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  1. Nice post William Of course I read so many other posts attached that want to believe that this study is just another example of the conspirators ongoing coverup. For myself I have always felt that the backyard photos, in particular the two magazines Oswald is displayed holding, is consistant with Oswald's request to have Jonathon Abt act as his attorney. The two magazines were produced by two different organizations that were, to say the least, at odds with each other. The Warren Commission is quick to point this out and suggest that Oswald's understanding of the two organizations was an example of his lack of understanding of Communism and Socialism or political organizations and philosophy in general. Yet FBI Agent Hosty's testimony shows that the FBI in general and Hosty in particular knew that Oswald's understanding of Trotsky and his Socialist views were actually very strong. That the photos were taken just prior to the attempt on the life of Walker is also interesting in my mind. That Marina admited taking them seems to point toward authenticity from the begining. Toss in that Oswald did not want to admit to living in the place where the pictures were taken while in custody, yet we know that he did live there is alson, in my mind telling. Why would Oswald wish to deny that he lived in the place where the pictures were taken after he had seen the pictures while in custody? Then again he may have had good reason to want to deny them...... I do believe in a conspiracy and believe that I have some interesting leads on who was behind the assassination. Of course the people that I believe were behind the assassination were the same people who, during WWII, convinced the Germans that the Allied landings at Normandy were nothing more than a deception, and continued to convince many in Germany that those landings were a deception for weeks after the proof was clear that the Normandy landings were the real deal. It is very easy to convince people to believe what they want to believe weather it is the truth or not seems to be of no concern to those that are already convinced of their own "truth." As C. S. Lewis said, “In coming to understand anything we must reject the facts as they are for us in favor of the facts as they are.” Jim Root
  2. Within my theory of the assassination it would be important for any conspirators to be able to cover up any potentially damning information that could lead inquiring minds to those same conspirators. As I understand it Eugene V. Rostow, Dean of the Yale School of Law, was the first to suggest that the Federal Government take the lead in the investigation of the assination of John F. Kennedy. I also believe that the record shows that John J. McCloy played a very "strong" role in guiding that investigation. A quick glance at Eugene Rostow's career shows that the first position that he held as a lawyer was for the same firm that John J. McCloy was working for, Cravath, deGersdorff, Swaine and Wood. While a member of the Kennedy Administration John J. McCloy drafted a bill that led to the establishment of the US Arms Control and Disarmament Agency. As I understand it, in 1981, with a push from McCloy, President Ronald Reagan appointed Eugene Rostow director of the Arms Control and Disarmament Agency, making Rostow the highest-ranking Democrat in the Reagan administration. While Eugen Rostow and McCloy did differ over Japanese Internment during WWII, overall the Rostow brothers and McCloy seem to have had a very close (and long term) working relationship. It seems possible to me that having a distinguished person such as Eugene Rostow pushing for the creation of a "Warren" type commission could have been influenced by like minded persons such as John J. McCloy who did have a current and future relationship with Rostow. Since my theory suggests that the assassination may have been planned as a result of John F. Kennedy's change of direction in nuclear talks with the Soviets it seems interesting that the man who suggested the creation of the "Warren" type commission would be selected to continue McCloy's work in the field of Arms Control. Jim Root
  3. Steve and Ron My research has led me to many different areas in search of conspirators involved in the assassination of John F. Kennedy and the whole tale that I have uncovered is rather complicated. The McCloy letter is of interest to me for many reasons, one of which is the date that it was written in comparison to the American University Speech (two days after). There are certain undeniable facts that can here be associated to that particular time in history: 1. Kennedy's speech of June 10, 1963 was a public announcement of a policy change that was not at all accepted by John J. McCloy. In fact McCloy refused to engage the Soviets based upon Kennedy's change of policy and I believe it was Harriman that would negotiate the Limited Test Ban Treaty that came about in August of 1963 based upon this new position. 2. In Kennedy's first press conference upon being sworn in as President he, in the first paragraph, announced the the resumption of American Nuclear testing and introduced John J. McCloy as his chief arms negotiator. 3. In November of 1959 McCloy, at a meeting of the Principle US arms negotiators discussed the international mood that was pressing the State Department to move toward a Limited Test Ban Treaty to be signed at the Paris summit that would take place in May of 1960. It was McCloy's view that this treaty would be detrimental to the security of the United States. 4. The Paris Summit did not take place after the U-2 incident derailed the detente that was moving forward at that time. 5. Lee Harvey Oswald defected to the Soviet Union in October of 1959. 6. Lee Harvey Oswald had been a radar operator who dwelt with U-2 operations and threatened, when he defected to the Soviet Union, to provide information on the U-2 to the Soviets. 7. The passenger list/s for Oswald's flight/s to Helsinki Finland were never provided to the Warren Commission which had as a member John J. McCloy who had cracked the Black Tom case, in part, by making a careful study of the international travel of the primary participants involved in the Black Tom case. 8. Major General Edwin Walker was traveling in Europe at the same time that Oswald was making his mysterious trip to Helsinki 9. Oswald could have gotten to Helsinki by going frome LaHarve to Paris by rail and taking the Paris, Stockholm, Helsinki route. If he would have done so Oswald would have spent less money and arrived in Helsinki one day earlier. 10. On the "extra" travel day where Oswald spent "extra" money, the US Ambassador in Helsinki, John Hickerson, sent a note to the State Department that remained classifiedt till uncovered by the House Select Comm. on Assissinations which state that a traveler could receive a visa into the Soviet Union via the Soviet Embassy in Helsinki within 24 hours if that traveler would first purchase Intourist Vouchers befor applying for their visa. This was the only Soviet Embassy in the world where this could be done and when Oswald showed up at the Soviet Embassy he had already purchased Soviet first class intourist vouchers. 11. G. P. Hemming, whom John Newman in his book "Oswald and the CIA" gives alot of credibility, told me in an email that Walker was in fact part of the insertion team that was used to put Oswald into the Soviet Union. 12. In June of 1959 Richard Helms was meeting with Whitney Shepardson in an effort to collect information about former WWII intelligence assets in and around Helsinki, Finland. This effort led to speculation by Wilho Tikander, former OSS Station Chief (and Dick Helms boss at the time) to speculate that Helms was about to run an off track intelligence operation via Helsinki some time in the near future. When Tikander's speculation was offered it was decided to keep him at arms length from the collection of further information. 13. Whitney Shepardson, along with his associate Dimitri de Mohrenschildt, started Radio Liberty, better known as Radio Free Europe. 14. Dimitri de Mohrenschildt's brother George would befriend Lee Harvey Oswald in Dallas, Texas. 15. Whitney Shepardson was a founder of the Council on Foreign Relations and very close associate of John J. McCloy 16. John J. McCloy, as Asst. Sec. of War during WWII, would be in overall control of the development of US Intelligence including the creation of Secret Intelligence (with Whitney Shepardson in control and Richard Helms a part of). This organization and its fuction during and after WWII are only now having light shed upon it. 17. John J. McCloy was receiving intelligence information directly from John B. Hurt during WWII. This information was, for example, used by McCloy to suggest to President Truman that the Japanese would be willing to surrender to the US without the use of the A-Bomb if the US would agree to keep the Japanese Emperor....a condition or term that we ultimately did accept. 18. Lee Harvey Oswald attempted to contact someone named John Hurt while in custody after the assassiantion of JFK and only hours before he himself was killed. 19. Richard Helms was monitoring the movements of Lee Harvey Oswald prior to the assassiation of JFK 20. The Oswald 201 File is all screwed up! From these fact some speculation based upon fact: 1. Fact: Edwin Walker performed several missions during WWII that John J. McCloy took a particularly keen interest in that included the recovery of the most sophisticated radar machine that the Japanese possesed and the recovery of Nazi Loot from Merker Mine. 2. Walker was positioned to assign the ship Stella Polaris to recover the Finnish Crypto Team that would be the foundation for the Venona Project, one of the most important Cold War Espionage coups of the time. The Venona Project was led by Frank Rowlett and Meridith Gardner who would later be tasked with investigating Lee Harvey Oswald for intelligence contacts. 3. Fact: Both Gardner and Rowlett worked closely with John B. Hurt during WWII. 4. Fact: John B. Hurt's post WWII intelligence work is still classified to this day. 5. Fact: Edwin Walker was repeatedly tasked by General Maxwell Taylor to do some of the most important and sensitive work dealing with National Security, including 2 of the 4 most important issues that Taylor had to deal with as Chief of Staff of the Army during the Eisenhower mission. 6. I speculate that Walker was on a plane with Oswald while he traveled toward Helsinki and would have been the type of trusted person that would have been tasked with making contact with Oswald 7. If true Walker would be one of the few people that would have meet face to face with Oswald and would have recognized him after the assassiation of JFK 8. If true, when Oswald first began his attempt to return to the USA from the Soviet Union a very few people would know that Oswald could identify Walker as the man who had provided the necessary information to enter the Soviet Union 9. If true, the possibility that Oswald, if he provided information that was used by the Soviets to successfully down the U-2 and scuttle the Paris Summit, could identify Walker could compromise US National Security....therefor Walker would have to be discredited, which he was! 10. If Oswald was used by McCloy in the conspiracy to assassinate JFK, Walker may have been the one man that, having met Oswald, could have known exactly who was behind the assassination of JFK and would therefor need to be somehow nutralized. The letter, placed in several easy to find places would be available to be found if Walker somehow decided to blow the whistle on the conspirators. I have more but my computer time just ran out..... Jim Root
  4. John Kennedy's American University Speech on June 10, 1963 was a shift in US policy toward nuclear arms negotiations between the Soviets and the United States. Up until that time John J. McCloy had been John F. Kennedy's chief arms negotiator. McCloy had been the first man Kennedy introduced at his very first press conference shortly after being sworn in as President. McCloy steped asside as Chief Arms negoiator when he disagreed with Kennedy's "new" approach to arms negotiaions in the days preceding the American University Speech. It is my belief that Kennedy's change of policy in nuclear arms discussions was the trigger point that started the ball rolling toward that dreadful day in Dallas. I believe that it was not a coincidence that John J. McCloy would write this letter to Maj. General Edwin Anderson Walker on June 12, 1963 and make sure that it would be placed in several locations that would make it easy to discover. If, as Gerald P. Hemming assured me was true, Walker was a part of the team that assisted Oswald to enter the Soviet Union in October 1959. If true the research that I have done, with the help of others on Oswald's travel from London to Helsinki, would explain why the passenger lists for Oswald's air flights have never seen the light of day.....Walker was traveling at the same time in Europe and I believe that I have proven that they could have been on the same flight for at least one leg of the journey. If the above is true Walker would have recognized Oswald after the assassination and Walker would have known who Oswald was working for. I believe that Walker's actions in the 24 hours following the assasination are consistant with the above scenario. It would have been imparative for any conspirator to nutralize Walker and it is my belief that the letter below was designed to do exactly that. McCloy sent a two page letter to Walker dated June 12, 1963 My dear General: I received through the mail the other day a copy of your resignation from the Association of Graduates of the United States Military Academy, prompted by my selection for the Colonel Thayer Award for this year. You are a graduate of the Academy and for you to resign because a group of graduates duly selected to make an award and did so according to their best judgment, in a manner which resulted in an award to me, seems a rather fantastic expression of your disapproval of what you term "new frontier policy" as contrasted to the traditions of West Point. Whether my selection was deserved or not, I was very much warmed by it. I was in the regular service in World War I, here and in France. I served as The Assistant Secretary of War during World War II. All during this period and since, I have been closely associated with graduates of the Academy and among them are my warmest friends. I am also very familiar with your very fine record in World War II and in Korea and I had been distressed that a leader of your qualifications should have been lost to the service, whatever the reason. I have served the country according to my lights and opportunities, just as you have according to yours. I very much doubt that I have ever been less concerned with the security of the country than you. I was called in form abroad in the Cuban emergency to express my views as to what should be done in regard to the presence of missiles in Cuba. I did so and I think no one misunderstood my position. Thereafter, I was asked to arrange with the Russians for the removal of the missiles. This I did and I also arranged for the removal of the bombers, though they were not part of the original agreement -- both under condidtions far better for the security of the country, in my judgment, than the form of United Nations inspection which was originally contemplated. Apart from this, I have had nothing whatever to do with Cuban policy, either under President Kennedy or General Eisenhhower. I have not been what you term a "New Frontiersman" in the sense that I have been a Republican all my life and I was born in the last century, not this one. All this is written to you not to justify my selection, in any sense, but to urge you to reconsider your resignation from your own Graduate Association on any account with which I am Concerned. I suggest that you tell whomever you want, as vigourously as you care to, that, in your opinion, I do not deserve the Award, but to sever your relations with the Graduates of West Point on this account, though I recognize in the last analysis it is entirely your own business, does seem to me to be a hasty and perhaps ill-advised action. Sincerely, John J. McCloy Major General Edwin A. Walker 4011 Turtle Creek Boulevard Dallas 19, Texas P.S. In the possibility that it might be of some interest to you, I am sending to you herewith a copy of the remarks I made tot he Cadets at the time of Award. Jim Root
  5. Karl I believe it was McCloy who once made the comment that, When it comes to the Constitution of the United States and the security of the United States the Constitution is just another scrap of paper. Paraphrased and not in quotations. Jim Root
  6. But Jim, you didn't answer my question. Have you read Gibson and does his confirmation of some of your suspicions support your research and contentions? BK William No I have not read either the first or the second of Gibson's books on the assassination. They seem very pricey but I will put them on my list. I did take the time to scan the Table of contents and to begin reviewing the on line version and would have to say from first glance that while Dr. Gibson comes to a similar conclucsion as myself he does so from conjecture that follows a different trail than I have traveled. Gibson seems to understand that there were forces in play, especially that put the motorcade in front of the TSBD building but seems vague on the mechanics. Can you help me out here? I am not sure but it seems that he does not name names and seems to skirt the mechanics of how this group of Wall Street Conspirators came together and pulled it off. I believe this is where Gibson and myself may differ the most is in our apporaches that lead to the conclusion that we have, at least in part, in common. For example Gibson seems to introduce Kennedy's first piece of major legislation as the beginings of the Kennedy attack on Wall Street or the status quo. For myself it is Kennedy's first press conference as President where he anounces the resumption of open air nuclear testing and introduces John J. McCloy as his chief arms negotiator, showing a trump card that I believe ultimately leads to his death in the high stakes game of international politics. McCloy, the Wall Street insider ,would fit well with Gibson's theory and my primary, very small, group of potential conspirators would easily, for the most part, be refered to as Wall Street insiders but within my my scenario there seems to be one other major player at the table, General Maxwell Davenport Taylor, not a Wall Street insider by any means. While greed is a powerful motivator and could explain Wall Street involvement in the assassination, it is my belief that the greed associated with power may have been an even stronger motivator. Mixed with the belief of a very few "super patriots" that only they understood the dangerous world that we lived in and who were positioned to not just assassinate a President and get away with it, but may have been the group that were positioned to place Kennedy into the position of President in the first place. And I think that Gibson and I might agree that turning against this powerful group may well have led to the dimise of JFK. Jim Root
  7. I was wondering if Jim Root has seen this? Hi William and Tom The minutes of, I believe, the first Warren Commission meeting provide the information that Gibson seems to have used for his book. When you read the transcript it is amazing how McCloy manipulate the commission into first considering someone other than whom Warren suggested then, as time goes on, how he was able to manuver his own selection into place. My reading of those early meeting minutes suggested, to this reasearcher that McCloy had a lot more power than is generally understood by the public. McCloy first became a potential suspect within my research when I uncovered a letter that he had written to Gen. Walker in June of 1963. I believe that I am the first researcher to have uncovered that particular letter and have now located three different copies stored in three different places....all easily accessible to researchers that would have been looking for it...but none seem to have ever followed my particular avenue or approach to this case. The minutes mentioned above provided a reason to research the relationship between Warren and McCloy further. I was surprised to find that it was a relationship that went back more than 20 years prior to the assassination of JFK. Warren first became associated with McCloy when he was Attn. Gen. of the State of California at the time the relocation of Japanese American's took place shortly after the bombing of Pearl Harbor. There seems to be a good probability that McCloy used his Wall Street influence to raise money for Warren's successful bid for Governor of California and that the influencial Republican McCloy may have been involved in the selection of Warren as the Vice Presidential nominee (next to Wilkie) in the 1948 Presidential election. It also seems to be apparent that McCloy was inovlved in the negotiations with Eisenhower, prior to the 1952 election, to keep Warren out of the Republican primary by promising him the next open seat on the Supreme Court for his support of Eisenhower....as we all know that next seat was for the position of Chief Justice and McCloy seems to have reminded Eisenhower that it would be very unpresidential for him to no keep his promise to Warren (who had no privious experience as a Judge). We then find that Warren followed a social agenda that was very much in line with McCloys beliefs in where he felt the nation should be moving, especially in the area of Civil Rights. My research seems to indicate that McCloy had a great deal of influence over Earl Warren! And that there may be good reason for that..... Jim Root
  8. Well Edwin Walker was able to "fool the American Public" into thinking that it was Oswald who actually shot at him, so I guess that anything is possible. Do you consider yourself part of "the American Public" and do you think that Walker may have in fact pulled the wool over your eyes as well? Just curious. John What I do know for certain is that my research into the life of Maj. Gen. Edwin Anderson Walker has led to what I believe is very fertile ground in the search for a plausible conspiracy theory and has allowed me to focus in on names of those that I believe were very well positioned to successfully carry out the assasination of JFK. In that manner I would have to answer your question with a "NO" because it is my belief by not allowing the Walker story, as told by so many, to not pull the wool over my eyes, I have had the opportunity to dig into areas of research never before entered and have uncovered facts and documents that people in the field of intelligence have reported to me that they had only "an understanding that a document like that existed." I have interviewed numerous historians, to verify my research, and feel that I am on relatively solid ground in the knowledge that I have gained. Does this mean that I could prove my beliefs is a court of law, no I could not. Does it mean that my speculations and the knowledge that I have gained from research into those speculations has led me on a rather curious path....yes it has, oh yes it has! To continued research and the hope of uncovering the real truth, Jim Root
  9. Kathy I will answer your question first with some questions: If the conspirators were so stupid why weren't they caught? You also seem to accept that they "gave" Oswald the rifle. What if they didn't give him the rifle? What if they found a man who had a rifle and they began following his movements after they knew that he had attempted to kill another human being with that rifle (Walker incident and yes the FBI and the CIA's Richard Helms began tracking his movements shortly after this incident)? What if the conspirators were smart enough to know that this man who had aquired a rifle and was willing to use it to kill would be willing to kill the President (Belin note where the CIA forensic Psyco docs say they could have predicted Oswald would kill the President IF they had known that he had shot at Walker)? What if the conspirators could control where the motorcade route would go and could run it past where Oswald was working, would they then need to coverup the fact that they had that information (FBI Agent Hosty's third note, saying exactly where Oswald was working, that was never put into the Warren Commission Record and has never shown up on any CIA docs list although his other two notes do)? My suggestion is that the conspirators, if they existed, were not "stupid" at all. Any group of conspirators that did exist were both successful and able to fool the American Public! Jim Root
  10. Gene I believe that the last 45 years have shown that researchers can identify plenty of groups that may have had a reason to be involved in the assassination of JFK. Yet no one has been able to put together a conspiracy theory that can stand the scrutiny of a majority of all researchers and critics. I do believe that my area of research has taken me into a very different avenue than the mainstream conspiracy researchers..... Without even attempting to rehash the numerous pieces of my puzzle (pieces that seem to create a complete, yet complicated picture) suffice it to say that the conspirators that I beleive may have been responsible for the assassination are the same people that, during WWII, were responsible for convincing the German government and military that the Allied Landings would not take place at Normandy. This particular plan "Fortitude" was complicated but convinced the Germans of an untruth.....It seems to me that the conspirators, if whom I believe they were, would have been capable of convincing the American people of same type of untruths as well! Their ability, and the experience gained in "fooling" the Germans in WWII would have been a necessary ingredient in creating a smoke screen around the assassination of JFK that would keep the actual conspirators hidden. It is my belief that the greatest feat of the conspirators was not the assassination of JFK, that was the easy part, but in making the public believe that it didn't happen the way that it did. By directing the attention away from Oswald they sealed their own success. This was accomplished by making the American public believe that the only way that a conspiracy could be proved was to find a second assassin. Two shooters equal conspiracy has become the mantra of the assassination community. Unfortunatley I have read so many theories about a second shooter in so many different places and so many support people in so many different places each with some specific roll to play up the identity of, or proof of, a second shooter. I once attempted to count the number of people necessary to make the many conspiracy theories work and stopped when the number got so high that the mathematical odds of that many people being in place for so many years to keep the game in play and not making a major mistake is to high to allow for the probability to be possible. Within my theory very few people were necessary and one of them was the first person to question the "magic bullet," the foundation of most conspiracy theories. In doing so this person, John J. McCloy, created the "rules" that the conspiracy community has followed, but in my opinion this was his goal and it secured the success of the conspirators in getting away with the removal of a President that McCloy may well have wanted removed. For months after the Normandy invasion, German troops were held in reserve expecting the real invasion to be launched at the Pais de Calis. Tne Germans were also fooled into keeping over 200,000 troops in Norway believing an invasion of that country to be possible as well. Neither occured, the Germans were deceived and the German's lost the war. For 45 years Americans have searched for a second shooter, they continue to search for a second shooter and the same people who fooled the German's have gone to their graves without ever having been suspected of being behind the assassination of JFK. Perhaps just wild thoughts on my part.....but I have a whole lot of research that has directed me toward these thoughts.... Hope this helps or gives you some food for thought. Jim Root
  11. John Perhaps this will shed some light on who the "source" may have been.. "Missing from Oswald's diary is his extensive interview of November 16 with Priscilla Johnson McMillan, a figure who would play a reoccurring role in shaping the written record of the JFK assassination. Johnson was a veteran traveler to Moscow who returned to the Soviet Union for her fourth time on November 15, 1959. Previously she worked as a translator in the US Embassy but now she was returning to Moscow as a reporter for NANA (North American Newspaper Alliance.) The next day, while picking up her mail from the US Embassy she was tipped off by McVicker to the Oswald's presence in the Metropole Hotel. Coincidentally, Johnson's room was one floor above Oswald's. Perhaps less coincidentally, Johnson had extensive contacts with the CIA and had even applied to the agency for employment in 1952 but withdrew her application before she would have been turned down. She was characterized as "screwball, goofy and mixed-up" in the CIA refusal to grant her security clearance at the time of her application. Nevertheless, on May 6, 1958 the CIA's Soviet Russia Division requested "operational approval" to use Johnson for a CIA operation still classified today. Johnson was also debriefed by the CIA on numerous occasions prior and after her meeting with Lee Harvey Oswald." [John Newman, Oswald and the CIA, pp. 61-67.] The timing seems to be right. Just prior to her departure for Moscow and her immediate introduction to Oswald, if I recall correctly, Priscilla Johnson McMillan went to the offices of Radio Liberty in Paris, which had been ran by Whitney Sheperdsaon and Demitri De Mohrenschildt (brother of George). Jim Root
  12. Good eye Robert Harrod Miller first came to my attention when James Richards saw his picture with William Friedman's team of cryptologists (outside the "Vault") in association with John B. Hurt. Interesting the connections we make on this Forum. I believe I can place Harrod Miller, early in his career with John V. "Frenchy" Grombach who, along with Whitney Shepardson were running SI during WWII (otherwise known as "The Pond"). It does not take much to make the connection to Richard Helms (gee, the man monitoring Oswald before the assassination) to SI as well (I have very good documentation here). I have great documentation of Helms, Shepardson and others meeting in June of 1959 while, it seems, planning a mission that would be going through Helsinki in the near future......conjecture yes, but it is fun to speculate that the old SI boyz, no longer with the CIA, are meeting together with Richard Helms, now with the CIA, gathering information for a mission (that may have been off channel) involving a place, Helsinki, where all these men had contacts and Lee Harvey Oswald would soon appear ready to enter the Soviet Union via the only embassy in the world that could grant him a visa within 24 hours. Back in the states, at the same time these meetings involving Helms are occuring, Oswald is receiving an early discharge, applying for his passport and beginning the journey that would bring him to Helsinki. Coincidence, perhaps but I like the consistancy of the story with everything else that I have gathered. Jim Root
  13. Robert Once again thank you for the kind words. In addition to your fine post I would like to add the names and some events surrounding MG Walker that I feel are of importance within my research. By no means complete it will perhaps provide some researches with a differet pasture from which to graze. Each of these people can be associated to Walker throughout his military career and before his (shat I believe to be a sham) Pro Blue troubles. Gordon Blake, Clifton Carter, Marshal Cartger, Chester Clifton, William Colby, Richard Helms, John Hickerson, John B. Hurt, Thomas Karamessines, John J. McCloy, Gen. t McClure, John M. Sheppard, Maxwell Taylor, Gen. Fredrick Weyland, and Gen Westmorland to name a few. Walker was also involved in Counter Intelligence, The Greek Civil War, Little Rock, Merker Mine, Stella Polaris, Taiwan Straits Crisis, Korean POW exchange, Soviet POW return, Greman POW return, Venona, Development of Special Forces, Communications Interception, Strategic Planning for the Cold War, Army War College, and the capture of the most sophisticated Japanese Radar Station known to exist at the time. Interesting man this Edwin Anderson Walker, not your everyday Right Wing Nut IMO! Jim Root
  14. Tom Nice collection of information. What must be remembered here is until the 40th year release of documents (2004) information about the CIA receiving copies of FBI memos was not known. Thanks to John Newman's book "Oswald and the CIA" and the information obtained from Jane Roman that resulted from this release of information we now know about Hosty's notes making it to the office of Richard Helms. To assume that agents such as Hosty et al would have known how the FBI moved information up the intelligence chain cannot IMO be supported and the discipline handed out at the time was nothing more than a CYA move! In my opinion Oswald was on a CIA "watch list" which is why FBI information about Oswald was forwarded to the CIA. While we may each speculate when that placement was first made it is my suggestion that Oswald was identified and placed on the CIA "watch list" when he wrote his first letter to the Socialist Workers Party. This was done before Oswald enlisted in the Marines! If I am correct all of Oswald's training and movements would have been watched and reported upon. Newman speculates that Oswald's 201 File was tampered with and, at best, mishandled and probably culled for sensitive material. This speculation by Newman seems to support my story. Jim Root
  15. Greg You wrote: "The decision on the parade route was a foregone conclusion since the Host committee was never going to allow the luncheon to be anywhere but the Trade Mart. Look at the connections to the Host committee and see where that leads. Or not." There were at least three different routes that the motorcade could have taken through the downtown to the Trade Mart. The one choosen was the longest and, along the longest route taken, the last building passed was the TSBD where Oswald worked. The motorcade was then to get on the freeway to backtrack to the Trade Mart, which was about half the distance back toward the airport from where the parade had began. I continue to believe that the importance of the MISSING Hosty note is twofold. It proves that people in Washington were aware of where Oswald worked and that that note has now disappeared from histoy. We know it existed, we know it was sent and we know it provided to whoever had acces to it exactly where Oswald was working..........it was only after that note had been sent that a route was established that made the last building to be passed, the TSBD, would be the building where Oswald was working. I must also point out that the Belin note shows that had people known that Oswald had attempted to assassinate General Walker, it could have been predicted that Oswald would kill the President. I have shown the connection to George DeM (who according to Marina Oswald guessed that Lee had attempted to kill Walker by the time he visited the Oswald's on April 11) via his brother Demitri and a group of SI operatives that seem to surround the Kennedy assassination. I mean, Richard Helms, Frank Rowlett, Meredith Gardner, John J. McCloy, Edwin Walker himself, even GP Hemming and his interpen group can be connected. Then a note that we know existed has never shown up on any CIA document list......why the coverup?????? Jim root
  16. Greg Thank you for your reply. "Two roads in the woods diverge" Each person will take their research where their path leads them. It seems for you that "RP and Hosty have some explaning to do." For me it seems that the Warren Commision has "some explaining to do." After all, we find that the Hosty testimony destroys several premisses of the final Warren Commission Report. For example Hosty goes into an articulate and detailed rundown of Oswald's political beliefs while the Warren Commission suggests that Oswald is politically confused. Hosty knows exactly on what date Oswald leaves New Orleans, the Warren Commission suggests the day to be one day later. Hosty provides information that can lead us to conclude that information about where Oswald was working made it to the Office Of Richard Helms in the CIA (the same as we know, in fact, that Hosty's other two notes made it to that office) but to this day nobody seems to be able to locate that note or p[ut any signifigance onto that particular note. Feel free to suggest that the phone number of the Elm St. TSBD may or may not have been in the phone book and what role that would play in this scenario and where that could then lead. For myself and my research it is important to find in the records and material that we have, that the "Big Fish" would need to have access to information that would locate exactly where Oswald was working prior to the final decissions about the motorcade route------- an essential element in proving conspiracy. The Hosty testimony provides that information with the additional caveat that we can also see where McCloy was either not smart enough (which I doubt) to create an Exhibit Number and have produced this Hosty document or we have a clear indication of McCloy actually assuring that that document would, as is the case, never see the light of day! To my simple mind this is much more important than how an FBI Agent was able to find a telephone number that it seems that he clearly did find! Jim Root
  17. I have a few serendipitous comments to make myself, and they are all, in one way or another related to information and analysis that has been posted on this thread..... One of the truly obscure items regarding the U.S. Joint Chiefs of Staff is that while General Lansdale is seen as being a key person by those who believe that the JFK assassination was a conspiracy, J.F.K. himself seemed to warm up to Lansdale, ironically President Kennedy also wanted to, [and did] meet William Harvey who was fighting with everyone on a quicker manner of disposing of Castro. Declassified document that mention William Harvey primarily depos of other persons are emphatic that William Harvey was very frustrated at the slow pace that SGA and Maxwell Taylor went with regards to proceeding with more intensity than the pinprick raids that had taken place until the summer of 1963, and President Kennedy definitely felt the same way. But I definitely feel there is good reason to believe that Harvey was involved in the assassination as well as Lansdale......Regarding Maxwell Taylor, even if he were involved I believe that whatever evidence proving such will not be found in any declassified documents, as they are probably already destroyed. But the last comment of mine is strictly an opinion. Some other interesting comments......Whatever the agenda, Harvey soon found himself mired in two colossal messes: the failed Bay of Pigs operation, and then the bungling attempts by the Kennedy Brothers to overthrow the Castro regime, Operation MONGOOSE. Harvey's own tortured niche was described in hearings of the Church committee in 1976: an attempt to use the Chicago gangster Johnny Rosselli to assassinate Castro. This plot, among many others, failed. (The best MONGOOSE read I've encountered is Don Bohning's "The Castro Obsession.") The last item alone had earmarks of a career-ender. But more painful to Harvey, a veteran field man, was the attempt by Attorney General Robert F. Kennedy to act as grand marshal of MONGOOSE, despite his utter ignorance of covert activities. Old-timers dined out for years on stories of the verbal clashes between the young Kennedy and the rough-hewn Harvey. Dave Murphy, Harvey's long-time colleague in the Berlin Operations Base, quoted his friend as calling the younger Kennedy and his aides "Fifth Avenue cowboys." Months of bitterness climaxed in October 1962. A MONGOOSE colleague related to Stockton several exchanges in October 1962 -- the day of Harvey's final fall from grace -- in the White House, as the missile crisis simmered. Whether both Kennedys were present, or the attorney general alone, is disputed. But the remarks seem an accurate rendition of Harvey's anger: "We heard that Bobby said to Harvey, 'I could train agents at my house in Virginia!' . . . Harvey retorted, 'as baby-sitters?'" Harvey was incensed to learn that Bob Kennedy ordered three boats of operatives already enroute to Cuba be recalled. Harvey's view was that they could add valuable intelligence on the Soviet missile sites. Robert.......While Harvey may have really felt that way, JFK and Bobby certainly had cause to worry about how ALPHA-66, the CRC, JMWAVE operatives and Interpen's actions against Cuba could effect what the "Soviets might do in Berlin," a fact that was seemingly of little or no interest to Kennedy's ideological enemies And, as was previously written on this thread, while LBJ's rhetoric about a nuclear exchange causing 30 to 40 million casualties, may seem hollow with 45 years of retrospect, that wouldn't have been the case, then or now if there had been a real life version of Seven Day's In May. Nevertheless, and more to the point, this post concerns something that has not been covered on this thread and that is in relation to the CIA people responsible for Western Hemisphere Station Operations out of Mexico City....... At what could be considered the nexus of the KGB/CIA interactions prior to the assassination, you will find the acronyms TUMBLEWEED, which was a FBI acronym, if I am not mistaken and AEBURBLE. John Newman [Oswald and the CIA] certainly is an authority on this area, and in one of his presentations on the OSWALD/CIA book he, at one point mentioned AE/DURBILL as a new acronym. Someone at maryferrell.org posted on the comments section a correction of sorts stating, in effect, that it was really AE/BURBLE and accoring to more than one document, AE BURBLE was someone named Guenther Schulz, although personally I believe it will be proven that the name is actually Guenther Schultz...... Guenther Schulz, is a name that everyone interested in nailing down the rest of the story of 1963, should, at a minimum be aware of, if not trying to ascertain what his job description was, as well as what his title was . I would suggest possibilities as to variants of his name, and the use of a ü instead of the generic u....... See http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...o?startIndex=60 Also there is more on this issue here. more here The day after the assassination of President Kennedy document 104-10419-10021 noted the following information “Bagley stated that he wished to point out that Kostikov, known KGB agent is the same person who was been in touch with the bureau double-agent Guenther Schulz in the case referred to as TUMBLEWEED provided by Guenther Schulz who is being operated by us against the Soviets." http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=235964 Robert One of the lead negotiators in the Cuban Missle affair was John J. McCloy and part of McCloy's displeasure with Kennedy after the successful negotiations with the Soviets was that Kennedy did not use that time to complete a Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, instead settleing for a Limited Test Ban Treaty. I have read that part of the negotiations with the Soviets included a guarentee of security to Castro's Cuba, i.e. no invasion. The continuation and control of MONGOOSED given to Robert Kennedy could have been interpreted by McCloy as a violation of the agreement that had been reached with the Soviets. McCloy had been involved for since before the end of WWII in a "special arrangement" with the Soviets to insure that the world would never engage in a WWIII or nuclear holocaust. I might suggest that a violation of this singular arrangement may have set the course/ball moving toward the elimination of Kennedy. June 1963! Jim Root
  18. Greg The answer to your question is in the Hosty testimony: "Mr. HOSTY. On Monday morning, I made a pretext telephone call to the Texas School Book Depository, I called up and asked for the personnel department, asked if a Lee Oswald was employed there. They said yes, he was. I said what address does he show? They said 2515 West Fifth Street, Irving, Tex., which I knew not to be his correct address. I then sent a communication, airmail communication to the New Orleans office advising them--and to the headquarters of the FBI advising them--and then instructing the New Orleans office to make the Dallas office the office of origin. We were now assuming control, because he had now been verified in our division." Hosty did verify where Oswald was working by calling the TSBD and speaking with the "personnel department." Hosty then sent this information on to Washington and it is this note that is missing! This is not rocket science! Prior to the final determination of the designation of the motorcade route person/s in Washington were privy to exactly where Lee Harvey Oswald was working. The Warren Commissioners were aware of this information and questioned Hosty about it extensively making it very clear that this third note was sent and that Oswald's place of employment was known. Those same Commissioners then FAILED to make this Hosty note a Commission Exhibit although they did make (CE430) the floor plan of the house where RP lived and where Hosty parked when he gathered this information a Commission exhibit. This is either an example of gross negligence on the part of the Commissioners or an intentional attempt to make sure that the Hosty note number three would never be examined and it would never be known who had viewed this information. While many people go to great lengths to speculate on how Oswald got his job at the TSBD and who (of those who may have had a hand, seen or unseen in Oswald's successful job search) therefore was involved in the conspiracy (opening doors to a myriad of potential conspirators) we have here an example of how the information about Oswald's work location was obtained and forwarded to person/s in the highest echelons of the intelligence community and how that information was not only not followed up on but was actually kept out of the official record, as far as the assignment of a Commission Exhibit Number and the production of the document for the record. We also know that to this day the CIA has never admitted that a copy of this Hosty note was received although we have proof positive that Hosty's previous two notes were received into the office of Richard Helms at the CIA. If you accept the possibility of Oswald being a shooter or being nothing more than a Patsy a requirement of any conspiracy theory IS pre knowledge of where Oswald was working. We have proof positive that this information was available to potential conspirators within th egovernment and we have proof positive that the (or certain) Warren Commissioners FAILED to insure that this infomation was properly followed up on, evaluated or preserved within the record! I submit that while most conspiracy buffs want to prove that Oswald was not a shooter in order to prove conspiracy that perhaps something as simple as this item within the record could go along way toward doing the same thing without much controversy......because what occured in this instance is proveable beyond a doubt! Jim Root
  19. William Nice try. Clearly not the one since it references November 5, 1963 and the third note in question was sent on November 4, 1963. Don't you find it strange that both Dulles and McCloy, both trained attorneys, trained in spycraft and trained in political intrique, would miss an opportunity to access a message that provided the exact location of where Oswald was working (a building which would become the final building passed along the motorcade route before backtracking to the Trade Mart lucheon) and would show exactly who had had access to that same message. I will suggest right here, once again, this IS the coverup!!!!! Jim Root
  20. In attempting to answer a William Kelly question about James Patrick Hosty I ran accross this quote in his testimony: "Mr. HOSTY. On October 3, 1963, I received a communication from our New Orleans office advising that Lee Oswald and his wife Marina Oswald had left the New Orleans area a short time before. According to the communication, Marina Oswald, who was at that time 8 months pregnant, had left New Orleans with her small child, 2-year-old child, in a station wagon with a Texas license plate driven by a woman who could speak the Russian language. Lee Oswald had remained behind and then disappeared the next day. I was requested to attempt to locate Lee and Marina Oswald." This would suggest that the FBI was clearly aware that Oswald had left New Orleans on September 24, 1963 not as the Warren Commission Report implies that Oswald could not have left before September 25th. Was there an attempt to discredit the Odio testimony? Why would that be necessary? I can suggest some answers that are consistant with each area (Flight from London to Helsinki, Hosty's 3rd note, Raleigh Call) of information left out of the Warren Commission Report. Jim Root
  21. William http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hosty.htm Testimony Of James Patrick Hosty, Jr. Some of the interesting aspects when discussing Hosty's third note: "Mr. STERN. It is true, isn't it, that some of this information had already been---- Mr. HOSTY. Transmitted in letter form to New Orleans; right. Mr. DULLES. Prior to the assassination? Mr. HOSTY. Prior to the assassination; yes, sir. Representative FORD. That part on the second page? Mr. HOSTY. Right; this second paragraph starting, "On November 1, 1963, Mrs. Ruth Paine" Representative FORD. What did you do, dictate that to a stenographer? Mr. HOSTY. Right. Representative FORD. And she typed it and it was sent officially? Mr. HOSTY. On the 4th of November, right, airmail letter to New Orleans. Mr. STERN. Would that be sent to your headquarters in Washington? Mr. HOSTY. Also. Excuse me, the original goes to headquarters in Washington, a copy goes to New Orleans. It is addressed to the headquarters. Mr. STERN. But the only information sent was the information in that paragraph beginning "On November 1, 1963." Mr. McCLOY. But you had your original notes with you? Mr. HOSTY. Right. Mr. McCLOY. And still intact? Mr. HOSTY. Right. Mr. McCLOY. At the time you put this---- Mr. HOSTY. Because I knew I was going to get this into a report. The next report was written, and I would put it in a report form and destroy the notes. Mr. DULLES. Do we have a copy of that letter of November 4? Mr. HOSTY. I don't know. Mr. DULLES. That you sent to headquarters and to New Orleans? (Discussion off the record.) Mr. STERN. You tell us you have reviewed these two pages? Mr. HOSTY. Yes. Mr. STERN. Is there anything you would like to add? Mr. HOSTY. No, sir. Mr. STERN. Anything you would like to correct? Mr. HOSTY. No, sir. Mr. STERN. This accurately states the interviews that you covered. May this be admitted in the record? The CHAIRMAN. It may be admitted, No. 830." In this segment you see that Dulles jumps in and wants to know if if the Commission has a copy of this third note. The Commission then "goes off the record" changes the subject and no Exhibit Number or request for a copy of this important note is made! Once again we find: "Mr. HOSTY. Let me see. Part of it would have, this paragraph on page 11, this November 1, Mrs. Ruth Paine was interviewed. This appeared in the communication I sent out to the New Orleans office advising them where he (Oswald)was employed. Mr. DULLES. When was that sent? Mr. HOSTY. The 4th of November, sir. The rest of it was in note form. I hadn't reduced it to writing yet." And: "Mr. STERN. Now, tell us in detail of your interview with Mrs. Paine starting from the time you rang the doorbell. Mr. HOSTY. All right. As I say, when I entered the house I immediately identified myself. I showed her my credentials, identified myself as a special agent of the FBI, and requested to talk to her. She invited me into the house. Mr. STERN. Did she seemed surprised at your visit? Mr. HOSTY. No, she didn't. She was quite friendly and invited me in, said this is the first time she had ever met an FBI agent. Very cordial. As I say, it is my recollection I sat here on the couch and she sat across the room from me. I then told her the purpose of my visit, that I was interested in locating the whereabouts of Lee Oswald. She readily admitted that Mrs. Marina Oswald and Lee Oswald's two children were staying with her. She said that Lee Oswald was living somewhere in Dallas. She didn't know where. She said it was in the Oak Cliff area but she didn't have his address. I asked her if she knew where he worked. After a moment's hesitation, she told me that he worked at the Texas School Book Depository near the downtown area of Dallas. She didn't have the exact address, and it is my recollection that we went to the phone book and looked it up, found it to be 411 Elm Street. Mr. STERN. You looked it up while you were there? Mr. HOSTY. Yes; that is my recollection that we looked it up in her telephone book to show it at 411 Elm Street, Dallas, Tex. She told me at this time that she did not know where he was living, but she thought she could find out and she would let me know. " Was Washington always made aware of the infromation: "Mr. DULLES. Just one question. Are cases of this kind administratively transferred by agreement between two offices, or does that have to go up to Washington? Mr. HOSTY. Washington always gets a copy of these communications. They know what we are doing. Actually the original is sent to Washington, and a carbon is sent to the other field office. Mr. DULLES. But you can transfer it directly from one office to another? Mr. HOSTY. Right. Mr. DULLES. And just notify Washington as to the Possibility of its being transferred? Mr. HOSTY. Right; because he is now residing and employed in our division. There is no more needs to be done. Mr. DULLES. I am clear. Thank you very much." Hope this helps Jim Root
  22. Trying to bring this back on track some thoughts from Vincent Bugliosi: "I would come to believe after the London trial that the very remote possibility of anti-Castro Cuban exiles being involved with Oswald in the assassination, even if in the most tangential of ways, was the only conspiracy possibility in the entire case that had any merit." Reclaiming History Pg 1335 "...I feel that the slight preponderance of evidence is that Oswald was, in fact, the American among the three men who visited Odio. I say that for several reasons. One is that there is, as trial lawyers like to say, that unmistakable 'ring of truth' to Odio's tetimony." Reclaiming History Pg 1309 "Although we have seen that the evidence of time and place compels the conclusion that Oswald could not have visited Odio on September 26 or 27, 1963, and most probably did not do so on September 25, there nevertheless are countervailing reasons why we cannot automatically dismiss Odio's allegations---namely, her credibility and corroborating evidence." Reclaiming History Pg 1307 "The HSCA, after a thorough evaluation of all the evidence, stated that 'the committee was inclined to believe Sylvia Odio' to the extent that 'three men did visit her apartment in Dallas prior to the Kennedy assassination and identified themselves as members of an anti-Castro organization,' and that 'one of these men at least looked like Lee harvey Oswald and was introduced to Mrs. Odio as Leon Oswald." Reclaiming History Pg 1308 "The likelihood is that the event Odio described did, in fact, take place, most probably on the evening of September 24 or 25, 1963. In an April 28, 1964, letter to J. Edgar Hoover, Rankin, general counsel for the Warren Commission, wrote that 'the only time (oswald) could have been in odio's apartment appears to be the nights of September 24 or 25, 1963, most likely the latter.' "With respect to September 24, teh Warrren Commission concluded that t'under normal procedue' Oswald could not have received his Tesas unemployment compensation check in New Orleans, which was dated and mailed on Monday, September 23, 1963, before 5:00 am on September 25, 1963, a Wednesday. However, marina told the FBI that Oswald received his unemployment check ever Tuesday. In fact, the Warren Commission itself sadi that Oswald cashed the previous week's check at the Dixie Store in New Orleans on Tuesday, September 17, 1963. If, then, Oswald had received his next check on Tuesday, September 24, it's possible he cashed it at the Winn-Dixie Store between 8:00 am and 1:00 pm on that day, not, as believed, the following day, Wednesday, September 25." Reclaiming History Pg 1310 "In fact, Marina told the Warren Commission that Oswald told her he intended to leave New Orleans the very next day after her departure on September 23, 2963, that is, September 24." Reclaiming History Pg 1311 "This September 24, 1963, scenario would also be compatible with Mrs. Twiford's belief that she sensed Oswald was calling her 'from the Houston area,' somewhere 'between seven and ten o'clock' in the evening. (If Oswald and teh Cubans were at odio's door on September 25, however, since the incident took place at 9:00 pm in Dallas, he could not have called Twiford fromt eh Houston area that evening)." Reclaiming History Pg 1311 "Since the weight of the evidence in the Odio case is that the event Odio described did, in fact, take place, the countervailing evidence prompting the inference that her story is not believable should yield. it yeilds in this case, in my view, by accepting the probability that the seemingly airtight case the Warren Commission fairly and effectively constructed against Odio's story is somewhere defective, be it in teh documentary evidence (e.g. as to the earliest time oswald could have received his unemployment check in New Orleans) or the recollection of witnesses as to the dates and times they saw or spoke to Oswald (e.g. the affidavit of Mr. and Mrs. Mcfarland and Mrs. Twiford, etc) which would not be uncommon at all." Reclaiming History Pg 1311 "The very absence of any witness or record that oswald used commercial transportation out of New Orleans is itself at least some circumstantial evidence that he did not do so and goes in the direction of supporting the conclusion that Oswald left New Orleans with the two Latins, and was at Odio's door on teh evening of September 24 or 25, 1963." Reclaiming History Pg 1312 "Among others, Wesley Liebler, who examined her for the Warren Commission, said, 'I think Odio believes that Oswald was there. I do not think she would lie about something like that.' Assistant Counsel W. David Slawson, whose area of investigation for the Warren Commission was the psooibility of a conspiracy in the assassination, wrote in his report to the Commission that, 'Mrs. Odio has been checked out thoroughly through her psychiatrist and friends, and, with one exception - a layman not identified who speculates that she may have subconcious tendencies to over-dramitize or exaggerate-the evidence is unanimously favorable, both as to her character and reliability and as to her intelligence.'....a Warren Commission staff reprt noted that 'Doctor Burton Einspruch(Odio's psychiatrist) stated thathe had great faith in Miss odio's stroy of having met Lee Harvey Oswald,' believing the story to be 'completely true." Reclaiming History Pg. 1307 And finally "...W. David Slawson and William Coleman, assistant counsels for the Warren Commission whose area of investigation was foreign conspiracy...In a June 1964 memorandum to the Commission titled 'Oswald's Foreign Activities: summary of Evidence Which Might Be Said to Show That Ther Was Foreign Involvement in the Assassination of President Kennedy,' they postulated a scenario that might consitute a conspiracy in a low school examination, but might fall short of a chargeable conspiracy in the real world. They wrote that anti-Castro Cubans in New Orleans. aware of Oswald's pro-Castro sympathies, and realizing that if anything happened the public at large would also learn of them, and perhaps sensing Oswald's prechant for violence, 'encouraged' Oswald to kill the predident when he came to Dallas, perhaps even deceiving him into believing thaey misgh assist him afterward in his excape." Reclaiming History Pg. 1315 In my story someone had to have given Oswald a telephone number in Raliegh, North Carolina. Oswald himself told his brother that he had "friends." I was surprised to find that two assisstant counsels for the Warren Commission could suggest that which I believe to be the case. If as some believe, Hemming, Collins, Torres, et al were involved in the Odio case, then it would be intelligence cells closely linked to the same group that I have suggested may have conspired to kill Kenndy. Did these men provide Oswald with a phone number in Raliegh, NC and did they suggest he ask for John Hurt? If so I can once again tighten my noose. Jim Root
  23. Hi Antti Walker was traveling by plane into Shreveport, LA at the time of the assassination. Apparently he announced who he was to the passengers and had the pilot sign his ticket after the annoucnement of the assassination had been made. Walker would stay at the the Captain Shreve Hotel where, at 7:00am the following morning he would conduct the first of two interviews with a German publication that would break the Oswald/Wallker shooting story. Jim Root
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