Bill Decker and John Tower

[Robert Howard]

I have Jim Gatewood's bio of Decker, Bill, what would you like to know?

If your thinking "Does he mention Wean's "story," the answer is no.

There is no mention of Audie Murphy, Senator John Tower, et cetera.

I used to have Wean's book, I hated it because it was sort of like

a minaturized version of Piper's Final Judgement....and a serious

overuse of the word Mishapuka.

The URL below gets into some of this.....

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread351437/pg1

When I had the book, I searched various databases

which are my wont, and found no corroboration for any

of the allegations Wean made. The fact that I ditched the book

says alot regarding my perspective....FWIW

A quote attributed to Jim Hougan about Watergate is, also applicable to the JFK Assassination

which is "if one tries to understand Watergate in terms of a single monolithic operation

conducted by a team of spooks with a unified goal, it will defy understanding."

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

Last year, I made a post, then had trouble updating my account and was shut out, and just now, I tried to get in and could. I’ll be making some posts in this forum, and we will see where it might lead. I am in the middle of reading David Talbot’s The Devil’s Chessboard, and it is the first JFK book I have read since Douglass’s JFK and the Unspeakable. Before that, it had been quite a few years since I read much JFK-related literature.

Let me set the record straight on Gary Wean. He was a friend, and his advice was critical in helping me bust my partner out of jail. In his book, Gary named names, but did not name John Tower until his second edition in 1996, several years after Tower’s “untimely” end. I consider that Tower was likely a “loose end” that somebody cleaned up, and whether it was related to the JFK hit or not, I sure don’t know, but nothing would surprise me.

Many members of this forum are far better read than I am on the JFK hit. I first read of the Tower/Decker/Murphy conversation when I was trying to prevent my partner from never living to see this side of the bars again, and Gary’s book was too harrowing to fully read at the time. I have since read it more than once, and find myself referring to it now and again, when something else comes up related to it, such as that allege sex tape with JFK and Monroe. Gary saw Fred Otash setting up his surveillance equipment for Lawford’s home, trying to tap his phone line. Gary thought that Otash never succeeded in putting surveillance equipment in Lawford’s home. Gary was in the midst of all kinds of activities like that. If Gary said that he saw something, I believe him. Gary’s career was very much like what we see in LA Confidential, but unlike in the Hollywood movies, Gary’s story did not have a happy ending, as he died in exile, destitute, in Oregon.

Interestingly, a retired policeman who actually witnessed one of the events that Gary wrote about in his book struck up a relationship with me and once visited me, and he dished on more than a few events that happened in that milieu, and he could vouch for at least one event that Gary wrote about, and he really appreciated the events that Gary wrote about.

I had little awareness of the JFK hit until reading Gary’s account, and I spent the next dozen years, looking into the evidence, on and off, before I had anything to say about it publicly. Gary’s testimony was always the center of gravity of my JFK studies. I never saw a convincing piece of evidence falsify Gary’s story, and over the years, new documents surfaced that gave Gary’s story vastly more credibility, such as the Operation Northwoods documents. As far as I am concerned, Oswald was an intelligence asset that took the fall, and at this time, I am onboard with the idea that JFK was taken out by the MIC because he tried to end the Cold War. Many interests wanted JFK taken out, but only the MIC could pull it off and cover it up. Because of Gary’s cop activities, what he saw was mind-blowing. The Tower conversation was far from Gary’s only connection with the JFK hit, as he saw Jack Ruby in Mick Cohen’s entourage and had a conversation with him, way back in 1947. Ruby was no two-bit hood.

Because Gary was a cop and detective, solving the crime was his job, so his attempts to solve the JFK hit are understandable. The Jewish mob angle is certainly worth considering, and Ruby’s involvement definitely points to the Mob’s involvement, and maybe even the Jewish mob, but I think that they were more mechanics than masterminds, and just more assets that came in useful. I know way more about the Mob than I want to, with friends and relatives being involved, as either targets of hits, “befriended” by the Mob, and other relationships, and our big time attorney found out firsthand about how corrupt the Ninth District Federal Court is, with one of Cohen’s protégés sitting on the bench today in his 90s, as a noted “liberal” judge.

Kind of funnily, that policeman pal challenged Gary for going off on Jews like he did late in his book, but a few years later, after Gary died and the Jewish neocons began what could become known as World War III, my cop pal openly wondered if maybe Gary was right all along.

For myself, I doubt that the crime will ever be solved, with the perpetrators dragged into a court (they are probably all dead by now, especially the masterminds), and for me, I am certain that Oswald was no lone nut and that the official investigation were shams, compromised by people such as Allen Dulles.

All that I can really say here of alleged substance is that if Gary reported that conversation with Tower, Murphy, and Decker, three weeks after the JFK hit, you can take that to the bank. It really happened. What it all meant is open to interpretation. Gary’s close connection to Murphy is well known (he was Murphy’s bodyguard at times), and Murphy’s connection to Decker is also well known (Decker presided over Murphy’s wedding). And Tower, of course, has many well-known connections to people suspected of being involved in the JFK hit.

I have seen all manner of accusation hurled at Gary over the years, impugning his integrity for his admittedly right-wing political views, but Gary was there, a professional in the middle of amazing events, and anything that he said he witnessed, I do not doubt.

Best,

Wade

Edited December 7, 2015 by Wade Frazier

[Paul Brancato]

Thanks for posting Wade. This story was made easier to dismiss when it turned out that Wean believed in some Jewish conspiracy. It's a simplistic way of identifying power structures to say they are Jewish, or Nazis, or mafia, or Skull and Bones. Such positions hurt ones credibility. Having said that, I otherwise think his story is interesting, and I do not dismiss him out of hand.

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Paul:

Gary’s “conspiracy theories” were far different from the usual armchair conspiracist’s Jewish notions. Gary’s job was tailing Mick Cohen. He surveilled meetings that Cohen had with some pretty high flyers, such as Menachem Begin. Cohen, like a typical gangster, hung out at boxing arenas, racetracks, ethnic restaurants (Yiddish, in Cohen’s case), etc. Gary saw Jack Ruby at the racetrack with Cohen, back in 1946, when Gary was directing traffic. Cohen gave Gary the numbers to win $2,000 the last night of the season, at the racetrack where Gary was directing traffic. Gary had a chat with Ruby the next year, when Ruby said that the West Coast was no longer the fertile field for the Mob that it used to be, with World War II over, and that Havana and New Orleans were the next big plays. That was a very interesting conversation. Vegas did not become big until Castro’s revolution kicked the Mob out of Cuba, and I have some interesting Vegas connections. Corporate America squeezed the Mob out of Vegas, and they were reduced to being the silent partners of Indian casinos (I heard that through a tribal member).

Gary once tailed Cohen to a meeting that he had with a bunch of Jewish lawyers (Gary’s “Mishpuckas”), and one of them still sits on the federal bench today, in his 90s, and is a noted “liberal” judge, which makes for great cover. They began scuttling Gary’s career early on, which is why he originally got a job in Ventura County. He went back to LA to become an investigator for the DA’s office, when he had his fateful meeting with Decker, Tower, and Murphy.

Gary got caught in the crossfire of evil dealings in Ventura County, which ended his career. They tried to get his help in framing somebody, and when Gary refused, he was framed instead.

Again, for me, what Gary said that he witnessed are data points for me. What he put together, from the pieces of evidence that he had, is another matter. He was just doing what cops and detectives do. For me, we ran into the people who run the world, or perhaps more accurately, they ran into us. I doubt that they were a bunch of Jews. But Gary’s notion of an organized crime ring in California, that is Jewish and run by judges and other pillars of the establishment, is not farfetched at all. There are numerous organized crimes rings in California, but the most powerful crime rings run the system. This, we discovered the hard way. California is the heart of darkness, with many levels of evil playing out there. Several of my free energy brethren had their lives ruined in California, sometimes barely surviving the experience (1, 2, 3), and other times “only” being radicalized. This is far from confined to exotic technology, as Rodney Stich discovered the hard way. They can simply make it up as they go in California, as our big time attorney discovered the hard way. Mopping up the floor of the USA’s Supreme Court with the IRS was meaningless when he ran afoul of the gangsters in the Ninth District Court.

One of the “funniest” anecdotes in Gary’s book was a meeting that he had with a Chicago mobster who “retired” to the sun and fun of Southern California, and he asked Gary to meet with him. When they met, the mobster marveled at how sweet the racket was in Ventura County, as the entire system, up to the judges on the Superior Court, was a well-oiled machine. The mobster said that it went beyond the wildest dreams of the Chicago mob. That is the milieu where I had my life wrecked. There is nothing that anybody could report on Ventura County that would surprise me. The judges controlled the drug trade there. A couple years after my partner got kangarooed, the Rodney King beating verdict caused riots. I have little doubt that the venue was moved to Ventura County because rigging juries is their specialty.

The man who ran the “investigation” and prosecution of us, who made faces at me when I was on the witness stand, which was the turning point of my life, retired to a hero’s farewell several years ago, and our case was the triumph of his career. His annual pension is a quarter million dollars a year. Working for the forces of darkness pays well, for a while, and all it costs you is your soul.

Ventura County’s real estate tycoon back then (Bud Smith – I’ll name him because he is dead, and I could tell a few Bud Smith stories) made his initial fortune in the drug trade, smuggling in shipments through Port Hueneme and other ways. I knew the man was a gangster before I ever heard of Gary. People who crossed him simply disappeared.

I’ll tell just one more anecdote in this post. When Gary was a tailing Cohen, he and his partner tailed a couple of Cohen’s goons to a nightclub, where they met with Smith. Across the room were some DEA guys that they recognized. Gary’s partner went over to talk to the DEA guys, and they had been tailing Smith for a long time, and did not recognized Cohen’s goons. Smith was always too wily for them and was never caught, and was a pillar of Ventura County, building its only high rise buildings.

For Gary to put together all that he saw and bore the brunt of into a “Jewish Conspiracy” is very understandable, and when people dismissed Gary’s testimony because of that, they lost their credibility with me.

Best,

Wade

Edited December 7, 2015 by Wade Frazier

[Dawn Meredith]

Wow, if this was true, and Tower may well have been in a position to know, this is huge.

Dawn

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I write about science a lot, and what it does, what it is good for, and what its limitations are, and I want to make a distinction between facts and hypotheses. Facts are the raw material of what scientists work with, while hypotheses are the “connecting-the-dots” that scientists do. Facts are not hypotheses, and I see them confused all the time among laymen, and scholars have similar processes and ideals. Gary’s reporting of his conversation with John Tower, et. al., is not a hypothesis or theory, but his reporting of the facts. People can dispute Gary’s facts, but reporting facts is not spinning hypotheses. Gary does spin hypotheses when he develops the scenario of Jewish mobsters being behind the JFK hit (they were certainly involved, IMO, with Jack Ruby’s involvement), but that is a different animal from reporting his experiences. Gary was a trained cop and detective, so accurate reporting of the “facts” was his profession. It was up to the courts and the like to determine the accurate scenarios that those facts came from, and determine guilt, etc.

That can really seem elementary, but I have seen Gary’s reporting of the John Tower conversation many times called a theory or hypothesis, when it is nothing of the sort. Conflating facts and theories is a logical fallacy at best, and from what I have seen, when they have been conflated in Gary’s case, his hypotheses have been an excuse to dismiss his reporting of the facts. I have seen far less credible witnesses given serious consideration, such as Milteer.

Best,

Wade

Edited December 7, 2015 by Wade Frazier

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Dawn:

Yes, pretty big, I suppose. I’ll write more later, but the lesson for me with the JFK hit is how unimportant the USA’s president is. He can get murdered in broad daylight in front of hundreds of witnesses, and it all gets covered up. I came to understand that the sitting president is little more than a puppet, and he knows it. Bush the Second’s energy advisor was a big fan of my former partner, and every president since Reagan knew him by name, but the feds still ran him out of the USA, almost certainly at the behest of their private interest patrons, as usual.

Not long before my astronaut pal died (with his life shortened because of his adventures), he told me that electoral politics was a dead-end, and he advised several presidential candidates. The USA has been a plutocracy since the beginning, and there has really been no exception, anywhere on Earth, as Bucky Fuller noted. There was never a time when the USA was some kind of beacon of freedom and virtue, but it is a useful fiction for the in-group ideology known as American nationalism. It is just another scarcity-based ideology.

Best,

Wade




Wade

Edited December 8, 2015 by Wade Frazier

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I know that at this forum, I am amongst people who are vastly better read than I am on the JFK hit. I am a generalist, and I see the JFK hit as part of a far larger pattern. As I already mentioned, the most important lesson that I see from the JFK hit is that the American president, and retail politics in general, is not where the power is.

The way that I met Gary is one of the many hard-to-believe events of my life. A month after I saw myself killing people and liking it, which was the lowest part of my journey, as soiled as I ever felt, I devoted myself to rescuing my partner from a grim fate. The people who run the world were trying to make sure that he could never again try to solve the world’s energy problems. In desperation, with my life already in ruins, I met Gary, who went out of his way to help me in my hour of need. His advice was critical in helping me spring my partner from jail, in the greatest miracle that I ever witnessed.

Gary will always be in my pantheon of the great, no matter his political views or the accuracy of his theorizing on elite machinations. I read his account of the JFK hit before I met him, and after meeting him and heeding his counsel, he had total credibility with me. I have no doubt that he reported the John Tower conversation as well as he could, writing about the events a decade after they happened. Gary was not some fringe dweller, but kept trying to take on the gangsters in the courts. He dropped a subpoena on Tower not long before he died in that “tragic” plane crash, and the man who served the subpoena said that Tower looked like he swallowed his shoe when he got it.

As far as what the accurate picture of the JFK hit was, I am going to leave that to the experts, but my own view is that whoever infiltrated and turned the fake JFK assassination into a real one was likely also involved with Robert Kennedy’s murder. Serving up “lone nuts” as scapegoats for political assassinations seemed to be the national pastime of the spooks for a generation, from JFK to Ronald Reagan. The MOs are just too similar for all of those assassinations and attempts, with those “mentally ill” people springing up again and again, pulling the trigger at key moments in political history. There are way too many intelligence connections to Oswald. No way was he a lone nut, and that is really about all that I need to know about the JFK hit. Gary and others thought that JFK was taken out because he tried to end the Cold War, and the biggest loser in an event like that would have been the MIC. Cui Bono? I am onboard with the idea that the MIC was involved at some level, and definitely was part of the cover-up. Was the JFK cover-up merely a CYA action, as Decker told Murphy a few days after their fateful conversation? Did it spiral into political figures becoming ducks in shooting galleries, as the first cover-up went so well? I admit that I don’t know, and likely never will.

I am chasing after the biggest event in the human journey, and that is plenty to have on one man’s plate. I “only” have about 50 JFK books in my personal library, while I’ll bet that some members of this forum have 500 or so.

I really can’t add one heck of a lot to the JFK conversation than to say that I have no doubt about Gary’s sincerity in relating the Tower conversation. It is a data point that needs to be accounted for in any JFK assassination theory that will be credible to me. Among serious researchers, I have seen Gary’s account called the basis for a “metatheory” about the JFK hit, and I’ll agree on that. It brings together many seemingly disparate pieces of the JFK hit’s evidence. That Gary met Jack Ruby in the 1940s is only gravy. I never saw a piece of convincing evidence falsify Gary’s tale, and over the years, more evidence keeps arising that further confirms it.

Best,

Wade

Edited December 9, 2015 by Wade Frazier

[Douglas Caddy]

Wade:

Could I inquire whether the first letter in the last name of the "liberal" judge referred to several times in your fascinating postings starts with P?

I ask because in 1974 I was intensely interested in a labor union case that was before Judge P and he did something inappropriate with the evidence that had been submitted in that case.

Doug

[Wade Frazier]

Hi Doug:

Yes indeed, it started with a "P". Gary was not shy about naming him in his book, but while he is alive, I don't plan to name him publicly, other than an initial.

Best,

Wade

Edited December 9, 2015 by Wade Frazier

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

As a brief addendum to my reply to Doug, the Ninth District Court is infamous for its Kangaroo Court rulings, where they can just make it up as they go. Our big time attorney, who the year before he took our case mopped up the floor of the USA’s Supreme Court with the IRS, was expecting to mop up the floor with the gangsters that run Ventura County (they committed some of the very same crimes that the IRS did), and the Ninth District Court handed him his head. I don’t know if Judge “P” was involved or not, but it would not surprise me. The last I looked, that attorney is still the leading Constitutionalist attorney in the USA, who specializes in taking on the feds, but Dennis’s case became the humbling moment of his career, when he was informed in no uncertain terms that he was just something stinky that they got on the bottom of their shoes and unceremoniously wiped off.

Gary fought them to the end, but died in exile, destitute, in Oregon.

Best,

Wade

Edited December 9, 2015 by Wade Frazier

[Douglas Caddy]

Wade:

My memory may not be accurate but when I watched Citizen Four over the weekend after it was posted free for viewing on Facebook, I thought that I saw a certain judge in the film ask a question of one of the attorneys in the case. The scene is in the first twenty minutes.

https://thoughtmaybe.com/citizenfour/

My first book, The Hundred Million Dollar Payoff, published in 1974 was based on evidence in the union case.

Doug

[Wade Frazier]

Yes Doug, that's him, taking the high road. Bring back any happy memories? I ordered your book.

Best,

Wade

Edited December 9, 2015 by Wade Frazier

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

This is bringing up memories of Gary, and I’ll relate another few anecdotes. One time, when I called his home, his wife answered and we chatted, and she said that Gary was, “a fighter, not a lover.” Like Dennis, Gary did not go quietly. Being a cop and detective, Gary believed in the legal system, at least in its ideal, and he constantly waged legal battles. That judge being discussed today dismissed one of Gary’s cases with prejudice before evidence was even presented, which is highly irregular, supposedly “impossible” for Gary’s situation. That is like one of many instances on my journey, when an attorney would say, “They can’t do that!”, as the judges handed down Kangaroo Court rulings. I saw that several times with Dennis.

The county center in Ventura was built a few miles from where I was raised, while I was growing up. I worked there for six months, in the waterworks department, before I began my career in LA, and declared bankruptcy there in December 1988. December 1988 was the blackest month of my life, but declaring bankruptcy was not part of it. That was a trifling event, compared to what else was happening. Dennis was jailed in that complex, and when I sacrificed my life to spring him, it was in Mr. Professor’s office across the street from the complex. When I lived with Dennis and his family, it was a few minute walk to that complex (and instead of arresting Dennis at home, they orchestrated a spectacular arrest in LA).

When I met with Gary (the only time that we ever met in the flesh), it was at a donut shop across the street from the complex, and when I drove back and forth from my job in LA each day, I drove right past the complex, wondering if Dennis would ever live to see this side of the bars again. That county complex loomed large in my life, and my radicalizing moment on the witness stand was there, too. I got married across the street from it.

A significant portion of Gary’s book is about the construction of that complex. Like with the Mob in New York City, that kind of construction deal was thoroughly corrupt, and building that county complex was a huge swindling of the taxpayer. Gary brought a lawsuit to block the revenue bonds being floated for it, and the gangsters behind it tried to kill Gary in his front yard. His policeman’s instincts saved his life, and he returned fire at the hit men as they sped away. They eventually “got” Gary when they broke into his business and found an extension cord violation. It was not as egregious as Dennis spending two years behind bars for not filing a form, but they were then able to put Gary into Kangaroo Court and trimmed his wings, putting him on probation. Gary told me that the only reason that he was alive was because he always obeyed the law, no matter how ridiculous it was. He said that if he actually had broken any laws, they would have found an excuse to murder him under the color of law.

Around the time that Dennis did his plea bargain, Gary ran for sheriff, and they quickly passed a law that made him too old to run. In Dennis’s The Alternative, he produced a ballot from an election that Gary gave him (Exhibit 4J). That was the election that Gary tried to run in, and for all offices on the ballot, there was only one person running. Ventura County has a well-oiled political machine, and it has made number one on the list of most corrupt law enforcement jurisdictions in the USA, and is usually in the top five. I did not know that, growing up (the local media sure was not helpful), and discovered it the hard way.

When Gary finally moved away, he tried to sell his store (which he bought after they wrecked his career by framing him), but the “buyer” declared bankruptcy during the escrow process, and those judges stole Gary’s store from him, which was going to be what he retired on. The deed was in his wife’s name, and the judges ruled that she had to give it to them, without any compensation. One reason Gary lived in Oregon is that they put out a bench warrant for his wife’s arrest, for not handing over the deed. If she had returned to California, they would have put her in jail, an old lady in her 70s. The evil is so deep there that it is hard to look at for long.

That is all for now. Maybe I’ll come up with some more later.

Best,

Wade

Edited December 10, 2015 by Wade Frazier

[Wade Frazier]

Hi:

I may be winding down the Gary anecdotes. I believe that the last time that I talked with Gary was in the late 1990s, when I was working on my site’s essays, before I hired an editor. He lived in Oregon then, and wanted to come up to Seattle and see me, with his wife. He had a camper, and he wanted to park it at my place while he visited. I lived in a condo at the time, and did not have any place nearby where he could do that. I am sad that the stars did not line up.

We still traded email, and I think some notes (I think that I bought my copies of the second edition of his book directly from him, but I am kind of fuzzy on that), and I did not hear that he had died until a few years after the fact.

Gary attended the Rodney King beating trial daily, and Gary, being an LAPD cop, may have had his sentiments get the best of him. He thought that the jury had decided that the political situation put those cops in that situation, so they were exonerated because of that opinion amongst the jury members. I was not there like Gary was, but I find it a little hard to believe that jury members would have been that savvy, politically. I think that it is true, that the situation was conducive to those kinds of events, but I doubt that the jury was going to play those kinds of sophisticated politics.

When they got Gary for that extension code violation, it went to trial, and Gary said that several members of the jury were related to firemen (it was a fire-code violation), and right then, he knew that he would lose. As I recall, the jury was stacked with not only 10 whites (this is the “part-black” juror), but as I recall, a few were related to cops. I think that I saw that somewhere in all the alternative media that I subscribed to in those days.

I really wish that I could have spent time with Gary before he passed, and not to ask him about the JFK hit (as people were asking me to do, when I published that cover-up essay in 2001), but to just be with him. I miss Mr. Professor, Brian, and others like them. There have not been all that many fellow travelers on my journey, not like them.

Best,

Wade

Edited May 26, 2016 by Wade Frazier