Gary Mack believes in a second shooter in Dealey Plaza

[Terry Adams]

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Gary Mack's response to our email:

Please fix this erroneous statement on your website:

"Features David Kaiser, author of "The Road to Dallas", and Max Holland, author of the "Kennedy Assassination Tapes". Heads Up: All guests believe Lee Oswald acted alone."

David believes there was a conspiracy, though I don't know his details. And I'm on the show, too, and my personal support of the HSCA acoustics evidence of two gunmen has never wavered.

My response:

Gary,

...I thought from your recent statements on the news that you considered LHO to be the lone gunman although previously you have supported the acoustic evidence. Kaiser has not made a statement that I am aware of that he believes in more than one shooter.

Best,

Debra (Conway)

Is everyone as surprised as I am to read this? I was under the impression that Gary Mack was an early believer in "Badgeman" as a shooter, but later changed his mind. Are we guilty of a hasty rush to judgment where Mr. Mack is concerned?

Terry

[Cliff Varnell]

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Gary Mack's response to our email:

Please fix this erroneous statement on your website:

"Features David Kaiser, author of "The Road to Dallas", and Max Holland, author of the "Kennedy Assassination Tapes". Heads Up: All guests believe Lee Oswald acted alone."

David believes there was a conspiracy, though I don't know his details. And I'm on the show, too, and my personal support of the HSCA acoustics evidence of two gunmen has never wavered.

My response:

Gary,

...I thought from your recent statements on the news that you considered LHO to be the lone gunman although previously you have supported the acoustic evidence. Kaiser has not made a statement that I am aware of that he believes in more than one shooter.

Best,

Debra (Conway)

Is everyone as surprised as I am to read this? I was under the impression that Gary Mack was an early believer in "Badgeman" as a shooter, but later changed his mind. Are we guilty of a hasty rush to judgment where Mr. Mack is concerned?

Terry

No, because even if he plumps for conspiracy his statement of "virtually no hard

evidence" is debunked by the clothing evidence, which stands as prima facie hard

evidence of 2+ shooters.

[Jack White]

Gary's two great research achievements were the ACOUSTICS evidence and BADGEMAN.

He knows that to disavow those would make him look more foolish, so he retains those

beliefs to prop up his credibility as a "researcher". This allows him to claim impartiality.

Jack

[Josiah Thompson]

Yes! Knowing the position Gary has held for at least the last fifteen years since we've been good friends, I've been appalled by some of the "slings and arrows" thrown against him on this board.

Since the 1960s, a fundamental problem in the "research community" has been to distinguish solid, committed research from the posturings of the likes of Fetzer, White, Costella, et al. In the public mind, believing in a conspiracy in the Kennedy killing is equivalent too taking wingnut positions... for example, Costella's claim (sponsored by White and Fetzer) that Dealey Plaza was filled with rain sensors that were actually listening devices. This is the kind of nonsense that embarrasses all of us with a genuine interest in getting to the bottom of things.

Gary is limited by his job in what he can say against sort of thing. But his commitment to responsible inquiry has never wavered. He knows more about the details of evidence in this case than anyone I have ever encountered. His work in accreting photos, evidence, and oral histories will prove in the future to be a monumental contribution. Gary deserves great thanks rather than the abuse he too often receives.

JFK Lancer Productions & Publications

JFK Lancer Productions & Publications Announcement

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Gary Mack's response to our email:

Please fix this erroneous statement on your website:

"Features David Kaiser, author of "The Road to Dallas", and Max Holland, author of the "Kennedy Assassination Tapes". Heads Up: All guests believe Lee Oswald acted alone."

David believes there was a conspiracy, though I don't know his details. And I'm on the show, too, and my personal support of the HSCA acoustics evidence of two gunmen has never wavered.

My response:

Gary,

...I thought from your recent statements on the news that you considered LHO to be the lone gunman although previously you have supported the acoustic evidence. Kaiser has not made a statement that I am aware of that he believes in more than one shooter.

Best,

Debra (Conway)

Is everyone as surprised as I am to read this? I was under the impression that Gary Mack was an early believer in "Badgeman" as a shooter, but later changed his mind. Are we guilty of a hasty rush to judgment where Mr. Mack is concerned?

Terry

No, because even if he plumps for conspiracy his statement of "virtually no hard

evidence" is debunked by the clothing evidence, which stands as prima facie hard

evidence of 2+ shooters.

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Yes! Knowing the position Gary has held for at least the last fifteen years since we've been good friends, I've been appalled by some of the "slings and arrows" thrown against him on this board.

Since the 1960s, a fundamental problem in the "research community" has been to distinguish solid, committed research from the posturings of the likes of Fetzer, White, Costella, et al. In the public mind, believing in a conspiracy in the Kennedy killing is equivalent too taking wingnut positions... for example, Costella's claim (sponsored by White and Fetzer) that Dealey Plaza was filled with rain sensors that were actually listening devices. This is the kind of nonsense that embarrasses all of us with a genuine interest in getting to the bottom of things.

Gary is limited by his job in what he can say against sort of thing. But his commitment to responsible inquiry has never wavered. He knows more about the details of evidence in this case than anyone I have ever encountered. His work in accreting photos, evidence, and oral histories will prove in the future to be a monumental contribution. Gary deserves great thanks rather than the abuse he too often receives.

JFK Lancer Productions & Publications

JFK Lancer Productions & Publications Announcement

Radio Show on Dallas DA Ruby Docs Release

Gary Mack's response to our email:

Please fix this erroneous statement on your website:

"Features David Kaiser, author of "The Road to Dallas", and Max Holland, author of the "Kennedy Assassination Tapes". Heads Up: All guests believe Lee Oswald acted alone."

David believes there was a conspiracy, though I don't know his details. And I'm on the show, too, and my personal support of the HSCA acoustics evidence of two gunmen has never wavered.

My response:

Gary,

...I thought from your recent statements on the news that you considered LHO to be the lone gunman although previously you have supported the acoustic evidence. Kaiser has not made a statement that I am aware of that he believes in more than one shooter.

Best,

Debra (Conway)

Is everyone as surprised as I am to read this? I was under the impression that Gary Mack was an early believer in "Badgeman" as a shooter, but later changed his mind. Are we guilty of a hasty rush to judgment where Mr. Mack is concerned?

Terry

No, because even if he plumps for conspiracy his statement of "virtually no hard

evidence" is debunked by the clothing evidence, which stands as prima facie hard

evidence of 2+ shooters.

Motion Seconded!

P.S. Give yourself a "kudos/attaboy" or two there as well Mr. Thompson.

[Josiah Thompson]

Is mind-reading also a capacity you have and none of the rest of us share? This is just the usual bile we have come to expect and is directed against a person who worked with you for many years. You will undoubtedly hold onto this mean-spirited judgment forever as you follow your life-principle -- never admit you're wrong even when your pants are around your ankles!

Gary's two great research achievements were the ACOUSTICS evidence and BADGEMAN.

He knows that to disavow those would make him look more foolish, so he retains those

beliefs to prop up his credibility as a "researcher". This allows him to claim impartiality.

Jack

[Bill Miller]

Is mind-reading also a capacity you have and none of the rest of us share? This is just the usual bile we have come to expect and is directed against a person who worked with you for many years. You will undoubtedly hold onto this mean-spirited judgment forever as you follow your life-principle -- never admit you're wrong even when your pants are around your ankles!

Jack measures your credibility as a researcher by how much you buy into his claims. This can change overnight, as you have witnessed firsthand.

Bill

Edited February 24, 2008 by Bill Miller

[Denis Pointing]

Is everyone as surprised as I am to read this? I was under the impression that Gary Mack was an early believer in "Badgeman" as a shooter, but later changed his mind. Are we guilty of a hasty rush to judgment where Mr. Mack is concerned?

Terry

Yes Terry, I think many here are guilty of exactly that. Gary Mack has sent me many emails, always helpful and polite, pointing out mistakes Ive made on various postings, answering questions etc, but NEVER trying to lead me down any particular road, NEVER trying to persuade me in any particular direction and NEVER giving an unsolicited opinion. I belive Gary Mack to be not only honest and sincere, but also the best damn researcher on the planet, let alone this forum. And if anyone wants to call me "poster boy" or "fan boy" or any other nasty labels they can think up..let em! Where I'm from those insults are just polite conversation. If this case is ever reopened, it will be due to researchers like Gary Mack, not "researchers" like Fetzer an Co. And I'll add one more observation, Gary Mack has never sent emails warning me not to listen to a fellow member, because they "work for the other side" or they are "disinformation agents" which is more than can be said about one of the previous posters on this thread. Denis.

Edited February 24, 2008 by Denis Pointing

[David G. Healy]

Is mind-reading also a capacity you have and none of the rest of us share? This is just the usual bile we have come to expect and is directed against a person who worked with you for many years. You will undoubtedly hold onto this mean-spirited judgment forever as you follow your life-principle -- never admit you're wrong even when your pants are around your ankles!

Jack measures your credibility as a researcher by how much you buy into his claims. This can change overnight, as you have witnessed firsthand.

Bill

your credibility on the other hand has NEVER been in doubt, nor does it change (and it ain't good!)... LMAO

Edited February 24, 2008 by David G. Healy

[Bernice Moore]

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Gary Mack's response to our email:

Please fix this erroneous statement on your website:

"Features David Kaiser, author of "The Road to Dallas", and Max Holland, author of the "Kennedy Assassination Tapes". Heads Up: All guests believe Lee Oswald acted alone."

David believes there was a conspiracy, though I don't know his details. And I'm on the show, too, and my personal support of the HSCA acoustics evidence of two gunmen has never wavered.

My response:

Gary,

...I thought from your recent statements on the news that you considered LHO to be the lone gunman although previously you have supported the acoustic evidence. Kaiser has not made a statement that I am aware of that he believes in more than one shooter.

Best,

Debra (Conway)

Is everyone as surprised as I am to read this? I was under the impression that Gary Mack was an early believer in "Badgeman" as a shooter, but later changed his mind. Are we guilty of a hasty rush to judgment where Mr. Mack is concerned?

Terry

Terry.....

You should have posted the all of it.....

B.....

Debra

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Perhaps I should have been more clear in my posting above. I did fail to list Gary Mack as a guest on the program due only to my haste in updating this email list on the documents being available on line. Most recently, Mack was on the Keith Oberman show where he made this statement:

"Virtually all the hard evidence leads to Lee Harvey Oswald."

Perhaps. Mack and I will have to disagree over what is "hard" evidence.

Regarding David Kaiser, I should have been more clear that while he believes in a conspirary to kill President Kennedy, he states his belief that Lee Oswald acted alone in shooting JFK.

From Amazon Reviews:

Library Journal (starred review) : A scrupulously researched account, which may be one of the best books yet on the assassination...Kaiser posits that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman although he did not act alone: the murder plot was hatched by Mafia bosses Santo Trafficante, John Roselli, and Sam Giancana as revenge for Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy's relentless pursuit of the mob and for the vast sums of money they lost when Castro closed Cuba's mob-controlled casinos. Other startling revelations are that Oswald might have been a CIA agent, even though he was promised a large sum of money by the mob to kill Kennedy, and that Jack Ruby killed Oswald on orders from the Mafia, to which Ruby was connected. This detailed, often chilling account stands out among the overwhelming number of assassination books.

--Karl Helicher

I leave our readers with one of my favorite quotes:

"We don't have any proof that Oswald fired the rifle. No one has been able to put him in that building with a gun in his hand." --Dallas Police Chief Jesse Curry, quoted by United Press International, November 5, 1969."

[J. William King]

I've always been impressed with Gary's knowledge of the assassination, and his willingness to share his expertise with anyone, on either side of the fence, in an impartial and neutral manner. I think that as a result of his job, he has to be on the LN side of that fence (at least publicly), however he spends lots of time looking over that fence towards our side, and occasionally even opening the gate between the two sides.

I'm a very, very minor poster on this board, but he still spends the time and effort to email me concerning my comments and questions as he does with many others here. Thanks Gary.

JWK

[Pamela Brown]

I don't know Gary well, so can't comment other than regarding my personal experiences, I do feel he kind of walks between the raindrops. I am disappointed that the 6th Floor Museum doesn't carry conspiracy books, including CAR CRASH CULTURE, with the chapter "SS-100-X" that I wrote. I am disappointed that I mentored his receiving a donation of photos of Dealey Plaza immediately after the assassination, and was told that I would receive copies of them, and have not. And, most recently, I am disappointed that Gary tried to go out of his way to stop me from attempting to find an open forum for Judyth Baker, giving me the impression that he didn't consider me capable of thinking for myself.

[Jack White]

I've always been impressed with Gary's knowledge of the assassination, and his willingness to share his expertise with anyone, on either side of the fence, in an impartial and neutral manner. I think that as a result of his job, he has to be on the LN side of that fence (at least publicly), however he spends lots of time looking over that fence towards our side, and occasionally even opening the gate between the two sides.

I'm a very, very minor poster on this board, but he still spends the time and effort to email me concerning my comments and questions as he does with many others here. Thanks Gary.

JWK

That's his job, you know.

Jack

[Chris Scally]

Hi, all:

I can no longer contain my anger and disappointment at the constant stream of vitriolic abuse that is directed at Gary Mack (and others, like Josiah Thompson, to a lesser extent) on this Forum.

I am proud to say that I've known and corresponded with Gary Mack for over 20 years, and I have never found him to be anything other that helpful, courteous, and generous. To read the abuse that is being hurled at him on a daily basis is nothing short of sickening, particularly when he cannot publicly respond for work reasons.

No two human beings agree on everything, all the time. If we did, this would be a very boring world. However, to indulge in the sort of personal abuse that has become the norm on this Forum will resolve no differences.

To John and the Moderators - can you do nothing to put a stop to this?

To Gary, and all the others who have given so much to research - my sincere thanks.

And, to those who are engaged in this abuse - GIVE IT UP....!

Chris Scally.

[Thomas H. Purvis]

Hi, all:

I can no longer contain my anger and disappointment at the constant stream of vitriolic abuse that is directed at Gary Mack (and others, like Josiah Thompson, to a lesser extent) on this Forum.

I am proud to say that I've known and corresponded with Gary Mack for over 20 years, and I have never found him to be anything other that helpful, courteous, and generous. To read the abuse that is being hurled at him on a daily basis is nothing short of sickening, particularly when he cannot publicly respond for work reasons.

No two human beings agree on everything, all the time. If we did, this would be a very boring world. However, to indulge in the sort of personal abuse that has become the norm on this Forum will resolve no differences.

To John and the Moderators - can you do nothing to put a stop to this?

To Gary, and all the others who have given so much to research - my sincere thanks.

And, to those who are engaged in this abuse - GIVE IT UP....!

Chris Scally.

Most certainly one of the more intelligent comments posted on this forum in some time.

Although I have not known Gary Mack for that long, and in reality do not even know him at all, he has impressed me as a "researcher for the facts", which is a compliment that is reserved for few.

And, although I most certainly can not speak for Gary, a searcher for the facts and truths may frequently form a hypothisis based on the available information at the time.

Anyone in the problem resolution field must do he same.

This does not mean that the hypothesis is a "finished" fact.

Merely that it can go little further at that point in time and is as close as one can come to the final answer due to limitations of available information.

It is the true researcher who takes any additional information as it becomes available and applies it to the relevant issues of the hypothesis, and then adjust the hypothesis accordingly, who ultimate derives the correct answer and the facts.

Therefore, if Gary Mack's review and evaluation of additional facts and information leads him to progressively change a hypothesis accordingly, then one would have to classify him as a TRUE RESEARCHER.

Tom

P.S. My initial viewing (without knowing the facts) of CE399 was that it was a CIA tool which is utilized as a "Framing Round".

I was incorrect, merely because prior experience brought in a "snap judgement" without actually having examined the factual aspects of CE399.