Len Colby Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Gee,subproject 45 and the Nation magazine,should be enough DATA even for you.(bottom) Subproject 45” does not to fit in to what you allege. The supposed 1982 Nation article does NOT turn up in searches of the magazine’s archive which “features” “Every article, editorial, letter, review, poem, and puzzle published since Volume I, Number 1 on July 6, 1865 - Full text of every issue searchable by word or phrase.” “C.I.A.: Carcinogen” – no results Carcinogen – no results 1972 – 1983 Beryllium – no results before 2000 Methylcholanthrene – no results http://www.thenation.com/archive http://www.thenation.com/search/apachesolr_search/methylcholanthrene Nor is there mention of the supposed article in the Google News Archive, by contrast there were about half a dozen hits for the 1988 article in the same magazine about the “George Bush of the CIA” memo. A cynical unempathetic secularist is unsympathetic to prayer. IMHO Atheism as a handicap to people skills/compassion. Here is some help, Video/Book. thanks my prayers to you Steven Gaal Christ is Lord This really isn’t the place for a theological discussion or one about biogenesis etc. I doubt anyone here buys your notion that theists are inherently better people than atheists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Gee,subproject 45 and the Nation magazine,should be enough DATA even for you.(bottom) Subproject 45” does not to fit in to what you allege. The supposed 1982 Nation article does NOT turn up in searches of the magazine’s archive which “features” “Every article, editorial, letter, review, poem, and puzzle published since Volume I, Number 1 on July 6, 1865 - Full text of every issue searchable by word or phrase.” “C.I.A.: Carcinogen” – no results Carcinogen – no results 1972 – 1983 Beryllium – no results before 2000 Methylcholanthrene – no results http://www.thenation.com/archive http://www.thenation.com/search/apachesolr_search/methylcholanthrene Nor is there mention of the supposed article in the Google News Archive, by contrast there were about half a dozen hits for the 1988 article in the same magazine about the “George Bush of the CIA” memo. A cynical unempathetic secularist is unsympathetic to prayer. IMHO Atheism as a handicap to people skills/compassion. Here is some help, Video/Book. thanks my prayers to you Steven Gaal Christ is Lord This really isn’t the place for a theological discussion or one about biogenesis etc. I doubt anyone here buys your notion that theists are inherently better people than atheists. ####################################### Greg Parker Super Member Group: Members Posts: 2,639 Joined: 28-May 04 Gender:Male Location:Australia Interests:Writing, research, music, fishing and sport Posted 26 November 2006 - 11:29 AM John Simkin, on Nov 25 2006, 04:05 PM, said: Alexander Litvinenko: the poison of power Zygmunt Dzieciolowski 20 - 11 - 2006 Their dream was a poison which would kill a man instantly but which could not be found in a corpse’s blood during the post-mortem examination. For years, the secret poison laboratory of the Soviet-era biologist Grigory M Mairanovski, founded on the orders of Lavrenti Beria in 1938, researched deadly substances. The moment came when Mairanovski and his team felt that, by deceiving even experienced medical experts, they had achieved their dream. It happened when German prisoners-of war who had been killed with Mairanovski’s poison were immediately transferred to the Sklifasovskii emergency clinic in the heart of Moscow. The Sklifasovskii medics were unable to find the poison - and concluded that the German POWs had in fact died of natural causes. The Mairanovski laboratory was closed in 1946 following the replacement of Lavrenti Beria by Vsevolod Merkulov as head of the NKVD. But poisons continued to be used intermittently throughout modern Soviet and post-Soviet history, indicating that the tradition of toxicological assassination was never completely abandoned. It is hard to believe that similar experiments were not taking place in the United States. John, indeed they were. All sub-projects under the banner of MKULTRA and its predecessor programs. What may be most relevant to the Ruby case was a CIA draft memo dated Feb 4, 1952 which surfaced during 1980 Select Committee on Intelligence Hearings. The memo discussed in part, human subjects and the use of Beryllium because of it's "extreme toxicity". THis memo was all about finding substances which would kill, leaving the victim appaearing to have suffered death by natural causes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 (edited) Gee,subproject 45 and the Nation magazine,should be enough DATA even for you.(bottom) Subproject 45 does not to fit in to what you allege. The supposed 1982 Nation article does NOT turn up in searches of the magazines archive which features Every article, editorial, letter, review, poem, and puzzle published since Volume I, Number 1 on July 6, 1865 - Full text of every issue searchable by word or phrase. C.I.A.: Carcinogen no results Carcinogen no results 1972 1983 Beryllium no results before 2000 Methylcholanthrene no results http://www.thenation.com/archive http://www.thenation.com/search/apachesolr_search/methylcholanthrene Nor is there mention of the supposed article in the Google News Archive, by contrast there were about half a dozen hits for the 1988 article in the same magazine about the George Bush of the CIA memo. A cynical unempathetic secularist is unsympathetic to prayer. IMHO Atheism as a handicap to people skills/compassion. Here is some help, Video/Book. thanks my prayers to you Steven Gaal Christ is Lord This really isnt the place for a theological discussion or one about biogenesis etc. I doubt anyone here buys your notion that theists are inherently better people than atheists. ########################################################## OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV I EMAIL THE NATION MAGAZINE. RESPONSE BELOW (CIA CANCER.....CASE CLOSED) -----------------------===========----------------------------------------- The Nation Customer Service <thenationcs@gmail.com> Friday, January 13, 2012 3:02 PM Steven Gaal Re: Was the info below in 1982 June 5 The Nation ??? Dear Mr. Gaal, The short answer is yes. The author of the article "C. I. A.: Carcinogen" is Martin A. Lee. If you need further assistance, please let me know. Best, Habiba Alcindor On Fri, Jan 13, 2012 at 11:56 AM, Steven Gaal wrote: Submitted on January 13, 2012 - 11:56am ET Submitted by anonymous user: [XX.XXX.XXX.XXX] Submitted values are: Full name: Steven Gaal Email address: XXXXXXXXXX Reason for Contact: Was the info below in 1982 June 5 The Nation ??? Message: June 5, 1982 The Nation C.I.A.: Carcinogen The multi-million-dollar project of the Central Intelligence Agency to develop and test psychotropic drugs has been known for some years now, but details of its bizarre intrigues are still trickling out. Documents recently pried loose by the Freedom of Information Act show that during the height of the cold war, the C.I.A. developed cancer-causing drugs to use in assassinating political opponents so. it would appear that they died from natural causes. A C.I.A. memorandum of February 4, 1952, reports on the carcinogenic properties of beryllium: "This is certainly the most toxic inorganic element and it produces a peculiar fibrotic tumor at the site of local application. The amount necessary to produce that tumors is a few micrograms." The document goes on to recommend a study on "the effect of inhaling small amounts of beryllium in the lungs, and other studies to evaluate the potentialities of beryllium as a covert weapon." The memorandum also reports that the C.I.A. had laboratory facilities for "any type of medical research involving physiologically active chemical compounds," and it assured C.I.A. doctors that "human subjects would be available for work that could be carried out as legitimate medical research." Another document, dated August 4, 1954, describes a drug called methylcholanthrene as "probably the most potent known carcinogen in the production of tumors of various types." The drug could be used as an "initiating agent" leading "to a palpable cancerous proliferation after an induction period during which the initiating agent may have been eliminated from the system." This cancer scheme was only one of hundreds pursued by the C.I.A. during its twenty-five-year effort to develop techniques to control human behavior. Some of the more sensational aspects of this program, such as the testing of LSD on unwitting American citizens, were investigated by Congress and reported by the press in the 1970s. In The Search for the Manchurian Candidate: The CIA & Mind Control, John Marks told of other C.I.A. experiments with sensory deprivation, sleep teaching, parapsychology, subliminal perception, electronic brain stimulation and similarly arcane methods of mind control. In addition to the cancer venture, newly, released documents also show how the C.I.A. used "anticancer" research as a cover for its behavior-alteration studies. In an experiment at Georgetown University, the agency tested anticancer drugs as knockout substances and incapacitating agents. One document indicates that a "pool of subjects" would be made available in order to evaluate "the cardiovascular and anti-carcinogenic effects of compounds." In this case, the pool of subjects consisted of terminal cancer patients who had no idea they were being used as guinea pigs in a C.I.A. drug project. Edited January 13, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Greg Parker Super Member Group: Members Posts: 2,639 Joined: 28-May 04 Gender:Male Location:Australia Interests:Writing, research, music, fishing and sport Posted 26 November 2006 - 11:29 AM John Simkin, on Nov 25 2006, 04:05 PM, said: Alexander Litvinenko: the poison of power Zygmunt Dzieciolowski 20 - 11 - 2006 Their dream was a poison which would kill a man instantly but which could not be found in a corpse’s blood during the post-mortem examination. For years, the secret poison laboratory of the Soviet-era biologist Grigory M Mairanovski, founded on the orders of Lavrenti Beria in 1938, researched deadly substances. The moment came when Mairanovski and his team felt that, by deceiving even experienced medical experts, they had achieved their dream. It happened when German prisoners-of war who had been killed with Mairanovski’s poison were immediately transferred to the Sklifasovskii emergency clinic in the heart of Moscow. The Sklifasovskii medics were unable to find the poison - and concluded that the German POWs had in fact died of natural causes. The Mairanovski laboratory was closed in 1946 following the replacement of Lavrenti Beria by Vsevolod Merkulov as head of the NKVD. But poisons continued to be used intermittently throughout modern Soviet and post-Soviet history, indicating that the tradition of toxicological assassination was never completely abandoned. It is hard to believe that similar experiments were not taking place in the United States. John, indeed they were. All sub-projects under the banner of MKULTRA and its predecessor programs. What may be most relevant to the Ruby case was a CIA draft memo dated Feb 4, 1952 which surfaced during 1980 Select Committee on Intelligence Hearings. The memo discussed in part, human subjects and the use of Beryllium because of it's "extreme toxicity". THis memo was all about finding substances which would kill, leaving the victim appaearing to have suffered death by natural causes. I like and respect Greg but at times he has misunderstood what he read and/or reached conclusions based on shaky evidence. He didn’t provide a citation and claimed the memo “surfaced during 1980 Select Committee on Intelligence Hearings” while the supposed Nation article said it was “pried loose by the Freedom of Information Act”. Your Nation link is dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) Greg Parker Super Member Group: Members Posts: 2,639 Joined: 28-May 04 Gender:Male Location:Australia Interests:Writing, research, music, fishing and sport Posted 26 November 2006 - 11:29 AM John Simkin, on Nov 25 2006, 04:05 PM, said: Alexander Litvinenko: the poison of power Zygmunt Dzieciolowski 20 - 11 - 2006 Their dream was a poison which would kill a man instantly but which could not be found in a corpse’s blood during the post-mortem examination. For years, the secret poison laboratory of the Soviet-era biologist Grigory M Mairanovski, founded on the orders of Lavrenti Beria in 1938, researched deadly substances. The moment came when Mairanovski and his team felt that, by deceiving even experienced medical experts, they had achieved their dream. It happened when German prisoners-of war who had been killed with Mairanovski’s poison were immediately transferred to the Sklifasovskii emergency clinic in the heart of Moscow. The Sklifasovskii medics were unable to find the poison - and concluded that the German POWs had in fact died of natural causes. The Mairanovski laboratory was closed in 1946 following the replacement of Lavrenti Beria by Vsevolod Merkulov as head of the NKVD. But poisons continued to be used intermittently throughout modern Soviet and post-Soviet history, indicating that the tradition of toxicological assassination was never completely abandoned. It is hard to believe that similar experiments were not taking place in the United States. John, indeed they were. All sub-projects under the banner of MKULTRA and its predecessor programs. What may be most relevant to the Ruby case was a CIA draft memo dated Feb 4, 1952 which surfaced during 1980 Select Committee on Intelligence Hearings. The memo discussed in part, human subjects and the use of Beryllium because of it's "extreme toxicity". THis memo was all about finding substances which would kill, leaving the victim appaearing to have suffered death by natural causes. I like and respect Greg but at times he has misunderstood what he read and/or reached conclusions based on shaky evidence. He didn’t provide a citation and claimed the memo “surfaced during 1980 Select Committee on Intelligence Hearings” while the supposed Nation article said it was “pried loose by the Freedom of Information Act”. Your Nation link is dead. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ========================================================o= "but (Greg Parker) at times he has misunderstood what he read and/or reached conclusions based on shaky evidence." END COLBY QUOTE Im sure your superior mind can help out Greg Parker. Look, why dont you contact The Nation and we will see how your superior mind really works. The Nation Customer Service thenationcs@gmail.com attention: Habiba Alcindor If (if) you get a different response than I did ,I'll acknowledge the 'superior' Colby mind. ....but if not ......well........But since you wont.... well.....I will acknowledge you are a servile genuflector to the establishment. Galatians 5:22-23 New International Version (NIV) 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. THANKS SG Edited January 14, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evan Burton Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 Claims of cold fusion still fail to impress: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/energy-smart/more-fizzer-than-fusion-so-dicks-not-energised-20120114-1q0fv.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pamela Brown Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 He has called George W Bush the devil and described Barack Obama as a clown. But Hugo Chávez's customary jabs at his neighbours to the north took an unusual turn this week, when the Venezuelan president suggested that Washington might be behind a wave of cancer among Latin American heads of state. "Would it be so strange that they've invented the technology to spread cancer and we won't know about it for 50 years?" Chávez pondered, one day after Argentina's president Cristina Fernández de Kirchner announced she had been diagnosed with thyroid cancer and would undergo surgery in January. Speaking on Wednesday during an end-of-year address to the armed forces, Chávez hinted that a spate of cancer among the region's leaders could be a US plot – although he conceded he had no proof and did not want to make "reckless" accusations. "I repeat: I am not accusing anyone. I am simply taking advantage of my freedom to reflect and air my opinions faced with some very strange and hard to explain goings-on," he said at the event, broadcast live on state television. Recent years have seen a series of leftwing Latin America leaders diagnosed with cancer including Brazil's current president, Dilma Rousseff, Paraguay's Fernando Lugo, and the former Brazilian leader Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva. In late June Chávez admitted he was also being treated for cancer, telling Venezuelans that doctors had removed "cancerous cells" from his body. "I don't know but … it is very odd than we have seen Lugo affected by cancer, Dilma when she was [presidential] candidate, me, going into an election year, not long ago Lula and now Cristina," Chávez said this week. "It is very hard to explain, even with the law of probabilities, what has been happening to some leaders in Latin America. It's at the very least strange, very strange," the Venezuelan president said, according to government radio Radio Nacional de Venezuela. Despite his lack of evidence Chávez hinted that other Latin American leaders should watch out – and recalled how US doctors could have infected 2,500 Guatemalans with STDs during the 1940s. "Evo take care of yourself. Correa, be careful. We just don't know," he said, referring to Bolivia's first indigenous president, Evo Morales, and Rafael Correa, the president of Ecuador. Chávez said he had received words of warning from Cuba's former leader Fidel Castro, reputedly the target of dozens of failed and often bizarre assassination plots including a fungus-infected diving suit and an exploding cigar. "Fidel always told me, 'Chávez take care. These people have developed technology. You are very careless. Take care what you eat, what they give you to eat … a little needle and they inject you with I don't know what,'" he said. While Venezuela's economy remains closely bound to the United States – the South American country exports more than 800,000 barrels of oil there each day – Chávez's colourful attacks on the Washington have been a regular fixture of his presidency. Apart from the regular insults hurled at its leaders, Chávez has also accused the US of plotting to invade his country and involvement in a 2002 coup attempt that briefly toppled him from power. In July this year Evo Morales floated a conspiracy theory of his own, suggesting the CIA might deliberately plant drugs on Bolivia's presidential plane in order to discredit his government. "Do you know what? I think they have to be preparing something," he said. "So much [so] that I'm afraid to go with our airplane to the United States." http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/dec/29/hugo-chavez-us-cancer-plot Curious. Jack Ruby said something similar. Of course, Judyth has been saying this all along... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Curious. Jack Ruby said something similar. Of course, Judyth has been saying this all along... Ruby was mentally ill claimed to be the victim of an anti-Semitic conspiracy, Baker is a pathological xxxx as has been shown repeatedly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 Greg Parker Super Member Group: Members Posts: 2,639 Joined: 28-May 04 Gender:Male Location:Australia Interests:Writing, research, music, fishing and sport Posted 26 November 2006 - 11:29 AM John Simkin, on Nov 25 2006, 04:05 PM, said: Alexander Litvinenko: the poison of power Zygmunt Dzieciolowski 20 - 11 - 2006 Their dream was a poison which would kill a man instantly but which could not be found in a corpse’s blood during the post-mortem examination. For years, the secret poison laboratory of the Soviet-era biologist Grigory M Mairanovski, founded on the orders of Lavrenti Beria in 1938, researched deadly substances. The moment came when Mairanovski and his team felt that, by deceiving even experienced medical experts, they had achieved their dream. It happened when German prisoners-of war who had been killed with Mairanovski’s poison were immediately transferred to the Sklifasovskii emergency clinic in the heart of Moscow. The Sklifasovskii medics were unable to find the poison - and concluded that the German POWs had in fact died of natural causes. The Mairanovski laboratory was closed in 1946 following the replacement of Lavrenti Beria by Vsevolod Merkulov as head of the NKVD. But poisons continued to be used intermittently throughout modern Soviet and post-Soviet history, indicating that the tradition of toxicological assassination was never completely abandoned. It is hard to believe that similar experiments were not taking place in the United States. John, indeed they were. All sub-projects under the banner of MKULTRA and its predecessor programs. What may be most relevant to the Ruby case was a CIA draft memo dated Feb 4, 1952 which surfaced during 1980 Select Committee on Intelligence Hearings. The memo discussed in part, human subjects and the use of Beryllium because of it's "extreme toxicity". THis memo was all about finding substances which would kill, leaving the victim appaearing to have suffered death by natural causes. I like and respect Greg but at times he has misunderstood what he read and/or reached conclusions based on shaky evidence. He didn’t provide a citation and claimed the memo “surfaced during 1980 Select Committee on Intelligence Hearings” while the supposed Nation article said it was “pried loose by the Freedom of Information Act”. Your Nation link is dead. XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX ========================================================o= "but (Greg Parker) at times he has misunderstood what he read and/or reached conclusions based on shaky evidence." END COLBY QUOTE Im sure your superior mind can help out Greg Parker. Look, why dont you contact The Nation and we will see how your superior mind really works. The Nation Customer Service thenationcs@gmail.com attention: Habiba Alcindor If (if) you get a different response than I did ,I'll acknowledge the 'superior' Colby mind LOL you obviously have some ego issues. Does being right or wrong on a particular point indicate that someone has a “superior” or ‘inferior’ mind? The obvious answer is, no. Add if it did what does that reveal about you, who has been shown to be wrong repeatedly? You even include a false claim in your signature. I don’t have a problem admitting when I’m wrong. Yes, Tom, Greg and you were correct, in the 50s at least, the CIA worked on such a drug and seems to have obtained some success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted January 15, 2012 Share Posted January 15, 2012 "but (Greg Parker) at times he has misunderstood what he read and/or reached conclusions based on shaky evidence." END COLBY QUOTE. Greg is misunderstanding evidence and you are understanding evidence. Greg cant think well in comparison to you......ego problem ??????? =================================================================================== "You even include a false claim in your signature" END COLBY QUOTE. Steve is thus false claimer in comparison to true claimer Colby..........ego problem ??? I know of no false claim in my signature...can you prove Ive made false claim,untruth ?? ============================================================================ Below to help you.- -------------------------oooooooooooooooo--------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UNMASKING HIDDEN PRIDE By Alfred H. Ells Hubris (pride) was the character flaw that caused many to fail in Greek mythology. In my counseling practice I have noticed that it is also the stumbling block for many ministers. The wisdom of Proverbs declares in verse 11:2 that "when pride comes, then comes dishonor," and in verse 16:18 "Pride goes before destruction. And a haughty spirit before stumbling." Remember the Biblical story of Nebuchadnezzar, the king, who was made to live and eat with the beasts of the field and wild donkeys because of his pride? Daniel 5:21 declares that he was "given grass to eat like cattle, and his body was drenched with the dew of heaven until he recognized that the Most High God is ruler over the realm of mankind and that He sets over it whomever He wishes." God truly places those in authority over His church as he sees fit and also removes whomever He chooses. Pride is probably the major reason for a lack of favor with God and therefore lack of success in ministry. It is also the major root issue in failure. As James 4:6 declares " . . . God is opposed to the proud, but gives grace to the humble." Though this failure principle is commonly known in ministry circles, few of us readily admit to having pride and still fewer seem to actively repent. Because pride can be very subtle in its manifestations, many do not know the telltale signs of pride. Consider the following characteristics of hidden pride and see if God reveals any indications of pride in your life. Be brave. Ask those who know you well if they see any of these characteristics in your life. SIGNS OF PRIDE 1. Insecurity. Research reveals clergy as one of the most insecure of all professional groups. Insecurity is the root of many unhealthy and ungodly behaviors. It provokes us to want the lavish praise and attention of others too much. Much of pride is motivated out of one’s unmet need for self-worth. Finding one’s identity and security in Christ is a must to avoid pride. 2. The need to be right. Ever encounter someone who has a hard time being wrong? This is a symptom of pride. The need to be right prevents one from appropriately evaluating issues as well as themselves (Galatians 6:3). A person who needs to be right has an exalted investment in himself or herself and thinks that he/she knows better than others. In religious circles, the need to be right is frequently manifested through always saying ‘God told me’ or ‘God showed me’. 3. Being argumentative. Individuals, who argue their point of view, especially to those in authority over them, are allowing pride to get the best of them. At the root of their argument is a belief that they are right and the other is wrong and that their will should prevail. It is appropriate to advocate for a point of view or position but not to do so in such a manner that you are more invested in your opinion than in arriving at a mutual understanding. 4. More invested in being heard than in hearing. When someone develops a pattern of needing others to listen to them rather than first hearing others, pride is motivating the need. The need to be heard is common among clergy who are insecure. Oftentimes, the individual does not feel loved or valued unless people "hear them out." In truth, this is often just an expression of insecurity and pride. 5. Anger. Anger is a self-justifying emotion. This means that the nature of anger is to prompt us to justify our position and blame another for the wrongdoing. Justification of self leads to denial of our own complicity or wrongdoing. The scripture warns that the "anger of man does not accomplish the righteousness of God." (James 1:20). An individual who is angry a lot is suffering from pride. 6. Irritability and impatience. Even though I am a counselor, it was only recently that I learned that the root of impatience in my life is anger and therefore pride. When we are unable to be patient with another and are irritated, it demonstrates a haughty view of self. We feel that our views, time or needs are more important than the other persons. This again is more an indication of our pride than someone else’s slow movement or imperfection. 7. Lack of submissive attitude. Submission is the voluntary placement of oneself under the influence, control or authority of another. When an individual pledges their submission to you or another, yet is critical or argumentative of that authority, then pride is the hidden issue. The test of humility and submission is being able to say ‘yes’, maintain a positive attitude and trust God, especially when the decision of your authority goes against your grain or better judgment. 8. Not easily corrected. Ever work or live with someone who won’t receive any negative or corrective feedback? This too is pride. Before he died, a pastor in the East Valley was noted for being easily entreated and able to receive corrective feedback from others. He would thank the person for the negative feedback and commit to pray about it, seek counsel and get back to the person with what conclusions he came to. He was a role model for many of us. 9. Receiving correction but not changing. I worked with a man who often would receive my correction and say thank you for the feedback, but would never change. This too is a form of pride. The individual was placating me and people-pleasing me, telling me what I wanted to hear but not really taking the feedback to heart. His insecurity and fear prevented him from truly changing. 10. Needing others to take your advice. Counselors, such as myself, easily fall into the trap of having to have others take their advice. Advice should always be offered without strings attached. If you find yourself resenting the fact that your advice is not followed, look deeper at the motivating issues in your life. 11. Needing to proclaim your title or degrees. A good friend of mine requires everyone to call him ‘pastor’, saying that he has deservedly earned the title. Demanding that others call you ‘doctor’ or ‘pastor’ or ‘bishop’ is usually a way of making you ‘one up’ and them ‘one down’. Once again, pride is fueling the requirement. 12. Being stubborn. Webster’s dictionary defines stubbornness as "unduly determined to exert one’s own will, not easily persuaded and difficult to handle or work, resistant." The root issue of stubbornness is willfulness, which is ‘I want what I want when I want it’. Another name for pride. 13. Comparisons and competition. 2 Corinthians 10:12 makes it clear that comparing oneself with others is unwise. Comparison is a form of competition. It is often overt. For example, emphasizing the size of one’s church, the number of converts, etc. However, it can also be the subtle sin of heart that inwardly grieves when another is more successful or rejoices when another pastor’s ministry enters hard times. The motive of heart is pride. This article was taken from the Counselor's Corner, Volume II, Issue 11, published by Counselor's Corner. Used With Permission. Alfred Ells is a senior therapist with New Life Clinic, a Christ-centered counseling and educational ministry. He is a gifted marriage and family counselor, seminar speaker and author of several best-selling books, including One Way Relationships, Released to Love and Family Love. Al has been counseling and consulting with churches, organizations and individuals for over twenty years. He earned his Masters of Counseling degree at Arizona State University. He founded "House of Hope Counseling"; assisted in the establishment of "Hope Community (Rapha-Hope)" in Scottsdale, a Christ -centered residential addictions treatment facility; "Remuda Ranch", a Christ centered program for women with anorexia or bulimia, located in Wickenburg, Arizona, and "Life Gate", a residential treatment facility for adolescents and their families. Al resides in Mesa, Arizona with his wife Susan. They have four children. E-mail Al at: clergycare@earthlink.net or write to: Alfred H. Ells, M.C., Counselor's Corner, 2855 East Brown Road, Suite 3, Mesa, Arizona 85213, U.S.A. Phone:(480) 325-9350. This article was taken from the Overcoming Life Digest (Jan/Feb 2000 Issue); Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 "but (Greg Parker) at times he has misunderstood what he read and/or reached conclusions based on shaky evidence." END COLBY QUOTE. Greg is misunderstanding evidence and you are understanding evidence. Greg cant think well in comparison to you......ego problem ??????? Uuuuh, you must’ve failed to notice I said "I like and respect Greg" and that this happens “at times”, no one is perfect. I’ve made such errors myself. In case you missed it I just admitted I was wrong. "You even include a false claim in your signature" END COLBY QUOTE. Steve is thus false claimer in comparison to true claimer Colby..........ego problem ???I know of no false claim in my signature...can you prove Ive made false claim,untruth ?? ‘Too eer iz humam’ in this respect you are perhaps the most human member of this forum. We’ve been over the “false claim in your signature" before, it is “At the trial the right wing media (smaller then)started attacking coroner Noguchi. They said he had had sex with dead Hollywood starlets ?!?” As I told you Noguchi “was called as prosecution witness not a defense one and Sirhan’s lawyers did not ask about him about the muzzle distance.” He didn’t say anything about this publicly till well after the trial. Thus "At the trial the right wing media" would have no reason to denigrate Noguchi. Google News searches not surprisingly turn up nothing of the sort. ============================================================================Below to help you.- -------------------------oooooooooooooooo--------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- UNMASKING HIDDEN PRIDE […] 2. The need to be right. Ever encounter someone who has a hard time being wrong? This is a symptom of pride. The need to be right prevents one from appropriately evaluating issues as well as themselves (Galatians 6:3). A person who needs to be right has an exalted investment in himself or herself and thinks that he/she knows better than others. In religious circles, the need to be right is frequently manifested through always saying ‘God told me’ or ‘God showed me’. Ironic that you direct this at me just after I admitted error. And speaking of “The need to be right… someone who has a hard time being wrong” when have YOU ever admitted you were wrong? And speaking of "saying ‘God told me’" you keep citing scripture. Research reveals clergy as one of the most insecure of all professional groups. Insecurity is the root of many unhealthy and ungodly behaviors. Hmmmm, aren’t you some sort of lay preacher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted January 16, 2012 Share Posted January 16, 2012 (edited) Yes , COLBY ="LOL" this person,"LOL" that person.....over twenty people or so over the years on this forum.....This, IMHO, is classical abusiveness. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Psychologist Jennifer Freyd writes: ...I have observed that actual abusers threaten, bully and make a nightmare for anyone who holds them accountable or asks them to change their abusive behavior. This attack, intended to chill and terrify, typically includes threats of law suits, overt and covert attacks on the whistle-blower's credibility, and so on. The attack will often take the form of focusing on ridiculing the person who attempts to hold the offender accountable. [...] [T]he offender rapidly creates the impression that the abuser is the wronged one, while the victim or concerned observer is the offender. Figure and ground are completely reversed. [...] The offender is on the offense and the person attempting to hold the offender accountable is put on the defense. .Freyd, J.J. (1997) Violations of power, adaptive blindness, and betrayal trauma theory. Feminism & Psychology, 7, 22–32 +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Gee,since I started my conspiracy travels because of RFK ,'ya think I dont know he was prosecution witness ??????' Gee pal years of study..... HOWEVER, HOWEVER to educate..... ========================== I was at the Ambassador before the RFK assassination, I really started my studies of CT after this.. I am very pro-Noguchi since he stated there are powder burns on RFK's neck/head area. The gun of Sirhan was never closer than 18 inches and the powder burns of Noguchi had to be made less (less) than six inches. Noguchi didnt change his mind. Sirhan's attorney didnt pick up on this....but the conspirators did. ...(the conspirators did ,cause-below happened).......then....... Some info on attack on him that is online. http://books.google.com/books?id=QZg6Ft_jvJ0C&lpg=PA75&ots=XkS37JJNp3&dq=hawaii%20%22Thomas%20Noguchi%22&pg=PA75#v=onepage&q=hawaii%20%22Thomas%20Noguchi%22&f=false ======================================== NOT ON LINE BELOW +++++++++++++++++++++++++ The big Right wing media Los Angeles circa late 1960's onward:Briem,Putnam,and LA Examiner. These three attacked Noguchi. Seems Los_Angeles_Herald-Examiner which is not online. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Herald-Examiner (archives at USC) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Putnam_(newsman) on TV program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Briem on radio program http://www.ibiblio.org/slanews/internet/archives.html (list USA newspapers on line,seems it not online) #############################################oooo#################################################### ======================================================================================== vvvvvvvv= Great profundity and depth in the Bible. =vvvvvvvv 1 Corinthians 13 1 If I speak in the tongues[a] of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2 If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3 If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast, but do not have love, I gain nothing. 4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. see also ( link http://www.tmclark.com/JP/biblereadings.html ) ----------------------------------------------oooooooovoooooooo-------------------------------------------------- 1 Corinthians 13 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia =================o====================== Chapter 13 of the First Epistle to the Corinthians, written by Paul the apostle[1] covers the subject of love, principally the love that Christians should have for everyone. In the original Greek, the word αγαπη agape is used throughout. This is translated into English as charity in the King James version; but the word love is preferred by most other translations, both earlier and more recent. ---------------------- Historical and literary context 1 Corinthians illuminates the early church's efforts to define itself, not only in terms of doctrine, but also allegiance to spiritual leaders such as Peter, Paul, Apollos and Jesus A significant portion of the preceding chapter (1 Corinthians 12:1-10) focuses on the issue of spiritual gifts, and there appear to have been interpersonal conflicts based upon the possession of such gifts, including speaking in tongues or prophecy. Paul tells his audience that they may have all the gifts of the Holy Spirit, but unless they first have love, these gifts mean nothing: 1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not love, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. 2 And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not love, I am nothing. 3 And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not love, it profiteth me nothing. (King James version with "charity" rendered as "love") Description of agape A description of agape forms a major passage in 1 Corinthians 13, running from verse 4 to the end. 4 Love suffereth long, and is kind; love envieth not; love vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, 5 Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; 6 Rejoiceth not in iniquity, but rejoiceth in the truth; 7 Beareth all things, believeth all things, hopeth all things, endureth all things. 8 Love never faileth: but whether there be prophecies, they shall fail; whether there be tongues, they shall cease; whether there be knowledge, it shall vanish away. 9 For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. 10 But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 11 When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things. 12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. 13 And now abideth faith, hope, love, these three; but the greatest of these is love. (King James version with "charity" rendered as "love") According to the author, agape: (verse 4) is long suffering (i.e. tolerant, patient) is kind is free of jealousy, envy and pride (verse 5) does not display unseemly behavior is unselfish is not touchy, fretful or resentful takes no account of the evil done to it [outwardly ignores a suffered wrong] (verse 6) hates evil is associated with honesty (verse 7) protects trusts [implying faith in God and trusting in righteousness] hopes perseveres (verse 8) triumphs (verse 13) is greater than either faith or hope "Through a glass, darkly" 1 Corinthians 13:12 contains the phrase βλεπομεν γαρ αρτι δι εσοπτρου εν αινιγματι (blepomen gar arti di esoptrou en ainigmati), which is rendered in the KJV as "For now we see through a glass, darkly." This passage has inspired the titles of many works. The word εσοπτρου ("esoptrou", from εσοπτροv, "esoptron") here translated glass is ambiguous, possibly referring to a mirror or a lens. Influenced by Strong's Concordance, many modern translations conclude that this word refers specifically to a mirror. Example English language translations include: Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror (New International Version) What we see now is like a dim image in a mirror (Good News Bible) Paul's usage is in keeping with rabbinic use of the term אספקלריה (aspaklaria), a borrowing from the Latin specularia. This has the same ambiguous meaning, although Adam Clarke concluded that it was a reference to specularibus lapidibus, clear polished stones used as lenses or windows. One way to preserve this ambiguity is to use the English cognate, speculum. Rabbi Judah ben Ilai (2nd century) was quoted as saying "All the prophets had a vision of God as He appeared through nine specula" while "Moses saw God through one speculum." The Babylonian Talmud states similarly "All the prophets gazed through a speculum that does not shine, while Moses our teacher gazed through a speculum that shines." Other notable passages There are two other passages from 1 Corinthians 13 which have been notably influential. Firstly, verse 11: "When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things" (KJV). U.S. President Barack Obama referenced verse 11 in his inaugural address to the nation on January 20, 2009. Secondly, verse 13, in praise of the Theological virtues: νυνι δε μενει πιστις ελπις αγαπη τα τρια ταυτα μειζων δε τουτων η αγαπη "And now faith, hope, and love abide, these three; and the greatest of these is love." (NRSV) British Prime Minister Tony Blair read 1 Corinthians 13 at the funeral of Diana, Princess of Wales in 1997 Edited January 18, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 Yes , COLBY ="LOL" this person,"LOL" that person.....over twenty people or so over the years on this forum.....This, IMHO, is classical abusiveness. So, what you counted? Isn’t that like the guy who counted strawberries in Mutiny on the Bounty? I want to see the list! Google turns up 5040 pages on this site with the term 3950 don’t have the keyword ‘colby’. It is frequently used on this and other forums I’ve heard anybody claim its use “is classical abusiveness”. Psychologist Jennifer Freyd writes:...I have observed that actual abusers threaten, bully and make a nightmare for anyone who holds them accountable or asks them to change their abusive behavior. This attack, intended to chill and terrify, typically includes threats of law suits, overt and covert attacks on the whistle-blower's credibility, and so on. The attack will often take the form of focusing on ridiculing the person who attempts to hold the offender accountable. [...] [T]he offender rapidly creates the impression that the abuser is the wronged one, while the victim or concerned observer is the offender. Figure and ground are completely reversed. [...] The offender is on the offense and the person attempting to hold the offender accountable is put on the defense. .Freyd, J.J. (1997) Violations of power, adaptive blindness, and betrayal trauma theory. Feminism & Psychology, 7, 22–32 LOL Let’s review YOUR abusive comments to/about me just on this thread: Post #7: “Mr. Colby's constant servile genuflection to the establishment is an an embarrassment to all free thinkers and true researchers of the truth” Post #20: “Gee ,whats in Colby's heart ?????????? Len you seem to never suprise me how small you are...............the sorrow & the pity.Pity for you Len. I will pray for you. Sg” Post #22: “A cynical unempathetic secularist is unsympathetic to prayer. IMHO Atheism as a handicap to people skills/compassion. Here is some help, Video/Book. - thanks my prayers to you Steven Gaal Christ is Lord” Post #27: Im sure your superior mind can help out Greg Parker. Look, why dont you contact The Nation and we will see how your superior mind really works. The Nation Customer Service thenationcs@gmail.com attention: Habiba Alcindor If (if) you get a different response than I did ,I'll acknowledge the 'superior' Colby mind. ....but if not ......well........But since you wont.... well.....I will acknowledge you are a servile genuflector to the establishment. Post #32: You post a long tract about “hubris” “to help” me thus insinuating I suffer from that “character flaw” “abusers threaten, bully” The person on this thread those terms most apply to is sitting right in front of your monitor. Gee,since I started my conspiracy travels because of RFK ,'ya think I dont know he was prosecution witness ??????' Gee pal years of study.....HOWEVER, HOWEVER to educate..... ========================== I was at the Ambassador before the RFK assassination, I really started my studies of CT after this.. I am very pro-Noguchi since he stated there are powder burns on RFK's neck/head area. Well jolly good for you! The gun of Sirhan was never closer than 18 inches and the powder burns of Noguchi had to be made less (less) than six inches. Noguchi didnt change his mind.Sirhan's attorney didnt pick up on this.... I more or less agree with the above but its not relevant to the topic at hand since he only brought this up after the trial. but the conspirators did. ...(the conspirators did ,cause-below happened).......then.......Some info on attack on him that is online. http://books.google....uchi%22&f=false Yes, that’s your fantasy, but the facts don’t bear you out. All that you link indicated was that he was fired March 16 1969 and reinstated July 31 of that year. It made no mention of press coverage or any sex scandals. The only indication it gave as to motive was that it led to “charges of racism”. Apparently he was fired of over administrate disputes. “In 1969 Noguchi was fired for going over the head of County Administrative Officer Lin Hollinger to get increased funding. After several months of heated debate he was reinstated at a Civil Service Commission hearing. Throughout the Seventies he waged an uphill battle to modernize his office and extend the range of its operations.” http://www.astralgia.com/webportfolio/omnimoment/archives/interviews/noguchi.html See also: http://books.google.com.br/books?id=QZg6Ft_jvJ0C&pg=PA270 The 2nd link is to the Noguchi entry in the same book you linked. Once again it made no mention of press coverage or any sex scandals. As with my link above it indicated he was fired “over budget conflicts and his priorities in running the department”. The closet it got to anything along the lines you allege is that a county executive (not the press) claimed, Dr. Noguchi was "in need of psychiatric care, stemming from apparent use of drugs" This contemporary pro Noguchi editorial in a Japanese-American paper made no mention of negative press coverage or any sexual accusations against him. Rather is cited favorable local coverage and mentioned the claim he took pills. It attributed his firing to a “personality conflict” and possible racism. http://www.discovernikkei.org/en/nikkeialbum/albums/492/slide/ . A Google News search for - "thomas noguchi" sex - 1968 to 1977 only returns 6 hits none of which are applicable http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&btnmeta_news_search=1&q=%22thomas+noguchi%22+sex+chimp&oq=%22thomas+noguchi%22+sex&aq=f&aqi=d1d-o1&aql=&gs_sm=s&gs_upl=189084l196247l0l198086l7l7l0l6l0l0l528l528l5-1l1l0#q=%22thomas+noguchi%22+sex&hl=en&gl=us&sa=X&ei=BOQUT6CVMNPWtwe0wK2BBg&ved=0CBIQpwUoBg&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1%2Ccd_min%3A1969%2Ccd_max%3A1975&tbm=nws&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.,cf.osb&fp=5b1b569a6c7114b4&biw=1366&bih=613 So sorry dude, what you allege never happened. Everyone’s memory is fallible but there is a reasonable explanation for yours seemingly being more so than others. http://www.utexas.edu/features/2011/05/02/dementia_obesity/ http://yourlife.usatoday.com/health/medical/story/2011/02/High-blood-pressure-obesity-linked-to-memory-loss-in-elderly/43212990/1 http://psychcentral.com/news/2009/08/26/obesity-tied-to-memory-loss/7983.html http://abcnews.go.com/Health/weight-loss-improves-memory-research-reveals/story?id=13383600 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Len Colby Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 I emailed Ms. Alcindor and she confirmed that the article appeared as stated and explained: Despite the claims on our website, not every article is included in the archive. In some cases, entire issues are missing as we were not able to find them in libraries or personal collections. In other cases, some of the over 70,000 articles, letters and poems published since 1865 were accidentally omitted from the online archive when the issues were digitalized. Most of the puzzles are missing, and last but not least, the search engine is not "powerful" and articles are not easily "searchable by word or phrase," which is why I don't have time to assist you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Gaal Posted January 18, 2012 Share Posted January 18, 2012 (edited) COLBY =Yes, that’s your fantasy, but the facts don’t...COLBY We’ve been over the “false claim in your signature" before END COLBY. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Well this is the history I remember. This is reminiscent of the work of Communist commissars,telling you what reality was. "We've been over",is that the ROYAL we or some judgemental pedantry on your part ?? Now not everything is on line as I STATED NOT ON LINE BELOW +++++++++++++++++++++++++ The big Right wing media Los Angeles circa late 1960's onward:Briem,Putnam,and LA Examiner. These three attacked Noguchi. Seems Los_Angeles_Herald-Examiner which is not online. http://en.wikipedia....Herald-Examiner (archives at USC) http://en.wikipedia....utnam_(newsman) on TV program http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Briem on radio program ---------------------------ooo------------------------- (((were the capital letters NOT ON LINE hard to read ?))) -------------------------------------------------------- IT WOULD BE GOOD OF YOU TO CONTACT Jim DiEugenio. Im sure he can confirm Briem,Putman,LA Examiner 'were' the right wing media of LA. LEN COLBY please be ......ALERTED....things can happen and there not online !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -------------------oooooooooooooooo------------------ of note As Sirhan Sirhan's former investigator Lynn Mangan found out, Coroner Thomas Noguchi turned a copy of this exhibit over to Robert Joling in 1969. This is when much pressure was being applied over his autopsy findings in the RFK case. O'Sullivan reveals that fact to the public here (p. 349).Shane O'Sullivan's book, entitled Who Killed Bobby? ------------------------------------------------------------------- =============Now you say it was an administrative dispute with Noguchi. Golly, you imply that there was a "C" (by agreement with 18 inch/6 inch bullet/gun discrepancy) But you dont think the firing was part of the (after) plot. FEB 22 Noguchi ends testimony/March 16th FIRED......Gee I think it is reasonable to conclude they are connected. This is important,were talking murder..not some COLBY/Gaal dispute. If one guy gets discredited to protect the plot..so be it. ================ ALERT !! LEN COLBY ...somethings are not online PART TWO Re: Nation/CIA/CANCER From: The Nation Customer Service <thenationcs@gmail.com> Date: Tue, Jan 17, 2012 at 11:33 AM Subject: Re: C. I. A.: Carcinogen article To: Hello-- I handle technical assistance for the Nation. Unfortunately, there is no one here on our small staff to answer research questions. Despite the claims on our website, not every article is included in the archive. In some cases, entire issues are missing as we were not able to find them in libraries or personal collections. In other cases, some of the over 70,000 articles, letters and poems published since 1865 were accidentally omitted from the online archive when the issues were digitalized. Most of the puzzles are missing, and last but not least, the search engine is not "powerful" and articles are not easily "searchable by word or phrase," which is why I don't have time to assist you. However, the author's name, the issue date and title of the article supplied by Steven Gaal are all correct. All of this information is a matter of public record. I believe Mr. Gaal even included the text of the article. If this is a matter of serious importance, you might try contacting the author of the piece who later cited this same article in the footnotes of his book. Since the article was written 30 years ago, I cannot provide contact information for him. We are planning to change the format of the archive to make articles easier to find. This update will probably take place in 2012. At that point, the article may prove easier to locate. Kind regards, Habiba Alcindor ++++++++++++++++ GOLLY,GOLLY...even if it says its online...it is'nt and ALERTING LEN COLBY......not everything "is" online.......So I'm in fantasy/false memory/not telling truth....and you wonder why I state you insult people on this forum.....WOW !! Edited January 19, 2012 by Steven Gaal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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