Thomas Graves Posted December 6, 2011 Author Share Posted December 6, 2011 (edited) http://educationforu...opic=18446&st=0 While I think there's probablya lot of good information in the DP photos taken before and after theassassination, and the Tan Jacket Man with the weird bald spot on his head -certainly is an interesting guy who we should be able to identify - and he seems young enough to be possibly still living, but I'm not convinced he's handinganything off here, though it does look suspicious. And thanks to Gerda Dunkel for posting the frames. http://www.iimmgg.co...5de760d5ce1a9de http://www.iimmgg.co...7b0f9461e69ce6a Such surreptitious- furtive handing off of something - something hot - is a trained and practiced intelligence craft that is routinely used in all covert operations in the field. A good example of it in action is featured in the Hollywood movie "Falcon and the Snowman," which is based on a true-to-life story and primarily takes place at the Cuban Embassyin Mexico City. Are these two men seen in other photos or film taken that day? BK Bill, There have been some possible sightings of both of them. Cancellare_7 for Blue Coated Cuban-Looking Guy and the Bell film for TJM walking across the grass on the south side of Elm Street. The Bronson film possibly shows TJM standing in the crowd on Houston Street(?) with his back to the camera as the limo passes by. I highly suggest people take a look at the thread Hughes Parking-Lot Man in Bell Film? (among others) on the JFK Assassination Forum. I wish I'd starting going to that forum a long time ago (in conjunction, of course, with the good old JFK Assassination Debate)! --Tommy Edited December 11, 2011 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted December 9, 2011 Author Share Posted December 9, 2011 (edited) http://educationforu...opic=18446&st=0 While I think there's probablya lot of good information in the DP photos taken before and after theassassination, and the Tan Jacket Man with the weird bald spot on his head -certainly is an interesting guy who we should be able to identify - and he seems young enough to be possibly still living, but I'm not convinced he's handinganything off here, though it does look suspicious. And thanks to Greda Dunkelfor posting the frames. http://www.iimmgg.co...5de760d5ce1a9de http://www.iimmgg.co...7b0f9461e69ce6a Such surreptitious- furtive handing off of something - something hot - is a trained and practiced intelligence craft that is routinely used in all covert operations in the field. A good example of it in action is featured in the Hollywood movie "Falcon and the Snowman," which is based on a true-to-life story and primarily takes place at the Cuban Embassyin Mexico City. Are these two men seen in other photos or film taken that day? BK There have been some possible?/probable? sightings of both of them, individually. Cancellare 7 for Blue Coated Cuban-Looking Guy and the Bell film for TJM walking across the grass on the south side of Elm Street. The Bronson film possibly shows TJM standing in the crowd on Houston Street(?) with his back to the camera as the limo passes by. I highly suggest people take a look at the thread Hughes Parking-Lot Man in Bell Film? (among others) on the JFK Assassination Forum. I wish I'd starting going to that forum a long time ago (in conjunction, of course, with the good old JFK Assassination Debate)! --Tommy Hey! Maybe Tan Jacket Man was a Charlie Siragusa QJ/WIN-chosen, William Harvey ZR/RIFLE... French Heroin Connection CORSICAN assassin! LOL? He looks Corsican to me. Edited December 9, 2011 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tom Scully Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 (When I see threads like this one and the interest they draw, I am tempted to pop some corn and sit back and watch the show. I think it is obvious I hope what I am working on will knock another leg out from under the credibility of the WC and the WCR. What I don't understand is the potential of what is going on in this thread. Is it just entertainment? Where could interest in this lead? Are the chances greater than 1 in 1 million that confirmation an object was handed off, what it was, and to whom (Cuban looking back of head, guy) it was handed, and how it is relevant, will happen?) I am brooding over this "stuff", it is lonely work, but it seems to hold potential. Forgive me for observing that my experience is that potential does not seem linked to intensity of interest of the research community. So, what does incite interest in the community? Howard Willens of the WC was the son of Joe Willens, next door neighbor of Tony Accardo. You had to be vetted by Tony, or crazy to move in next door to him, in 1958. One of Joe Willen's traveling companions to the Soviet Union, was Jerome Wexler. His house was around the corner, near Paul Ricca's. St. Luke's is a small parish, in a small town. : https://www.google.com/search?q=river+forest+st.+luke%27s+jerome+wexler&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=OdY&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&tbs=ar:1&tbm=nws&source=hp&q=joe+willems+jerome+wexler&psj=1&oq=joe+willems+jerome+wexler&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=7599l46948l0l49490l11l11l0l0l0l1l1678l5584l0.3.4.1.1.8-2l11l0&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=3fe416d8012ce8a4&biw=1024&bih=407 Chicago Builders Find Russians 50 Years Behind Times Chicago Tribune - May 29, 1956 ... partners with Jerry Wexler, another of the travelers, in 11 Homes. 3548 Nora av. The other two who made the trip are Joe Willems of Jo-Al Enterprises, . https://www.google.com/search?q=river+forest+daughter+jerome+wexler&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=river+forest+daughter+jerome+wexler&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=rKt&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=nws&prmd=imvnso&source=lnt&tbs=ar:1&sa=X&psj=1&ei=6MfiToSRKMKltwfm_qmDBQ&ved=0CA4QpwUoBQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=3fe416d8012ce8a4&biw=1024&bih=407 Wedding Bells Ring Four Times Chicago Tribune - Sep 17, 1961 Rosary college, college River Forest. Her hus- bond, the son of MIr. and Mrs. ... at the recent wedding of Miss Lois Barbara Wexler, daughter of Mr. and Mirs. Jerome Wexier, River For- est, and Robert Louis Loevy, son of Mr. and Mirs. ... https://www.google.com/search?q=river+forest+st+lukes+linda+lee+accardo&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=river+forest+st+lukes+linda+lee+accardo&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=thY&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=nws&prmd=imvnso&source=lnt&tbs=ar:1&sa=X&psj=1&ei=ecjiTsbCAoKItwfpvNXWBA&ved=0CA4QpwUoBQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=3fe416d8012ce8a4&biw=1024&bih=407 Accardos Daughter Weds . St. Joseph News-Press - Apr 28, 1961 Accardos Daughter Weds . Linda Lee Accardo, youngest daughter of Tony Accardo, leaves St. Luke's Roman Catholic Church in River Forest, as Mrs. Michael ... ['rime Syndicate Branches Out .Trace Missing Cars To... Windsor Star - May 30, 1961 Linda Lee Accardo, a strik — favored cusand Anthony tough Tony) Ac showed ... agency which became deeply in debt. new cars at the marriage in River Forest. ... https://www.google.com/search?q=river+forest+st.+luke%27s+o%27doherty&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#q=river+forest+st.+luke%27s+o%27doherty&hl=en&safe=off&client=firefox-a&hs=CuD&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&tbm=nws&prmd=imvns&source=lnt&tbs=ar:1&sa=X&psj=1&ei=ccbiTtCGL8q9tgeb2eX9BA&ved=0CA4QpwUoBQ&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=3fe416d8012ce8a4&biw=1024&bih=407 Marriage Announcement 13 -- No Title Chicago Tribune - Apr 30, 1961 St. Luke Catholic church, River Forest, will be the for the October of Miss Barbara Ann O'Doherty, daugh- ter of Mr. and Mrs. John K. O'Doherty, . John K. O'Doherty's brother, Eugene: http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62264&relPageId=159 The FBI reported that O'Doherty's other brother, Vincent, was employed by Edward Hines Lumber Co. in River Forest from 1950 to 1953. Howard Willen's parents probably were customers.: RIVER FOREST HOME PROJECT TO START SOON Chicago Tribune - Jul 28, 1946 Jo-Al Enterprises, a partnership of Joseph R. and Helen Wlllens, and.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
William Kelly Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 Tom, who were the two callers in the document again? The guy from Columbus and the guy from Houston? Thanks, BK (When I see threads like this one and the interest they draw, I am tempted to pop some corn and sit back and watch the show. I think it is obvious I hope what I am working on will knock another leg out from under the credibility of the WC and the WCR. What I don't understand is the potential of what is going on in this thread. Is it just entertainment? Where could interest in this lead? Are the chances greater than 1 in 1 million that confirmation an object was handed off, what it was, and to whom (Cuban looking back of head, guy) it was handed, and how it is relevant, will happen?) I am brooding over this "stuff", it is lonely work, but it seems to hold potential. Forgive me for observing that my experience is that potential does not seem linked to intensity of interest of the research community. So, what does incite interest in the community? Howard Willens of the WC was the son of Joe Willens, next door neighbor of Tony Accardo. You had to be vetted by Tony, or crazy to move in next door to him, in 1958. One of Joe Willen's traveling companions to the Soviet Union, was Jerome Wexler. His house was around the corner, near Paul Ricca's. St. Luke's is a small parish, in a small town. : https://www.google.c...iw=1024&bih=407 Chicago Builders Find Russians 50 Years Behind Times Chicago Tribune - May 29, 1956 ... partners with Jerry Wexler, another of the travelers, in 11 Homes. 3548 Nora av. The other two who made the trip are Joe Willems of Jo-Al Enterprises, . https://www.google.c...iw=1024&bih=407 Wedding Bells Ring Four Times Chicago Tribune - Sep 17, 1961 Rosary college, college River Forest. Her hus- bond, the son of MIr. and Mrs. ... at the recent wedding of Miss Lois Barbara Wexler, daughter of Mr. and Mirs. Jerome Wexier, River For- est, and Robert Louis Loevy, son of Mr. and Mirs. ... https://www.google.c...iw=1024&bih=407 Accardos Daughter Weds . St. Joseph News-Press - Apr 28, 1961 Accardos Daughter Weds . Linda Lee Accardo, youngest daughter of Tony Accardo, leaves St. Luke's Roman Catholic Church in River Forest, as Mrs. Michael ... ['rime Syndicate Branches Out .Trace Missing Cars To... Windsor Star - May 30, 1961 Linda Lee Accardo, a strik — favored cusand Anthony tough Tony) Ac showed ... agency which became deeply in debt. new cars at the marriage in River Forest. ... https://www.google.c...iw=1024&bih=407 Marriage Announcement 13 -- No Title Chicago Tribune - Apr 30, 1961 St. Luke Catholic church, River Forest, will be the for the October of Miss Barbara Ann O'Doherty, daugh- ter of Mr. and Mrs. John K. O'Doherty, . John K. O'Doherty's brother, Eugene: http://www.maryferre...4&relPageId=159 The FBI reported that O'Doherty's other brother, Vincent, was employed by Edward Hines Lumber Co. in River Forest from 1950 to 1953. Howard Willen's parents probably were customers.: RIVER FOREST HOME PROJECT TO START SOON Chicago Tribune - Jul 28, 1946 Jo-Al Enterprises, a partnership of Joseph R. and Helen Wlllens, and.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted December 10, 2011 Author Share Posted December 10, 2011 (edited) (When I see threads like this one and the interest they draw, I am tempted to pop some corn and sit back and watch the show. [...] What I don't understand is the potential of what is going on in this thread. Is it just entertainment? Where could interest in this lead? [...] Tom, Sounds like a classic case of The Pot Calling The Kettle "black". LOL BTW, what does the bulk of your post have to do with the topic of this tread? Would one of the other moderators please redirect Mr Scully's post elsewhere? Thank you, --Tommy P.S. I think it's pretty obvious that a hand off did take place. Whether or not we will ever know what the hand off object was, or the identities of the two persons involved, lots of people seem to be involved in the choreographed "dance" taking place in the uncropped version of this part of the film (links to which I put in earlier posts on this thread). There's even a Rambler station wagon with its four headlights on in the background with a Long Coat approaching it. I think we need to take a closer look at not only Tan Jacket Man and Blue Coated Cuban-Looking Man, but also at "Long Coat Man" and all of the other people involved in "the dance" by trying to find them in other films and photos. Maybe that way we can establish their identities and other, possibly sinister, associations. Maybe we can even "exonerate" them! Kind of like a photographic version of "Namebase", or a photographic version of Tom Scully's "seven-degrees-of-separation" approach to documents, obituaries, wedding announcements, etc, but just a tad more "tangible". I guess you could call the putative hand off, at this point, "just" circumstantial evidence ... Edited December 10, 2011 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed LeDoux Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 (When I see threads like this one and the interest they draw, I am tempted to pop some corn and sit back and watch the show. I think it is obvious I hope what I am working on will knock another leg out from under the credibility of the WC and the WCR. What I don't understand is the potential of what is going on in this thread. Is it just entertainment? Where could interest in this lead? Are the chances greater than 1 in 1 million that confirmation an object was handed off, what it was, and to whom (Cuban looking back of head, guy) it was handed, Tom I think I broke my chair on this, luckily floor was there to break my fall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted December 10, 2011 Author Share Posted December 10, 2011 (edited) (When I see threads like this one and the interest they draw, I am tempted to pop some corn and sit back and watch the show. I think it is obvious I hope what I am working on will knock another leg out from under the credibility of the WC and the WCR. What I don't understand is the potential of what is going on in this thread. Is it just entertainment? Where could interest in this lead? Are the chances greater than 1 in 1 million that confirmation an object was handed off, what it was, and to whom (Cuban looking back of head, guy) it was handed, Tom I think I broke my chair on this, luckily floor was there to break my fall Funny! Edited December 10, 2011 by Thomas Graves Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Prior to the Long coat/ TJM/Signal, the IBM looking guy with glasses seems to be in more of a hurry to take his 2 friends In front of TJM I don't think the two are related. IMHO. Kathy C Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 Well, they're definitely not cousins. --Tommy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Fokes Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Prior to the Long coat/ TJM/Signal, the IBM looking guy with glasses seems to be in more of a hurry to take his 2 friends In front of TJM I don't think the two are related. IMHO. Kathy C Oh those guys! They look like Operation Phoenix guys Colby (William) and Milberg (Warren). Or maybe their cousins! Cheers PF Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Graves Posted December 11, 2011 Author Share Posted December 11, 2011 Prior to the Long coat/ TJM/Signal, the IBM looking guy with glasses seems to be in more of a hurry to take his 2 friends In front of TJM I don't think the two are related. IMHO. Kathy C Oh those guys! They look like Operation Phoenix guys Colby (William) and Milberg (Warren). Or maybe their cousins! Cheers PF FWIW, there were three of them walking in a tight group in the foreground. (Hey! Maybe they were "tight"!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Kingsbury Posted December 11, 2011 Share Posted December 11, 2011 Prior to the Long coat/ TJM/Signal, the IBM looking guy with glasses seems to be in more of a hurry to take his 2 friends In front of TJM I don't think the two are related. IMHO. Kathy C Oh those guys! They look like Operation Phoenix guys Colby (William) and Milberg (Warren). Or maybe their cousins! Cheers PF FWIW, there were three of them walking in a tight group in the foreground. (Hey! Maybe they were "tight"!) Perhaps they felt the need to go buy some shoes or take in a movie?. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed LeDoux Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Now that was funny!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andric Perez Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 How can you tell a man is "Cuban-looking" without even seeing his face? Why can't the man be Caucasian, or from a Latin-American country other than Cuba? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kathleen Collins Posted December 12, 2011 Share Posted December 12, 2011 Prior to the Long coat/ TJM/Signal, the IBM looking guy with glasses seems to be in more of a hurry to take his 2 friends In front of TJM I don't think the two are related. IMHO. Kathy C Oh those guys! They look like Operation Phoenix guys Colby (William) and Milberg (Warren). Or maybe their cousins! Cheers PF FWIW, there were three of them walking in a tight group in the foreground. (Hey! Maybe they were "tight"!) I meant that the IBM man and 2 friends aren't related to Tan Jacket Man and whatever he was up to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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