Mark Knight Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 I've read accounts that Oswald's wallet, with the Hidell ID card, was found at the Tippitt murder site; and I've seen accounts that state that Oswald had his wallet on his person when arrested in the Texas Theater. So...where was the wallet found? At 10th and Patton, or in Oswald's possession? Or were two wallets actually found, and the matter intentionally made confusing so as to make investigation all the more difficult? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 On the WALLETs...all of the above and more. I wrote articles for the Fourth Decade in the 90s on the wallets. John Armstrong has the best answers in HARVEY&LEE, pages 862-868. There were at least four. DPD suppressed photo below. Also, wallet at Tippit scene. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 You would think that killers would finally learn to stop leaving their wallets at crime scenes. Not to mention removing their jackets and dropping them a few blocks away. In fact, a list of things that killers shouldn't do would ideally start with three things: 1. Don't leave your wallet. 2. Don't drop your jacket. 3. Don't promptly go into a theater without buying a ticket. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack White Posted July 31, 2005 Share Posted July 31, 2005 A researcher in the 60s interviewed Julia Postal, the theater cashier. She REFUSED TO CONFIRM that "Oswald" entered the theater without buying a ticket, implying that the arrested man DID buy a ticket. There is no confirmation of this story. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Knight Posted August 1, 2005 Author Share Posted August 1, 2005 Thank you, Mr. White, for confirming what my sometimes-faulty memory contained regarding where Oswald's wallet was "recovered." To the best of my recollection, this matter never has been satisfactorily settled...and it casts doubt on Oswald's culpability. If Oswald had his wallet on his person when arrested, AND an "Oswald/Hidell" wallet was also found at 10th and Patton, then the case for Oswald being a "patsy" becomes clearer. I only carry one wallet...and I can't name another man who carries more than one, with identical identification in both. So I seriously doubt that Oswald did, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 A researcher in the 60s interviewed Julia Postal, the theatercashier. She REFUSED TO CONFIRM that "Oswald" entered the theater without buying a ticket, implying that the arrested man DID buy a ticket. There is no confirmation of this story. Jack <{POST_SNAPBACK}> From sworn Sheriff's Office affidavit of Julia Postal, dated 12/4/63 (CE 2003, v. 24, p. 221): "I called the Police Department. . . . I told (an officer) that I knew that you men are very busy, but that I have a man in the theater that is running from you for some reason. . . . I told him when the police drove by, that the man ducked in. The officer asked me if the man bought a ticket, and I told him no, he did not." That sounds like confirmation to me, regardless of what Postal refused to tell a researcher later. (Maybe the researcher caught her on a bad hair day.) Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nic Martin Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 (edited) I remember reading that Paul Bentley, while going through Oswald's wallet following the arrest, found the "Hidell" ID that linked Oswald with the murder weapons, yet it wasn't mentioned in his written report, nor did another officer in the squad car, I think his name was Gerald Hill. They said they radioed it in at the time, but no call was ever discovered. Amazing how if they were really arresting him on suspicion of Tippit's murder, they didn't write up the one solid piece of evidence they had IN THEIR POLICE REPORT. Man, you have to hand it to those DPD guys, that's some powerful stupid going on. Edited August 1, 2005 by Nic Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanet Clark Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Interesting thread. I would like to hear more about the multiple wallets. I always thought the cops retrieved the wallet after the struggle at the theatre, but I now understand that the jacket near the Tippitt scene had a wallet as well. HARVEY AND LEE point to two more wallets, according to Jack White.... Does anyone have any testimony or police reports handy to confirm this line of FRAMOLOGY ????????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Gratz Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Jack, is it correct that Howard Hughes owned the theatre? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanet Clark Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 (edited) THE WALLETS ! Edited August 1, 2005 by Shanet Clark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ecker Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 In February 1964, Postal told an FBI agent that one of the officers told her that the man's name was Oswald as he was being taken out of the theater. This was before Oswald was in the police car and his wallet was taken out. So the officer who told Postal the man's name was Oswald presumably could only have known that from the wallet that was found earlier at the scene of Tippit's murder. Postal may have forgotten, however, what she said in the last line of her sworn affidavit two months earlier: "Later on I found out that the man's name, who the officers arrested at the Texas Theater, was Lee Harvey Oswald." This is perhaps another example of how people's stories got embellished and added to over a period of time. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Parker Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 A researcher in the 60s interviewed Julia Postal, the theatercashier. She REFUSED TO CONFIRM that "Oswald" entered the theater without buying a ticket, implying that the arrested man DID buy a ticket. There is no confirmation of this story. Jack <{POST_SNAPBACK}> From Brewer's affidavit of Dec 6: I asked the girl in the box office if she had sold the man a ticket and she replied that she did not think so, tha she had been listening to the radio and did not remember. Postal had made her affidavit two dats earlier. She said in regard to this: I stepped from the box office to the front and looked west. When I turned around, Johnny Brewer, Manager of Hardy's Shoe Store, was standing there. As I started back in the box office, Johnny asked me if I sold that man a ticket. Asked him what man. He said that man that just ducked in here. I told him no, I didn't, but I had noticed him as he ducked in here. One might rightly ask: why it took approximately two weeks to get these statements; why, if Postal saw the man, did she need to ask Brewer "which man" (was there a sudden rush of late movie buffs?) and; why neither of them were asked to view any of the lineups. As for the wallet... there are at three theories I am aware of (apart from the Two Oswald scenario). The first has it that the wallet belonged to the witness who took chase with Tippit's weapon, leading another witness to think he was the killer - thus the cops checked his wallet for ID. This can be dismissed on the basis that neither witness nor cops mentioned this happening. The second has it that the wallet was Tippits. This is hardly even worth contemplating. Why would Tippit have wallet out, and why would the cops be flapping it in front of TV cameras? It is the third theory which I believe holds most water. The wallet was left to implicate Oswald and form part of the overall evidence leading to Castro. When Oswald was arrested (instead of being flown out of the country and killed), the record had to reflect it came out of Oswald's arrest wallet. This is supported by the fact that none of the five cops who escorted Oswald to City Hall mentioned any dual ID in their statements on the arrest, and Fritz did not ask any questions about it until the following day - in the interim, phone calls back and forth between 112th MIG and certain members of DPD concering Hidell had been made. Casas Saez (Miguelito), seems to have been subsitituted for Oswald by the die-hards of the blame Castro camp - literally - on a flight to Cuba from MC. Had Oswald "escaped" out of the country... this is the flight the record was destined to show LHO being on. Interestingly, one CIA report states Saez was "capable of anything" -- which to me is strangely reminiscent of how one of Odio's visitors described Oswald to her. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Gratz Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 Greg wrote: Interestingly, one CIA report states Saez was "capable of anything" -- which to me is strangely reminiscent of how one of Odio's visitors described Oswald to her. Greg, do you have a copy of this CIA report by chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen Turner Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 You would think that killers would finally learn to stop leaving their wallets at crime scenes. Not to mention removing their jackets and dropping them a few blocks away. In fact, a list of things that killers shouldn't do would ideally start with three things: 1. Don't leave your wallet. 2. Don't drop your jacket. 3. Don't promptly go into a theater without buying a ticket. Ron <{POST_SNAPBACK}> A forth point should be. If you intend to hi-jack a plane, and fly it into a biulding, make sure your passport is'nt indestructable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Gratz Posted August 1, 2005 Share Posted August 1, 2005 For a guy as poor as Oswald, he sure had a lot of wallets! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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