JFK's NASA NAZIs Vs. Israel

[Jim Phelps]

A good deal of the information on JFK's discussions with Israel and Ben Gurion on Dimona appears to still be sealed. But there appears to be some information pertaining to what was going on in this period:

http://www.lekket.com/data/articles/003-001-008_000.pdf

It appears there was an issue of German Rocket scientists from Western Germany helping the Egyptians make rockets for defense. And even the issue of the Germans giving some nuclear sciences support.

In light of JFK's big alliance with NASA's NAZIs to push the space program into high gear to compete with the Russians for space, there appears to be an issue. Russia certainly has a good number of old German rocket scientists helping them. We find around Nov. 12, 1963 that JFK was going to sell Russia and the US to work together on space programs and use that for Peace making with the Soviets and the US, using the common issues of space and ole German rocket scientists as the venue.

That would make Israel very unhappy. Ben Gurion quit and took up farming over the battle with JFK. JFK wanted to have zero impression anyone was helping set up Nukes so close to Russia after the deal to yank the Jupiter Missiles out of Turkey. Israel having nukes would make a huge deal similar to Turkey's nuke rockets.

And in the end game with JFK, with JFK dead, it appears the Joint Chief's LeMay grand plan to make war with Russia was changed to war with Vietnam to fuel to the Mil / Ind Network's need for a war to make their defense system strong and funded. There are lots of Jewish folks in Russia, which Israel wants to being to Israel. Perhaps there is more to the story, as LBJ took the Zionist stance. Russia's Jewish were preseved and Israel got the bomb.

The greater need for that time was peace with Russia and not bombs for Israel, a US Ally. Kruchev would have had a shoe pounding fit over that and aimed Russian nukes at Israel. It was a catch 22. Perhaps one that helped to kill JFK on November 22, 1963.

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If one played out the scinero at the time. If LeMay and Lemnitzer were allowed to attack Cuba under the fake up "Operation Northwoods", it might have told Russia that the Cubans attacked first and they might not do nothing.

But, the greater intelligence says that Russia had a significant troop presence in Cuba and even many tactical nukes. If LeMay attacked Cuba with a US military force there would have been a nuclear counter attack. Russia would become involved.

LeMay would send the bombers and missles toward Russia, Russia would fire on the US and its ally building bombs at Dimona. And Israel would be history.

So, JFK's insights said the only plan was to hold the Israelis to no nuclear bomb presence, and only declaired and inspected nuclear power was allowed. Any further aggression like more Nukes on Russia's back door, like in Turkey and the whole deal JFK had in mind would be burnt toast.

JFK's foremost priority interest was Peace with Russia, using NASA, and Israel's short sighted needs were secondary for the moment. Once Russia and the US had trust, the German issues in Egypt would calm down.

But there are those that sought other than JFK's plan. Lyman Lemnitzer was a Pro-Israel General, who was good pals with Dulles from the period that German NAZI ALSOS recruits were brought into the US. The West German NAZI scientists in Egypt and the JFK hard line stance on no nukes for Israel is likely the main reason JFK moved him to Europe. He'd later have a role with Pro-Israel LBJ on the USS Libery event, which was an Operation Northwoods type event.

http://www.spingola.com/Dead_Sailors.htm

In the end, those same concerns forced the plan to attack something into Vietnam and the Tonkin faked up mess. The New Game was still bombing and in place of LeMay's Japan fire bombs was Agent Orange and Dioxin, Big Blue 82's, and Napalm. It was a limited war, just to make the weapons people happy and keep the Pentagon in high esteme.

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Edited May 24, 2011 by Jim Phelps

[Guest Tom Scully]

Jim,

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A-dd Wallace's two brothers, James and John, and their wives (James from Des .... Willkie discoverer" and campaign brain-truster; James H. Douglas, Jr., ...

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Field, Glore partner James H. Douglas Jr. was an usher at the wedding of David Hunter McAlpin 3d, who was a grandson of William Rockefeller and of tobacco magnate David H. McAlpin. (Miss Underwood Weds D.H. McAlpin. New York Times, Jun. 13, 1924.) His first wife was Grace McGann; she was a granddaughter of Sen. Charles B. Farwell and a niece of Reginald De Koven, who attended the ceremony. Farwell Winston was her half-brother. (Society Attends McGann-Douglas Wedding Service. Chicago Daily Tribune, Nov. 27, 1927.) His father was a founder of the Quaker Oats Company from Cedar Rapids, Iowa. He graduated from Princeton in 1920 after an interruption for military service, and spent a year in graduate studies at Corpus Christi College of Cambridge University, before graduating from Harvard Law School in 1924. "He started out as a lawyer with the Chicago firm of Winston, Strawn & Shaw the next year, but switched to investment banking in 1929 with Field, Glore & Company." He left it in 1932 to become Assistant Secretary of the Treasury, and later served throughout the Eisenhower administration as Under Secretary and Secretary of the Air Force and Deputy Secretary of Defense. He was a trustee of the University of Chicago for 55 years, and a director of American Airlines, Marsh & McLennan, the Chicago Title and Trust Company and the Metropolitan Life Insurance Company. (James H. Douglas Jr. Dead At 88; Served Presidents and the Military. New York Times, Feb. 28, 1988.) James H. Douglas Jr. was a director of the Fund for the Republic in 1973.

James H. Douglas Jr. Dead At 88 / New York Times

We have an unabashedly establishment, positive Nazi bias in America. How else can we explain a coverup started by FDR, continued by Harry Truman...or do you suspect Tom Clark fired O. John Rogge on his own whim? How else could the people of California had only two leading gubenatorial candidates in the 2003 recall vote to chose from, neither without a Nazi skeleton in the family closet. California is our largest state, isn't such a narrow choice, just a bit odd?

How do we explain how the son of a go between for a Nazi bagman and Wendell Willkie, could unabashedly author a gushing book about his extremist daddy, and still enjoy the public praise for his effort, of former U.S. president, GHW Bush and his son's wonder dog, herr Karl Rove?

If my friend was buried next to Charles A. Lindbergh, I wouldn't be all that quick to publicly praise him.

Maybe you're taking it all too seriously....a little historical background for your consideration.:

....I found that Pryor Jr. had flown Abwehr agent Davis to meet Willkie, and that there had been a lot of partisan republican sourced spin since to attempt to make this Nazi sourced funding of Willkie look like something that absurdly morphed Davis into an innocent role as FDR's "peace making emmisary" to Goering. As I linked above, Rogge's report and Charles Higham's "Treason" make it seem much more ominous.

The decisive influence for me was finding that Pryor Jr. and Lindbergh became so close that they decided to be buried almost next to each other, while Lindbergh's wife, politically reformed in her later years, made other arrangements for her mortal remains. Then I found that Jerry Ford was R. Douglas Stuart's America First founding partner and finally I stumbled upon the coup attempt reported by Smedley Butler. I finally learned about the Gehlen org., and much more about Operation Paperclip, and finally about Dornberger at Bell Helicopter....

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_Schwarzenegger#Early_life

Arnold Schwarzenegger

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

...Early life

....In later life, Schwarzenegger commissioned the Simon Wiesenthal Center to research his father's wartime record, which came up with no evidence of atrocities despite Gustav's membership in the Nazi Party and SA.[9] Ironically, Schwarzenneger's father's background received wide press attention during the 2003 California recall campaign,[12] in contrast to the absence, ever, of press reporting of Schwarzenneger's opponent's family history during, or since the gubernatorial recall election in 2003, that the then Governor, Gray Davis's grandfather, William Rhodes Davis, was described in the press after WWII to have been a Nazi Abwehr agent[13] accused of funding republican presidential candidate, Wendell Wilkie in the 1940 U.S. presidential election campaign.[14][15]

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,765913,00.html

Milestones, Aug. 11, 1941 - TIME

Died. William Rhodes Davis, 52, the oil world's "mystery man" of World War

https://apps.fastcase.com/Google/Start.aspx?C=6b5a8d4779629b0c5de8db9d38c9eef245000fa946fc3cc5&D=812a015ccabf68dea903043e5f71304b22716bb958dbb92e

219 N.Y.S.2d 533

31 Misc.2d 270

In re DAVIS' WILL.

Application for the Judicial Settlement of the Final Account

of Proceedings of James Lee KAUFFMAN, the Executor of the

Last Will and Testament of William Rhodes Davis, Deceased,

and for the Judicial Settlement of the First Intermediate...

...In form it appeared to be a common-law claim for work, labor and services performed for the decedent in Italy prior to his death on August 1, 1941....

...Page 534

James Lee Kauffman, New York City, executor, pro se; Vaughan & Lyons, by Jeremiah P. Lyons, New York City, of counsel.

Fink & Pavia, New York City, for Giovanni Antonelli; Lloyd I. Isler and Donald J. Siskind, New York City, of counsel.

Bleakley, Platt, Hart & Fritz, New York City, for Joseph Graham Davis and Currie Boyd Davis;...

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=joseph+graham+davis+and+currie+boyd+davis&sugg=d&hl=en&um=1&sa=N&cid=8337948860744136

MISS DORIS J. MEYER IS WED IN GREENWICH; Bishop Mdntire Officiates...

$3.95 - New York Times - Nov 30, 1941

... to Joseph Graham Davis, son of Mrs. Paul C. Matthews of Bronxville, N. Y., ... Currie Boyd Davis, brother of the bridegroom, was best man. ...

http://www.google.com/search?q=Bryant%2C+to+Currie+Boyd+Davis%2C+son+of+Mrs.+Paul+G.+Matthews+of+Greenwich%2C+Conn..+and+the+late+William+Rhodes+Davis.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a#q=Bryant,+to+Currie+Boyd+Davis,+son+of+Mrs.+Paul+G.+Matthews+of+Greenwich,+Conn+late+William+Rhodes+Davis.&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=MOM&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&tbm=nws&source=lnt&tbs=ar:1&sa=X&ei=vwXbTd3vMoTy0gHn-8nXDw&ved=0CCEQpwUoBQ&fp=7bf7fcd410c52cc2

BARBARA BRYANT'S TROTH; BronxviMe Girl Will Be Married to Currie ...

Miss Barbara Gay Bryant, to Currie Boyd Davis, son of Mrs. Paul G. Matthews of Greenwich, Conn.. and the late William Rhodes Davis. ...June 29, 1947

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&q=%22Doris+Jane+Davis+Is+Future+Bride+Of+George+Ross%22&cf=all

Doris Jane Davis Is Future Bride Of George Ross

$3.95 - New York Times - Jan 14, 1968

I HARRISON, NY, Jan. 13-tMr. and Mrs. A,'mand M. Moreli] have announced the engage-I !merit of Mrs. Morell's daugh:ter, Miss Doris Jane Davis, ...

http://news.google.com/archivesearch?q=%22Doris+Jane+Davis+Is+Future+Bride+Of+George+Ross%22+matthews&btnG=Search+Archives&ned=us&hl=en&scoring=a

Doris Jane Davis Is Future Bride Of George Ross

$3.95 - New York Times - Jan 14, 1968

Miss Davis is a granddaughter of Mrs. Paul C. Matthews of Greenwich, Conn., and Delray Beach, Fla,, and the late William Rhodes Davis and the late Mrs. ..

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E00E7DB153AF93BA35753C1A9609C8B63

MORELL, DORIS MEYER

Published: October 8, 2006

MORELL--Doris Meyer of Juno Beach, FL died on October 1, 2006 after a long battle with lung cancer. Daughter of the late Anne & George H. Meyer, she was born in Buffalo, NY on June 2, 1923. She graduated from the Convent Of the Sacred Heart 91st St. NYC cum laude and attended Marymount College in Tarrytown, NY. She is survived by her loving husband Armand M. Morell and devoted children; Joseph G. ''Gray'' Davis, Jr. and his wife Sharon; Doris Davis Ross and her husband George Ross; Anne Davis Pinkham and her husband Richard; William R. Davis and his wife Jenny; Barry M. Davis and his wife Caroline....

http://articles.latimes.com/2006/oct/04/local/me-morell4

Doris Meyer Morell, 83; Mother of Gray Davis Helped in His Campaigns

Obituaries October 04, 2006...

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=13975&view=findpost&p=161918

This reveiw alone would make me want to read the book:

President George H.W. Bush: "I have read every word of Make It Happen and got an enormous kick out of it."

Peter, Rove's "reaction" to Sam Pryor III's new book is even more priceless....the question is, how ... stoopid do GHW Bush, Karl Rove, and Sam Pryor III, think we are?

http://samuelpryor.com/Home_Page.html

Karl C. Rove: If anything, Make it Happen underplays Sam Pryor's role in the 1940 Republican Convention and nomination of Wendell Willkie. Pryor was the pivot on what so much turned in those quick and important months.

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http://books.google.com/books?ei=bADbTf3tFaTA0AGLvcjnDw&ct=result&id=DVhCAAAAIAAJ&dq=PARMET+%22*An+offer+of+such+dimensions+was+enough+to+induce+Willkie%27s%22&q=%22up+to+a+million+dollars+to+that+cause.+An+offer+of+such+dimensions+was+enough+to+induce+Willkie%27s+friend+to+use+his+private+airplane+to+fly+Davis%22#search_anchor

Never again; a president runs for a third term

Herbert S. Parmet, Marie B. Hecht - 1968 - 306 pages - Snippet view

...At Davis' home in Bronxville, New York, Pryor was told that the oilman was out to defeat Roosevelt and was ready to contribute up to a million dollars to that cause.

An offer of such dimensions was enough to induce Willkie's friend to use his private airplane to fly Davis to meet with Willkie, who was then in Rushville. Willkie, who had never heard of Davis and asked no questions about his

http://books.google.com/books?q=pryor%20rhodes%20marquis%20childs%20&hl=en&um=1&ie=UTF-8&as_ldate=1940&as_hdate=1961&sa=N&tab=np

Wendell Willkie: Fighter for Freedom‎ - Page 559

Ellsworth Barnard - Biography & Autobiography - 1971 - 628 pages

Marquis Childs has told the story (7 Write from Washington, pp. ... Willkie told Marquis Childs that had never heard of Davis before Sam Pryor told him of the oil man's willingness to pay .

http://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&tbo=1&q=%E2%80%9Canti-nazi.+however%2C+publicizing+davis%27s*%22&btnG=Search+Books#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbo=1&tbm=bks&source=hp&q=%E2%80%9CDavis%27s+connections+to+Willkie+would+no+doubt+have+brought+*%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=8e6b03c96c4826f6

Mystery man: William Rhodes Davis, Nazi agent of influence

Dale Harrington - 1999 - 276 pages - Snippet view

82 The White House was aware of who paid for Lewis's broadcast almost immediately, but chose not to publicize the information until after the election.

This behavior at first seems odd because Roosevelt could have exploited the connection to Davis and ruined Willkie's reputation as an anti-Nazi.

However, publicizing Davis's connections to Willkie would no doubt have brought Roosevelt's own connections to Davis under public scrutiny. Roosevelt, believing he would probably win without mentioning Davis, deemed it best not to create unnecessary complications.83 With a Davis staffer, Arthur Hobson, on hand to take care of last- minute details, Lewis spoke to the nation...

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,777186,00.html

THE ADMINISTRATION: Out of Turn

Monday, Nov. 04, 1946

.....Rogge traced out the oft-told tale of the late oilman William R. Davis, who, inspired by the German Government, had tried to mediate World War II back in 1940. He also mentioned John L. Lewis, Senator Burton K. Wheeler and other touchy names in the same breath with Nazi bigwigs.

To the familiar Davis story Rogge added the authority of months spent in Germany this year, poring over Nazi records. Upon his return Rogge had turned over a report to Attorney General Tom Clark with the expectation that it would be published. Instead, Clark had kept it in the files.

After Rogge's Swarthmore speech Pennsylvania Republicans gleefully recalled that pro-German Bill Davis once had connections with another prominent politico: Senator Joe Guffey, facing defeat Nov. 5.

Indignantly Tom Clark charged Rogge with willfully violating Justice Department rules by making a speech based on the quashed report. Then he fired him.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22%22a+few+minutes+later+hitler+walked+in%22&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aunofficial&tbm=bks&source=hp&q=%22a+few+minutes+later+hitler+walked+in*%22&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=&pbx=1&fp=8e6b03c96c4826f6

The official German report: Nazi penetration, 1924-1942

Oetje John Rogge - 1961

http://books.google.com/books?id=_40hAQAAIAAJ&q=%22warships+would+subsequently+be+despatched%22&dq=%22warships+would+subsequently+be+despatched%22&hl=en&ei=Yv_aTcf-NOLj0gHQyv3yDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCwQ6AEwAA

The Price of Admiralty: 25 August 1939-23 August 1940

J. W. M. Chapman - 1982

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9406E6D61231F933A05751C1A9679C8B63

THE LIVES THEY LIVED: ANNE MORROW LINDBERGH, B. 1906; The Heroine

.....Then, in an anguished attempt to reconcile her husband's politics with her Smith College humanism, she made a terrible mistake: ''The Wave of the Future.'' In less than 100 pages of murky and illogical prose she tells the world that we must let Fascism take its course and learn to live with it, if necessary. In other words, do what she did. Submit.

The book's negative reception pained and humiliated her. She was considered as bad as her husband -- anti-Semitic, egomaniacal, a tool of the Nazis. What made the situation so much worse was that she didn't believe what she had written. She had done it all for Charles. Well, she never would again. ..

Charles Lindbergh Discussion Center: Why was Anne not buried with ...

http://www.google.com/search?q=hana+lindbergh+pryor&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:unofficial&client=firefox-a

Hawaii: The Road to Hana

In 1974, when Mr. Lindbergh was dying of cancer, he returned from treatment in New York to die in Hana. He and Mr. Pryor are buried yards apart in simple ...

http://www.worldandi.com/subscribers/feature_detail.asp?num=26043

http://www.wjcash.org/WJCash6/Charlotte.News.Articles/1-10-41a.htm

A Buyer by WJ Cash

His Mexican Activities Call for an Inquiry

Mr. William Rhodes Davis bitterly and loudly demanded an investigation by the Wheeler Committee when Senator Josh Lee impugned his patriotism in connection with the claims of Davis and Verne Marshall that Davis had brought an agenda for a "just and honorable peace" from the Nazis to Washington--only to be spurned by Roosevelt.

But Davis is in for having his patriotism questioned by people of heavier calibre than Josh Lee if the inferences in a special cable to the New York Times from its correspondent, Arnaldo Cortesi, in Mexico City are borne out.

Cortesi reports that Davis is expected in Mexico shortly to negotiate for control of mines yielding such essential war metals as mercury, tungsten, and molybdenum. And he quotes one informant as saying that Davis has been in the Mexican market for one ton of mercury--a vast amount--per week. And goes on:

The ultimate destination of the metals that Mr. Davis is said to be in the market for is unknown, but it is no secret that in recent months considerable quantities of war materials have been finding their way to Germany via Manzanillo (Mexico) and Vladivostok (Russia) in Japanese vessels and thence by Trans-Siberian Railroad. The traffic has been especially heavy in mercury...

This is not proved on Davis, mind you. And until it is, he is entitled to the benefit of the doubt. But the matter is obviously so serious that it deserves to be investigated thoroughly, and by somebody who is not the bitter-end isolationist Burton Wheeler is. There is only one possible word which could be used to describe any American who would sell the Nazis essential war materials now, with the national policy of this country and our relations with the Nazis what they are. That word is the antithesis of patriotism.

http://www.wjcash.org/Elkcash/W.J.Cash.P.1/Picture_gallery_page3_1941.html

....The fact that on the last evening of his life Cash suddenly and secretly fled the Geneve within an hour after checking in and then obtained a room at La Reforma thus does not fit at all Cash's lifelong parsimony--resulting for instance in an angry reaction from Cash when Mary bought an extra copy of the New Orleans Picayune for a dime during the trip to Mexico.

Subsequent history shows that the Reforma was a favorite hostel for Nazi agents in Mexico City, notably Hermann Goering protege and one of the the Nazi's top experts on Latin American economic penetration, Joachim Hertslet of the Reich Foreign Economics Ministry, and his associate and Texas-Louisiana millionaire and Nazi oil supplier, William Rhodes Davis, Abwehr agent number C-80.

http://books.google.com/books?id=VBJnAAAAMAAJ&q=Davis+and+Marshall+stayed+two+days&dq=Davis+and+Marshall+stayed+two+days&pgis=1

Mystery Man: William Rhodes Davis, Nazi Agent of Influence‎ - Page 166

by Dale Harrington - History - 1999 - 276 pages

"...The trip supposedly was purely for pleasure, as Willkie said to reporters, "I am

not even going to talk politics."1 ' Despite this declaration, on December 11, Sam Pryor,

Willkie's former campaign manager, invited Davis to Hobe Sound to meet with Willkie.

Accompanied by Marshall, Davis went to Florida to persuade Willkie to oppose

President Roosevelt's aid-to-Britain policy.

According to Willkie, Davis and Marshall were only two of at least fifty people

who argued with him on the war issue.12 Davis and Marshall stayed two days...

There was a long procession of persons, including some of ...

to see Willkie during his vacation stay in Florida. These emissaries tried

to convince him that there was still political capital to be made out of..."

Monday, Jan. 06, 1941

".... Organized hastily three weeks ago in Iowa was a new isolationist group (No Foreign War Committee) headed by Verne

Marshall, editor of the Cedar Rapids Gazette, a dark, hard-bitten veteran of World War I and of numerous local crusades. (In 1936 Marshall and his Gazette managed to have 31 Iowa State officials indicted, and the Gazette was awarded a Pulitzer Prize for "most meritorious service to the community." Same day the Iowa Supreme Court dismissed the indictments on technical grounds.) Marshall moved to Manhattan, took luxurious headquarters (recently Willkie's) for his committee, at once paid $41,000 for full-page advertisements in 60 papers in 51 cities, asking for money to fight interventionists. Another ad was set for this week in 79 papers in 57 cities.

Marshall, who once described himself as a "rabble-rouser" of the first World War, planned a St. Louis mass meeting soon after Jan. 1, to be addressed by Colonel Lindbergh. ...."

Verne Marshall: A Sketch Of Head Of 'No War' Group

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Pay-Per-View - The Sun - Jan 5, 1941

... intentions of the Nazis as revealed in the now-famous "Davis offer. ... to the American Government in 1939 by WR Davis, millionaire oil operator, ...

More Light On WR Davis' Nazi Deals

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Pay-Per-View - The Sun - Jan 5, 1941

[Washington Bureau of The Sun] Washington, Jan. 4 -- Further .was obtained here today on the tions oi William Rodes Davis, New York oil man and backer the ...

No Knowledge, Nazis Say

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$3.95 - New York Times - Jan 1, 1941

... plan said to have been ini- by I-Iermann Wil-! helm Goering and brought to the United States in October, 1939, by l WR Davis, New York oil opera-i tor. ...

TOKYO-MEXICO DEAL TO AID AXIS REVEALED‎ - The Sun (Pay-Per-View)

Edited May 24, 2011 by Tom Scully

[Kathleen Collins]

In light of JFK's big alliance with NASA's NAZIs to push the space program into high gear to compete with the Russians for space, there appears to be an issue. Russia certainly has a good number of old German rocket scientists helping them. We find around Nov. 12, 1963 that JFK was going to sell Russia and the US to work together on space programs and use that for Peace making with the Soviets and the US, using the common issues of space and ole German rocket scientists as the venue.

That would make Israel very unhappy. Ben Gurion quit and took up farming over the battle with JFK. JFK wanted to have zero impression anyone was helping set up Nukes so close to Russia after the deal to yank the Jupiter Missiles out of Turkey. Israel having nukes would make a huge deal similar to Turkey's nuke rockets.

And in the end game with JFK, with JFK dead, it appears the Joint Chief's LeMay grand plan to make war with Russia was changed to war with Vietnam to fuel to the Mil / Ind Network's need for a war to make their defense system strong and funded. There are lots of Jewish folks in Russia, which Israel wants to being to Israel. Perhaps there is more to the story, as LBJ took the Zionist stance. Russia's Jewish were preseved and Israel got the bomb.

The greater need for that time was peace with Russia and not bombs for Israel, a US Ally. Kruchev would have had a shoe pounding fit over that and aimed Russian nukes at Israel. It was a catch 22. Perhaps one that helped to kill JFK on November 22, 1963.

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If one played out the scenerio at the time. If LeMay and Lemnitzer were allowed to attack Cuba under the fake up "Operation Northwoods", it might have told Russia that the Cubans attacked first and they might not do nothing.

But, the greater intelligence says that Russia had a significant troop presence in Cuba and even many tactical nukes. If LeMay attacked Cuba with a US military force there would have been a nuclear counter attack. Russia would become involved.

LeMay would send the bombers and missles toward Russia, Russia would fire on the US and its ally building bombs at Dimona. And Israel would be history.

This is what angers me about Gore Vidal. He claims that Kennedy was the worst President ever, because he came the closest to nuclear annihilation.

Kennedy's Joint Chiefs of Staff wanted nuclear war. Jack and his brother were isolated; no one agreed with them regarding the diplomacy he extended to Russia.

Gore Vidal, whom I hold in high regard, is wrong and should read Brothers by David Talbot.

Kathy C

[Jim Phelps]

Part of the problems is JFK inherited DDE's huge nuclear weapons run up from the JCS of that presidency and they carried over to JFK. JFK also inherited the Kill Castro games from Nixon as DDE's VP.

Then it was a matter of transitions with JFK trying to learn the ropes from DDE and Nixon's previous plans and sizing things up on where they wanted to go and how much they wanted to support things from the DDE time frame.

Under all the known issues, and using Peace as the highest solution, JFK did the very best anyone could have done.

But in terms of supporting the JCS issues on Cuba and expand to take on the Soviets while they were not well stocked with nukes, then he didn't do what they wanted.

Perhaps that is the Gore Vidal look at things, or he just didn't know the full set of issues because they have been sealed behind national security from the crooks we have in office hiding things.

[William Kelly]

How many threads are going to be started on this subject?

BK

[Jim Phelps]

I guess on the topic of JFK's assassination----there will be several a day from various folk's facets` of interest.

Per JFK and the NASA NAZIs for Russian Peace and the German NAZIs in Egypt, this one is the only one dedicated to the rocket scientist NAZI connections issue per Israel's involvement and what contacts they had to go around or over JFK.

The Rocket sScientists in Egypt association is significant enough, per the "Never Again" thesis, per the overall JFK issues of motives per the goals of Zionism, that it deserves a dedicated subject theme. The "cross purposes" of Rocket designers in Egypt Vs rocket designers in the US used to help make Soviet Cooperation was a huge issue, one that shaped the cold war for 50 years to come.

It draws in why Lemnitzer was moved to Europe. Why Israel did a pre-emptive strike on Egypt per the "Six Day War", how the Lemnitzer Northwoods plan was used against the US by the Israelis, how Lemnitzer got involved with that as Europe command, and why Johnson did nothing except make the cover up even more deeply concealed. The USS Liberty Spy ship was information / INTEL sharing with the Russians and leaks were going back to Egypt. Lots of Israeli war crime issues were likely being picked up against the Egyptians, as they killed lots of Egyptians after they were captured.

Israel's perception of Rockets in Egypt as offensive weapons kicked off a big succession of associated events associated with Never Again paranoia, which needs its own area of emphasis. It was a mini-version of the US and Russia over the Jupiter Missles, this one is over Egypt making rockets the Israelis considered designed to push the "Jews into the Mediterranean". JFK could work both, just not to the satisfaction of Ben Gurion's parnoia on Never Again, who resigned June 16, 1963 to cut the appearance that he/Israel was involved in what was to come, yet he had the high level connections to have eliminated the roadblock to the goal of Zionism.

http://www.jstor.org/pss/4284158

Ben Gurion New York affiliations, partition issues, Polish Origins.

http://www.answers.com/topic/david-ben-gurion

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Edited May 26, 2011 by Jim Phelps

[Len Colby]

It appears there was an issue of German Rocket scientists from Western Germany helping the Egyptians make rockets for defense. And even the issue of the Germans giving some nuclear sciences support

Your own source classified the missiles as offensive.

We find around Nov. 12, 1963 that JFK was going to sell Russia and the US to work together on space programs and use that for Peace making with the Soviets and the US, using the common issues of space and ole German rocket scientists as the venue.

That would make Israel very unhappy.

care to provide evidence in support of these claims?

[Jim Phelps]

Rather insightful CIA resource

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/hay-festival/8545417/Hay-Festival-2011-ex-CIA-man-claims-Barack-Obama-doesnt-have-a-clue.html

He added: ''The American relationship with Israel, in my mind, is a useless and unnecessary relationship.

''As long as we are playing a role we are the recruiting sergeant for the people that are going to kill us.''

Mr Scheuer, the former head of the CIA's Osama bin Laden unit said that the terrorist and organisations such as al-Qaeda were fighting a war against US imperialism rather than a war on western culture.

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All the Likely Suspects

"First they ignore you, then they attack you, then you win." Standard progression for exposing the real Crooks in the JFK assassination. Just look for the most attacked books and you find the truth, then you win.

All the likely suspects, well most all of them, for the marginally competent citizen's enlightenments:

http://www.rense.com/general89/isrole.htm

AT PERMINDEX

Clay Shaw - If New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison had been permitted to carry out an unimpeded investigation and prosecution of Shaw, a CIA contract operative and a former director of the International Trade Mart in New Orleans implicated in involvement with Lee Harvey Oswald, David Ferrie, Guy Banister and other figures central to the JFK assassination conspiracy, Garrison would have divined Shaw's connections - through a shadowy corporation known as Permindex - to not only the Israeli Mossad, but also the international crime syndicate of Israeli loyalist Meyer Lansky.

Louis M. Bloomfield - Based in Montreal, Bloomfield was a long-time intelligence operative and a front man for the powerful Bronfman family interests. The Bronfmans were not only key international backers of Israel but also long-time figures in the Lansky crime syndicate. Bloomfield, one of the foremost figures in the Israeli lobby in Canada and one of Israel's leading international operatives, not only served as the chief shareholder in the Permindex Corporation on whose board of directors Clay Shaw served, but also had intimate ties to American intelligence.

Tibor Rosenbaum - One of the "godfathers" of the state of Israel and the first director for finance and supply for Israel's intelligence agency, the Mossad, Rosenbaum was a prime financial angel behind the Permindex corporation. His Swiss banking concern, the Banque De Credit International, also served as the chief European money laundry or the global crime syndicate of Miami-based crime chief Meyer Lansky.

John King - A close business associate of Tibor Rosenbaum's protégé and sometime front man, Bernard Cornfeld, King showed up in New Orleans in the early stages of Jim Garrison's investigation-before Clay Shaw's name had come up-and sought to persuade Garrison (through a bribery attempt) to give up the inquiry. Fortunately he failed in his scheme.

THE MOSSAD CONNECTION

David Ben-Gurion - Prime Minister of Israel; resigned his post in disgust with JFK's stance toward Israel. in April of 1963; Said JFK's position threatened Israel's very survival.

Yitzhak Shamir - A long-time Mossad officer (based largely at the Mossad's chief European office in Paris), Shamir headed the Mossad's assassination squad at the time of the JFK assassination. A former French intelligence officer has charged that Shamir himself arranged the hiring of JFK's actual assassins through a close ally in French intelligence.

Menachem Begin - In 1963, Begin (later prime minister of Israel) was a roving Israeli diplomat; prior to JFK's assassination he was overheard conspiring with Meyer Lansky's California henchman, Mickey Cohen, in a conversation that suggested hostile intentions by Israel against the American president.

Luis Kutner - Although known largely as a "mob lawyer," (who was long and closely associated with Jack Ruby, a sometime-client) Kutner also doubled as an international intelligence operative and functioned as an advisor to an ad hoc pro-Israel lobby group in the United States.

A. L. Botnick - Head of the New Orleans office of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of B'nai B'rith, an intelligence and propaganda arm for Israel's Mossad; a close associate of New Orleans-based CIA contract operative Guy Banister who helped create Lee Harvey Oswald's preassassination profile as a "pro-Castro" agitator. Evidence suggests that Banister's manipulation of Oswald may have been carried out under the guise of an ADL "fact-finding" operation.

Arnon Milchan - Israel's biggest arms dealer, Milchan was "executive producer" (i.e. chief financial angel) of Oliver Stone's Hollywood fantasy about the JFK assassination-a fact which may explain Stone's aversion to exploring the Israeli connection to the affair.

Maurice Tempeisman - The international diamond merchant and Mossad operative who became the lover of Jacqueline Kennedy Onassis and used his connections to double-perhaps triple-her substantial fortune, thereby co-opting the Kennedy family forever.

THE CIA CONNECTION

Rudolph Hecht - An owner of the CIA-linked Standard Fruit concern, Hecht was a prominent figure in the New Orleans Jewish community and as chairman of the board of directors of the International Trade Mart was Permindex board member Clay Shaw's primary sponsor.

James Jesus Angleton - Angleton, the CIA's long-time chief of counterintelligence, was the CIA's primary high-level conspirator in the murder of President Kennedy and the subsequent cover-up. Angleton, who had been co-opted by and was totally loyal to the Israeli Mossad, played a major role in the effort to frame Lee Harvey Oswald. Final Judgment is the first JFK assassination study to delve into Angleton's role in the conspiracy.

David Atlee Phillips - A long-time high-level CIA official, Phillips was the CIA station chief in Mexico City at the time a strange effort was underway to implicate Lee Harvey Oswald as a Soviet KGB collaborator. If anyone in the CIA knew the truth about Oswald, it was Phillips. He confessed publicly that the story about Oswald being in Mexico City was not precisely what the CIA had long claimed.

E. Howard Hunt - Long-time CIA officer and liaison to the anti-Castro Cuban exiles. Testimony by ex-CIA contract operative Marita Lorenz placed Hunt in Dallas, Texas the day before the president's assassination. The full truth about Hunt's actual involvement in the affair may never be known, but there is no question that Hunt was deeply involved in the intrigue surrounding the president's murder. Evidence does indeed indicate that there was a conscious effort to frame Hunt for involvement in the crime.

Guy Banister -The former FBI agent-turned-CIA contract operative whose New Orleans office was a central point for international intrigue involving the CIA, the anti-Castro Cuban exiles and the anti-DeGaulle forces in the French Secret Army Organization (OAS). Under Banister's direction, Lee Harvey Oswald established a public profile for himself as a "pro-Castro" agitator in the streets of New Orleans.

David Ferrie - An enigmatic adventurer and CIA contract operative, Ferrie was closely involved with Lee Harvey Oswald during Oswald's stay in New Orleans in the summer of 1963, working alongside Oswald out of Banister's headquarters. The investigation of Ferrie by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison ultimately led to Garrison's discovery of Permindex board member Clay Shaw's ties to both Ferrie and Oswald.

Marita Lorenz - A former CIA contract operative, she testified under oath that one day prior to the assassination of President Kennedy she arrived in Dallas in an armed caravan of CIA-backed Cuban exiles who were met by not only Jack Ruby, who later killed Lee Harvey Oswald, but also CIA official E. Howard Hunt.

Guillermo & Ignacio Novo - Two brothers, veterans of the CIA-backed Cuban exile wars against Fidel Castro. According to Marita Lorenz, the Novo brothers were part of the armed caravan that arrived in Dallas one day before the assassination of President Kennedy. Many years after Dallas, the Novos were later convicted of participating in the murder of a Chilean dissident in collaboration with international adventurer Michael Townley who himself had ties to high-level figures implicated in the JFK conspiracy.

John Tower - In 1963 Tower was a newly-elected Republican U.S. Senator from Texas with close ties to the CIA. Shortly after the assassination he told associates of his own inside knowledge of the bizarre story of what really happened in Dealey Plaza. The story told by Tower suggests strongly that there were many unseen forces at work, manipulating many of the key players in the JFK assassination conspiracy. It was not until the release of Final Judgment that Tower's name was ever connected to the mystery surrounding the JFK assassination.

Victor Marchetti - A high-ranking CIA official who left the agency in disgust, Marchetti later made a career writing about the CIA. In a 1978 article he charged that the CIA was about to frame its long-time operative, E. Howard Hunt, with involvement in the JFK assassination. A libel suit resulting as a consequence of Marchetti's article resulted in a climactic finding by a jury that the CIA had been involved in the assassination of the president.

Robin Moore - A journalist with long-standing close ties to the CIA, Moore co-authored former CIA man Hugh McDonald's book, LBJ and the JFK Conspiracy which promoted James Jesus Angleton's false claim that the KGB was behind the president's murder-another of the disinformation stories that emerged following the assassination.

THE LANSKY SYNDICATE

Meyer Lansky - Chief executive officer and de facto "treasurer" of the international crime syndicate; active in gun-running on behalf of the Israeli underground; collaborated closely with American intelligence on a number of fronts; later settled in Israel. Researchers who have claimed that "the Mafia Killed JFK" have pointedly refused to acknowledge Lansky's preeminent positioning in the underworld.

Carlos Marcello - The head of the Mafia in New Orleans, Marcello owed his status to Meyer Lansky who was his chief sponsor in the crime syndicate. Marcello could not have orchestrated the JFK assassination-as some suggest-without Lansky's explicit approval.

Seymour Weiss - Meyer Lansky's chief bagman and liaison with the political establishment in Louisiana, he later served as a director of the CIA-linked Standard Fruit company and may actually have been a high-ranking CIA contract operative in New Orleans at the time of the JFK assassination.

Sam Giancana - The Mafia boss of Chicago, Giancana was a player in the CIA-Mafia plots against Castro; later murdered, probably at the behest of Santo Trafficante, Jr. His family says that Giancana admitted having been involved in the planning of the JFK assassination.

Santo Trafficante, Jr. - Although best known as the head of the Mafia in Tampa, Trafficante actually functioned as Meyer Lansky's chief lieutenant in the crime syndicate and as Lansky's liaison with the CIA in the Castro assassination plots.

Johnny Rosselli - A roving "ambassador" for the Mafia, Rosselli was the primary conduit between the CIA and the mob in the plots against Fidel Castro; may have arranged the murder of Sam Giancana for Trafficante and was later murdered himself.

Mickey Cohen - Meyer Lansky's West Coast henchman; Jack Ruby's role model and a gun-runner for the Israeli underground, Cohen collaborated closely with Israeli diplomat Menachem Begin prior to the JFK assassination;. Cohen arranged for John F. Kennedy to meet actress Marilyn Monroe who was assigned the task of finding out JFK's private views and intentions toward Israel.

Jack Ruby - A long-time functionary for the Lansky syndicate, Ruby was the Lansky connection man in Dallas and also engaged in CIA-linked gunrunning to the anti-Castro Cuban exiles. Evidence suggests there is more to Ruby's sudden "death" than meets the eye.

Jim Braden - A veteran personal courier for Meyer Lansky, Braden was almost assuredly in contact in Dallas with Jack Ruby prior to the JFK assassination. He was briefly detained in Dealey Plaza minutes after the president's murder, but those JFK assassination researchers who have mentioned Braden prefer to cast him as a "Mafia" figure rather than as Lansky's man on the scene in Dallas.

Al Gruber - A henchman of Meyer Lansky's West Coast operative, Mickey Cohen, Gruber and Ruby spoke by telephone just shortly before Ruby killed Lee Harvey Oswald. It is believed that Gruber gave Ruby the contract on Oswald on behalf of his superiors.

THE FRENCH CONNECTION

Charles DeGaulle - Repeatedly targeted for assassination by Israeli-allied forces in French intelligence and in the Secret Army Organization (OAS) who were angry that DeGaulle had granted independence to Arab Algeria. The Mossad-sponsored Permindex operation that also had a hand in the murder of JFK, laundered money used in the assassination attempts on DeGaulle.

Georges deLannurien - High ranking official in the SDECE, the French intelligence agency; pinpointed by a former French intelligence officer as the individual who (at the best of Mossad assassinations chief Yitzhak Shamir) contracted the hit team who killed JFK in Dallas.

Michael Mertz - A former French SDECE officer and the Paris connection for the Lansky-Trafficante heroin syndicate; alleged to have been one of the actual gunmen in Dallas on November 22, 1963. Said by some to be the legendary CIA contract killer, QJ/WIN.

Jean Soutre - A liaison for the French OAS with the CIA's E. Howard Hunt, Soutre maintained contact with Guy Banister's CIA- and mob-linked gun-running headquarters in New Orleans. Soutre may have been in Dallas at the time of the JFK assassination. There is evidence linking Soutre to James Jesus Angleton's intrigue inside the CIA that affected French intelligence in a dramatic way.

Thomas Eli Davis III - A world-traveling mercenary with apparent links to both Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald, Davis was taken into custody by the Algerian government for his subversive activities alongside Israeli agents in supplying weapons to the French OAS just prior to the JFK assassination. It is said that CIA operative QJJWIN (possibly Michael Mertz, one of the reputed assassins of President Kennedy) helped secure Davis's release from prison.

Geoffrey Bocca - A former propagandist for the OAS, Bocca later co-authored former CIA contract agent Hugh McDonald's book, Appointment in Dallas, which pointed the blame for the JFK assassination away from those who were actually responsible-the first of two suspect books put out by McDonald.

Christian David - A French Corsican criminal associated with reputed JFK assassin Michael Mertz, David has claimed knowledge of a French hit team involved in the JFK assassination. David himself was the chief suspect in the murder of a Moroccan dissident, Mehdi Ben-Barka, whose killing was orchestrated by the Israeli Mossad through anti-DeGaulle forces in French intelligence.

TRUTH SEEKERS

Mark Lane - Retained by Lee Harvey Oswald's mother to represent her son's interests before the Warren Commission, Lane's book Rush to Judgment was the first major critique of the Warren Commission Report. In a libel suit filed against The Spotlight newspaper by former CIA operative E. Howard Hunt, Lane proved to the satisfaction of a jury that the CIA had indeed been involved in the JFK assassination. His best-selling book Plausible Denial outlined the circumstances of that libel suit and its ultimate conclusion.

Gary Wean - A former detective on the Hollywood beat of the Los Angeles Police Department, Wean discovered how Meyer Lansky's West Coast henchman, Mickey Cohen, was conspiring against John F. Kennedy on behalf of the Israelis. In a meeting with the former sheriff of Dallas County, Bill Decker, Wean learned a portion of the truth about what really happened in Dallas.

NEWS TWISTERS

Edgar & Edith Stern - Close friends of Clay Shaw, major financial backers of the pro-Israel Anti-Defamation League (ADL) of B'nai B'rith, and owners of the WDSU media empire in New Orleans that not only played a major role in giving vast publicity to Lee Harvey Oswald's preassassination profile as a "pro-Castro agitator" but later sought to undermine Jim Garrison's investigation of Clay Shaw.

Johann Rush - As a young WDSU cameraman, Rush was on the scene to record Oswald's "pro-Castro" activities. He emerged-many years later-as the brains behind a "computer-enhanced" version of the famous Zapruder film of the JFK assassination that author Gerald Posner cited as "proof' that Oswald acted alone in the president's murder.

Drew Pearson - Accused by his own mother-in-law of being a "mouthpiece" for the pro-Israel ADL, Pearson had close ties to not only the Israeli lobby, but also the CIA and to President Lyndon Johnson and his cronies. It was Pearson who floated an unlikely story that Fidel Castro was behind the JFK assassination and who also played a major influence in shaping Earl Warren's perceptions of the tragedy.

Jack Anderson - As protégé of Drew Pearson, Jack Anderson likewise had strange connections that might have biased his own reportage on the JFK affair. Since 1963 Anderson has promoted a number of conflicting versions about "who really killed JFK" ranging from "the Mafia" to Fidel Castro or a combination of both.

Jack Newfield - A liberal columnist and some-time JFK assassination buff, Newfield has been a likewise long-standing devotee of Israel. He made a big splash with a highly fantastic story that missing Teamster boss Jimmy Hoffa had "ordered" two Mafia figures to arrange the killing of President Kennedy. Not surprisingly, Newfield's ridiculous story was given wide play in the Establishment media.

THEORISTS AND/OR PROPAGANDISTS?

Oliver Stone - His Hollywood extravaganza, JFK, gave the public a fullblown, full-color, gory-in-every-detail conspiracy theory on the JFK assassination. Yet, Stone's presentation of the conspiracy was far from complete and failed to reach any firm conclusions. He deliberately suppressed the "French connection" which, in turn, was the long-hidden Israeli connection. Not only was Stone's chief financial backer Israel's leading arms dealer but also his film distribution company had its origins in the Lansky crime syndicate. What's more, one of the chief shareholders in the film company was none other than Bernard Cornfeld, long-time associate of Permindex figure Tibor Rosenbaum

Frank Mankiewicz - This former publicist for the Israeli Mossad-linked Anti-Defamation League had a peculiar part in the events that took place prior to the murder of Robert F. Kennedy. Then when Oliver Stone began promoting his film JFK, Mankiewicz popped up as his key public relations man.

Anthony Summers - Author of one book hinting that the Kennedy family were responsible for the death-maybe the murder-of actress Marilyn Monroe, Summers wrote another book on the JFK conspiracy. In neither book did Summers reveal explosive information (of which he was aware) that could have helped point the direction of those same forces which played a part in both crimes.

Robert Morrow - A former CIA contract operative who played a major role in activities on the periphery of the JFK assassination conspiracy, Morrow's book on his experiences is rife with detail, yet suspect in the eyes of many who had looked into his claims. Morrow's book absolves the key CIA conspirator, James J. Angleton, of involvement in the JFK conspiracy and portrays him as being "out of the loop" when, in fact, precisely the opposite was true. Is it a coincidence that Morrow's book publisher is an American affiliate of an Israeli publishing company?

G. Robert Blakey - An unlikely choice to serve as director of the House Select Committee on Assassinations, Blakey had, just two years previously, served as a character witness for a long-time close associate of crime boss Meyer Lansky. When it came time to point the blame in the JFK assassination, Blakey targeted Lansky's protégé, New Orleans Mafia boss, Carlos Marcello, but looked no further. Blakey, likewise, found no role by the CIA-or any other intelligence agency-in the JFK assassination.

David Scheim - The author of a book that pins the murder of President Kennedy on "the Mafia," Scheim refuses to acknowledge Permindex board member Clay Shaw's intelligence connections and paints Israeli loyalist Meyer Lansky as a low-level syndicate figure with no influence of substance. Scheim's book was published by the American front for an Israeli publishing company.

Richard Billings - A journalist with close ties to the CIA, Billings played a major role in the media's campaign to undermine New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison's investigation of Clay Shaw. Billings emerged as the prime promoter of the outlandish theory that Garrison was a Mafia front man trying to take the focus off the Mafia and direct the attention toward the intelligence community.

James DiEugenio - Although a deep admirer of both John F. Kennedy and New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison, DiEugenio has tread lightly when inquiring into the ties between Clay Shaw and the Permindex operation with its multiple links to the Israeli Mossad and the crime syndicate.

Peter Dale Scott - His years of in-depth research on the JFK assassination have led him directly to the doorstep of the CIA, the Mossad and the Lansky Crime Syndicate, yet he has never been prepared to name names or point in the direction of those very forces, preferring to sidestep the issue.

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This is pretty good list for the players in the JFK hit and cover up. He left off a few of the essentials like "George Mandel" aka "Mantello". But he gets "Bloomfield" and "Rosenbaum". These three are the "Godfathers" for Israel's very existance. They are the upper eschelon for the JFK hit, this was the JFK hit "High Command". This list leaves off "William King Harvey", as he is right in the middle of these three as US Rome CIA associations. But from this group you find the PERMINDEX and the BCI money laundry methods per Rome, the Diamonds and Drugs trading, and the Mossad supply line. The problem was all these old OSS connected types never really went away, like the old saying: "once in the company, always in the company." They were always working the intelligence system for some of their goals. They took a wrong turn when the goals became the killing of a US President that became America's National Hero.

Then we have to toss in Lucien Sarti and the Corsicans, as these High Command crooks wanted the ultimate in compartmentalization and killers that would not talk. That way nobody knew who order the hit, supplied the money, saw them in Dallas, or could connect them with CIA. The CIA is so full of leaks that no secrets are ever kept with them. The safe bet on kill operations is total disconnect from CIA and hire the Corsicans, which King Harvey liked.

IMHO, When these High Command types connected to Hungarian Benevolence kill the American President Kennedy all their good deeds went away, as they became Criminals against America. They plunged the US into a 30 year cold war that cost the US trillions of dollars to promote their Dirty Deeds cover ups. They became the ultimate Nemisis for American's Freedom, Peace and Prosperity. No one should be swayed from exposing these Crooks who used every trick in the book to evade detection, but the truth always has a way of appearing. And that Truth will set America Free from the Criminal Elements that wished it ill for nearly 50 years now. Americans will not longer be marginally competent on the subjust of the JFK assassination, as the one true story is coming forth from all the Chaos and Noise the Crooks used to conceal it.

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For the folks wanting to Learn the JFK issues, I have outlined some of the methods to make the study interesting. It is a rather complicated group and this method helps everyone to remember their many associations. It is just a study method that helps the issues to stick in folks minds, as they connect the dots.

One can look for the "Name Changers", as that always tends to find many of the issues associated. So, we not only find issues like Jack Ruby is Jacob Rubenstein, we also find the Rothchilds were Bauers of Germany. The list goes on and on, but the most interesting are Georges Mandel is Georgy Mandello, so he sounds Italian. But one can have fun looking for the others. The Name Changers really finds a lot of the players.

Another fun thing is chase down the Masons and "33rd Degree Masons" involved. So you find folks like Hoover, Ford, Russell, Earl Warren, George Mandella and lots more.

Another fun thing is chase down the "Gay Fellas" and you find all kinds of associations from Hoover and Tolson, to Clay Shaw, to Ferrie, to Cohen and the list gets interesting.

Then one can look for the Zionists involved and even find a high Rabbi and Jesuit connections to the central group. When you get that far, "The JFK Murder Mystery" is Solved.

These are just games for Internet Searches that help make the associations more memorable so everyone can connect the Dots for the JFK Conspiracy issues.

Some of your readings will turn up how an American Jewish person named Adolph Schwimmer started the Israeli Air Force and you'll find another godfather (Credit T.R.):

http://www.jpost.com/Features/InThespotlight/Article.aspx?id=224857

And some of the story isn't real pretty, but it shows how Israel's godfathers do business:

http://blockyourid.com/~gbpprorg/judicial-inc/is_raeli_American_Traitors.htm

Then for those seeking a little greater challenge for learning these issues become evident:

This little research project will take you into the world of exploitive business and the world of Opium trading that the Jewish Sassoon Family started to exploit China, then how this trade was supplemented with the addictive properties of Nicotine by Britain and Big Tobacco ran the drugs and tobacco into China. We'll show you how all that stemmed from Cuba, the Germans and the British.

The research project will help you connect the dots on not only drugs, but sugar and alcohol addition, sugar/cotton and slavery, sex trades and pornography, sugar and fluoridation, sex, glamor, and Hollywood Cinema. Soon you'll find how those that used the exploitation business plans propered more than others. You can see the effects of the Inquisitiions on these trades.

The research finds Hitler's Bible on the Nordic Races or Aerian Race:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madison_Grant

You can discover the term "Master Race" began with Slavery:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_race

And in the present day we have the quest for which was the greater quest in sciences for the Arian Rockets or the Jewish Nuclear Science? 1. That for Man in Space and World Peace. or 2. That of a fearsome Nuclear Bomb intent on an Earthy New World Order quest for power, control, and money.

IMHO, These are the tough questions for our plight as stewards of planet Earth. Obviously, JFK selected Peace over Nuclear Wars.

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http://www.stewwebb.com/bush_crime_family_quotes.htm'>http://www.stewwebb.com/bush_crime_family_quotes.htm

Bush Crime Family Quotes

The Legacy of the Bush-Millman-Clinton Crime Family:

A Vortex of Weapons, Narcotics, Frauds, Treason and Murders.

November 2006

http://www.stewwebb.com

A Benevolent Dictatorship is the Best Form of Government. Everything in Secret and above the law needs to be imperative.-- George H W Bush

Former U.S. President George H. W. Bush in 1988 said: New World Order is the consolidation of more power and money into tighter, fewer, righted, eliter, whiter, hands. NAZI Adolph Hitler first coined the phrase: New World Order.

Bush further stated in June 1992 to Sarah McClendon the Grandam of the Washington White House Press Corps when she asked Bush what will the people do if they ever find out the truth about Iraq-gate and Iran-Contra? George H W Bush Replied: Sarah, If the people were to ever find out what we have done, we would be chased down the streets and lynched.

Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we.--George W. Bush August 5, 2004

There's a government inside the government and I don't control it.-- President Bill Clinton

Are we to remain a nation convenient to our politicians? Are we to remain a nation that, according to Bush Goon Former Kansas Senator Bob Dole is "The Land of the Provincial and Home of the Naïve Thank God"?

Governments are only there for Us to Rob, Loot and Pillage.--President George H. W. Bush

The American People, The BUD People, The Broke Useless and Depressed. We are the MPBs, Money, Power and Brains. As long as we keep food on the BUDSTERS tables, a roof over their heads, a car in their driveway and gas in their gas tanks to go to and from work. We can keep the BUDSTERS at bay.--President George H. W. Bush

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With Osama Bin Laden after Oliver North and his drug trading business, and the extension of PERMINDEX being the WTC. OBL might have been trying to tell the US citizens something.

Edited June 21, 2011 by Jim Phelps