Oswald /Robert E. Lee

[William O'Neil]

On page 271 of AFTJ, Joan Mellen quotes Peter Francis Conor (Connor) as saying: that Oswald callled his namesake Robert E. Lee "the greatest man in history". Does anyone have a source for that statement ?, she doesn't supply one, and I can't seem to find it.

Thanks -Bill

[Michael Hogan]

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Edited August 19, 2006 by Michael Hogan

[Michael Hogan]

On page 271 of AFTJ, Joan Mellen quotes Peter Francis Conor (Connor) as saying: that Oswald callled his namesake Robert E. Lee "the greatest man in history". Does anyone have a source for that statement ?, she doesn't supply one, and I can't seem to find it.

Thanks -Bill

President's Commission on the Assassination of President John F. Kennedy

Affidavit of Peter Francis Connor

May 22, 1964

http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk..._Vol8_0163a.htm

Edited August 19, 2006 by Michael Hogan

[William O'Neil]

Thanks Michael, Don't know how, but I skimmed over that and missed it the first time.

-Bill

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Thanks Michael, Don't know how, but I skimmed over that and missed it the first time.

-Bill

A lot of 'marxists' had Lee as a hero and hung around with Nazis and the ultra-right militarists and White Russians - not to mention CIA and other such....reminds me of a nice red T-shirt from the 60s...that read on the front ALL HAIL MARX AND LENIN!!....but on the back had pictures of Groucho Marx and John Lenon making an 'O' with their fingers.

The 'official version' is also a joke....but not one to bring a smile to one's face.

A lot of 'marxists' had Lee as a hero

Although I would not doubt that a lot of "marxist" had LHO as a hero, the number of "marxists" in the South remains severely limited. And, since Robert E. Lee is a "Southern Hero", most southerners would not appreciate the "tainting" of his image by their claiming some association.

Lastly, since the "Oswald" family tree traces back to relatives of the Robert E. Lee family, and since the LHO family were relatively "die-hard" southerners, then I would place my bet on the fact that LHO was referencing this side of the coin and his directly family line back to the Robert E. Lee family.

Edited August 20, 2006 by Thomas H. Purvis

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Lastly, since the "Oswald" family tree traces back to relatives of the Robert E. Lee family, and since the LHO family were relatively "die-hard" southerners, then I would place my bet on the fact that LHO was referencing this side of the coin and his directly family line back to the Robert E. Lee family.

I think you have opened up an interesting and unexplored area of investigation regarding LHO. He was unmistably a Southern boy, probably made to feel even more so by an unhappy childhood experience in NYC. There are numerous ways to identify alleged key players - oil, military, etc. but there is definitly a more singular common thread among them.

MV

Mark;

I have relatively clearly provided the background family history of LHO's family, as well as family associations on this forum.

All that one has to do is follow the "bouncing ball" in order to determine exactly who and what LHO actually was as well as the society/climate in which he was spawned.

Therein lies much of the answers as well!

Tom

[William O'Neil]

LHO was indeed a Southern boy, and I don't mean that in a geographic sense........

-Bill

[Thomas H. Purvis]

LHO was indeed a Southern boy, and I don't mean that in a geographic sense........

-Bill

Unless you have served time in "Southern" Louisiana, and specifically the New Orleans area, it is difficult to understand fully and/or appreciate exactly who and what LHO was.

And, one can rest assured that LHO had no intentions of attending school with blacks, and his mother would not have made him do so.

[William O'Neil]

Tom ; I have spent a lot of time in La. Miss. Tx. and other states below the Mason -Dixon. Hell, I think we even interupted a Klan meeting in a cafe outside of Zachary La. My, my, if looks could kill,.....lucky we was white, for awhile there I wasn't even sure if that was going to be sufficient!

[Peter McGuire]

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[John Dolva]

It might be what he had come to believe. A similar change came to Malcolm X on his return from Mecca. Interestingly it was not long after this that he was assassinated.

or

One thing that strikes me about the Mississippi Sovereignty files is that there is almost no information on Oswald. Yet there are solid indications that the Southern Intelligence Network was watching such groups as the FPCC as early as 1961. They have the most indepth investigations of individuals, particularly of whites, who cross the line. They set in place investigations that include a wide range of sources, like military records, newspaper clippings, arrest sheets, interviews, informants, analysis, and so on of the most insignificant of individuals..yet NOTHING on Oswald.

I'm sure these files exist somewhere, or did.

or

There are many instances of the CIA and the FBI funding and promoting pro-enemy thinking in order to infiltrate. Take the SDS leadeship for example. Or the sponsoring of student visits to Communist countries.

The infliltrator needs to insinuate him or her self. Naturally this insinuation must deal with a reconiliation of past and present persona. The new Oswald serves the purpose of explaining the past and to insert himsefl in preparation for what he may have thought was an anti Cuba move. I think his 'alternative for the minutemen' penned just prior to returning to the USA shouild be considered. Here the idea of him as a Patsy comes into play when he realised what was really going down.

[William Kelly]

Lee Oswald was framed for this murder. He was the patsy. Why would a serious researcher spend time, in 2006, talking about him? If you want to exonerate him you may want to talk to his girlfriend that he spent the summer of the assassination and get the true picture of the man.

FYI: Paraffin tests were negative for Oswald firing a rifle. There is no such a thing as a false negative in the real world.

Peter

HELLO PETER,

IN ANSWER TO YOUR FIRST QUESTION, WHY WOULD A SERIOUS RESEARCHER SPEND TIME TALKING ABOUT LHO, THE PATSY FRAMED FOR THIS MURDER - WELL, ONLY HIS FRIENDS COULD FRAME HIM FOR A HOMICIDE, SO IN ORDER TO GET TO THE GUILTY YOU HAVE TO GO THROUGH OSWALD.

THE PURPOSE ISN'T TO EXONERATE OSWALD BUT TO IDENTIFY THE GUILTY.

AND WHOSE THE GIRLFRIEND HE SPENT THE SUMMER OF THE ASSASSINATION WITH?

JUDITH?

THE CIA DID A FIVE DIFFERENT DEFECTOR STUDIES OF NOSENKO, EACH WITH A DIFFERENT APPROACH.

THE ONE THAT MADE THE MOST SENSE, AT LEAST TO ME, IS THE ONE THAT EVALUATED THE INVESTIGATIVE LEADS AND DAMAGE DONE FROM THE RESULTING NEW INFORMATION OBTAINED FROM THOSE LEADS.

WHILE REAL HONEST SOURCES SUPPLY INFORMAITON THAT CAN BE INDEPENDENTLY VERIFIED FROM OTHER SOURCES, THOSE THAT DON'T FAIL THE TEST.

AND WHOSE THE GIRL IN THE PHOTO AGAIN?

BK

Edited August 23, 2006 by William Kelly

[Thomas H. Purvis]

It might be what he had come to believe. A similar change came to Malcolm X on his return from Mecca. Interestingly it was not long after this that he was assassinated.

or

One thing that strikes me about the Mississippi Sovereignty files is that there is almost no information on Oswald. Yet there are solid indications that the Southern Intelligence Network was watching such groups as the FPCC as early as 1961. They have the most indepth investigations of individuals, particularly of whites, who cross the line. They set in place investigations that include a wide range of sources, like military records, newspaper clippings, arrest sheets, interviews, informants, analysis, and so on of the most insignificant of individuals..yet NOTHING on Oswald.

I'm sure these files exist somewhere, or did.

or

There are many instances of the CIA and the FBI funding and promoting pro-enemy thinking in order to infiltrate. Take the SDS leadeship for example. Or the sponsoring of student visits to Communist countries.

The infliltrator needs to insinuate him or her self. Naturally this insinuation must deal with a reconiliation of past and present persona. The new Oswald serves the purpose of explaining the past and to insert himsefl in preparation for what he may have thought was an anti Cuba move. I think his 'alternative for the minutemen' penned just prior to returning to the USA shouild be considered. Here the idea of him as a Patsy comes into play when he realised what was really going down.

John;

LHO was operating completely "outside the loop" of normal intelligence activities.

This is how he managed to avoid full detection, and even when brought out into the open, his activities were quite obviously by design, to confuse and mislead.

I will again reference the "squirrel" in the woods who prior to actually climbing any given/specific tree, runs across the ground jumping up on one tree, only to jump off and run to another tree.

Doing this repeatedly, leaves a "false scent" on multiple trees throughout the forest, and only the absolute "BEST" squirrel dog can determine the most recent scent and thus select the correct tree in which the squirrel finally climbed.

Because LHO operated "outside" the realm, he would have been an individual of only cursory attention by those multitudes of various "watchers" who were monitoring and reporting on subversive type elements.

And, there can be little doubt that, due to the minimal amount of these records available and LHO's limited participation in many of these actions, his true name may not have even have been determined worthwhile to find out.

When LHO wanted us to know which tree to look up, he made it a point. Such as the demonstration episode in New Orleans and the attempt to draw both the Anti-Castro Cubans as well as the FPCC into the "wrong tree" to look up.

Gerry Hemming, long ago recognized that LHO COULD NOT have made contact with all of the various groups, nor could he have known the exact names and identities of individuals (including recognition of Hemming), without someone having been "guiding" him/LHO to these various groupings and/or persons.

In this regard, one often spoils the play when they "overact", and whoever was directly guiding LHO made the mistake of having him jump onto far too many trees in the forest.

The old "MAD MAGAZINE" "Spy vs. Spy" stories are by far more enlightening than many reveal, and with the numbers of these various organizations, which Include the MS Soverignty Commission, as well as a similar grouping in Louisiana, as well as all of the other groupings which include the KLAN; the Knights of the White Camelia; etc;, LHO could not have escaped their surveillance and security checkings without some highly informed guidance and assistance.

[John Dolva]

Very Good IMO

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Guy Bannister was probably working for the MSC by mid 64. Possibly earlier for the LSC. The MSC files have only relatively recently been released. Many documents are apparently held by other bodies who have not released tem. The MSC, LSC etc formed part of a southwide intelligence network. It was the Florida counterpart that alerted the network, in a regular conference meeting, of the activities of the FPCC in 1961. The people who caught a flight to cuba from florida were on record, connecting them to the FPCC and the MSC assigned an investigator to research them. In such an operation they acted clandestinely, using informants and thise they could trust which were largrely Segregationists.

So, Tom are you saying that there is nothing on Oswald through them because he was not on their books ever. Or that they have been removed after the fact?

Could it be that the information doesn't exist in the open because it would invariably tie to the conspirators?

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Very Good IMO

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Guy Bannister was probably working for the MSC by mid 64. Possibly earlier for the LSC. The MSC files have only relatively recently been released. Many documents are apparently held by other bodies who have not released tem. The MSC, LSC etc formed part of a southwide intelligence network. It was the Florida counterpart that alerted the network, in a regular conference meeting, of the activities of the FPCC in 1961. The people who caught a flight to cuba from florida were on record, connecting them to the FPCC and the MSC assigned an investigator to research them. In such an operation they acted clandestinely, using informants and thise they could trust which were largrely Segregationists.

So, Tom are you saying that there is nothing on Oswald through them because he was not on their books ever. Or that they have been removed after the fact?

Could it be that the information doesn't exist in the open because it would invariably tie to the conspirators?

Could it be that the information doesn't exist in the open because it would invariably tie to the conspirators?

Nope! The manipulations/travels/& tree climbing and jumping of LHO were, by design, made to have him attract attention to virtually everyone EXCEPT whoever was manipulating him.

In regards to various files on LHO, one must look at several aspects of this.

First off! How many "EX"-FBI Agents were involved in these various surveillance and information gathering activities!

Despite what many are aware of, they got these jobs through J.Edgar Hoover, to whom they ultimately reported directly/indirectly, or else they suffered the fate such as Melvin Purvis's ruined life and career.

In that regards, records from these various organizations could have easily disappeared at the direct directive of JEH, even though he indirectly was not associated with such as the MSC.

Secondly, history has taught up of the value of such documents. Therefore, one can not dismiss the ultimate potential of souvenier hunters who recognize that documents and information related to LHO will, in time, bring big bucks on the free market.

Lastly, your reference to the FPCC group in Cuba/Miami is noteworthy as it was in Miami that Jack Ruby's friend punched one of the members in the nose and gained the attention of the press.

Therefore, "re-run's" by LHO in New Orleans of such altercations, are nevertheless still "re-runs".

Just different actors with a different script.

That is also why it is highly unlikely that the visit of Jack Ruby to New Orleans to "buy art" from a merchant located exactly where LHO "staged" his altercation, is merely another coincidence.