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I believe that Dale Meyers presents a very representative graphic of the shooting in his 3D animation, the SBT is a fact in my eyes also though I only need to watch the Z film to determine this.

If you need only to "watch the Z-film to determine this" as you claim, then why do you need to cite an animation of the crime by Dale Myers to bolster your assertion?

Your statements are blatantly self-impeaching, contradictory, and borderline psychotic.

Oh well, not here to argue. I was just answering the poll question, only animals kill the way Oswald did that day.

On the SBT I was just saying that Dale Meyers made a nice graphic to illustrate the probability of the SBT, he did a good job on it but its not needed to determine the SBT. As it's pretty obvious in the Z film what happened, how often do you get actual film footage of a crime taking place especially in 1963, yet many people argue against them getting shot when they did, it's pretty funny to me that people deny the SBT when they have a film of it happening.

I feel if you are not able to look at that film and tell that two men are being shot at the same time then you aren't much of a detective and I don't want to spend a lot of time discussing the case with people that can't at least see the obvious when its on film.. It's sort of a litmus test that I use to tell if someone is actually looking for the truth in the case or if they are just a conspiracy nut.

Hey Mark, you ignore my question. What kind of animal was Oswald? If he shot the President with a high powered rifle from the Sixth Floor Sniper's Nest, what kind of animal was he?

If you look at other, similar situations where people were assassinated or attempted to be assassinated by snipers, you have case studies of murders that were well pllanned out in advance and were acomplished by well trained and executed assassins, like Bugsy Siegal and the Jackal's attempt on Charles DeGaulle. If you can give me ONE example of a lone crazy nut case sniping a major politician with a rifle from a distance, I'd like to hear about it.

Even the DC Sniper had an acomplice, and the Texas Tower killer both had military backgrounds, though they were clearly nuts and shot at anybody, not the President.

If Oswald killed the President of the USA as he is alledged to have done, he wasn't a deranged, lone nut case, but a well trained and excellent, succesful assassin.

You're attempt to portray him as a "pure animal with no conscience" misscasts him as the wrong animal. He did have a conscience and was not just acting on pure animal instincts, or when he "snapped," as Gary Mack puts it, he would have killed anyone, not just the president and a cop who got in his way, after the fact.

If he did what you say he did, he was a smooth, successful Cat, and not a disjointed nut case.

Unless you can demonstrate that such nut cases kill presidents as snipers.

Bill Kelly

I refer to his actions as that of an animal, shooting three people and killing two of them and then attempting to shoot more in the theatre I say animal, you say not , thats fine we don't have to agree on that, it doesn't matter what we call him. It has nothing to do with is innocence or guilt in the case.

I didn't say he wasn't an animal. I just asked what kind?

Is he a monkey a psychiatrist could analysize and diagnose or a jackel, who a counter-terrorist is suppose to be able to identify by his trained and integrated behavior?

Yea, three victims in two locations makes him not only an assassin and double murderer, but technicaly a Spree Killer.

Do you know of any other examples of an assassin being a double murder and Spree Killer?

I know of many Spree Killers - Texas Tower, DC Sniper, Howard Unruh, Virginia Tech, Fort Hood - and all but Virginia Tech guy were military guys, and clearly crazy psychos, whose psychosis can be diagnosed, even after their death.

The only guy who comes close to Oswald is El Nosar, the assassin of Rabbi Kahane in NYC, who also shot a cop on the getaway and escaped in a cab, and whose apartment yielded a treasure trove of evidence that he was part of a larger operation, but he was still misdiagnozed as a psycho instead of a terrorist.

http://educationforu...?showtopic=9883

So which kind of animal was Oswald - if in fact he did kill anyone that day?

Was he a real Spree killing psycho who was leterally deranged, or was he an operational assassin who operated on a need to know basis with others who were trained in the same crafts and techniques of the operational terrorist?

You can't fathom the apparent crazy, homicidal actions to that of a criminal terrorist, but can only see a psycho?

Thanks for thinking about this,

BK

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my beginners reading is that the lone nut advocates say the evidence is conclusive, and the conspiracy theory advocates say, the evidence has been tampered with. so there is that disagreement. but what does not seem disputable to me is the evidence of a coverup. i dont even think i need to repeat that evidence, but a coverup by definition is hiding something.

Then there is that small problem of dozens of people running towards the knoll and people on the knoll saying bullets whizzed over their head.

When Oswald gets shot in police custody, that looks like a conspiracy. When Ruby begs the WC to get him out of Dallas, and he will talk, but if he talks in Dallas, he will die, he is not afraid of Oswald supporters.

The memos have now been released before the WC was even begun that said our concern is that we set up a commission that finds what we already know we want to put across. thats a coverup.

Its a great way to learn history, my concern is that when the generation that remember it pass on, so will the passion, and its time to cut to the chase, there is too much chaff to leave to historians, mark the most important evidence, and make it evidential, as in affidavits and videos of witnesses, the secondhand and passed along unsourced facts will be thrown out in the court of history.

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Here is WHO I thinked murdered John Kennedy. [it is not an all-inclusive list and I keep adding to it.] So, who do YOU think murdered John Kennedy and why?

Here are the folks who I think were involved in the murder of John Kennedy. Some folks had foreknowledge and were participants in the planning of the murder of JFK. Some were elite sponsors and some actually physically carried out the assassination. Other folks knew the truth and actively covered up the assassination, protecting the LBJ/CIA murderers of JFK. Some of these folks were sponsors, some carried out the field operations, others just knew about it in advance and approved the JFK murder. Notice how many of these guys were hawkish CIA Republicans – that is who Lyndon Johnson made his dirty deal with.

1) Lyndon Johnson – Mastermind of the JFK assassination. The job of the CIA was to do the actual slaughtering of JFK. Both Lyndon Johnson and the CIA were up to their ears in the JFK assassination. The job of LBJ and Hoover was to cover up the assassination.

2) J. Edgar Hoover of FBI- I think he had foreknowledge. Like LBJ, he hated the Kennedys. Elite sponsor of JFK assassination.

3) Allen Dulles, head of CIA fired by JFK. #1 Cover up artist on Warren Commission. First one picked by LBJ to be on Warren Commission sham. Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination.

4) Nelson Rockefeller – hated the Kennedys. Very deep and longstanding CIA. Close working relationship with Allen Dulles. If Dulles was in on it, then Nelson Rockefeller was in on it. [note Henry Kissinger was Nelson’s closest aide for decades.] Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination. Very significantly, Lyndon Johnson’s #1 pick to be president in spring 1968: to keep the JFK murder cover up going.

5) George Herbert Walker Bush – High ranking Texas CIA in 1963. Oil industry. A top political and CIA player even in 1961 when he organized Bay of Pigs invasion at age 37. Lied about not being in the CIA; also says he can’t remember where he was when JFK was assassinated. Who does this joker think he is fooling? His dad Prescott Bush was close friends with Allen Dulles and Prescott later wrote a letter saying he never forgave JFK for firing Allen Dulles from CIA. Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination.

6) Gen. Edward Lansdale – CIA (probably the guy running the field operation for the assassination on site at Dealey Plaza. He was photographed on the side walk just west of TSBD and identified by Col. Fletcher Prouty and Gen. Victor Krulak. Ed Lansdale was a pet of the Dulles brothers and the CIA Georgetown set. I absolutely believe Gen. Ed Lansdale was a key player in the JFK assassination. Very key player.

7) H.L. Hunt – Texas oil billionaire, LBJ supporter, JFK hater. LBJ told his most beloved mistress Madeleine Brown that it was the Texas oil fat cats and the CIA who murdered JFK. Lyndon Johnson forgot to add that they murdered JFK on Johnson’s behalf! Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination.

8) Clint Murchison, Sr. If Hunt was in it, then Murchison was in it. Murchison was close friends with cover up artist Hoover at the FBI. Murchison was all mobbed up with close ties to his friend Carlos Marcello in New Orleans and the Genovese family in New York. The Murchison maid reported that champagne, cavier and joy overflowed at the Murchison house the week after JFK was assassinated. Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination.

9) Cliff Carter – very close LBJ aide; certainly involved in the JFK assassination as well as many other murders for Lyndon Johnson. Cliff Carter was the political director for LBJ as well as his assassinations director.

10) Malcolm Wallace – LBJ’s personal hit man. Billie Sol Estes reports how he, LBJ, Cliff Carter and Malcolm Wallace used murders to cover up LBJ’s gargantuan political and criminal liabilities. Malcolm Wallace probably coordinated in the field with the CIA murderers of JFK.

11) Ed Clark – LBJ’s lawyer and close friend. He was probably coordinating with HL Hunt, Clint Murchison and the CIA regarding the JFK assassination. Ed Clark was an extremely powerful power broker in Texas at this time. Huge power – in on JFK assassination.

12) James Angleton – probably running Lee Harvey Oswald, supervising Oswald’s sheep dipping and setting him up to be the pasty of the JFK assassination. Blame it on Cuba/Russia, perhaps to justify an invasion of Cuba. Also, very close to Allen Dulles – Angleton even carried the ashes of Dulles in an urn at Dulles’ funeral, that is how close they were.

13) Richard Helms – CIA, started its MK-ULTRA mind control programs, helped to cover up JFK assassination. Probably in on it in advance.

14) David Morales – top CIA assassin for latin America. Ran the Miami operations against Castro. In Operation Mongoose. JFK hater. Later said we got the bastard, didn’t we. Yes, he was in on it in the field game.

15) E. Howard Hunt – CIA. Hated JFK after Bay of Pigs fiasco. He was in on it.

16) Frank Sturgis – CIA JFK after Bay of Pigs fiasco. He was in on it.

17) David Atlee Phillips – CIA Mexico City Station chief. May have been running Oswald out in the field. Phillips was “Maurice Bishop” and he and Antonio Veciana met with Oswald in Dallas in September, 1963.

18) Curtis LeMay – head of the Air Force. Ultra-hawk, wanted to start WWIII and just get it over with. Big time JFK hater. Almost certainly he was in on, aware of and supporting the JFK assassination. Was at JFK’s autopsy, chewing on a cigar and grinning. LeMay hated the Kennedys with the same intensity as Johnson hated the Kennedys.

19) Henry Cabot Lodge – US ambassador to Vietnam, was about to be fired by JFK on 11/24/10 for insubordination. Lodge liked Ed Lansdale and wanted Lansdale’s services in Vietnam. On 11/21/63, the day before the JFK assassination, Henry Cabot Lodge was making phone calls in the lobby of his Hawaiian hotel (2 reasons, no record of who he was calling [probably the JFK murderers} and also so he could not be taped recorded on a phone.) Lodge had been openly insubordinate of JFK in his role as ambassador.

20) William King Harvey – fired from Operation Mongoose by Kennedy. Close friends with suave mob hit man Johnny Rosselli. JFK hater to the max. Very likely in on JFK assassination.

21) Johnny Rosselli – suave mob hitman for Chicago’s Sam Giancana. Extremely close friends with CIA assassin/ CIA expert player William King Harvey. Rosselli later said Jack Ruby was one of our guys and we got him to kill Oswald. Tosh Plumlee says he flew in Rosselli to Dallas for an “abort mission” on 11/22/63. Guess that mission did not work out too well! Rosselli was involved in the JFK assassination; may even have been a shooter.

22) Jack Ruby – killed Oswald to cover up plot. And he was probably in on the JFK assassination ahead of time with the mob, the CIA and/or including Lyndon Johnson’s people.

23) James Rowly, head of the Secret Service. The Secret Service protection was so bad and so non-existent in Dallas, it seems likely that Secret Service leadership was involved in the JFK assassination. Many of the Secret Service agents on the ground were just following the orders of their superiors, just like the Dallas motorcycle cops that for the most part were not around JFK’s limo.

24) Col. Howard Burris. One of the most important men in the Pentagon at this time 1963 and a very close military aide to Lyndon Johnson. He was very close friend of Richard Helms and most likely a CIA asset with a military cover. He got very rich after the JFK assassination.

25) Carlos Marcello and Santos Trafficante: these guys had close ties with CIA and anti-Castro Cubans. The actual shooters of the JFK assassination were either Operation 40 guys or elite mafia hitmen in the Southern USA. Of course, Jimmy Hoffa wanted Kennedy dead, too, but he was probably not an actual player in the logistics of the operation. Hoffa was probably just cheering them on. Johnny Rosselli may very well have been one of the shooters.

Other folks like Arlen Specter, Gerald Ford, James McCoy, Jack Valenti, Bill Moyers may not have been killers, but probably knew the truth and helped to cover it up after the fact. Atty. General Robert Kennedy’s top aide at Justice Nicholas Katzenbach helped cover it up as well. As did MANY CIA assets in the print and TV media.

As for Lee Harvey Oswald, I lean toward the view that he was completely set up to be the “patsy” of the assassination by the CIA. He probably did not kill Officer Tippitt either. If Oswald was one of the killers/plotters/shooters, then he was doing an operation at the behest of the CIA and Lyndon Johnson. The whole case against Oswald was pretty much a fabrication by the CIA and FBI. Oswald was probably a low level CIA agent who probably acted as an informer for the FBI, who were rivals to the CIA.

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my beginners reading is that the lone nut advocates say the evidence is conclusive, and the conspiracy theory advocates say, the evidence has been tampered with. so there is that disagreement. but what does not seem disputable to me is the evidence of a coverup. i dont even think i need to repeat that evidence, but a coverup by definition is hiding something.

Then there is that small problem of dozens of people running towards the knoll and people on the knoll saying bullets whizzed over their head.

When Oswald gets shot in police custody, that looks like a conspiracy. When Ruby begs the WC to get him out of Dallas, and he will talk, but if he talks in Dallas, he will die, he is not afraid of Oswald supporters.

The memos have now been released before the WC was even begun that said our concern is that we set up a commission that finds what we already know we want to put across. thats a coverup.

Its a great way to learn history, my concern is that when the generation that remember it pass on, so will the passion, and its time to cut to the chase, there is too much chaff to leave to historians, mark the most important evidence, and make it evidential, as in affidavits and videos of witnesses, the secondhand and passed along unsourced facts will be thrown out in the court of history.

Your point is well taken, as well as being "almost" true.

Nevertheless, the "factual" aspects are being published as we speak.

Merely that they have to shovel almost 40-years of BS/manure aside in order to be heard.

1. There was a "lone assassin".

2. The WC is an intentional obfuscation (lie if you will) of the simple facts of the assassination.

3. This, to many, is an "oxymoron"!

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I believe that Dale Meyers presents a very representative graphic of the shooting in his 3D animation, the SBT is a fact in my eyes also though I only need to watch the Z film to determine this.

If you need only to "watch the Z-film to determine this" as you claim, then why do you need to cite an animation of the crime by Dale Myers to bolster your assertion?

Your statements are blatantly self-impeaching, contradictory, and borderline psychotic.

Oh well, not here to argue. I was just answering the poll question, only animals kill the way Oswald did that day.

On the SBT I was just saying that Dale Meyers made a nice graphic to illustrate the probability of the SBT, he did a good job on it but its not needed to determine the SBT. As it's pretty obvious in the Z film what happened, how often do you get actual film footage of a crime taking place especially in 1963, yet many people argue against them getting shot when they did, it's pretty funny to me that people deny the SBT when they have a film of it happening.

I feel if you are not able to look at that film and tell that two men are being shot at the same time then you aren't much of a detective and I don't want to spend a lot of time discussing the case with people that can't at least see the obvious when its on film.. It's sort of a litmus test that I use to tell if someone is actually looking for the truth in the case or if they are just a conspiracy nut.

Hey Mark, you ignore my question. What kind of animal was Oswald? If he shot the President with a high powered rifle from the Sixth Floor Sniper's Nest, what kind of animal was he?

If you look at other, similar situations where people were assassinated or attempted to be assassinated by snipers, you have case studies of murders that were well pllanned out in advance and were acomplished by well trained and executed assassins, like Bugsy Siegal and the Jackal's attempt on Charles DeGaulle. If you can give me ONE example of a lone crazy nut case sniping a major politician with a rifle from a distance, I'd like to hear about it.

Even the DC Sniper had an acomplice, and the Texas Tower killer both had military backgrounds, though they were clearly nuts and shot at anybody, not the President.

If Oswald killed the President of the USA as he is alledged to have done, he wasn't a deranged, lone nut case, but a well trained and excellent, succesful assassin.

You're attempt to portray him as a "pure animal with no conscience" misscasts him as the wrong animal. He did have a conscience and was not just acting on pure animal instincts, or when he "snapped," as Gary Mack puts it, he would have killed anyone, not just the president and a cop who got in his way, after the fact.

If he did what you say he did, he was a smooth, successful Cat, and not a disjointed nut case.

Unless you can demonstrate that such nut cases kill presidents as snipers.

Bill Kelly

I refer to his actions as that of an animal, shooting three people and killing two of them and then attempting to shoot more in the theatre I say animal, you say not , thats fine we don't have to agree on that, it doesn't matter what we call him. It has nothing to do with is innocence or guilt in the case.

I didn't say he wasn't an animal. I just asked what kind?

Is he a monkey a psychiatrist could analysize and diagnose or a jackel, who a counter-terrorist is suppose to be able to identify by his trained and integrated behavior?

Yea, three victims in two locations makes him not only an assassin and double murderer, but technicaly a Spree Killer.

Do you know of any other examples of an assassin being a double murder and Spree Killer?

I know of many Spree Killers - Texas Tower, DC Sniper, Howard Unruh, Virginia Tech, Fort Hood - and all but Virginia Tech guy were military guys, and clearly crazy psychos, whose psychosis can be diagnosed, even after their death.

The only guy who comes close to Oswald is El Nosar, the assassin of Rabbi Kahane in NYC, who also shot a cop on the getaway and escaped in a cab, and whose apartment yielded a treasure trove of evidence that he was part of a larger operation, but he was still misdiagnozed as a psycho instead of a terrorist.

http://educationforu...?showtopic=9883

So which kind of animal was Oswald - if in fact he did kill anyone that day?

Was he a real Spree killing psycho who was leterally deranged, or was he an operational assassin who operated on a need to know basis with others who were trained in the same crafts and techniques of the operational terrorist?

You can't fathom the apparent crazy, homicidal actions to that of a criminal terrorist, but can only see a psycho?

Thanks for thinking about this,

BK

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my beginners reading is that the lone nut advocates say the evidence is conclusive, and the conspiracy theory advocates say, the evidence has been tampered with. so there is that disagreement. but what does not seem disputable to me is the evidence of a coverup. i dont even think i need to repeat that evidence, but a coverup by definition is hiding something.

Then there is that small problem of dozens of people running towards the knoll and people on the knoll saying bullets whizzed over their head.

When Oswald gets shot in police custody, that looks like a conspiracy. When Ruby begs the WC to get him out of Dallas, and he will talk, but if he talks in Dallas, he will die, he is not afraid of Oswald supporters.

The memos have now been released before the WC was even begun that said our concern is that we set up a commission that finds what we already know we want to put across. thats a coverup.

Its a great way to learn history, my concern is that when the generation that remember it pass on, so will the passion, and its time to cut to the chase, there is too much chaff to leave to historians, mark the most important evidence, and make it evidential, as in affidavits and videos of witnesses, the secondhand and passed along unsourced facts will be thrown out in the court of history.

Your point is well taken, as well as being "almost" true.

Nevertheless, the "factual" aspects are being published as we speak.

Merely that they have to shovel almost 40-years of BS/manure aside in order to be heard.

1. There was a "lone assassin".

2. The WC is an intentional obfuscation (lie if you will) of the simple facts of the assassination.

3. This, to many, is an "oxymoron"!

For those who are not severely lost chasing mythological beings, the Sixth Floor Museum may ultimately become a location of considerable fact in regards to the assassination.

Facts of CE399, the "non-magic" bullet are now most assuredly in their possession.

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Here is WHO I thinked murdered John Kennedy. [it is not an all-inclusive list and I keep adding to it.] So, who do YOU think murdered John Kennedy and why?

Here are the folks who I think were involved in the murder of John Kennedy. Some folks had foreknowledge and were participants in the planning of the murder of JFK. Some were elite sponsors and some actually physically carried out the assassination. Other folks knew the truth and actively covered up the assassination, protecting the LBJ/CIA murderers of JFK. Some of these folks were sponsors, some carried out the field operations, others just knew about it in advance and approved the JFK murder. Notice how many of these guys were hawkish CIA Republicans – that is who Lyndon Johnson made his dirty deal with.

1) Lyndon Johnson – Mastermind of the JFK assassination. The job of the CIA was to do the actual slaughtering of JFK. Both Lyndon Johnson and the CIA were up to their ears in the JFK assassination. The job of LBJ and Hoover was to cover up the assassination.

2) J. Edgar Hoover of FBI- I think he had foreknowledge. Like LBJ, he hated the Kennedys. Elite sponsor of JFK assassination.

3) Allen Dulles, head of CIA fired by JFK. #1 Cover up artist on Warren Commission. First one picked by LBJ to be on Warren Commission sham. Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination.

4) Nelson Rockefeller – hated the Kennedys. Very deep and longstanding CIA. Close working relationship with Allen Dulles. If Dulles was in on it, then Nelson Rockefeller was in on it. [note Henry Kissinger was Nelson’s closest aide for decades.] Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination. Very significantly, Lyndon Johnson’s #1 pick to be president in spring 1968: to keep the JFK murder cover up going.

5) George Herbert Walker Bush – High ranking Texas CIA in 1963. Oil industry. A top political and CIA player even in 1961 when he organized Bay of Pigs invasion at age 37. Lied about not being in the CIA; also says he can’t remember where he was when JFK was assassinated. Who does this joker think he is fooling? His dad Prescott Bush was close friends with Allen Dulles and Prescott later wrote a letter saying he never forgave JFK for firing Allen Dulles from CIA. Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination.

6) Gen. Edward Lansdale – CIA (probably the guy running the field operation for the assassination on site at Dealey Plaza. He was photographed on the side walk just west of TSBD and identified by Col. Fletcher Prouty and Gen. Victor Krulak. Ed Lansdale was a pet of the Dulles brothers and the CIA Georgetown set. I absolutely believe Gen. Ed Lansdale was a key player in the JFK assassination. Very key player.

7) H.L. Hunt – Texas oil billionaire, LBJ supporter, JFK hater. LBJ told his most beloved mistress Madeleine Brown that it was the Texas oil fat cats and the CIA who murdered JFK. Lyndon Johnson forgot to add that they murdered JFK on Johnson’s behalf! Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination.

8) Clint Murchison, Sr. If Hunt was in it, then Murchison was in it. Murchison was close friends with cover up artist Hoover at the FBI. Murchison was all mobbed up with close ties to his friend Carlos Marcello in New Orleans and the Genovese family in New York. The Murchison maid reported that champagne, cavier and joy overflowed at the Murchison house the week after JFK was assassinated. Elite sponsor of JFK Assassination.

9) Cliff Carter – very close LBJ aide; certainly involved in the JFK assassination as well as many other murders for Lyndon Johnson. Cliff Carter was the political director for LBJ as well as his assassinations director.

10) Malcolm Wallace – LBJ’s personal hit man. Billie Sol Estes reports how he, LBJ, Cliff Carter and Malcolm Wallace used murders to cover up LBJ’s gargantuan political and criminal liabilities. Malcolm Wallace probably coordinated in the field with the CIA murderers of JFK.

11) Ed Clark – LBJ’s lawyer and close friend. He was probably coordinating with HL Hunt, Clint Murchison and the CIA regarding the JFK assassination. Ed Clark was an extremely powerful power broker in Texas at this time. Huge power – in on JFK assassination.

12) James Angleton – probably running Lee Harvey Oswald, supervising Oswald’s sheep dipping and setting him up to be the pasty of the JFK assassination. Blame it on Cuba/Russia, perhaps to justify an invasion of Cuba. Also, very close to Allen Dulles – Angleton even carried the ashes of Dulles in an urn at Dulles’ funeral, that is how close they were.

13) Richard Helms – CIA, started its MK-ULTRA mind control programs, helped to cover up JFK assassination. Probably in on it in advance.

14) David Morales – top CIA assassin for latin America. Ran the Miami operations against Castro. In Operation Mongoose. JFK hater. Later said we got the bastard, didn’t we. Yes, he was in on it in the field game.

15) E. Howard Hunt – CIA. Hated JFK after Bay of Pigs fiasco. He was in on it.

16) Frank Sturgis – CIA JFK after Bay of Pigs fiasco. He was in on it.

17) David Atlee Phillips – CIA Mexico City Station chief. May have been running Oswald out in the field. Phillips was “Maurice Bishop” and he and Antonio Veciana met with Oswald in Dallas in September, 1963.

18) Curtis LeMay – head of the Air Force. Ultra-hawk, wanted to start WWIII and just get it over with. Big time JFK hater. Almost certainly he was in on, aware of and supporting the JFK assassination. Was at JFK’s autopsy, chewing on a cigar and grinning. LeMay hated the Kennedys with the same intensity as Johnson hated the Kennedys.

19) Henry Cabot Lodge – US ambassador to Vietnam, was about to be fired by JFK on 11/24/10 for insubordination. Lodge liked Ed Lansdale and wanted Lansdale’s services in Vietnam. On 11/21/63, the day before the JFK assassination, Henry Cabot Lodge was making phone calls in the lobby of his Hawaiian hotel (2 reasons, no record of who he was calling [probably the JFK murderers} and also so he could not be taped recorded on a phone.) Lodge had been openly insubordinate of JFK in his role as ambassador.

20) William King Harvey – fired from Operation Mongoose by Kennedy. Close friends with suave mob hit man Johnny Rosselli. JFK hater to the max. Very likely in on JFK assassination.

21) Johnny Rosselli – suave mob hitman for Chicago’s Sam Giancana. Extremely close friends with CIA assassin/ CIA expert player William King Harvey. Rosselli later said Jack Ruby was one of our guys and we got him to kill Oswald. Tosh Plumlee says he flew in Rosselli to Dallas for an “abort mission” on 11/22/63. Guess that mission did not work out too well! Rosselli was involved in the JFK assassination; may even have been a shooter.

22) Jack Ruby – killed Oswald to cover up plot. And he was probably in on the JFK assassination ahead of time with the mob, the CIA and/or including Lyndon Johnson’s people.

23) James Rowly, head of the Secret Service. The Secret Service protection was so bad and so non-existent in Dallas, it seems likely that Secret Service leadership was involved in the JFK assassination. Many of the Secret Service agents on the ground were just following the orders of their superiors, just like the Dallas motorcycle cops that for the most part were not around JFK’s limo.

24) Col. Howard Burris. One of the most important men in the Pentagon at this time 1963 and a very close military aide to Lyndon Johnson. He was very close friend of Richard Helms and most likely a CIA asset with a military cover. He got very rich after the JFK assassination.

25) Carlos Marcello and Santos Trafficante: these guys had close ties with CIA and anti-Castro Cubans. The actual shooters of the JFK assassination were either Operation 40 guys or elite mafia hitmen in the Southern USA. Of course, Jimmy Hoffa wanted Kennedy dead, too, but he was probably not an actual player in the logistics of the operation. Hoffa was probably just cheering them on. Johnny Rosselli may very well have been one of the shooters.

Other folks like Arlen Specter, Gerald Ford, James McCoy, Jack Valenti, Bill Moyers may not have been killers, but probably knew the truth and helped to cover it up after the fact. Atty. General Robert Kennedy’s top aide at Justice Nicholas Katzenbach helped cover it up as well. As did MANY CIA assets in the print and TV media.

As for Lee Harvey Oswald, I lean toward the view that he was completely set up to be the “patsy” of the assassination by the CIA. He probably did not kill Officer Tippitt either. If Oswald was one of the killers/plotters/shooters, then he was doing an operation at the behest of the CIA and Lyndon Johnson. The whole case against Oswald was pretty much a fabrication by the CIA and FBI. Oswald was probably a low level CIA agent who probably acted as an informer for the FBI, who were rivals to the CIA.

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10) Malcolm Wallace – LBJ’s personal hit man. Billie Sol Estes reports how he, LBJ, Cliff Carter and Malcolm Wallace used murders to cover up LBJ’s gargantuan political and criminal liabilities. Malcolm Wallace probably coordinated in the field with the CIA murderers of JFK.

18) Curtis LeMay – head of the Air Force. Ultra-hawk, wanted to start WWIII and just get it over with. Big time JFK hater. Almost certainly he was in on, aware of and supporting the JFK assassination. Was at JFK’s autopsy, chewing on a cigar and grinning. LeMay hated the Kennedys with the same intensity as Johnson hated the Kennedys.

Robert: Do you have any sources for #s 10 and 18? Thanks

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Steve, just in case Rob doesn't answer, (he is wont to post and leave)

Malcolm Wallace: The best accounts are "Bloody, Money and Power" by Barr Mclellan, which includes research on the "disputed" finding of Mac Wallace's fingerprint on one of the snipers nest boxes, Barr has recently claimed more info is upcoming, but so far...

"LBJ: Mastermind of the Assassination" Phil Nelson, and "The Texas connection" by Craig Zibel.

There are also the episodes on youtube of "The Men who Killed Kennedy-the Guilty men"

For Curtis LeMay, His animosity toward the Kennedy's can be found in many non assassination books. As for his attending the autopsy, it's still being debated, I believe. He could have been. Autopsy tech Paul O'Connor said he was there:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10724&st=60

You could do a further search, but it's not written in stone. It's possible he may have been, for what that's worth.

Cheers, Steve.

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Steve, just in case Rob doesn't answer, (he is wont to post and leave)

Malcolm Wallace: The best accounts are "Bloody, Money and Power" by Barr Mclellan, which includes research on the "disputed" finding of Mac Wallace's fingerprint on one of the snipers nest boxes, Barr has recently claimed more info is upcoming, but so far...

"LBJ: Mastermind of the Assassination" Phil Nelson, and "The Texas connection" by Craig Zibel.

There are also the episodes on youtube of "The Men who Killed Kennedy-the Guilty men"

For Curtis LeMay, His animosity toward the Kennedy's can be found in many non assassination books. As for his attending the autopsy, it's still being debated, I believe. He could have been. Autopsy tech Paul O'Connor said he was there:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=10724&st=60

You could do a further search, but it's not written in stone. It's possible he may have been, for what that's worth.

Cheers, Steve.

Steve D. thanks for the info. Will delve. Steve Cearfoss

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Best Reading Material:

The Kennedy Vendetta, Harper’s Magazine (August, 1975) by Tyler Branch and George Crile III

And They Were the Pros: A Professional Soldier Evaluates CIA/Cuban Exile Operations, Soldier of Fortune Magazine (#9 Jan. 1978 and #10 March 1978) and The Search for El Indio by Bradley Ayers

The Bayo/Pawley Affair: A Plot to Destroy JFK and Invade Cuba, Soldier of Fortune Magazine #2 Spring 1976 by Robert K. Brown and Miguel Acoca

The AMLASH Legacy by David Atlee Phillips, An Unpublished Novel [Notes by Jim Lesar]

The Dead Witnesses by John Armstrong and Craig Roberts, 1994

Bloody Treason by Noel Twyman, 1997 and 2010 update

The Fish is Red & Deadly Secrets by Warren Hinckle and William Turner, 1981 and 1993 update

Not In Your Lifetime by Anthony Summers, 1998 – Revised and updated version of the classic Conspiracy, 1980

3. The Last Investigation by Gaeton Fonzi, 1993 and 2008 update – Reveals the truth about why the government doesn't want to solve the JFK assassination.

Original Manuscript (1979-80): Part I & Part II

2. Harvey and Lee: How The CIA Framed Oswald by John Armstrong, 2003 –

JFK 101

1. Someone Would Have Talked by Larry Hancock, 2003, 2004, 2006, 2010 update – The best book written on the subject; it is an in depth, documented look at the assassination of President John F. Kennedy and the conspiracy to mislead history. The accompanying SWHT website contains many exhibits, documents, and photos. Larry has also made available a Continuing Studies page that contains rare articles and notes including the Noel Twyman – Roy Hargraves Interview from 2001.

Larry’s follow up work, NEXUS (2011) is also a tremendous and invaluable resource.

Zach

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One could say "The list is long", but what if the list is not as long as you think?. I mean, if 20,30 or 40 people were involved wouldn't someone have talk? Take Howard Hunts deathbed confession for example. Surely, even killers have a conscience. What if there were but a select few? And the person most likely to be involved who wanted to do a way with Kennedy was the one who was called an elephant by Kennedy. Not because he was called an elephant meant he wanted to kill Kennedy, but he surly didn't want to lose against Kennedy in the presidential running.

I wounder if Kennedy had lost his election in 1960, would his rival soon manifest a planned attack on Cuba? But wait, Kennedy wouldn't have lost because he assured to strengthen the Military Industrial Complex, back the CIA and move forward in building nuclear war heads, so did Kennedy have a change of heart after he was elected into office?

What if all you needed was just a hand full of people, people you could trust, who had a record, trained by the CIA. Who were apart of Operation 40 and Operation Mongoose, who were the go to guy's in JM/WAVE that got the job done. They were apart of the BOP no matter the failure, after all Kennedy accepted responsibility for it.

Although, they were successful in their strategic planning and the assassination of a president, they were also as careless as leaving something as simple as their phone book in a hotel room only to be discovered.

What if they now needed to come up with a story by first blaming Castro in hoping that it would start an all out war against Cuban, but would the United States be prepared in case Russia decided to step in? And,

Only after figuring out that Castro could not be used as away to ignite a fire why not blame the KGB? Then would the United States have enough balls to go after Castro?

No, it wasn't Castro or the KGB, but it was the powers of elite that wanted to create WWIII, and if they had they're way they would've, under any circumstances, no matter the cost, after all. All they knew was war, fighting and killings, they were not your average men who would have families of they're own. Families were forced upon them, however, they were not cracked up to be father's, husbands, brother's, uncles or model citizens. They were your natural born killers, and your worst one, was that guy who would grab a hold of "ultimate power" by holding onto a title that says's "President of the United States of America". And this aphrodisiac of 'power" would make this man grab this power by its rains as he sought by keeping it at any means.

It was away for him to think that he would have made his father, mother and brother proud of his accomplishments although, they too were already dead. He was, at one time, unstoppable, but Watergate stopped him in his tracks.

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Reading the answers here gives me clear associations to the murder of Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme, back in 1986. Few people eventually lacked a theory of their own. Everything from the kurds, the police force, the south africans, the middle easterners (Palme was a UN piece representative during the Iran - Irak war). To name a few of these "significant and world politics" possibilities. Another similarity, although Palme certainly cannot be measured by the same standards as any US president; Palme was much larger than the country he represented in world politics.

Therefore, a much discussed view is that such an "important man" cannot, must not, have been murdered by someone as insignificant as the drunken bum that first got convicted and later, on appeal, acquitted. This crime is still not resolved.

Is it, perhaps, too hard to imagine for the normal human mind that such a thing could occur - that we want to remember our leaders in a light which is not tainted and ended by "nobodys'"?

Former US counterinterlligence Pegasus agent and very active assassin Chip Tatum (Google "Chip Tatum Pegasus") says that George Herbert Walker Bush and the elite intelligence group known as Pegasus was behind the assassination of Olof Palme. Also google "Chip Tatum Olof Palme."

Goerge Herbert Walker Bush has been one of the dirtiest, most criminal players in modern American politics and I think this explanation is very reasonable.

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Here is my essay on the 1963 Coup d'Etat which has been updated as up 11/1/11.

The LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK

Fifty years after the assassination of John Kennedy, research is pointing the finger at Lyndon Johnson and the CIA as having engineered a coup d'etat. It is likely that Lyndon Johnson made a dirty deal with CIA Republicans to murder John Kennedy in the 1963 Coup d’Etat. (People like Clint Murchison Sr., H.L. Hunt, D.H. Byrd, Nelson Rockefeller, David Rockefeller, top Nelson Rockefeller aide Henry Kissinger, McGeorge Bundy, George Herbert Walker Bush, Gen. Edward Lansdale (CIA) and Gen. Charles Willoughby all are excellent candidates for elite sponsorship.) Lyndon Johnson and Allen Dulles may very well have been co-CEOs of the JFK assassination; with the CIA in charge of the killing of JFK, and Lyndon Johnson and (his close friend and neighbor of 19 years in Washington, DC) FBI director J. Edgar Hoover in charge of the cover up.

Texas oil men and key LBJ supporters Clint Murchison, Sr. ands H.L. Hunt are thought to be key players in the JFK assassination because of their close ties to the inner core of US intelligence (Allen Dulles, Nelson Rockefeller, John J. McCloy), close ties to Lyndon Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover of the FBI, bankers Rockefellers; Murchison was even friends with key Kennedy-hater mafia godfather Carlos Marcellos of New Orleans. Not only that, Murchison, Sr. was a patient and partner of Dr. Alton Oschner, the former president of the American Cancer Society and who ran covert cancer research for the CIA. Oschner, likewise was a Kennedy-hater. John Simkin: “One of Ochsner's friends described him as being ‘like a fundamentalist preacher in the sense that the fight against communism was the only subject that he would talk about, or even allow you to talk about, in his presence.”

When JFK was slaughtered, Russia’s Khrushchev was literally crying, fearing nuclear war. Cuba’s Castro worried and feared an US invasion and gave an impressive speech the next day deconstructing the CIA’s deception provocation for war. Meanwhile at Clint Murchison’s home, their family maid May Newman describes the scene: “The mood in the Murchison family home was very joyous and happy. For a whole week after like champagne and caviar flowed, every day of the week. But I was the only one in that household at that time that felt any grief for his assassination."

The Warren Commission should have really been called the “Allen Dulles Commission” because he controlled it and made it the farce that it was. Dulles was probably an elite sponsor (i.e. murderer), as well as certainly Lyndon Johnson. The 3 hardcore cover up artists on the Warren Commission were the 3 Council on Foreign Relations members: Allen Dulles (president CFR 1946-50), John J. McCloy (then chairman of the CFR 1953-1970) and Gerald Ford (CFR member, later president). John J. McCloy was a Rockefeller man, former head of Chase Manhattan bank, and very deep US intelligence since the OSS days. John J. McCloy’s nickname was “Chairman of the American Establishment,” and he mixed at the highest levels of business, intelligence and he was close to the Kennedy-hating Texas business elite. Cover up artist Gerald Ford was secretly reporting to Hoover and the FBI what the Warren Commission was doing. In 1970, Newsweek called Gerald Ford the “CIA’s best friend in Congress.” The CFR especially 40 years ago, was heavily Rockefeller influenced and it top players were deep CIA.

The CIA has been called the military wing of the CFR; and actually that is not too far from the truth. The CFR was in its heyday from 1950-1990.

Here is an absolutely spectacular article why the National Security State murdered John Kennedy: http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig10/marshall10.1.html John Kennedy was despised by and did not control his CIA nor his Joint Chiefs of Staff.

Lyndon Johnson’s reasons to murder were out of his deep desperation and fear of what would become of him after his imminent expulsion from the 1964 Democratic ticket and his fears of going to jail over the exploding Bobby Baker scandal. LIFE magazine, being fed extremely damaging info by Robert Kennedy, was set to run an expose on Lyndon Johnson’s corruption that would blow him out of the water once and for all (Dec. 6th issue, but due to be printed and mailed on 11/29/63: source James Wagenvoord who worked at LIFE then). Bobby Baker was the protégé of a wildly corrupt LBJ in the Senate; Lyndon Johnson was like both a dad and a big brother to Bobby Baker (who named two of his children after LBJ: Lynda and Lyndon). Both Lyndon Johnson and Bobby Baker were receiving tremendous amounts of under-the-table money while Johnson was running the Senate. The Kennedys and LIFE Magazine were literally days away from politically executing Lyndon Johnson with the rope of the unraveling Bobby Baker scandal. After vaporizing the despised Lyndon Johnson, John Kennedy was going to replace LBJ most likely with Terry Sanford of North Carolina or possibly his good friend George Smathers of Florida as VP on the 1964 Democratic ticket.

The Kennedys and Lyndon Johnson were having a sub rosa fight: Jack and Robert Kennedy brought knives to the battle and Lyndon Johnson brought guns and it was settled on 11/22/63 at 12:30 PM in Dallas.

Lately, I have been studying the role of McGeorge Bundy, the National Security Advisor for JFK and Henry Cabot Lodge, JFK’s insubordinate ambassador to Vietnam who Kennedy was planning to fire on Monday, 11/25/63. It is probable that both McGeorge Bundy and Henry Cabot Lodge were involved some way with the JFK assassination. McGeorge Bundy, astonishingly, was already drafting sharp escalations to JFK’s Vietnam policy NSAM 273 (which JFK would not have approved) on 11/21/63, the night before the 1963 Coup d’Etat! McGeorge Bundy was also assuring others very quickly on 11/22/63 that there was no conspiracy to kill JFK, at a time when it was impossible for him (or anyone) to credibly be saying that. Bundy later ran the Ford Foundation from 1966-1979.

JFK’s Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, who ran the Rockefeller Foundation from 1952-1961, and was also a hawk on Vietnam, is another one who merits close scrutiny in the Coup of 1963. Kennedy had appointed Rusk because it was unlikely that the Senate would confirm JFK’s first choice J. William Fulbright, who later became a prominent opponent of the Vietnam War. After the 1963 Coup d’Etat, Rusk lasted through all the blood and guts of Vietnam and all the way through Jan., 1969, as Johnson’s Secretary of State. Walt Rostow (CFR), another Vietnam hawk, replaced McGeorge Bundy (CFR) as National Security Advisor in 1966. The CFR and the Rockefellers, not John Kennedy, lusted for the Vietnam War.

The midlevel murderers (field operations) of JFK would include CIA guys like Richard Helms, David Atlee Phillips, James Angleton, David Morales, William King Harvey, E. Howard Hunt, Frank Sturgis, and perhaps Cord Meyer. Cord Meyer who ran Operation Mockingbird (media manipulation) certainly was heavily involved in the cover up of the JFK assassination.

Deputy Harry Weatherford is a good candidate to have been on the Records Building as a sniper. Influential mobster Johnny Roselli was especially close friends with the CIA’s William King Harvey, a rabid Kennedy hater. The most likely mafia godfathers involved would be Carlos Marcello and Santo Trafficante, particularly in the Jack Ruby murder of Oswald and perhaps in the JFK Assassination as well and other murders in the post assassination cover up.

We now know Lyndon Johnson was far worse than he is presented in current biographies. Far beyond ballot stuffing, bribery, massive under-the-table kickbacks, and being a consummate and pathological xxxx, Lyndon Johnson was murdering a lot of people in Texas to cover up his eye popping corruption. A prime example is the murder of US agricultural official Henry Marshall in June, 1961, and who then Vice President Lyndon Johnson arranged to have murdered. In the 1980’s, Billie Sol Estes, a close and corrupt partner of LBJ, began confessing to the murders that he, Lyndon Johnson, Cliff Carter and LBJ’s personal hit man Malcolm Wallace committed. Lyndon Johnson, a manic depressive – and at times a barely functioning psychopath - murdered perhaps 10-20 people to avoid exposure before he got his knife wet with John Kennedy’s blood.

Lyndon Johnson and Sam Rayburn, taking advantage of Hoover’s dossier on JFK, used sexual blackmail and other threats on John Kennedy on the night of July 13th at the 1960 Democratic convention in Los Angeles in order to force Kennedy to put LBJ on the ticket. Johnson was not on JFK’s short list for VP; he was not on the long list. LBJ was not on the VP list – period. Johnson made a hostile take over of the vice presidential slot.

John Kennedy told his close friend Hy Raskin: “You know we had never considered Lyndon, but I was left with no choice. He and Sam Rayburn made it damn clear to me that Lyndon had to be the candidate. Those bastards were trying to frame me. They threatened me with problems and I don’t need more problems. I’m going to have enough problems with Nixon.” Evelyn Lincoln, JFK’s secretary for 11+ years, also confirms that Lyndon Johnson used sexual blackmail combined with other threats to force JFK to put LBJ on the 1960 Democratic ticket.

On Inauguration Day 1961, Johnson's close confidant Bobby Baker predicted to his friend Don Reynolds that John Kennedy would not finish out his term and that he (JFK) would die a violent death. I think that Bobby Baker was intimating that LBJ was planning to murder JFK. For the rest of JFK's life, he and LBJ would be engaging in a sub rosa war.

My current thinking on US intelligence agent Lee Harvey Oswald is that he was indeed involved in the JFK assassination, but he was a patsy who shot NO ONE that day, neither John Kennedy nor Officer J.D. Tippit. Both murders were complete frame jobs. Oswald was a fake defector to Russia and his behavior in New Orleans 1963 was all about Oswald’s sheep dipping as he passed out pro-Castro flyers and pretended to be a “pro-Castro Marxist.” Meanwhile Oswald was working in concert in New Orleans with folks like David Ferrie and Guy Bannister whose politics were the equivalent of a 1960’s Strom Thurmond or Jesse Helms. Oswald’s fake public persona as a “pro-Casto Marxist” meant that he was an ideal pick as a patsy and his likely knowledge of and/or participation in the JFK Assassination meant that he had to be murdered quickly. The folks who killed Oswald wanted a “dead Red” not a “talking head.” The JFK assassination was a deception provocation intended to facilitate a US military invasion of Cuba. It was that bad and ugly. A US invasion of Cuba might have provoked a broader war with Russia and from the point of view of some like Air Force General Curtis LeMay that was fine because, astoundingly, he wanted to wage and “win” a nuclear WWIII. Curtis LeMay hated Kennedy so much that a child could have recruited him into a plot to kill Kennedy. LeMay told Kennedy during the Cuban Missile Crisis that he was an appeaser equivalent to Neville Chamberlain for not bombing Cuba.

That was the pool of sharks John Kennedy was swimming in: a desperate and psychopathic serial killer Vice-President Lyndon Johnson who was literally murdering a string of people down in Texas and who was waging a sub rosa war with the Kennedys, an out-of-control CIA hell bent on a coup; an FBI director Hoover who detested JFK and who was close friends and neighbors with LBJ, and a JCS military brass who wanted to invade Cuba, wage the war in Vietnam, and Curtis LeMay who, according to Robert McNamara, wanted to wage full scale nuclear war with Russia, giving them the “Sunday punch” while the USA still had first strike capability. Add to that the white hot mafia hatred that Robert Kennedy was engendering with his prosecutions. This same mafia had been working hand in glove with their friends the CIA to take out Castro in Cuba. Think of these enemies of JFK as fasces: “a bundle of wooden sticks with an axe blade emerging from the center, which is an image that traditionally symbolizes summary power and jurisdiction, and/or strength through unity.”

The elite domestic murderers of JFK did it for many reasons, both personal and ideological. At the core it was Lyndon Johnson, the CIA, and the shadow government of Texas oil barons and the Rockefellers. It was not either/or the Western “Cowboys” or the Eastern “Yankees” who murdered John Kennedy: it was the elites of both.

Most folks don’t know just how close Lyndon Johnson and J. Edgar Hoover were both personally and physically. For 19 years LBJ and Hoover lived literally 3 houses down and across the street, about 57 yards, in Washington, D.C. They often had Sunday brunch together at the Johnsons with other power brokers such as Sen. Richard Russell and House Speaker Sam Rayburn, both LBJ mentors. LBJ and Hoover were also extremely close to the Texas oil barons such as Clint Murchison, Sr. and H.L. Hunt who have been implicated in the JFK assassination.

I always want to learn and I am always willing to change my mind. Two excellent books to read on the JFK assassination are 1) LBJ: Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination (2010) by Phillip Nelson http://www.lbj-themastermind.com/ and 2) JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died and Why it Matters (2008) by James Douglass. Review: http://www.ctka.net/2008/jfk_unspeakable.html I also highly recommend 3) Brothers: The Hidden History of the Kennedy Years by David Talbot 4) The Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour Hersh 5) Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty by Russ Baker.

Richard Nixon knew the dirty truth about the JFK assassination, but I do not think he was directly involved. In fact, when Nixon was under intense Watergate pressure, his firewall strategy as recorded on the “smoking gun tape” (recorded 6/23/72) was to ominously say don’t investigate me because it you do “the President believes that this is going to open up the whole Bay of Pigs thing again” – an obvious reference to the JFK assassination. Nixon’s aide Dean Burch said that when George Herbert Walker Bush heard that “He broke out in assholes and ____ himself to death.” GHW Bush was probably an elite planner of the JFK assassination.

Howard Baker once asked Nixon, “What do you know about the Kennedy assassination?” Nixon replied “You don’t want to know.” (Source: Don Hewett, Kennedy Library Oral History.)

Lyndon Johnson himself told Madeleine Duncan Brown on the night of 12/31/63 that it was Texas oil barons and “renegade intelligence bastards” who murdered John Kennedy. LBJ and Madeleine had a son Steven Mark in 1950. (Source: Madeleine Brown.)

Edgar Hoover who along with LBJ was the primary architect of the cover up, told Billy Byars, Jr.: "If I told you what I really know, it would be very dangerous to the country. Our whole political system could be disrupted." Hoover was responding to a question of whether Oswald really shot JFK. (Source: Billy Byars, Jr.)

Without a doubt, top honors for being biggest source for disinformation on the Coup of 1963 has been the NY Times whose reporting on the JFK assassination has been the equivalent of 1950’s Soviet style propaganda, i.e. completely fraudulent and parroting the 1960’s fantastic whoppers of LBJ, FBI, CIA and the Warren Commission. CBS News, ABC News, the Washington Post and the former LIFE magazine and CIA assets in other major media have been equally bad. LIFE Magazine actually bought the rights to the Zapruder film early on and never showed it once to the American people in video form., which would have revealed the incriminating “back and to the left” head snap of John Kennedy, all but proving a kill shot from the Grassy Knoll (grassy knoll shooting area being an extremely close 33 yards away from JFK). Finally, when American hero Robert Groden showed the Zapruder film on Geraldo on ABC in 1975, millions of Americans knew without a doubt what a sham the Warren Commission was.

After he murdered John Kennedy and assumed the presidency, Lyndon Johnson gave over his Administration to the Council on Foreign Relations, both in regards to domestic and foreign policy. NSA chief McGeorge Bundy in particular immediately assumed a lot of power over LBJ. The CFR, the CIA, the Rockefellers, the JCS, and the military contractors wanted the Vietnam War. It is extremely significant that in spring, 1968, after LBJ had withdrawn from the presidential race, Democrat Lyndon Johnson secretly supported Republican Nelson Rockefeller for president. LBJ wanted someone who could stop Robert Kennedy, and more importantly, who would continue the cover up of the 1963 Coup d’Etat. Nelson Rockefeller personified the CFR, CIA and Eastern Establishment and I think he was a sponsor of the JFK assassination. Note: Rockefeller did not support fellow Republican Barry Goldwater in his 1964 race against Johnson.

A special word about the Council on Relations role in the 1963 Coup d’Etat and cover up: no other organization has been more responsible for the murder and cover up of John Kennedy than the CFR. Elite CFR members such as Allen Dulles, Nelson Rockefeller, George Herbert Walker Bush and McGeorge Bundy were probably sponsors of the JFK assassination. Certainly leadership CFR members such as Allen Dulles, John J. McCloy, and Gerald Ford played the most critical roles in the Warren Commission farce. Add in cover up roles played by McGeorge Bundy (CFR/CIA), Nelson Rockefeller (CFR/CIA), Henry Kissinger (CFR/CIA), Richard Helms (CFR/CIA), William Colby (CFR/CIA), Nicholas Katzenbach (CFR), Jack Valenti (CFR), Bill Moyers (CFR), Henry Luce (CFR), Clair Boothe Luce (CFR), William Coleman (CFR) James Reston NY Times (CFR), Anthony Lewis NY Times (CFR), William F. Buckley (CFR/CIA), Walter Cronkite CBS (CFR), Dan Rather CBS (CFR), Bob Schieffer CBS (CFR), Peter Jennings ABC (CFR), Daniel Schorr (CFR), Arthur Ochs Sulzberger NY Times (CFR), Michael Eisner Disney (CFR), Harrison Salisbury NY Times (CFR), Kenneth Gilmore Readers’ Digest (CFR), Tom Braden (CFR/CIA), Stephen Rosenfeld Washington Post (CFR), Bobbie Ray Inman (CFR/CIA), Arnold de Borchgrave (CFR), Donald Rumsfeld (CFR), Rupert Murdoch FOX (CFR), John McCain (CFR), Robert Gates CIA (CFR)… the list is almost endless. Note two things: 1) they are the key establishment players of BOTH major political parties spanning decades 2) their power and influence is directly proportional to the fantastic whoppers they tell about in the 1963 Coup d’Etat. For the older CFR members it is a case of PARTICIPATION and COVER UP in the JFK assassination. For the younger ones such as Bill Clinton (CFR), Douglas G. Brinkley (CFR), George Will (CFR/ABC), Charles Krauthammer (CFR/FOX), Bill Kristol (CFR/FOX), David Gergen (CFR), John Segenthaler (CFR), Frank Sesno (CFR), Evan Thomas (CFR), Michael Beschloss (CFR), Stephen M. Walt (CFR), George Stephanopolous (CFR/ABC), Jonathan Alter (CFR), Evan Thomas (CFR), Brian Williams (CFR/NBC), Daniel Pipes (CFR), Michael Gerson (CFR) it is a case of WILLFUL IGNORANCE as they still push the Big Lie. Note: Chris Matthews of Hardball, another willfully ignorant man, is close friends with Richard Haass, current president of CFR. I have never seen highly acclaimed political guru Michael Barone, a Bilderberger attendee, ever say anything credible on the JFK assassination.

Question: do we really expect the CFR to admit that some of its elite members slaughtered John Kennedy and many more played integral roles in the cover up? No, but it is important to highlight that the Council on Foreign Relations has stunk up the place with tremendous amounts of radioactive horse manure relating to the 1963 Coup d’Etat.

The key thing to understand about the Council on Foreign Relations is that it has been joined at the hip with the CIA and that US intelligence has long used the CFR to manipulate the media. Covering up the JFK assassination has been a Holy Grail of the CFR/CIA.

The 1963 Coup d’Etat was very similar to the 1992 election between George Herbert Walker Bush, Ross Perot and Bill Clinton. In 1963, there was a Texas Vice President, a desperate and dangerous Lyndon Johnson - supported by the CFR, the intelligence agencies, military contractors and the oil industry - who feared exposure of his criminality and was on the verge of political and personal annihilation. So Lyndon Johnson used the CIA to murder his political rival John Kennedy.

In the 1992, there was a Texas President, a desperate and dangerous George Herbert Walker Bush, supported by the CFR, the intelligence agencies, military contractors and the oil industry - who feared exposure of his criminality and was on the verge of political and personal annihilation. Ross Perot was well aware of the gargantuan Bush/Clinton/CIA drug smuggling of the 1980’s. So George Herbert Walker Bush used elite CIA “Pegasus” assassins to threaten to murder Ross Perot. GHW Bush feared what Perot, a self-funded (and therefore uncontrollable) billionaire might do in office. Bush, like LBJ 29 years before, faced both political and potentially personal annihilation if an untainted Ross Perot were elected.

Ross Perot was leading in a Time/CNN poll in June, 1992, with 37% to 24% Clinton, 24% Bush. On July 16, 1992, Ross Perot, a billionaire who could self-fund and was leading in the polls significantly, QUIT the presidential race because he feared that a desperate George Herbert Walker Bush might literally assassinate him. Google “Chip Tatum Pegasus” and read about the elite CIA assassin who quit rather than follow the orders of George Herbert Walker Bush and neutralize Ross Perot:

http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/MENA/TATUM/tatum.html An incensed Perot later got back in the race only to ensure the election of Bill Clinton.

I think that George Herbert Walker Bush (CIA/CFR) became a made man with the JFK assassination in 1963. Read the book Family of Secrets by Russ Baker to learn more about the possible role of GHW Bush. Also read this link: http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/bush.htm

One of the first things the Bill Clinton (CIA/CFR) did after he got elected in 1992 was to ask Webb Hubbell at Justice to find out who really killed John Kennedy. Bill Clinton is a coward; he is good friends with GHW Bush today and Clinton today says he thinks a lone nut killed Kennedy - something he surely does not believe.

The Discovery Channel has put out some incredibly bogus, poorly done disinfo presentations such as Inside the Target Car. Any MSM site that features Vincent Bugliosi, Gerald Posner, especially Hugh Aynesworth, Edward Jay Epstein, Gus Russo, Michael Shermer, Dale Meyers, Max Holland, Dave Perry or Gary Mack prominently and positively is giving you counterfeit money. Edward Epstein and Gerald Posner in particular are thought by many credible JFK researchers to be CIA propagandists. If you google “JFK assassination” the first 2 links that come up are lone nutter controlled disinfo sites: 1) Wikipedia 2) John McAdam’s site. John McAdams is a very lowly regarded man who basically controls JFK related content on Wikipedia as well as his own site. Both Wikipedia and the NY Times are both tremendously dishonest sources for information relating to the 1963 Coup d’Etat. Finally, another major source of disinformation on the Coup of 1963 is the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas, which blithely recycles the shredded vapors of the Warren Commission, as if it had an ounce of truth in it. Gary Mack, the curator of the Sixth Floor Museum, simply does not have credibility on the JFK assassination.

A special note on Wikipedia: any entry related to the JFK assassination or US intelligence agent Lee Harvey Oswald is locked down to prevent editing by the public. Wiki founder Jimmy Wales has a fondness for governmental fairy tales and JFK experts are prevented from editing entries on the site.

In the near future there are going to be efforts by both Tom Hanks (HBO series) and Leonardo DiCaprio (a movie Legacy of Secrecy) to take on the JFK assassination. Sadly, these are both going to be disinformation efforts; the ONLY legitimate take on the JFK assassination is that it was a full blown domestic coup d’etat. Tom Hanks is a clueless lone nutter.

Legacy of Secrecy, produced by Warner Brothers, is a deeply flawed attempt to blame the JFK assassination on “the mob only,” leaving out Lyndon Johnson, the National Security State and the shadow government of Texas oil barons and Rockefellers. Courtenay Lynda Valenti, an executive vice president of production at Warner Brothers,

is very likely (short of a DNA test) the biological daughter (born in 1963) of Lyndon Johnson and Mary Margaret Valenti. Mary Margaret Valenti, a Texas beauty, had been a secretary/mistress of Lyndon Johnson and it is believed that Jack Valenti was letting his “wife” sleep with Lyndon Johnson. Back in the 1960’s Courtenay Lynda Valenti was known as the “baby in Lyndon Johnson’s White House” and was often referred to by LBJ as “Lynda” and “his little heartbeat.” As an adult, Courtenay Lynda Valenti is now producing some major disinformation on the 1963 Coup d’Etat: Legacy of Secrecy. Her brother John “Lyndon” Valenti (namesake only of LBJ) also works at Warner Brothers. Jack Valenti, her “dad,” issued a 7-page statement in 1992 denouncing Oliver Stone’s JFK as “a propaganda masterpiece and equally a hoax.”

Similar to Jack Valenti, another sycophant of Lyndon Johnson is biographer Doris Kearns Goodwin who met Johnson in 1967 at age 23 (LBJ, age 58). Sally Quinn, in a revealing article in the Wash Post (8/24/75), entitled “A Tale of Hearts and Minds,” wrote that Doris said LBJ “pressed me very hard sexually the first year,” that he courted her aggressively, then he asked her to marry him, that he was jealous of other men in her life.” Doris, after spending much face time with LBJ, ghost wrote LBJ’s presidential autobiography Vantage Point and later a biography on him which, no surprise, did not include any references to Johnson’s pivotal role in the JFK assassination. Doris has all but admitted that she was having sex with Lyndon Johnson.

The best discussion boards on the internet for good info are 1) Education Forum 2) Deep Politics Forum 3) www.assassinationresearch.com 3) JFKmurdersolved.com and 4) Mary Ferrell Foundation – www.maryferrell.org 5) JFK Lancer. On Facebook, the premier spots are JFK-The Grassy Knoll Witnesses (run by Rusty Yardum) http://www.facebook.com/pages/JFK-The-Grassy-Knoll-Witnesses/115305938487641 and JFK Assassination http://www.facebook.com/note.php?saved&&note_id=197818803570567#!/home.php?sk=group_133383230054271 run by Al Tavers. Black Op radio’s web site www.blackopradio.com (Len Osanic) is an excellent place to listen to high quality interviews with folks such as JFK expert Jim DiEugenio. Deep Politics Quarterly (Walt Brown) http://www.manuscriptservice.com/DPQ/ and www.ctka.net (Jim DiEugenio) are 2 other quality spots on the internet.

As for videos, I highly recommend going to You Tube and watching the extremely important The Men Who Killed Kennedy - (episodes 7, 8, and 9). Much of these episodes focus on the role of Lyndon Johnson in the 1963 Coup d’Etat and they were BANNED from the History Channel because they were so accurate. LBJ aide Jack Valenti (CFR) organized a suppression campaign on the videos along with Lady Bird Johnson, Warren Commission con man Gerald Ford (CFR), Jimmy Carter (CFR) and Bill Moyers (CFR). Also, on You Tube watch the spectacular “Evidence of Revision” and Jesse Ventura’s 2010 Conspiracy Theory show on the JFK assassination (You Tube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHUKPXR5TbQ ). In addition, I recommend JFK the movie by Oliver Stone, director’s cut. Oliver Stone, despite immense criticism in the MSM by CIA assets, pretty much nailed the JFK assassination. It was a full blown Coup d’Etat by Lyndon Johnson, the CIA and key elements of the U.S. military.

Robert Morrow is a political researcher with over 200+ books on the 1963 Coup d’Etat, aka JFK assassination. His email is Morrow321@aol.com and he accepts phone calls at 512-306-1510.

If you want to get quickly “up to speed” on the JFK assassination, here is what to read:

1) LBJ: Mastermind of JFK’s Assassination by Phillip Nelson

2) JFK and the Unspeakable:Why He Died and Why it Matters by James Douglass

3) Brothers: the Hidden History of the Kennedy Years by David Talbot

4) The Dark Side of Camelot by Seymour Hersh

5) Family of Secrets: The Bush Dynasty by Russ Baker.

6) Google the essay “LBJ-CIA Assassination of JFK” by Robert Morrow.

7) Google “National Security State and the Assassination of JFK by Andrew Gavin Marshall.”

8) Google “Chip Tatum Pegasus.”

9) Google “Vincent Salandria False Mystery Speech.” Read everything that Vincent Salandria ever wrote.

10) Google “Murray Rothbard the JFK Flap”

11) Google “Preserving the Legacy by Mat Wilson”

11) Google “Bertrand Russell 16 Questions on the Assassination”

12) Watch on You Tube the extremely important videos The Men Who Killed Kennedy, episodes 7, 8, and 9 which focus on the role of Lyndon Johnson.

13) Watch on You Tube Jesse Ventura’s show on the JFK assassination.

14) Watch the movie JFK director’s cut by Oliver Stone.

15) Watch on You Tube “Evidence of Revision.” – 8 hours of fantastic and rare footage relating to the JFK assassination.

Another key point: Lee Harvey Oswald was U.S. intelligence and he shot NO ONE on 11/2263. Re: Oswald's intelligence connections read 1) "Oswald and the CIA" by John Newman 2) "Spy Saga: Lee Harvey Oswald and US Intelligence" by Philip Melanson 3) "History Will Not Absolve Us" by Martin Schotz (Chapter V Oswald and U.S. Intelligence by Christopher Sharrett) 4) "Me and Lee" by Judyth Vary Baker (Oswald's mistress in New Orleans, summer 1963) 5) Google “Lee Harvey Oswald’s reading habits summer 1963”

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