Apollo Photos are Crude Studio Fakes

[Dave Greer]

Did you know that in many foreign countries they teach in school that the Americans faked the moon landings ? ....How sad is that , that people in foreign countries are taught the truth about this and Americans are not ?

Which countries are these? The only time I've seen this mentioed before was in the copy/paste job by Neville Jones, who claimed this is taught to Cubans. I've no idea if this is true or not, but if it is (and until shown otherwise I remain skeptical), do you not think that this just might be a smidgen of anti-US political propaganda?

So, please list the "many foreign countries" and provide sources.

[Duane Daman]

* Double post .

Edited February 8, 2007 by Duane Daman

[Duane Daman]

Steve .... Oh but I do have critical thinking skills ... and those are what I use to determine that not only are the Apollo photos studio fakes but that the Apollo astronots are liars who are too dumb to get their stories straight .

Speaking of them not getting their stories straight , did you know that the Parkes Observatory has a story about receiving the TV signal from the moon on the Apollo 11 mission that doesn't match that of the one who allegedly was the first one to walk on the moon ?

Parkes claims that the only reason they were able to receive the TV pictures of the boys strolling on the moon during Apollo 11, was because Neil Armstrong luckily decided to forego their scheduled nap and go directly out onto the lunar surface .

But Neil apparently didn't remember that story and changed it in his recent autobiography , by making the claim that even though he was anxious to get out onto the lunar surface , he wisely decided to take their scheduled two hours nap instead because they really needed it .

Opppssss ... Talk about another nasa CLANGER !!! .... That one is a beaut !! ... Did Neil forget that the original Parkes story had him change plans and forego his nap ? ... Or maybe Neil didn't know that Parkes had already made up this different story about their EVA timeline ?

Like I've always said .. if you want to expsose a lie , just go right to the source of that lie ... In this case , the liars themselves .

Well, on this happy note I will leave you all to concoct some more lies on nasa's behalf ... It's been swell but I really do have more important things to do the rest of my day than spar with Bad Astronomy's brainwashed liars and fools .

But I will be back with more lies from our Apollo 'heros' and more phony moon set photos containing anomalies that not even any of the game players here will be able to pretend to refute ..... Like bootprints covering up the imaginary , missing lunar buggy tire tracks .... Talk about beauts ! That one takes the cake !!!

Sorry straydog-

That Parkes Observatory story was debunked years ago, personally by someone who was there - but I won't even bother to show you - I'm sure you'd just claim the person was lying - just as you accuse anyone who dosen't buy into your rantings.

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Sorry – trying to discuss this with a blank wall has inflected brain damage – the person I am speaking about was at Honeysuckle Creek, not Parkes. He does however, know the above story is as fake as everything else Duane posts about Apollo.

Steve ... Regardless of your admitted brain damage , you might want to read the story of the Parkes Observatory , their proud connection with Apollo , and their claims of when the broadcast of the Apollo 11 EVA took place , before you decide to spread any more of your typical disinformation ... Not to mention your typical insults to me ... I am not the one posting false information here about Apollo ... I do believe that is the job of the Bad Astronomy boys .

Here's the famous Parkes story which is a DIRECT CONTRADICTION TO ARMSTRONG'S STORY .... So is everyone at Parkes lying now becasue Neil changed the EVA timeline story ? ... Or did maybe Neil not realize that his story and theirs didn't quite match ? ....Oops again !!! ( did I spell it right this time Matt ? )

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Parkes and Apollo 11: receiving the moon walk

In July 1969, the Parkes Observatory claimed a place in history, when they received television transmissions of man's first steps on the moon.

The Moon walk

CSIRO staff involved

More information

In 1968, the Director of the Parkes Observatory, John Bolton, insisted on a one-line contract with NASA: 'The [CSIRO] Radiophysics Division would agree to support the Apollo 11 mission.'

At 12.56 pm on Monday 21 July 1969 Australian Eastern Standard Time (AEST), one giant leap for mankind was taken. CSIRO’s Parkes radio telescope received television signals that allowed six hundred million people, one fifth of humanity at the time, to watch Neil Armstrong's first steps on the Moon.

The Moon walk

CSIRO’s Parkes radio telescope received television signals that allowed six hundred million people to watch Neil Armstrong's first steps on the Moon. A few hours earlier, at 6.17 am (AEST) on 21 July 1969, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Edwin (Buzz) Aldrin landed their Lunar Module, Eagle, on the Moon at the Sea of Tranquillity. It was still some seven hours before the Moon would have risen high enough to be seen from Parkes.

The schedule required the astronauts to rest before attempting the 'Moon walk' or extra vehicular activity (EVA), by which time the Moon would have been high overhead at Parkes. HOWEVER ARMSTRONG DEPARTED FROM THE ORIGINAL PLAN , OPTING FOR AN IMMEDIATE EVA INSTEAD . ( * A complete contradiction to his claims of their nap time in his recent autobiography )

To the astronomers at Parkes, it looked as though the EVA would be all over before the Moon rose over Parkes' horizon. However, it took the astronauts a long time for the astronauts to don their spacesuits and depressurise the lunar module cabin, so that when they left the module the Moon was just rising over Parkes.

When it seemed that Parkes would get the signals after all, trouble suddenly loomed.

While fully tipped over waiting for the Moon to rise, the telescope was struck by a series of severe, 110 km per hour gusts of wind, which made the control room shudder. The telescope was slammed back against its zenith axis gears, a dangerous situation that threatened the integrity of the telescope structure.

Fortunately the winds abated and Buzz Aldrin activated the TV camera just as the Moon rose into the telescope's field of view. The Parkes radio telescope began tracking.

Using a less sensitive 'off-axis' detector, Parkes was able to receive the TV pictures just as the lunar module's TV camera was switched on. Less than nine minutes later the Moon had risen into the field of view of the Parkes telescope's main detector.

As Parkes was the largest telescope to receive television signals from the Moon, it captured more signal and produced better pictures than the receiver at Honeysuckle Creek near Canberra, which received some of the first ten minutes of the EVA. Therefore, Houston switched to Parkes and remained with those pictures for the rest of the 2½-hour broadcast.

The weather remained bad at Parkes, with the telescope operating well outside safety limits for the entire duration of the EVA.

Australian audiences witnessed the moon walk, and Armstrong's historic first step, 6.3 seconds before the rest of the world.The signals received by Parkes were sent to Sydney via specially installed microwave links. From there the TV signal was split. One signal went to the Australian Broadcasting Commission (ABC) studios at Gore Hill for distribution to Australian television networks. The other went to Houston for inclusion in the international telecast, where a six second delay was introduced by NASA in case of an accident during the EVA.

The international broadcast signal had to travel halfway around the world from Sydney to Houston via the INTELSAT geostationary communications satellite over the Pacific Ocean. This added a further 300 millisecond delay to the signal.

Australian audiences therefore witnessed the EVA, and Armstrong's historic first step, 6.3 seconds before the rest of the world.

CSIRO staff involved

Unlike the fictitious portrayal in the film 'The Dish' there were many CSIRO staff involved, both at Parkes and elsewhere.

Parkes staffer Neil 'Fox' Mason, who was seated at the control desk, guided the telescope without being allowed to turn around and see the incoming pictures on the TV monitor. It was essential for him to monitor the tracking of the telescope, in case the winds picked up again, threatening the signal reception.

More information

More details, including an extensive article on the support mission and video clips of the television broadcast, are available from On Eagle’s Wings: The Story of the Parkes Apollo 11 Support.

http://www.csiro.au/csiro/content/standard/ps13j.html

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So are you saying that has nasa now changed the Parkes story because of Neil's recent blunder ?

Oops again !

[Kevin M. West]

Parkes claims that the only reason they were able to receive the TV pictures of the boys strolling on the moon during Apollo 11, was because Neil Armstrong luckily decided to forego their scheduled nap and go directly out onto the lunar surface .

You realize you have that backwards right? Starting early isn't what allowed Parkes to see it, in fact it almost made them miss it. Had they started any earlier, it would have been below their horizon still (but still visible from other locations).

[Kevin M. West]

So really the only question here is, did Neil say they had the nap before the first EVA in his autobiography, contradictory to the claims of Parkes and NASA's timeline (http://history.nasa.gov/SP-4029/Apollo_11i_Timeline.htm).

Anyone have a copy? Somehow I doubt Duane does, he's probably just parroting this info from some conspiracy site.

[Steve Ulman]

Steve ... Regardless of your admitted brain damage , you might want to read the story of the Parkes Observatory ,

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So are you saying that has nasa now changed the Parkes story because of Neil's recent blunder ?

Oops again !

Duane -

You are correct - I goofed - I totally misread your post and hurried my post while only half paying attention.

To answer your original point:

I think it is more likely that Neil simply goofed (if there is in fact a discrepancy).

Do have a more information for Armstrong's reversal about the nap. This is the first I ever heard of it. Which book is it in – First Man: The Life of Neil A. Armstrong the Hanson biography, or First on the Moon by Neil, Buzz and Mike Collins? Or is it in some other book / publication.

[Kevin M. West]

I bet he copied that from a conspiracy site and doesn't even know what book it is.

[Duane Daman]

Kevin ... I didn't get anything backwards .... According to Parkes , in some of their other articles besides this one , if Neil had stuck wih the original scheduled nap , they would have missed out on broadcasting the EVA because the moon would have been out of position... but because he decided to forego the original schedule , they were able to broadcast the EVA .... As it was , it allegedly took the astronots so long to suit up that they almost missed the broadcast anyway ... Of course little did they know , that it wouldn't have mattered what position the moon was in because the TV signal didn't come FROM the moon , but was instead, bounced OFF of the moon ... and in that case the position of the moon wouldn't have mattered in the least ..

Steve ... If you were the first man to walk on the moon , wouldn't the entire experience be cemented in your memory forever ? .... Why would Neil now be claiming that they took their scheduled nap if they really hadn't ? ... He went into quite some detail about this nap in his book ... He said they went with the schedule but they were too excited to sleep ... I think he said that Buzz wanted to forego it , but as commader of the mission he decided to stick to the original plan ...He didn't "goof" ... he just didn't remember that another version of this story had already been floating around for years by Parkes ... I guess he and his ghost writers should have been paying more attention and done some research into the the original version of this particular nasa fairy tale ....

Kevin ... I didn't copy this information off of a conspiracy site , I read the two chapters pertaining to the moon landing fantasy in Neil's book , in Barnes and Noble one afternoon ... The book is quite interesting , not only in the fact that Neil couldn't get his story straight after all these years , but also that the book , which I believe had thirty some odd chapters , only devoted two of those chapters to the alleged moon landing ... and they were short chapters at that ... Mostly repeating the alleged conversations between Neil and Buzz while not napping and waiting to go out onto the lunar surface and then during their alleged EVA on the moon .

First Man: The Life of Neil A. Armstrong the Hanson biography is the book where Neil made his "goof" .

[Craig Lamson]

Kevin ... I didn't get anything backwards .... According to Parkes , in some of their other articles besides this one , if Neil had stuck wih the original scheduled nap , they would have missed out on broadcasting the EVA because the moon would have been out of position... but because he decided to forego the original schedule , they were able to broadcast the EVA .... As it was , it allegedly took the astronots so long to suit up that they almost missed the broadcast anyway ... Of course little did they know , that it wouldn't have mattered what position the moon was in because the TV signal didn't come FROM the moon , but was instead, bounced OFF of the moon ... and in that case the position of the moon wouldn't have mattered in the least ..

Do you actuallly believe the stuff you just wrote is correct...OR EVEN POSSIBLE?

[Kevin M. West]

Kevin ... I didn't get anything backwards .... According to Parkes , in some of their other articles besides this one , if Neil had stuck wih the original scheduled nap , they would have missed out on broadcasting the EVA because the moon would have been out of position... but because he decided to forego the original schedule , they were able to broadcast the EVA .... As it was , it allegedly took the astronots so long to suit up that they almost missed the broadcast anyway ... Of course little did they know , that it wouldn't have mattered what position the moon was in because the TV signal didn't come FROM the moon , but was instead, bounced OFF of the moon ... and in that case the position of the moon wouldn't have mattered in the least ..

Duane, It was just coming over the horizon for Parkes when the EVA started. They didn't almost miss it because it was late, they almost missed it because it was EARLY. So yes, exactly backwards. Had they started later it would have been MORE VISIBLE from Parkes.

Besides, you seem to be forgetting, they had dishes ready to recieve around the world (the Deep Space Network), if parkes missed it, the next one would get it. Nothing would be missed, except for some fame for the guys at Parkes for getting the first lunar EVA.

That last bit is a real gem. It wouldn't matter because it was bounced off the moon? If it came from the moon, or was bounced off the moon somehow, it WOULD matter where the moon was because either way you'd have to point the dish at the moon to receive the signal.

[Duane Daman]

"That last bit is a real gem. It wouldn't matter because it was bounced off the moon? If it came from the moon, or was bounced off the moon somehow, it WOULD matter where the moon was because either way you'd have to point the dish at the moon to receive the signal. "

Of course you would need to point the dish at the moon ... But it wouldn't matter what position the moon was in because bouncing a signal OFF of the moon is very different from pinpointing one particular postion ON the moon , to pick up a signal ... Big difference ... One has to be exact and the other can be pointed anywhere on the lunar surface .

Laser signals can also be received from anywhere on the lunar surface without the need of a reflector , so that kind of takes away the 'importance' of Apollo allegedy placing any reflectors there .

Of course other dishes were in place to receive the radio signals being bounced off of the moon for the Apollo TV program .... and regardless of whether the EVA was early or late for Parkes to receive it , apparently you are the one who is incorrect by them being the first dish to pick up the signal .

Read this .

Apollo 11 Broadcast

Contrary to popular belief stirred by the film The Dish, the Parkes Observatory was not the first station to broadcast images from the Apollo 11 moon landing. The Goldstone Deep Space Communications Complex in California was initially used to receive the signal, however in light of a very dark, inverted image (due to an incorrect switch position), NASA switched the main feed to the Honeysuckle Creek station outside of Canberra in Australia. Honeysuckle Creek transmitted the images until shortly after the "One small step", when the feed was picked up by Parkes, roughly 3 minutes into the broadcast.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parkes_Observatory

How about that ? ... Apparently Parkes can't even get their story straight either .

[Kevin M. West]

I didn't say they were the first to pick up the signal, I said they picked up the first EVA. And no, they couldn't bounce a signal that strong off the entire moon, transmitters strong enough to bounce a signal that strong off the entire moon don't exist, even today.

[Evan Burton]

It would seem you (or your sources) are wrong again, Duane.

From "First Man" (James R. Hansen, softback edition, Simon & Schuster, 2005, ISBN-10: 0-7432-9107-7, pages 486-487):

According to the flight plan, the take-off simulation was followed by meal time and then, officially, by a four-hour rest period. Aldrin recalls, "It was called a rest period, but it was also a built-in time pad in case we had to make an extra lunar orbit before landing, or if there was any kind of difficulty which might delay the landing. Since we landed on schedule and weren't overly tired, as we thought we might be, we opted to skip the four-hour rest period. We were too excited to sleep anyway."

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...Neil relates, "we concluded that the best thing to do, if everything was going well, was to go ahead outside as soon as we could and do the surface work before we took our sleep period."

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With everything in order, at 5:00 PM Eastern time, Armstrong radioed a recommendation that they plan to start the EVA earlier than originally scheduled.

Edited February 9, 2007 by Evan Burton

[Evan Burton]

Of course you would need to point the dish at the moon ... But it wouldn't matter what position the moon was in because bouncing a signal OFF of the moon is very different from pinpointing one particular postion ON the moon , to pick up a signal ... Big difference ... One has to be exact and the other can be pointed anywhere on the lunar surface .

You have shot down your own argument with that statement! If the signals were bounced off the Moon, the beam would widen and you could pick up a (weak) signal as long as the receiver antenna was aimed at the Moon. The Apollo signals, however, had to tracked more precisely or the signal was lost - indicating that the signal was originating from the Moon!

[Craig Lamson]

It would seem you (or your sources) are wrong again, Duane.

From "First Man" (James R. Hansen, softback edition, Simon & Schuster, 2005, ISBN-10: 0-7432-9107-7, pages 486-487):

According to the flight plan, the take-off simulation was followed by meal time and then, officially, by a four-hour rest period. Aldrin recalls, "It was called a rest period, but it was also a built-in time pad in case we had to make an extra lunar orbit before landing, or if there was any kind of difficulty which might delay the landing. Since we landed on schedule and weren't overly tired, as we thought we might be, we opted to skip the four-hour rest period. We were too excited to sleep anyway."

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...Neil relates, "we concluded that the best thing to do, if everything was going well, was to go ahead outside as soon as we could and do the surface work before we took our sleep period."

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With everything in order, at 5:00 PM Eastern time, Armstrong radioed a recommendation that they plan to start the EVA earlier than originally scheduled.

NO! how can this be? Duane mis-qouted Armstrong? I'm shocked!