Zapruder with sound

[John K. White]

I posted this as a reply to a reply on my question about the stare of death photo, but I thought I would repost as a stand alone topic to get feedback...

I remember seeing one TV special that focused on the dictabelt recordings, and they matched up the sound with a viewing of the Zapruder film. Of course, it was an educated guess for them... they matched the sound of the first shot with JFK reacting to the throat shot. What intrigued me, was the last shots were right on top of each other - bang, bang - and the first of those shots was the explosive headshot, and the last shot appeared to strike the exposed brain and continue on. There was a noticable stream of blood and tissue moving forward off of his head, that did not appear to be blood spurting from an artery or vain, after the sound of the last shot. That was something I hadn't perceived until hearing the shots while viewing the film.

I hypothesize that that last shot struck soft brain tissue, and continued on to strike the curb, and then struck James Tague.

This idea adds strength to the argument that there were two distinct volleys of shots, with the radio men - guided by Umbrella Man's signal - telling the shooters more shots were needed.

The other thing I would like feedback on is the theory put forward on the Morningstar website that J.D. Tippit was the knoll gunman, based on a comparison of a rare Tippit photo and the Badgeman photo... It would explain the need to take him out after the assassination...

[Larry Peters]

Miller took the Zapruder film and placed the sounds of rifle shots at four places that were supported by the photographical evidence alone. The first shot between the Betzner and Willis photo when JFK immediately starts his right hand coming down to a defensive position (Z193/94/95), again at Z223/24 when Connally grimaces in pain, again at Z312/313 when the head explodes, and once again when Moorman takes her photo at Z315/16 capturing the flash of the Badge Man's rifle. He has said he'll email anyone the clip if they ask him for it. You can contact him at IMSJLE@AOL.Com.

It's interesting that the last two shots are so close together that they could be thought of as one shot during one playing of the film or the sonic boom effect that Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman described hearing when listening to it another time.

[John K. White]

Miller took the Zapruder film and placed the sounds of rifle shots at four places that were supported by the photographical evidence alone. The first shot between the Betzner and Willis photo when JFK immediately starts his right hand coming down to a defensive position (Z193/94/95), again at Z223/24 when Connally grimaces in pain, again at Z312/313 when the head explodes, and once again when Moorman takes her photo at Z315/16 capturing the flash of the Badge Man's rifle. He has said he'll email anyone the clip if they ask him for it. You can contact him at IMSJLE@AOL.Com.

It's interesting that the last two shots are so close together that they could be thought of as one shot during one playing of the film or the sonic boom effect that Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman described hearing when listening to it another time.

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Thanks for the email address. I will follow up on that.

[Jack White]

Miller took the Zapruder film and placed the sounds of rifle shots at four places that were supported by the photographical evidence alone. The first shot between the Betzner and Willis photo when JFK immediately starts his right hand coming down to a defensive position (Z193/94/95), again at Z223/24 when Connally grimaces in pain, again at Z312/313 when the head explodes, and once again when Moorman takes her photo at Z315/16 capturing the flash of the Badge Man's rifle. He has said he'll email anyone the clip if they ask him for it. You can contact him at IMSJLE@AOL.Com.

It's interesting that the last two shots are so close together that they could be thought of as one shot during one playing of the film or the sonic boom effect that Secret Service Agent Roy Kellerman described hearing when listening to it another time.

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Thanks for the email address. I will follow up on that.

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The Zapruder film with the sound of shots was produced by Robert Groden (not Bill Miller). Groden originally produced it to show to the HSCA. He did two different versions. Later, one of the versions was included in a documentary WITHOUT EXPLANING that the sound was DUBBED by Groden. Zapruder's 8mm camera DID NOT HAVE SOUND. This is unfortunate since many people now believe that the sound was on the Zfilm.

Jack

[Larry Peters]

The Zapruder film with the sound of shots was produced by Robert

Groden (not Bill Miller). Groden originally produced it to show

to the HSCA. He did two different versions. Later, one

of the versions was included in a documentary WITHOUT

EXPLANING that the sound was DUBBED by Groden. Zapruder's

8mm camera DID NOT HAVE SOUND. This is unfortunate since

many people now believe that the sound was on the Zfilm.

Jack

Mr. White - Robert Groden did place the sound of shots onto the silent Zapruder film, but did so starting back at the time of the splice as I recall. Groden did not create his version with any correlation to the witnesses statements and what is seen on the Zapruder film, but rather his work was in correlation to the sounds on the dictabelt. Groden did two versions - one with the first shot missing the limo and the last shot hitting the President in the head and another version where the third shot out of the known four shot sequence had hit the President in the head. What Bill Miller did was correlate the sounds of gunfire with when the witnesses said they heard them, along with when the people inside the car appeared to have been reacting to being struck and there lies the difference.

Edited July 22, 2004 by Larry Peters