Dead Secret Service Agent in Dallas?

[Will Emaus]

I've never remotely thought this, but I plead insanity,

A:The Sheriff's Office in Dallas says an SS agent was dead

- 4 shots have now been fired

- A young man has been taken in for questioning

B:The Sheriff's Office in Dallas says a patrol officer was dead

- 4 shots have now been fired

- A young man has been taken in for questioning

so A kinda equals B

Could this possibly in some twisted dimension mean that ''THE'' patrol officer = an SS agent*? Was Kennedy officially declared dead..when?

EDIT ADD : *who then became a patrol officer named Tippit

I wondered that too, although I think Eddie Barker was reporting the SS agent's death before Tippit was shot, I'll see if I can find that clip...

[Will Emaus]

I've never remotely thought this, but I plead insanity,

A:The Sheriff's Office in Dallas says an SS agent was dead

- 4 shots have now been fired

- A young man has been taken in for questioning

B:The Sheriff's Office in Dallas says a patrol officer was dead

- 4 shots have now been fired

- A young man has been taken in for questioning

so A kinda equals B

Could this possibly in some twisted dimension mean that ''THE'' patrol officer = an SS agent*? Was Kennedy officially declared dead..when?

EDIT ADD : *who then became a patrol officer named Tippit

I wondered that too, although I think Eddie Barker was reporting the SS agent's death before Tippit was shot, I'll see if I can find that clip...

At 4:08 of this CBS clip seems to be Eddie Barker's first mention that I can find of an SS agent death.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMdq9naNsCw

VonPein supposedly has the playlist synced with the assassination itself, so that would put the time of this announcement as roughly 1:04PM, a few minutes before Tippit was shot.

Regardless, adding a 4th shot does seem to imply that the source seemingly realized that the "SS Agent" was shot separately and not in the target car...

Edited January 27, 2010 by Will Emaus

[John Dolva]

yeah, Will, thank you. So it was roughly when Tippit was shot that an SS agent was shot...that adds a strange twist to things. Not sure I'd want to go there, It's probabaly a mistake, like in a chinese whisper game.

[Jack White]

I've never remotely thought this, but I plead insanity,

A:The Sheriff's Office in Dallas says an SS agent was dead

- 4 shots have now been fired

- A young man has been taken in for questioning

B:The Sheriff's Office in Dallas says a patrol officer was dead

- 4 shots have now been fired

- A young man has been taken in for questioning

so A kinda equals B

Could this possibly in some twisted dimension mean that ''THE'' patrol officer = an SS agent*? Was Kennedy officially declared dead..when?

EDIT ADD : *who then became a patrol officer named Tippit

I wondered that too, although I think Eddie Barker was reporting the SS agent's death before Tippit was shot, I'll see if I can find that clip...

Don't forget the POOL OF BLOOD on the TSBD sidewalk, as reported by Mal Couch.

Jack

[Bernice Moore]

from a folder sorry i could not get the link so posted the article..from palamara .b

The "Dead" Secret Service Agent Saga

and the Agent(s) on the Knoll

by Vince Palamara

This article by DPQ Associate Editor Vince Palamara originally appeared in the October 1997 issue of JFK Deep Politics Quarterly. Used by permission of the author.

All rights reserved.

In the July, 1997 JFK Deep Politics Quarterly article "Jim Fox and the Dead Secret Service Agent Story," Mark Crouch raised some fascinating possibilities. In fact, I was so inspired by that article that I finally decided to do something I should have done a long time ago: namely, detail every scrap of data concerning this mystery, as well as the one concerning the "agent(s)" of unknown repute spotted in Dealey Plaza immediately after the assassination.

First things first, however -- here is every known reference to the dead agent I could find as reported in the media on November 22, 1963. Eddie Barker, KRLD-TV, a CBS affiliate, noted, "The word is that the President was killed, one of his agents is dead, and Governor Connally was wounded." ABC News in Washington reported, "A Secret Service agent apparently was shot by one of the assassin's bullets." ABC's Bill Lord report included, "Did confirm the death of the secret service agent... one of the Secret Service agents was killed...Secret Service agents usually walk right beside the car." ABC Washington also noted, "One of the Secret Service agents traveling with the President was killed today."

The Associated Press (AP) was quoted on WFAA (ABC):"A Secret Service agent and a Dallas policeman were shot and killed some distance from where the President was shot." At 12:45 p.m. CST, KRLD-TV, a CBS affiliate, reported that a Secret Service agent had been killed along with the President.

At 1:23 pm, CST, CBS's Walter Cronkite reported, "A Secret Service man was also killed in the fusillade of shots." Seth Kantor, a reporter for Scripps-Howard, would write in his notebook, which was published by the Warren Commission [20H 410] "They even have to die in secret." At 2:14, the AP again made note: "A Secret Service Agent and a Dallas policeman were shot and killed today. The Dallas Police radio, channel two, also carried the story: (2:40 p.m.) "One of the Secret Service men on the field--Elm and Houston, said that it came over his Teletype that one of the Secret Service men had been killed." The Dallas Times Herald , dateline November 22, 1963, added, "From the Secret Service office in Dallas--a spokesman could neither confirm or deny the report: 'All I've heard is the same reports you've heard [sic]'." At 3:40 p.m. Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Robert A. Wallace reported, "No Secret Service man was injured in the attack on President Kennedy," a denial of sorts, but it does not indicate if one was killed, or if there was violence away from "the attack on President Kennedy."

Beyond this, several authors, this one included, have come upon information that, in one way or another, appears to corroborate the story to a certain extent. What follows is a listing of these findings. In High Treason 2 (p. 439), DNC advance man Marty Underwood said to Harry Livingstone-- "There were a couple of suicides in the thing, with the Secret Service and everything..." Livingstone: "Do you remember who committed suicide?" Underwood: "I don't remember. I think there were a couple...." [He is then cut off by Livingstone.]

Secondly, inthis author's book The Third Alternative (p. 36): "While all three major television networks reported that "A Secret Service agent and a Dallas policeman were shot and killed' on 11/22/63, only to be officially corrected later by Secret Service officials, this author learned from Crouch, [Mark Crouch,friend and confidante of PRS agent/photographer James K. "Jack" Fox] that Agent Fox stated that the story was true!! According to Crouch, Fox was working in theExecutive Office Building on 11/ 22/63 (where

the PRS office was), when he was asked by SAIC of PRS Robert Bouck to get ready a detail of four to six agents to assist in retrieving the body and casket of the unnamed Secret Service agent. Fox told Crouch, "We lost a man that day- our man ,' and qualified his remarks by stating that he was not referring to JFK! This was a deathbed confession of sorts, -- Fox died not long after telling Crouch this in the early 1980's [ed. note: Fox died in 1987]. (Interestingly, although having heard the news reports that stated that the President's limousine raced to Parkland Hospital after the shooting, Mrs. Bill Greer thought for several hours that her husband had perished that day! Since she knew that Greer was the driver of JFK's car, this appears to be a strange admission. See Death of a President, p. 354, 1988 edition; interview of Richard Greer, 10/7/91)";

Third, from Richard Trask's Pictures of the Pain, (p. 50): Mrs. Cecil Stoughton had similar concerns about her husband to those of Mrs. Greer cited above, no doubt due to these same reports.

These tidbits, seemingly corroborative data concerning this mysterious, unnamed "dead" agent, tantalize us with the sheer volume of their credibility. With this in mind, I decided to "get specific" and try to FIND this deceased Secret Service Agent. Initially, I thought I might have found him: ATSAIC Stewart G. "Stu" Stout , stationed at the Trade Mart on November 22, 1963, died--cause unknown--immediately after Dallas, according to Agents Sam Kinney and Floyd Boring (author's interviews, 1994). In fact, Boring initially doubted that Stout was even in Dallas ("Gee, I don't think so...then again, I guess I should have known he was there because he died shortly thereafter.") Ironically, S/A Stout rode in the hearse [JFK's] (presumably upright, and breathing) from Parkland Hospital to Love Field on November 22, 1963!! [stout had also been involved in protecting Truman at Blair House during the assassination attempt on November 1, 1950 along with Floyd Boring, as well as having been with Vice President Nixon in Caracas, Venezuela, in 1958.] However, three items of data appear to quash this initial identification of the "dead" agent: First, Stout's report of his activities, dated 11/29/63 (18H 785); secondly, Stout's report, dated April 29, 1964, concerning the infamous drinking incident (18H 680); finally, an actual film clip of Stout with LBJ in California in 1964 as depicted in the 1992 PBS video "LBJ." Reports of Stout's demise apparently were, at least initially, exaggerated.

So the use of the word "immediately" by Kinney and Boring appears to be a slight case of hyperbole on their part. So I then focused on the other two agents, Emory Roberts, and Henry Rybka, who always aroused my suspicions in regard to this matter.

Fellow ATSAIC Emory P. Roberts died of unknown causes, the very same time an unnamed agent took his life in the... "Sixties, in Washington, with his own weapon. There were signs he was beginning to buckle," as former agent Chick Rochner explained to fellow former agent Marty Venker ! ("Confessions of an Ex-Secret Service Agent," pp. 216-217) As for Agent Rybka, the only written confirmation of his appearance after November 22,1963, is his alleged report found on 25H 787. However, unlike every other report found in volumes 18 and 25, save Agent Greer's, it is undated. In addition, there is a strange lack of detail and content, and there is no approval stamp by SAIC Behn. Keeping in mind the three documents that place him in the follow-up car on November 22, when he actually was left behind at Love Field (see JFK/Deep Politics Quarterly , October, 1996), something appears to be amiss.

Unfortunately for this specific quest, Roberts and the "unnamed" agent died in the late 1960s, while Rybka's presence as late as November 27 is confirmed by S/A Roy Kellerman in his WC testimony (2H 86), ...so much for that. Still, there HAD to be something to these tales of the "dead" agent; I decided to look still further. After an exhaustive examination of EVERY agent even remotely associated with the Texas trip (using the Warren Report, the 26 volumes, the HSCA materials, newly released interviews, plus Secret Service shift reports as sources), I have come to the conclusion I feel I can state most firmly: the only agent who is a real viable candidate for possibly being the dead agent is Dennis R. Halterman, a White House Detail agent who, as the shift reports bear out, was in San Antonio with the President on November 21 but who, for all intents and purposes, "disappears" from the record after that date. In essence, there is no written record of if, when, how, or where he went after that stop on the Texas tour: to Houston? Dallas? Austin? Washington? Halterman's name was known to me before I obtained the shift reports last year, as he is listed as being a member of the WH Detail in an alphabetical listing provided by Fred Ciacelli of the traveling JFK Museum to me in late 1993. It was also from this list that I asked Sam Kinney if Halterman--along with several heretofore unknown agents of the WHD present on this list--were still alive back in March, 1994. Kinney told me Halterman was deceased, but did not say when or how he died, mainly because I did not ASK him at that time. I have since tried to ask the question to former S/A Kinney, but have not been able to contact him.

But that is it--no other reference is made to Halterman anywhere else, and he is the only agent who could possible be a candidate for the "dead" agent, based on my personal research.

Equally intense was my search for the "agent" of unknown repute who appears in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963. Was he real? Was he an illusion? Was it a case of mistaken identity? Was he a fake agent? Was he a real agent? These were the questions I had to answer, or try to, to the best of my ability. As we shall see shortly, I chose the last option as being the correct choice.

As a precondition, we shall discard the problematic "identifications" of Jean Hill, as she testified to being encountered by a Secret Service agent who was most likely Dallas Times Herald reporter Jim Featherstone; equally valueless was the statement of Lee Oswald (see 24H 479), as the "agent" he pointed to a phone booth in the TSBD after the shooting was most likely WFAA newsman Pierce Allman or the more commonly identified Robert MacNeil after all. We do not need to rely on these accounts, as there are other sources. The following people stated that they encountered an "agent" in Dealey Plaza, or they gave information that definitely tends to strengthen the accounts of others on this issue.

Law enforcement officers noted the presence of an agent in the plaza: Joe Marshall Smith, who even saw credentials (7H 535), D.V. Harkness (6H 312), Constable Seymour Weitzman (7H 107), and Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig (cited in Crossfire, 330). Spectators Malcolm Summers (quoted on "Nova," November, 1988), Gordon Arnold, (Dallas Morning News, August 27, 1978), and Ronald Fischer (6H 196), all saw or corroborated other "sightings."

What does the "official" record reveal about these alleged 'sightings'? Yeah, we know...or do we? Going back to the original "official" statement, or party line, was quite an

eye opening experience: "All the Secret Service agents assigned to the motorcade stayed with the motorcade all the way to the hospital. None remained at the scene of the shooting, and none entered the School Book Depository at or immediately after the time of the shooting." (Commission Document 3, p. 44--emphasis added)

So, in actual fact, this statement, drafted by Secretary of the Treasury C. Douglas Dillon and General Counsel G. d'Andelot Belin, only accounts for the sixteen agents traveling in the motorcade--two in the lead car (Lawson and Sorrels), two in the limousine (Greer and

Kellerman), eight in the follow up (Kinney, Roberts, Hill, McIntyre, Ready, Landis, Bennett, Hickey), one in LBJ's car (Youngblood), and the three in the VP follow-up car (Johns, Taylor and Kivett)!! Discarding the notion that "Lem" Johns was the agent (he was left behind VERY briefly on the ROAD and hitched a ride in one of the camera cars as verified by the film record), and stipulating that the other WHD agents assigned to the Trade Mart, Love Field, Austin, and other places, based on the "official" record, really were there the whole time, what does that leave us with?

For one thing, there were, "officially"speaking, seven agents in the Dallas field office of the Secret Service: SAIC Sorrels, as noted, in the lead car; Robert Steuart and John Joe Howlett, at the Trade Mart; Roger C. Warner, and William H. Patterson, both stationed at Love Field. But, as you note, that is only five of the seven agents. And there's the rub--the Secret Service reports in Volume XVIII alone confirm what five of the seven of the Dallas agents were doing on November 22--what about the other two--Charles E. Kunkel and James F. "Mike" Howard?

There are NO reports from these two men in the volumes (quite a strange departure), and NO testimony was taken from them either (although with no testimony taken from seven of the eight SS agents in the follow up, that should not surprise us). Coincidentally, both of these agents would go on to guard the Oswald family after the assassination and subsequent death of LHO; in fact, good old Marguerite Oswald felt that these agents were involved in the actual conspiracy itself (1H 169-170)! Howard, who would go on to join the WHD onMarch 29, 1964, was interviewed in an AP story related in the "Fresno Bee" on 11/22/93, the 30th anniversary of JFK's murder. Despite the obvious need to focus on the assassination, there was no mention in that interview of where either Howard (or Kunkel..) were during the critical time of the shooting in he middle of Elm Street! Are there any candidates from the WHD who are "eligible" to have been the "real agent" In Dealey Plaza on November 22? Yes, the aforementioned Dennis R. Halterman, and for the very same reasons, another new and obscure name: Ronald M. Pontius. Pontius, in Houston on November 21, also "disappears" from the detailed, written record and, like Halterman, this omission stands out noticeably from the shift reports and other documents--if one applies Peter Dale Scott's "negative template" hypothesis: if something is not there that SHOULD be there, something's amiss. Interestingly, during my interview of Houston DNC advance man Marty Underwood, he mentioned that the one agent I should contact about these matters was none other than Pontius himself, a completely unknown name to be then (Oct., 1992), and still a pretty obscure name now. Finally, as readers of my book, The Third Alternative, know, former agent Abraham W. Bolden, Sr., expressed much suspicion about fellow former agent Harvey Henderson as being a possible candidate for the "agent" in Dealey Plaza. At that time, Henderson was "removed" from the WHD-- if you believe Bolden, because he was extremely bitter towards JFK, and this removal happened shortly before Dallas. I have been unable to confirm or deny the story conclusively, as Henderson passed away in early 1994 just as I was seeking to interview him.

One final clue to both the mystery of the "dead" agent and the "unknown agent" in Dealey Plaza on November 22 may come from the statements of former Dallas agent Robert A. Steuart, as revealed in Bill Sloan's 1993 work, JFK--Breaking the Silence (pp 1-5). Although the agent who spoke to Sloan was unnamed in the book, Sloan confirmed to me the agent's identity based on my firm conviction that this agent HAD to have been Steuart. Why? Because, as I told Sloan, the agent used the identical language with me during my two "attempted" interviews with him in 1992 and 1993; in any event, Sloan confirmed my suspicions. So, just what did Steuart say to Sloan (and me)? Sworn to absolute secrecy about the "Kennedy thing," Steuart went on to say, "I can't talk about it...There are so many things I could tell you, but I just can't... I can't tell you anything... I'd like to, but I can't.... It

was a very heavy deal, and they would know. Someone would know. It's...too dangerous, even now."

This, from a local agent, stationed at the Trade Mart on November 22, 1963.

Were the stories about the "dead" Secret Service agent true? Quite possibly, for there is one viable candidate. What about the "agent" in Dealey Plaza? He most likely was a GENUINE agent, for there are five potential candidates: two local agents, two Washington agents, and one bitter renegade agent, whereabouts unknown, on that fateful day in Dallas. One thing is sure: if the man on the knoll was the renegade, it was one hell of a conspiracy, and if an agent was killed, why the silence?

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A special note and addendum from the author (November 28, 1997)

I have received a lot of acclaim for my article in the the October 1997 JFK/DPQ, which is very much appreciated. While I still stand behind all the documentation in the article (and feel especially strong about the agent-in-the-plaza info), one major correction and one addition should be noted. I just returned from the JFK/Lancer conference in Dallas to discover over 300 pages of Secret Service survey reports and many Secret Service agent letters in my mail!

One of the documents, RIF-154-10002-10424, eliminates Secret Service Agent Dennis R. Halterman as being a candidate for the "dead" agent (but not the agent in the plaza, along with the four other candidates). However, while at the conference, researcher John Armstrong gave me a Treasury Department document regarding a U.S. Customs Official's allegations that a "[fnu] Mr. Robertson" of the Secret Service disappeared on 11/22/63 (Robertson was stationed in the Dallas/Fort Worth area). I am currently checking up on this new lead.

Also, Mrs. Hazel Kinney wrote me, telling me that her husband Sam Kinney (the driver of the follow-up car on 11/22/63 and a member of the Secret Service from 1950 to 1967) passed away on 7/21/97 while they were traveling in Iowa. I am the only person to have gotten Sam on the record in detail (even more so than the 1996 HSCA release). I am in the process of developing a list of surviving Secret Service agents to bring to the Review Board; needless to say, this was a great loss. I am forever grateful to the extended time Sam gave me in 1992 through 1994.

Recently, I've received letters from agents Floyd Boring, Bill Livingood, G. d'Andelot Belin, and others; hopefully there's many more to come as the research continues...

Thank you.

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[Bernice Moore]

sorry another double oops...b

Edited January 27, 2010 by Bernice Moore

[Bernice Moore]

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[Bernice Moore]

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this was posted by STEVE THOMAS some time in the past i have no date...b

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk...Vol23_0484a.htm

At approximately 2:37pm, Sergeant R.E. Dugger (18) radios in on Channel 2:

“I have Judge Johnston here with (illegible) Parkland. Was there just one (illegible) from the shooting from the Presid… party?”

The following exchange takes place:

Dispatcher (illegible) I had on it 18

Dispatcher: 18, There were some more injured, but I don’t know who they were, or how severe.

Dugger: I didn’t read you. You know anything about an injured Secret Service Agent?

Dispatcher: No, I do not. There were some more injured, but I don’t know who they were.

Patrolman J.W. Brooks (174): One of the Secret Service men on the field – Elm and Houston; said that it came over his teletype that one of the Secret Service men had been killed.

Dispatcher: Well, 10-4. I don’t have that information.

Dugger: I believe this is going to be incorrect. He’s not at Parkland. Can you have someone canvas the major hospitals please?

Garbled

Patrolman L.H. Marshall (139): I have a man out here that doesn’t know anything about that.

I believe that Patrolman Marshall was at Love Field.

And in her report of activities 11/22-11/24/63 SEPARATE from JFK and

Connally, found in 21H pp. 213-215, Nurse Bertha Lozano would write:

"A technician came to the desk and asked me to expect a private patient

who was bleeding…Blood technicians came to ask me who "Mr. X" was who did not

have an E.R. number. Hematology also came with the same problem and was told the

same thing."

[Bernice Moore]

Gems from the 26 Volumes: by Vince Palamara

SETH KANTOR ON THE "DEAD" SECRET SERVICE AGENT

20 H 410: "A Western Union man who had been with us since we came down from Andrews Air Force Base came into the [Parkland Hospital] office.A nurse asked him about a report that a Secret Service agent had been killed out on the street. HE SAID THAT IT WAS TRUE. This was one of the immediate rumors which sprung up. It took several days for this particular rumor not to be believed in Dallas itself (FELLOW IN JAGGARS-CHILES-STOVALL who got it from a friend who got it from a POSTMAN* supposed to have been at the death scene that the shot and bleeding SS man was in on the plot to kill the President.)" [emphasis added]

*the 1/22/77 issue of "The Continuing Inquiry" contains an article written by Penn Jones and Gary Shaw re: the "dead" agent incident as reported in a letter sent to Jim Garrison during the Clay Shaw trial:

"A Mr. Robertson, Assistant Director of the Dallas or Fort Worth Secret Service office, confided to [friend of writer who requested anonymity] in 1963 that a plot to kill President Kennedy was planned and he did not want any part of it. On November 22, 1963, my friend was in the office of Mr. Robertson when all phones began to ring, about the time Kennedy was arriving at Carswell Air Force Base [in Fort Worth], Mr. Robertson then said, 'Well, this is it' and left the office. Sinc that time Mr. Robertson's family of seven children and wife have not seen or heard from him, yet his paychecks continue to be mailed to his home."

Jones/ Shaw: "Our 1965 investigation lead us to believe Robertson was in Dallas but was posing as a POSTAL INSPECTOR, but it was reported to us that he had left Dallas. We also learned from newsmen that something unusual did happen on Harwood [street] shortly before the turn to Main Street. No one wanted credit for this, but we were told by reliable newsmen that a man jumped in front of Kennedy's car on Harwood shouting, "Stop, I must tell you." The man, according to ther report, was promptly wresteled to the ground and hustled away." [emphasis added]

----- To my great surprise, there are FOUR reports that corroborate the above article, in conjunction with the overlooked Kantor report:

The first is the actual LETTER sent to Garrison from an "Amy Britvar" dated 2/21/68 and originating from Turtle Creek Blvd. in Dallas, TX. [thanks go to John Armstrong and Jack White for the copy of this letter]! An internet people search for Britvar drew a blank, although there ARE other Britvars in Texas (further work will be done on locating this person).

The second is a Treasury Department (U.S. Customs Service) document, dated 1/17/80, from Joseph G. Forrester, U.S. Customs, to Attorney General Benjamin R. Civiletti [thanks go to John Armstrong and Ed Sherry for this document]. The letter reads in part:

"My interest in the Kennedy murder started in 1966 when I met ab Air Force Master Sergeant at St. Albans Naval Hospital, Queens, New York. This sergeant, an elderly man, was suffering from terminal cancer. He stated that on November 22,1963 he was attached to Air Force One as an electronics technician. He further stated that after the President was shot a message was received over a military frequency that multiple assassins had attacked the President...a Secret Service agent, Mr. Robertson, stationed in the Dallas-Fort Worth area disappeared on November 22,1963 yet his family still receives his paychecks. The disappearance of an individual is not unusual except that it has been said that Mr. Robertson became aware of an assassins plot against the president. An assassin plot had been unearthed in Chicago a short time before President Kennedy's Dallas trip. Please do not misconstrue this letter. I am not a crank; but I am sincerely interested in this crucial investigation. I am willing to join an investigative team and if that is not possible, will make myself available for an interview by investigative officers."

The third is a lengthy memorandum written by Vince Salandria, dated 1/31/67, regarding an interview with Rita Rollins, a Navy Nurse with an interesting story to tell.---the crucial part in question reads as follows:

"The name of the person in Dallas...is Inez Robertson. CHUCK ROBERTSON, HER HUSBAND, WORKS AT THE POST OFFICE...Inez Robertson, actually saw them [men with guns] make a breakdown of the rifles. This tall man with long grey or white hair[-]he was in the station wagon. There is a luggage rack on the station wagon. It was a Rambler station wagon. This fellow with the mixed grey hair carried them [the armed men] to the airport...This tall man had been around Dallas the day before the assassination...THIS EPISODE HAS CAUSED FRICTION BETWEEN CHUCK ROBERTSON AND INEZ ROBERTSON. HE IS NOT IN DALLAS NOW." [emphasis added]

The fourth can be found in the WC volumes: 17 H 749 (CE 705: the DPD Channel 2 transcripts)---

"One of the SECRET SERVICE MEN ON THE FIELD---ELM AND HOUSTON; said it came over the teletype that one of the Secret Service men had been killed." [emphasis added]

-----

Finally, here are excerpts from my article about the "dead" agent:

In the July, 1997 JFK Deep Politics Quarterly article "Jim Fox and the Dead Secret Service Agent Story," Mark Crouch raised some fascinating possibilities. In fact, I was so inspired by that article that I finally decided to do something I should have done a long time ago: namely, detail every scrap of data concerning this mystery, as well as the one concerning the "agent(s)" of unknown repute spotted in Dealey Plaza immediately after the assassination.

First things first, however -- here is every known reference to the dead agent I could find as reported in the media on November 22, 1963.

Eddie Barker, KRLD-TV, a CBS affiliate, noted, "The word is that the President was killed, one of his agents is dead, and Governor Connally was wounded."

ABC News in Washington reported, "A Secret Service agent apparently was shot by one of the assassin's bullets."

ABC's Bill Lord report included, "Did confirm the death of the secret service agent... one of the Secret Service agents was killed...Secret Service agents usually walk right beside the car."

ABC Washington also noted, "One of the Secret Service agents traveling with the President was killed today."

The Associated Press (AP) was quoted on WFAA (ABC):"A Secret Service agent and a Dallas policeman were shot and killed some distance from where the President was shot."

At 12:45 p.m. CST, KRLD-TV, a CBS affiliate, reported that a Secret Service agent had been killed along with the President.

At 1:23 pm, CST, CBS's Walter Cronkite reported, "A Secret Service man was also killed in the fusillade of shots."

Seth Kantor, a reporter for Scripps-Howard, would write in his notebook, which was published by the Warren Commission [20H 410] "They even have to die in secret."

At 2:14, the AP again made note: "A Secret Service Agent and a Dallas policeman were shot and killed today.

The Dallas Police radio, channel two, also carried the story: (2:40 p.m.) "One of the Secret Service men on the field--Elm and Houston, said that it came over his Teletype that one of the Secret Service men had been killed."

The Dallas Times Herald , dateline November 22, 1963, added, "From the Secret Service office in Dallas--a spokesman could neither confirm or deny the report: 'All I've heard is the same reports you've heard [sic]'."

At 3:40 p.m. Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Robert A. Wallace reported, "No Secret Service man was injured in the attack on President Kennedy," a denial of sorts, but it does not indicate if one was killed, or if there was violence away from "the attack on President Kennedy."

Beyond this, several authors, this one included, have come upon information that, in one way or another, appears to corroborate the story to a certain extent. What follows is a listing of these findings.

In High Treason 2 (p. 439), DNC advance man Marty Underwood said to Harry Livingstone-- "There were a couple of suicides in the thing, with the Secret Service and everything..." Livingstone: "Do you remember who committed suicide?" Underwood: "I don't remember. I think there were a couple...." [He is then cut off by Livingstone.]

Secondly, in this author's book The Third Alternative (p. 36): "While all three major television networks reported that "A Secret Service agent and a Dallas policeman were shot and killed' on 11/22/63, only to be officially corrected later by Secret Service officials, this author learned from Crouch, [Mark Crouch,friend and confidante of PRS agent/photographer James K. "Jack" Fox] that Agent Fox stated that the story was true!! According to Crouch, Fox was working in theExecutive Office Building on 11/ 22/63 (where the PRS office was), when he was asked by SAIC of PRS Robert Bouck to get ready a detail of four to six agents to assist in retrieving the body and casket of the unnamed Secret Service agent. Fox told Crouch, "We lost a man that day- our man ,' and qualified his remarks by stating that he was not referring to JFK!

This was a deathbed confession of sorts, -- Fox died not long after telling Crouch this in the early 1980's [ed. note: Fox died in 1987]. (Interestingly, although having heard the news reports that stated that the President's limousine raced to Parkland Hospital after the shooting, Mrs. Bill Greer thought for several hours that her husband had perished that day! Since she knew that Greer was the driver of JFK's car, this appears to be a strange admission. See Death of a President, p. 354, 1988 edition; interview of Richard Greer, 10/7/91)";

Third, from Richard Trask's Pictures of the Pain, (p. 50): Mrs. Cecil Stoughton had similar concerns about her husband to those of Mrs. Greer cited above, no doubt due to these same reports...

RE: MOTORCYCLES--- 20 H 489: DPD Captain Perdue Lawrence (rode in the advance car) Exhibit re: motorcycle distribution DATED NOVEMBER 21, 1963, the day before the assassination [handwritten comments from 7/24/64]:

In addition to DPD motorcycles officers B.W. Hargis and B.J. Martin, H.B. MCLAIN AND J.W. COURSON WERE SLATED TO RIDE ON THE LEFT SIDE OF JFK'S LIMOUSINE. Also, in addition to DPD motorcycl officers D.L.Jackson and J.M. Chaney, C.A. HAYGOOD AND M.L. BAKER WERE SLATED TO RIDE ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF JFK'S LIMOUSINE!

3 H 244: DPD motorcycle officer M.L. Baker testified that there was a last minute change made at Love Field-told to stay to the rear of limousine [baker evidently interpreted this as WAY back];

6 H 293: DPD motorcycle officer B.J. Martin testified that they were instructed to stay to the rear of the limousine;

7 H 580-581: DPD Captain Perdue Lawrence testified that the Secret Service told them to stay to the rear on the evening of 11/21/63 [based off JFK's alleged "desires", debunked by my Secret Service interviews and previous motorcades, inc. in Texas and Florida in November 1963: how convenient---JFK's "desires" coincided with his assassination!];

21 H 571: DPD Asst. Chief Charles Batchelor----"[DPD Captain Perdue] Lawrence then said there would be four (4) motorcycles on either side of the motorcade immediately to the rear of the President's vehicle [as borne out by his 11/21/63 report]. MR. LAWSON [OF THE SECRET SERVICE] STATED THAT THIS WAS TOO MANY, that HE thought two (2) motorcycles on either side would be sufficient, about even with the rear fender of the President's car." [emphasis added];

4 H 338: Secret Service agent Winston G. Lawson--- DULLES: "...do you recall that any orders were given by or on behalf of the President with regard to the location of those motorcycles that were particularly attached to his car?' LAWSON: "NOT SPECIFICALLY AT THIS INSTANCE ORDERS FROM HIM." [emphasis added---Lawson would go on to say that "it was my understanding that he did not like a lot of motorcycles surrounding the car", something not borne out by very recent prior motorcades!!!];

20 H 453; 463-465: DPD Captain Glen King---stated that the Secret Service was PRIMARILY responsible for the President's security, while the role of the DPD was a SUPPORTIVE one [in keeping with all prior motorcades in 1963]

-------- WILL FRITZ'S MEN OUT OF THE MOTORCADE: 20 H 391: Seth Kantor's notes----"Will Fritz's men called off nite before by SS. Had planned to ride closed car w/ machine guns in car behind Pres." [which could mean someplace behind JFK's car, as was the case in New York on 11/15/63];

--------- PRESS OUT OF THE PICTURE: 6 H 163: DMN reporter Tom Dillard---"We lost our position at the airport. I understood we were to have been quite a bit closer. We were assigned as the prime photographic car which, as you probably know, NORMALLY A TRUCK PRECEDS THE PRESIDENT ON THESE THINGS [MOTORCADES] AND CERTAIN REPRESENTATIVES OF THE PHOTOGRAPHIC PRESS RIDE WITH THE TRUCK. In this case, as you know, we didn't have any and this car That I was in was to take photographs which was of spot-news nature." [emphasis added]. Dillard forcefully said the same thing on C-Span on 11/20/93, telling the tv audience that the flatbed truck was "cancelled at the last minute" and they were put in Chevrolet convertibles "which totally put us out of the picture." [all previous trips, inc. Florida, has press/ photographers very close in front and behind JFk's limousine, inc. WH photographer Cecil Stoughton, who rode in the SS follow-up car from July 1963 until 11/21/63---he was relegated to one of the aforementioned convertibles and would NOT tell me who placed him away from the limo!

In addition, Godfrey McHugh was told, for the first time, to please not ride in the limousine, as he and/ or Ted Clifton often did; however, bith the Secret Service and (recently) Ken O'Donnell have been blamed for this, although McHugh earlier had mentioned only the SS to CFTR radio in 1976, years before the Ralph Martin book!];

--------- MOTORCADE ROUTE: 4 H 169: DPD Chief Jesse Curry---testified that he was not consulted about the motorcade route!; >From WC document-Griffin to Rankin re: Dallas PD: "From an administrative standpoint, (DPD's Charles) Batchelor believed that the failure of the Secret Service to inform the police adequately in advance of the exact route to be taken by the president prevented them from adequately organizing their men and taking the necessary security precautions.";

-------- OVERPASSES (AND THE UMBRELLA MAN)-DISTRACTIONS?: 21 H 564: DPD Asst. Chief Charles Batchelor---"He [Lawson of the SECRET SERVICE] also stated that we should have men on each railroad and traffic overpass that the presidential party would go under, and that these people should be instructed NOT TO LET ANYONE STAND OVER THE IMMEDIATE PATH OF THE PRESIDENTIAL PARTY." [emphasisi added---not adhered to in Dealey Plaza!];

4 H 327: Secret Service agent Winston G. Lawson himself testifies that "any citizen", no exceptions, were to be kept off overpasses. In fact, 4 H 351: Lawson testified: "I recall thinking we were coming to an overpass now, so I glanced up to see if it was clear, the way most of them had been, THE WAY ALL OF THEM HAD BEEN UP UNTIL THAT TIME ON THE WAY DOWNTOWN, AND IT WAS NOT...And I was looking for the officer WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN THERE, HAD BEEN REQUESTED TO BE THERE...and I made a kind of motion through the windshield trying to get his attention to move the people from over our path THE WAY IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN...we were just approaching this overpass when I heard a shot." [emphasis added---was this a visual distraction, as the umbrella man was? In the new Z-film video---the sprocket area---Secret Service agent Clint Hill, in particular, is seemingly transfixed on the umbrella man DURING the initial shooting!];

2 H 119: Fellow Secret Service agent William R. Greer, the driver of the limo, conveniently didn't really remember anyone (except MAYBE one police officer) on the overpass!;

------------- "SECRET SERVICE AGENT(S)" IN DEALEY PLAZA/ KNOLL/ TSBD: 6 H 312: D.V. Harkness; 7 H 535: DPD officer Joe M. Smith; 7 H 107: Seymour Weitzman; 6 H 196: Ronald Fischer; 20 H 443: SS Inspector Kelley re: LHO!

18 H 887: "Gen. C.A. Willoughby" on the Young Americans for Freedom National Board!;

5 H 454-455;457-458: Secret Service Chief James J. Rowley---testifies about Secret Service agent Abraham W. Bolden, Sr. re: Bolden's allegations of laxity and his legal troubles [bolden was shocked that he was mentioned at all in the 26 volumes---he never knew he was in them, let alone testimony from the Chief!];

1 H 399: Robert Oswald---Marguerite shown Ruby's photo NOVEMBER 23, the day BEFORE Ruby shoots LHO! Who showed her the photo? SECRET SERVICE AGENT MIKE HOWARD!

18 H 795: Secret Service agent Andy Berger---writes in his SS report that "AN UNIDENTIFIED CIA AGENT" who had "CREDENTIALS" made himself available at Parkland while JFK was there (this is seperate from FBI agent Vincent Drain, who identified himself and was sent via Hoover, and an "unidentified FBI agent" who did NOT have credentials!;

17 H 566: THE SOURCE FOR FBI MAN WILLIAM WALTHER'S TELETYPE?

17 H 574: a bomb threat in El Paso, TX on 6/5/63---JFK, Connally, and LBJ were there (although LBJ was not in the motorcade) to start the planning of the upcoming Texas trip for NOVEMBER 21-23, 1963!!!;

18 H 692: Confirmation that Godfrey McHugh did indeed come from Fort Worth, as Harry Livingstone wrote in "High Treason 2", pp. 567-568;

17 H 870-895: the Secret Service's 12/5/63 re-enactment photo album [A.K.A. "WHY THE B&$%# DIDN'T THE TSBD SHOOTER SHOOT AT JFK WHEN THE PRESIDENT WAS TRAVELLING DOWN HOUSTON STREET?!?!);

19 H 42: BEVERLY OLIVER? [in dispute];

19 H 148: "R.A. WHITE";

20 H 784---THE FIRST ALTERATIONIST?:

from transcript of a speech by Revilo P. Oliver from 1964:

"Oswald, as we all know, killed Kennedy. There is only one uncertainty, whether another Communist sharpshooter participated in the assassination. There is a good deal of evidence, INCLUDING THAT OF PERSONS WHO SAY THEY SAW THE NEWSREEL FILM BEFORE IT WAS TAMPERED WITH, and the reported opinions of the physicians who examined the body in Dallas, that four shots were fired---not three--and that at least one of them came from a different location. That, of course, is the kind of evidence that Earl Warren will probably do his best to suppress [emphasis added]".;

20 H 510: Photo of General Walker's backyard---this time the license plate is allowed to remain intact!!!!;

20 H 356 and 411: San Antonio Congressman Henry Gonzalez obtained Connally's clothing/ effects, but 6 H 118: they first went to LBJ aide Cliff Carter! (?);

20 H 445: SECRET SERVICE AGENT ROGER WARNER in Parkland Hospital with LHO [more corronboration for Dr. Crenshaw];

20 H 161, 163: photos of Dealey Plaza---see Stemmons Sign...;

19 H 690: UNDERSECRETARY OF THE NAVY PAUL "RED" FAY, A VERY CLOSE FRIEND OF PRESIDENT KENNEDY FROM WWII DAYS, REVIEWED AND APPROVED THE NO-CHANGE DECISION RE: LHO'S UNDESIRABLE DISCHARGE!!!;

19 H 711, 713: LHO/ Connally letters [Korth];

19 H 656, 717: LHO's "13-inch head", as per Jack White :-);

18 H 96: Arlen Specter way off trajectory (photo)!;

17 H 485: DPD Channel 2 transcript---DPD wanted to hold the two Secret Service cars (the limo and the follow-up)at parkland to PRINT THEM!!!;

16 H 950-951: V.P. Detail of SS Shift Report for 11/22/63--- SAIC H. STUART KNIGHT ASAIC RUFUS W. YOUNGBLOOD ATSAIC THOMAS LEM JOHNS (18 H 814: "ATSAIC [PAUL] RUNDLE")

18 H 14, 31: Re: David Ferrie!;

13 H 214, 352: "Rocco took pictures"---is this Larry Ronco, Oliver's friend?;

16 H 721: recorded interview (transcript) of Marguerite Oswald by Secret Service agent Mike Howard---"Harvey Lee Oswald": first time corrected, second time not corrected;

6 H PLUS 17 H 1-48: Parkland Hospital medical reports/ testimony;

9 H 179, 199, 273: George De Mohrenschildt's friendship with Jackie Kennedy and the Auchincloss family;

9 H 235: De Mohrenschildt's friendship plus with the CIA's J. Walter Moore;

11 H 330-331: Dean Andrews---testified that LHO couldn't have killed JFK;

21 H 150-269: Price Exhibits

22 H 710-712: Palmer McBride

22 H 931-932: Shari Angel Weston

23 H 817: 11/22/63 FBI report---interview of Roger Craig

24 H 23: 11/25/63 FBI report---second interview of Roger Craig

24 H 765: transcript of Chief Curry's comments on WFAA/ ABC for 11/23/63 re: Craig's negro in a car

25 H 171: Earlene Roberts re: police car blowing horn

25 H 378-380: re: Ruby in Houston 11/21/63!

25 H 721-722, 725, 844-850: re: Secret Service agent Mike Howard and brother Pat and the allegation that they deliberately planted story that a janitor saw LHO pull trigger

25 H 769: Douglas Jones/ Jones Printing Co.---did not believe LHO ordered Hands Off Cuba handbills

26 H 63: re: John Thomas Masen

26 H 79-84: re: Joachim Joesten

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Edited January 27, 2010 by Bernice Moore

[John Dolva]

I've repeatedly suggested that whoever can identify the four/five Postal Inspectors who viewed the assassination from Harry D. Holmes office (PI, pally with Fritz, SS agents, FBI Informant DA-T7, as described by self an amazing memory, but no memory of who was with him on the day)) overlooking DP, will have opened an avenue that may very well lead to a solution. (thanks for the highlighting, Bernice.)

"Jones/ Shaw: "Our 1965 investigation lead us to believe Robertson was in Dallas but was posing as a Postal Inspector,"...then he disappears...

"The name of the person in Dallas...is Inez Robertson. Chuck Robertson, her husband, works at the post office..."

"A Western Union man" ...who got it from someone... "who got it from a friend who got it from a Postman"

"...he did not want any part of it." ie if true, definitely a danger, targeted for a disappearance.

One of the four/five? intriguing

Expendable? hmmmm...why? Maybe he could identify the others?

How was he expended? (if he was).

Given the varying testimony of Tippit shooting re shooter, Could there have been two melded into one with Tippit justifying the SS agent killing? (away from the scene, explaining a discrepancy in the dictabelt timing, ie the dictabelt captured the Tippit/SS shooting? For this there needs (it seems to me) to be an unaccounted for MC officer. Is there one?

Then there's the second revolver... a drop-gun switcheroo?

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Edited January 27, 2010 by John Dolva

[Will Emaus]

yeah, Will, thank you. So it was roughly when Tippit was shot that an SS agent was shot...that adds a strange twist to things. Not sure I'd want to go there, It's probabaly a mistake, like in a chinese whisper game.

John, is a "fog of war" mistake sort of the consensus regarding this?

Assuming no one ever reported witnessing an SS Agent shot in the procession, there would seem to be three possible scenarios:

A. Honest fog of war reporting mistake

B. Legit agent or other "good guy" killed by a conspirator and covered up

C. Conspirator killed by either Law enforcement or other conspirator and covered up

The reason I ask if fog of war is sort of the general opinion is because it would seem that B or C would be important enough to come to some conclusion about, and through all of Vince's great research into B it kind of stops short of an answer.

The 4th shot could be a chinese whisper story, it could be a freudian slip too...

[John Dolva]

Will, I can only speculate, and that from a perspective that local elements were involved. If this is so, there would have been a flexible plan for sequence of events which would allow for B and C. Then the dissemination of information would be more prone to mistakes, and as controllers of this dissemination more rapidly ''rectified''. So, yes, a freudian slip at any time fits.

I think Vince's research necessarily would stop short of an answer, many didn't talk but hinted : it was too dangerous. There may have been a shoot out by a conspiracy defector and Law enforcement for various reasons like legit versus, or Conspirator/s versus, with Oswald as patsy here too. If the house Tippit pulled up at was indeed a safe houseit it's a possible, plus the back alley, way of removing the SS agent and leaving Tippit. (there's an opportunityineverything) Then one could perhaps glean an explanation for discrepancies of bullets, weapons, shooter/s, sequences.

Naturally, with all the confusion, the fog of war perspective is valid, but as I understand the term there is a Dogma impetus to it, so in a way it again may be a natural result of the evolution of events which does not negate an SS agents death..

[Guest John Gillespie]

Chuck, I agree with you that the pool of blood and the dead agent are connected. Vince Palamara told me that he was never able to track down who that agent was.

I suggest that the agent wasn't an agent at all, but a military intelligence operative who was in Dealey Plaza that day. The were 8-12 MI people n the Plaza and according to their commander's testimony before the WC, they may have been carrying SS identification that day.

Another interesting tidbit comes from Bethesda, where according to David Lifton and Harry Livingstone, the body of an "Army or Air Force Major" showed up for autopsy on the evening of the 22nd. The medical people at Bethesda told these authors that they were ordered NOT to log in the body of the Major, a highly unusual departure from normal procedure.

It is hard to imagine a motive, other than one sinister, for not following procedure in regards to this body.

It is again, my opinion, that this body was "used" as a substitute for Kennedys, in as much as the vital statistics (weight of the brain, etc.) was concerned.

It is also my opinion, that this Major could likely be the misidentified "dead secret service agent" that vanished into history.

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Absolutely fascinating posting. I had completly forgotten over the years about the body at Bethesda. However, I need you to elaborate a bit on 'operative' as opposed to Agent - not just in a general sense but in this very context. Great posting.

JG

[Will Emaus]

Will, I can only speculate, and that from a perspective that local elements were involved. If this is so, there would have been a flexible plan for sequence of events which would allow for B and C. Then the dissemination of information would be more prone to mistakes, and as controllers of this dissemination more rapidly ''rectified''. So, yes, a freudian slip at any time fits.

I think Vince's research necessarily would stop short of an answer, many didn't talk but hinted : it was too dangerous. There may have been a shoot out by a conspiracy defector and Law enforcement for various reasons like legit versus, or Conspirator/s versus, with Oswald as patsy here too. If the house Tippit pulled up at was indeed a safe houseit it's a possible, plus the back alley, way of removing the SS agent and leaving Tippit. (there's an opportunityineverything) Then one could perhaps glean an explanation for discrepancies of bullets, weapons, shooter/s, sequences.

Naturally, with all the confusion, the fog of war perspective is valid, but as I understand the term there is a Dogma impetus to it, so in a way it again may be a natural result of the evolution of events which does not negate an SS agents death..

Thanks John, didn't mean to put you on the spot but I wanted to get a sense of whether others still regarded this topic as valid or something chalked up to an honest mistake; personally it just doesn't seem like an honest mistake whenever I hear it when I'm watching clips from Nov. 22 and yet it seems to be regarded as a sort of fringe topic. I mean, you could kill off a second gunman and hide it with a cover like this, especially when others talk about 2 brains, multiple caskets, etc...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LklJIZwxU28&fmt=18

Here again at about 1:33pm, Bill Lord on ABC gets from the sheriff's office confirmation that an SS agent has died, but then they simultaneously report that the sheriff's office has a great deal of rumor that we wouldn't want to pass along, we'll stick with the facts; seemingly they don't regard the SS agent's death to be in that category.

[Guest John Gillespie]

yeah, Will, thank you. So it was roughly when Tippit was shot that an SS agent was shot...that adds a strange twist to things. Not sure I'd want to go there, It's probabaly a mistake, like in a chinese whisper game.

John, is a "fog of war" mistake sort of the consensus regarding this?

Assuming no one ever reported witnessing an SS Agent shot in the procession, there would seem to be three possible scenarios:

A. Honest fog of war reporting mistake

B. Legit agent or other "good guy" killed by a conspirator and covered up

C. Conspirator killed by either Law enforcement or other conspirator and covered up

The reason I ask if fog of war is sort of the general opinion is because it would seem that B or C would be important enough to come to some conclusion about, and through all of Vince's great research into B it kind of stops short of an answer.

The 4th shot could be a chinese whisper story, it could be a freudian slip too...

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5. Red herring

6. Disinformation

JG