The Work of Dale Myers

[John Simkin]

Soon after I posted the Dale Myers analysis on the Forum that well-known advocate of free discussion, Gary Mack, emailed the group to say what I had done. Dale Myers immediately complained to the moderators of the JFK group and Peter Dale Scott has asked me to remove his account from the forum. It seems that Dale Myers does not want his opinions discussed on the forum. He emailed me and demanded that I even removed the criticism of his ideas. I have refused to do that. However, I have deleted Dale Myers' account from the forum. You will have to go to his website if you are interested in his views on the subject.

John,

Myers has some control over his words via copyright protection though I think fair use would prevail - in any case he has absolutely no legal power to preclude discussing his ideas.

Ironic, since Pat has suggested an idea that extends Myers thoughts - but maybe that's the problem. Myers wouldn't like it if someone showed a simpler and more direct route to his convoluted conclusions.

Best to you,

Jerry

Well, I see John did remove the criticism of Dale Myers work from the forum. I think it should be reposted and discussed further, especially if he doesn't want it.

Using the lack of photo evidence to discredit the acoustic evidence doesn't hold water, as not everything was photographed and we just don't know what was happening where the cameras weren't pointed.

We do know however, that Dale Myers' book on the Tippit murder is intentionally deceptive, does not give an accurate account of the murder, does not even get into certain aspects that have proved to be important, and that his intention is not to develop the truth as to what really happened but to dismiss any conspiracy thinking.

We also know that his computer animated cartoons are as equally deceptive and not usefull for anything except for attempting to try to fool anyone who bothers to view them.

And his statement in the now removed post that he has offered to show this irrefutable proof to Blakey, who is as deceptive in his own way as Myers, and Barger and the real acoustic specialists,

but they all declined, is indicative of how his work should be treated - ignored.

While the government has refused to conduct the research that the HSCA requested be conducted on the Barger/Ackensensay studies, which should have been done, it seems that they have

conducted some acoustical reseach into gunshot sounds and indentifications, as they have gone operational with new equipment, as this article details:

HELECOPTERS EQUIPED WITH ACOUSTIC SHOT DETECTION -

http://defensetech.o...or-afghanistan/

John Judge, who supplied this link, says that one of these sensors is needed for Dealey Plaza.

Also, it should be questioned whether such a sensor or an adapted one could be tested on the acoustcs in evidence to see if they are gunshots and from which direction they were fired.

ARTICLE:

While missiles and RPGs have downed more helicopters in both Iraq and Afghanistan, insurgents shouldering the venerable AK-47 are a far more frequently encountered threat to helicopters in Afghanistan than shoulder fired missiles. Army and Marine helicopters have been equipped with electronic detection and countermeasures to protect against shoulder fired and larger missiles for years. Yet, there are no systems to tell pilots when they're coming under small arms fire. That's about to change.

The military is sending four UH-60 Blackhawk helicopters to Afghanistan, each of which is rigged with 18 acoustical sensors able to detect the supersonic shock wave of a bullet in flight and then triangulate and pinpoint the gunmen. The program, known as Helicopter Alert and Threat Termination (HALTT) system, under development by DARPA, will see its first operational testing come October, Zachary Lemnios, director of Defense Research & Engineering, told reporters today.

HALTT borrows technology from the Boomerang acoustic gunshot detection system developed for ground vehicles. The helicopter equivalent is intended to warn pilots of where the shooter is located, in under a second, so they can either take evasive action or engage.

According to data compiled by a congressionally mandated study (see article pg. 9) on helicopter survivability, a total of 70 U.S. helicopters have been downed by hostile fire in Iraq and Afghanistan from 2001 through 2009. The report found that 375 helicopters in total have been lost; 305 of those classified as non-hostile and non-combat events. The study found that insurgents most often visually acquired their targets as 75 percent of helicopters were downed during daylight hours; the report does not say whether infra-red tracking missiles accounted for any night-time losses.

Small arms fire, including machine guns, have accounted for 31 percent of helicopter losses in Iraq and Afghanistan; the majority of losses came from enemy RPGs and MANPADS. The low loss rate to small arms fire actually represents a huge improvement over Vietnam, where some 2,000 helicopters were downed by enemy fire; 94 percent of those losses coming from small arms fire. The study concluded that better tactics, flying at night with the aid of night vision and hardier aircraft design in today's wars account for the dramatic difference. In the early Vietnam years, single engine designs, lack of night vision goggles, lack of critical system redundancy and non-crashworthy fuel systems resulted in high losses. The study says there were no reported losses in Iraq or Afghanistan to radar-guided weapons.

[John Simkin]

[Well, I see John did remove the criticism of Dale Myers work from the forum. I think it should be reposted and discussed further, especially if he doesn't want it.

No, I did not. I only removed his original words. It just highlights the fact that he is not willing to have his opinions questioned by the experts on this forum. It is interesting that Gary Mack, the gatekeeper of truth concerning the JFK assassination, was the one who complained to the email group of my posting Dale Myers' account. Of course, he is another one who is scared to engage in debate on this forum (even though he is a member).

[William Kelly]

EPIPOLAR GEOMETRIC ANALYSIS OF AMATEUR FILMS RELATED TO ACOUSTICS EVIDENCE IN THE

JOHN F. KENNEDY

ASSASSINATIONhttp://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/acoustics.htm

By Dale K. Myers

"...if it can be shown that there was no vehicle or person with a police radio near the trajectory where I found it to be, then, that is impeaching evidence." [1] Dr. James Barger, Lead Scientist, BBN, 2001

"If you could prove to me that there was no police officer in the place where he had to be, you would falsify [the acoustics evidence]." [2] G. Robert Blakey, Chief Counsel, HSCA, 2003

Summary

In 1979, the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) concluded that there was a "high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy," and therefore, Kennedy was "probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy." [3]

Their conclusion, which contradicted the 1964 Warren Commission's conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald alone killed President Kennedy, was based largely on an acoustical analysis of an eight-second segment of a Dallas police recording made of radio transmissions presumed to have originated from a motorcycle within the presidential motorcade. Although the static-filled recording contained no audible sounds that could be distinguished as being gunshots, two acoustic research groups James Barger, Scott Robinson, Edward Schmidt and Jared Wolf of Bolt, Beranek and Newman, Inc. (BBN), and later, Mark Weiss and Ernest Aschkenasy of Queens College (WA) concluded that the recording contained four impulse sounds, which they believed were probable gunshots.

According to these experts, three of the "gunshots" originated from the southeastern-most sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository, while a fourth "gunshot" originated from the southeast corner of the stockade fence atop the grassy knoll. The probability of a grassy knoll shot was believed to be 95 percent. [4]

The acoustic experts predicted that the motorcycle with the open microphone was located 120 to 140 feet behind the presidential limousine at the time of the shooting. After a limited review of the photographic record, the HSCA identified the motorcycle officer with the open microphone as Dallas police officer H.B. McLain, who the committee alleged was "in the approximate position of the transmitting microphone, as indicated by the acoustical analysis," and therefore was responsible for transmitting the gunshot

sounds. [5]

The importance of the HSCA's acoustic evidence cannot be over emphasized. It is the only hard, physical evidence ever offered in support of a conspiracy over the course of the nearly four-and-a-half decade assassination debate. Without it, there is no credible reason to believe that anyone other than Lee Harvey Oswald fired shots at the Kennedy motorcade.

It is equally important to recognize that the conclusions of the HSCA acoustic experts hinge on a very basic assumption a police motorcycle, with an open microphone, was transmitting the sound of the shots from four very specific locations at the time of the assassination. In order for the HSCA's acoustic evidence of conspiracy to have validity, a police motorcycle must be present at the four specific locations and times predicted by the acoustic analysis. If there is no motorcycle at the location and times predicted by their analysis, their conclusions are, by default, invalid plain and simple.

This research paper documents the use of computer technology, epipolar geometry,* and nine amateur 8mm films of the assassination to construct a synchronized photographic record of the shooting and determine the validity of the HSCA's acoustic evidence of conspiracy.

The result is a definitive photographic record of the last 40-seconds of President Kennedy's life that demonstrates that no police motorcycles including, Officer H.B. McLain's were near the area designated by the HSCA's acoustic experts, and consequently, the committee's acoustic evidence of a conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination is invalid.

*Epipolar geometry describes the geometric relationship between two optical systems viewing the same subject and can be used to locate points or objects in space.

"...if it can be shown that there was no vehicle or person with a police radio near the trajectory where I found it to be, then, that is impeaching evidence." [1] Dr. James Barger, Lead Scientist, BBN, 2001

"If you could prove to me that there was no police officer in the place where he had to be, you would falsify [the acoustics evidence]." [2] G. Robert Blakey, Chief Counsel, HSCA, 2003

Summary

In 1979, the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) concluded that there was a "high probability that two gunmen fired at President John F. Kennedy," and therefore, Kennedy was "probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy." [3]

Their conclusion, which contradicted the 1964 Warren Commission's conclusion that Lee Harvey Oswald alone killed President Kennedy, was based largely on an acoustical analysis of an eight-second segment of a Dallas police recording made of radio transmissions presumed to have originated from a motorcycle within the presidential motorcade. Although the static-filled recording contained no audible sounds that could be distinguished as being gunshots, two acoustic research groups James Barger, Scott Robinson, Edward Schmidt and Jared Wolf of Bolt, Beranek and Newman, Inc. (BBN), and later, Mark Weiss and Ernest Aschkenasy of Queens College (WA) concluded that the recording contained four impulse sounds, which they believed were probable gunshots.

According to these experts, three of the "gunshots" originated from the southeastern-most sixth floor window of the Texas School Book Depository, while a fourth "gunshot" originated from the southeast corner of the stockade fence atop the grassy knoll. The probability of a grassy knoll shot was believed to be 95 percent. [4]

The acoustic experts predicted that the motorcycle with the open microphone was located 120 to 140 feet behind the presidential limousine at the time of the shooting. After a limited review of the photographic record, the HSCA identified the motorcycle officer with the open microphone as Dallas police officer H.B. McLain, who the committee alleged was "in the approximate position of the transmitting microphone, as indicated by the acoustical analysis," and therefore was responsible for transmitting the gunshot

sounds. [5]

The importance of the HSCA's acoustic evidence cannot be over emphasized. It is the only hard, physical evidence ever offered in support of a conspiracy over the course of the nearly four-and-a-half decade assassination debate. Without it, there is no credible reason to believe that anyone other than Lee Harvey Oswald fired shots at the Kennedy motorcade.

It is equally important to recognize that the conclusions of the HSCA acoustic experts hinge on a very basic assumption a police motorcycle, with an open microphone, was transmitting the sound of the shots from four very specific locations at the time of the assassination. In order for the HSCA's acoustic evidence of conspiracy to have validity, a police motorcycle must be present at the four specific locations and times predicted by the acoustic analysis. If there is no motorcycle at the location and times predicted by their analysis, their conclusions are, by default, invalid plain and simple.

This research paper documents the use of computer technology, epipolar geometry,* and nine amateur 8mm films of the assassination to construct a synchronized photographic record of the shooting and determine the validity of the HSCA's acoustic evidence of conspiracy.

The result is a definitive photographic record of the last 40-seconds of President Kennedy's life that demonstrates that no police motorcycles including, Officer H.B. McLain's were near the area designated by the HSCA's acoustic experts, and consequently, the committee's acoustic evidence of a conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination is invalid.

Conclusion

The reconstructed photographic record conclusively demonstrates that no police motorcycles including, Officer H.B. McLain's were near the area designated by the HSCA's acoustic experts, and consequently, the committee's acoustic evidence of a conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination is invalid.

This finding, based on the photographic record alone, supports and is consistent with the conclusions reached by the 1982 National Academy of Science's Committee on Ballistic Acoustics which determined that the recorded segment analyzed by the HSCA acoustic experts was recorded at least one minute after the assassination, and therefore, could not have contained "gunshots."

Edited August 21, 2010 by William Kelly

[Dean Hagerman]

[Well, I see John did remove the criticism of Dale Myers work from the forum. I think it should be reposted and discussed further, especially if he doesn't want it.

No, I did not. I only removed his original words. It just highlights the fact that he is not willing to have his opinions questioned by the experts on this forum. It is interesting that Gary Mack, the gatekeeper of truth concerning the JFK assassination, was the one who complained to the email group of my posting Dale Myers' account. Of course, he is another one who is scared to engage in debate on this forum (even though he is a member).

Gary Mack finked on you John?

Ban him! Kick him off the forum so he cant send his 100s of worthless PMs to every member

He wont even post here because he is too chicken xxxx!

I cant believe he ran and told Dale Myers on you like an 8 year old little girl

[David Von Pein]

Most conspiracy theorists on the Internet (and on Anybody-But-Oswald Radio, hosted by pathetic Mack-basher Len Osanic) love to perpetuate myths about Mr. Mack. They call him every name in the book, and for some silly reason they seem to think he has totally ABANDONED all thoughts of possible/potential conspiracy in the JFK assassination. It's just not true.

Just because Mr. Mack can easily see what is so obviously true -- Lee Oswald took his rifle to work on November 22 and shot some people with it from the sixth floor -- many CTers seem to feel this automatically makes Gary a person who deserves nothing but scorn and verbal abuse.

It's sickening to hear Mr. Mack being called the derogatory names he has been called on the Internet over the last several years.

Gary Mack is a treasure, IMO. He is a walking encyclopedia on the JFK assassination (particularly when it comes to things dealing with the TSBD, Dealey Plaza, and other Dallas sites connected to the events of 11/22/63). He is always very cordial and forthcoming with ANY evidence and information he has come across--whether it be "LN"-leaning information or "CT"-leaning.

Many people owe Gary Mack YEARS' worth of apologies. (IMHO.)

Edited August 21, 2010 by David Von Pein

[Dean Hagerman]

I am lost.

AFAIK, Gary Mack still believes the acoustical evidence.

How can someone "fink" out someone by alerting another about information posted on a public forum?

Because instead of being a man and posting all on his own, Gary likes to hide behind his job title and send PMs, and now we can see that Gary sneaks around finking, snitching, and telling on John Simkin for posting Dale Myers work

Gary Mack is a fink who likes to cause trouble

If you are going to snitch on the website owner then you should at least be man enough to post on that website

Gary Mack makes me sick

[Dean Hagerman]

He is always very cordial and forthcoming with ANY evidence and information he has come across

I dont post PM or Emails because no matter what they say they are private and I have a strict personal code

But you are very wrong David

If you are really interested in how Gary Mack treats people (me) who have different opinions then he does then send me a PM and I will show you

Edited August 21, 2010 by Dean Hagerman

[David Von Pein]

Well, tell me straight out Dean,

Are you a member of the popular Internet "ANYBODY BUT OSWALD" club?

[Dean Hagerman]

Well, tell me straight out Dean,

Are you a member of the popular Internet "ANYBODY BUT OSWALD" club?

No I am not David

I believe Oswald was involved in the plot at a low level and was set up

I also believe that Oswald may have killed JD Tippit (im about 60/40 on that)

I take it that you must read right over all of my posts, that sucks because I read all of yours

Edited August 21, 2010 by Dean Hagerman

[David Von Pein]

No I am not, David. I believe Oswald was involved in the plot at a low level and was set up. I also believe that Oswald may have killed JD Tippit (I'm about 60/40 on that).

Thank you for your concise and straightforward reply, Dean. I appreciate it. Lots of times I can't get a CTer to answer the simple basic questions like those.

BTW, when I constantly say "ABO" or Anybody But Oswald, I'm referring to the people who truly think Oswald didn't shoot Kennedy AND didn't shoot Tippit either.

My ABO references also refer to people who believe Oswald was a part of some "plot", but he never fired a shot at EITHER Kennedy or Tippit. And there are a lot of those type of CTers on the Internet. Way more than exist in the general population, Dean, as this 2003 ABC poll easily demonstrates, with only 7% of the 1,031 respondents thinking Oswald did NOT pull the trigger on JFK:

http://www.pollingreport.com/news2.htm#Kennedy

I take it that you must read right over all of my posts, that sucks because I read all of yours.

Well, to tell you the truth, Dean, I really haven't seen you post very much substantive material since my arrival here on 8/2/10. It seems like most of your posts are very short, and many of them consist of no words at all, merely this:

So, I guess I've missed most of your posts that deal with any of the facts or details of the case. Sorry.

Edited August 21, 2010 by David Von Pein

[Dean Hagerman]

Well, to tell you the truth, Dean, I really haven't seen you post very much substantive material since my arrival here on 8/2/10. It seems like most of your replies are very short, and many of them consist of no words at all, merely this:

So, I guess I've missed most of your posts that deal with any of the facts or details of the case. Sorry.

Thats just to show that im always laughing, im a jokester and I find humor in just about everything

Start looking beyond my laughing David, you might be shocked to find out how many CT theories that I dismiss

[David Von Pein]

Start looking beyond my laughing David, you might be shocked to find out how many CT theories that I dismiss.

I'd like to. But, then too, as I told somebody the other day, I don't visit each and every thread in this place. Not even close. So maybe that's why I've been missing your substance.

I find humor in just about everything.

But you don't find humor within the MULTI-GUN, ONE-PATSY plot that so many CTers endorse, huh Dean?

If anything should elicit a belly-laugh (or fifty), it should be that silliness.

Edited August 21, 2010 by David Von Pein

[B. A. Copeland]

I do not believe Oswald even fired a weapon on 11/22/63 lol, that personally, is not difficult to see or believe.

[William Kelly]

I think Dale Myers work is important, not only beause I disagree with most of it, but beause he gets to write and publish books, go on TV, and receives a lot of media access that most researchers don't get.

I've had more than one run in with Myers over the years, but one situation stands out, and that's when he ridiculed me on his web site for saying that J.D. Tippit's first name meant something, and wasn't just plain "J.D." as Myers insisted.

While others have claimed that it was the initials of "Jefferson Davis," the President of the Confederacy, I never made that accusation, but I knew that the initials meant something, and weren't just made up out of thin air.

Myers insisted however, that he talked with Tippit's family and they all said that "J.D." was just plain old "J.D." and the initials did not mean Jeff Davis or any particular name.

Well I pressed the issue, and eventually Myers came around and acknowldged that his father named him after a book he liked, an adventure, Western, that included a character or was written by a guy who only went by the initials "J.D.".

So it does mean something, and didn't just mean nothing, it came from the hero or author of an adventure book that Tippit's father had read and liked.

Then, more recently, I came across the fact that a research somewhere, I think it is in the Dallas City Archives, but there is an official document, a form that Tippit filled out that gave the name "Jefferson Davis" Tippit, and not just plain "J.D." Tippit, so there is a case to be made for the President of the Confederacy.

I don't know if its necessary to go over all of Myers' work to show how deceptive it is, or what it fails to include, but I think that its important to know what Myers is all about and to characterized him properly, and not as a legitimate, independent researcher.

BK

Edited August 22, 2010 by William Kelly

[Dean Hagerman]

I have no problem believing that J.D. stood for Jefferson Davis

I mean Tippit was born in Clarksville, Texas which was part of the Confederacy (Before JD was born obviously), so I dont think its a stretch that he was named after the hero of the Southern States

Edited August 22, 2010 by Dean Hagerman