Pat, it sure would facilitate communication if you would bother to read a post before responding. The question posed was:

"So was the CIA involved or not?"

Not "Did the CIA act alone in murdering President Kennedy."

I was answering the question posed, not the question in your head.

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................Hunt, Morales and Robertson had huge emotional investments in the anti-Castro cause. Barnes hated Kennedy for blaming Dulles and Bissell for the Bay of Pigs. Barnes sent guns to anti-Trujillo forces in a diplomatic pouch and gave orders to the embassy not to tell the state department. Robertson, without receiving any orders to do so, bombed a British ship during the Guatemalan operation. These men were cowboys..............

__________________________

"Rip" Robertson was never a pilot, nor did he "sink a ship in Guatemala" (1954 Guatemaltazo)!!

Jerry Fred DeLarm was initially blamed for the sinking of the Brit "Coffee" merchantman, but in reality it was "Freddy" Shoup who dive-bombed the vessel and sent it to the bottom of the harbor-port at San Jose. Worse, this port is on the Pacific Ocean side of Guatemala, NOT the Caribbean side -- where a ship from Europe would be offloading, i.e., at either Puerto Barrios or Matias de Gálvez !!

As you will see below, when the "Soccer War" (El Salvador vs: Honduras) got underway during 1969, all of the "good ol' boys were back in action once again.

Chairs,

GPH

---------------------------------------------

http://www.statecraft.org/chapter5.html

On 18 June, Castillo Armas crossed into Guatemala from Honduras at the head of a force probably numbering less than 300 men. Although well-armed with Bren guns, mortars, and even flamethrowers, the unopposed "Liberation Army" halted just inside Guatemala in the town of Esquipulas, known then for its shrine to the Black Christ (and later also as a place of pilgrimage to honor the "Liberation").13

The Liberacionistas waited in Esquipulas while the real "war" was waged by American pilots and assorted mercenaries in aircraft. Those in charge included Whiting Willauer, a World War II veteran of irregular air warfare who had served as General Claire Chennault's deputy in the Flying Tigers. 14 At dawn on 18 June, a group of B-26 bombers and three P-47 fighters appeared above Guatemala City, dropped leaflets, and then began strafing and bombing runs.

Targets were selected largely for their psychological effect: military drill areas, ammunition dumps, oil storage tanks. One of the pilots, American Jerry DeLarm, later told NBC's John Chancellor how he "blew up the government oil reserves and subsequently when the political situation was up in the air and required decisive action-the main powder magazine of the army."15

Although unable to induce the Guatemalan army to fight, apart from some desultory antiaircraft fire, Arbenz held on to his precarious office for nine days. Castillo Armas and his "army" stayed put in Esquipulas unmolested, while U.S. air power continued a steady diet of harassing raids on the capital and the port of San José (sinking the British freighter Springfjord in the process).

Despite the lack of opposition in the air, the small "Liberation" air wing suffered from attrition in the first days of the operation, with several aircraft crash-landing (some sources refer to two having been shot down, although no casualties were ever acknowledged). CIA requests for replacements required a presidential decision, although U.S. Air Force planes were standing by in Nicaragua, apparently for just such a contingency. Rapidly "reflagged," the aircraft were soon in the air over Guatemala City keeping up the pressure.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_162.shtml

The rebel „air force“ came into existence during March 1954, when two C-47s were provided „on loan“ from Civilian Air Transport (CAT) – a CIA-owned airline – and another one purchased in Washington DC. All three Dakotas were flown to Managua, in Nicaragua, from where they were used for flying supply missions for the „Liberation Army“, as the CIA-controlled rebel force became known.

As next, a number of surplus combat and transport aircraft was acquired through a front company set up as „charitable foundation“ in Miami, including one Lockheed P-38 Lightning, a Cessna 140 and 180 each, and a Consolidated PBY-5A flying boat. The aircraft were flown to a small airfield in Honduras, and the CIA then began searching for pilots, eventually recruiting Fred Sherwood, former US Air Attaché with the US Embassy in Guatemala and ex-UFC pilot, as the chief of the new force. Sherwood was soon joined by two other pilots, Fred DeLarm and Carlos Cheeseman, both veteran Republic P-47 Thunderbolt-pilots from the Pacific theatre in WWII.

..........................................................

Meanwhile, Guatemala was put under a sea blockade by the US Navy warships. Already in May, the USN was searching for SS Alfhem, a ship loaded with Czech weapons for the Guatemalan Army that reached Puerto Barrios nevertheless. Subsequently, the blockade was improved and the Government found it impossible to import any kind of weapons or ammunition: even if the Army managed to round up many of subversive elements, the net around President Arbenz was becoming tighter.

..........................................................

The situation worsened through the 28th: in one instance a single strafing attack by a FAG AT-6 scrambled from Puerto Barrios to intercept a rebel Cessna 180, was sufficient to scatter a whole rebel column. Nevertheless, the Liberation Air Force then staged its best-known operation of this war, when the battered – but repaired once again – P-38M, flown by Ferdinand Schoup, attacked the British ship SS Springfjord that carried a load of weapons (including rumoured ex-Czech Spitfires), in the port of San Jose. Springfjord was sunk, but the ship carried a load of coffee and no weapons at all.

-------------------------------------------------------------------------

http://www.acig.org/artman/publish/article_156.shtml

El Salvador vs Honduras, 1969: The 100-Hour War

By Tom Cooper with March Coelich

........ By the morning of 17 July 1969, the Salvadoran and Honduran Army troops became entangled in a meeting engagement between Nueva Ocotopeque and Santa Rosa de Copan. The Salvadorans advanced in good spirits, but Honduran Guardia de Honor Battalion – readily supported by Corsairs from Toncontin and La Mesa – put up spirited resistance.

........ Varela’s loss hit the FAS particularly hard. The air force was already short on experienced pilots. Even if a number of experienced reserve fliers was mobilized, there was not enough pilots for all Mustangs and Corsairs, and consequently El Salvador had to hire five mercenaries – including Jerry DeLarm and “Red” Gray. The later were to prove not especially eager to engage Honduran Corsairs in air combat: in fact, according to surviving FAS veterans, both DeLarm and Gray preferred to climb and escape when encountering FAH fighters – often enough leaving behind Salvadoran pilots they should have protected.

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Welcome back, Gerry!.....thanks for the above input. While you were gone there was some buzz about some CIA dudes who might have been at the Ambassador hotel the night RFK died. Could you comment on the photos of them in the Hotel and what you recall you were doing that night as an LAPD man. Thanks much in advance. Peter

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Welcome back, Gerry!.....thanks for the above input. While you were gone there was some buzz about some CIA dudes who might have been at the Ambassador hotel the night RFK died. Could you comment on the photos of them in the Hotel and what you recall you were doing that night as an LAPD man. Thanks much in advance. Peter

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Peter:

So as to save you from drudging thru all of my previous postings, slithering thru the Google crap, and worse yet -- the linear miles of Khazar Weberman's fantasy prolix ["Noduroids"]; I will attempt a clear, short and concise response ?? Yupp !!

From 1968 thru 1970, I worked part-time as a Special Agent for the "Special Problems Unit", City of Los Angeles. The "Unit" was the creation of the then Mayor Sam Yorty, and "belonged to" his Staff Intelligence Squad, which worked out of City Hall -- rather than at the L.A.P.D. Parker Center Police Headquarters -- and reported only to him, not to Chief Tom Reddin nor his successor Gates.

Officially, we worked for the Recreation & Parks Dept. and were paid out of their funds. We always went on patrol in a supervisor Sergeant's stationwagon, rather than in the 4-door "Adam" black & whites (2-man patrol "Basic" cars). The TV series "Adam 12" taught viewers that "One-Adam-12" signified that:

"(1) One" as a prefix meant "Central Division", and this was the #12 vehicle on that shift.

I always worked out of Hollenbeck Division (East Los Angeles), and prefix assigned was "4-Adam, 1 thru 12" for the sedans, while the Sergeant's wagons were 4-L-10, 4-L-20, 4-L-30. [The wagons carried a "mini-command post" in the rear compartment, with maps, riot equipment, and had four seperate VHF radios.]

The now famous author Joe Wambaugh was just finishing his first novel ("The New Centurions") whilst he worked as a Robbery/Homicide Detective on the 2nd floor of the station-house during those days.

Late afternoon, June 5th 1968, I was working with "Metro" and "Gang Squad" a few blocks from the Lincoln Heights Jail -- which required cooperation with Ramparts Division next door. We expected yet another "Chicano" gang shootout that night, having been tipped off by youngsters at a city recreation center the night before; either because they wanted no part of it -- or didn't want to lose a family member of friend, which was frequently the end result.

Just after sundown, the radio beeped and the dispatcher advised my Sergeant to "...have the S.P.U. Special Agent call the Station from the nearest "Gamewell".....and not by payphone...!!

[Gamewell, Inc. is the manufacturer of the steel police telephone boxes sited on every 4th square-block throughout the city.]

I opened the box with my Gamewell Key, called the station -- and the Captain told me to have the Sgt. drive me in the "L" wagon to a popular ("Police") Diner, and "meet" with a Sergeant in an "Adam Unit".

I thought it was about an "IAD" (Internal Affairs) "beef" that I was previously involved in as a witness. Climbed into the 4-door sedan, and the Sergeant radioed in as "4-Xray-1", and advising that we were going "Code-7" [Off Duty]. ("Xray" signified an "Extra/Unassigned Roving or backup Unit")

Next thing I know we are cruising up the Hollywood Freeway northwest-bound. Once back down on the streets, I asked the Sergeant where we were going, and especially WHY we were in Hollywood Division ?? He answered that we had "a meet" at the Ambassador Hotel (which I had never heard of before !!). I later learned that we were about two blocks from the hotel when we ran into a bit of a traffic jam, and spotted numerous "blue-cross" traffic directing cops and "motors" (Motorcycle Units).

Just then the radio dispatcher/girl ordered ".....all units switch to Tac-2 !!" [Tac-2 is the "Tactical Radio Channel used for private or emergency conversations]. On "Tac-2" we heard: "ALL UNITS...ALL UNITS...and Hollywood...Ramparts...and Valley supervisors....shots fired...shots fired...multiple victims down....use caution...plain-clothes officers in the area...!! "All Units...shots fired inside Ambassador Hotel...approach with caution....I say again....approach with caution....both uniformed and plain-clothes officers in the area....unknown the number of shooters.... !!"

The Sergeant slammed on the brakes, went "Code-3" [turned on the lights and siren] -- did a 180, and we sped back towards the Freeway. As I stared at him, he turned slightly and yelled: "...This ain't our call...we are outahere...!!" As we raced back towards East L.A., we observed dozens of police vehicles "Code-3" and barreling in the opposite direction -- both on the Freeway and the city streets.

Within a block from Hollenbeck Station, the Sergeant said that he was dropping me here, that I could walk to my car -- and that he was going to Parker Center (Downtown LAPD/HQ). Climbed into my sedan, headed for home, turned on the CB Radio to the R.E.A.C.T. Channel #9 to listen in for any word on what the hell was going on in Hollywood. The only advisories from the R.E.A.C.T. Monitor was to warn everybody to stay away from the Ambassador Hotel in Hollywood.

Half an hour later, I walked into my apartment to find my wife standing in front of the TV with her mouth agape and white as a sheet. Two minutes later I asked her to calm down, go to the kitchen, pour me a super-size Whiskey Sour while I changed clothes. Tip-toed upstairs and unracked my riot/shotgun and a bandoleer of "00" Buck ammunition, got all of my 6-round speedloaders (.357 Magnum revolver), my .45 Colt automatic with extra magazines -- put everything in a parachute kit-bag and went back downstairs, where I sat with my back to the wall.

A brother called and said he was coming over armed, and would park his car down the street, call from a payphone to alert me to his imminent arrival -- and would check out the neighborhood first.

Around sunup I called my MK/CHAOS duty officer, and was advised to immediately check out the Sirhan residence, which I did.

Shane is in error, none of the photos that I have seen so far match any "Company" dudes that I came across over the years, but then again -- I haven't seen his film yet.

Later, its been a long day for me (since 5 PM yesterday)

GPH

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If the CIA was involved at all, in any way, in the Kennedy murder, it was not taking orders from, or acting in the exclusive interests of, or beholden to, or doing the bidding of, or reduced to a parity with, or in any way junior to:

• Texas oil men

• Texas politicians

• The Vice President of the United States

• Pro-Castro forces

• Anti-Castro forces

• Cubans

• Castro

• The Mafia, or any part thereof

So was the CIA involved or not?

Ashton Gray

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The CIA is the armed forces, police officers, goon-squad, and/or private security services of the Old Guard, the Eastern Establishment, the Aristocratic Blue-Bloods, the financial houses and/or holding companies, aka banks, of the Anglo-American power bases located on both sides of the Atlantic Ocean and which comprise those districts subject to the prevailing markets of New York City and London, and dictate who's to win and who's to lose, who's to live and who's to die. It's been carved in stone that way since the first money-lenders hit these shores in the 1500's, and started buying up the place with beads.

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